Why Do We Keep Blaming Guns Instead of Mental Health and Data?

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Steven targets the "family unit" and data blind spots in a stock-market

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style exchange and Dave and Jerremy wonder

where's our "missing manual" for life?

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Why would we expect connection in a world

that treats soft skills as optional.

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Jerremy: At the very, very beginning

of this, the very onset of this,

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the earliest stages of all of the

tracking, of all the data, of all the

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theories, we need to start working

on the awareness of it in school, the

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open conversation of it in school.

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We need to find ways to address as

early as possible the loneliness,

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the isolation that is going to

continue to happen in this country.

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With social media, with technology, we

need to embrace and start changing the

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dynamic of how kids are communicating

and having conversations in class.

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Those are gonna be the big components

they're gonna have to change in order

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for the gun control issue to change.

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Because as Steven said, it's not an if or

this, it's not a that or this, but what

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we, everyone always agrees on all the time

is that the education system is flawed and

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broken and old and needs to be updated.

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It, and it needs to be, and it needs

to be updated for where we're going

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in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years.

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Because this country's not going away.

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America's never going away.

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Are never gonna, guns

are never going away.

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what is gonna change is, and what

hasn't changed is how teachers

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and students are interacting with

themselves on the majority scale.

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And that's the thing that's gonna have

to be updated so that kids, parents,

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conversations, discussions, beliefs are

not only shifting and changing, but are

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being updated and being tweaked and being

altered so that we can have a bigger,

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prosperous, more illustrious future.

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Dave: Look I agree with all of that.

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I'm still stuck on the

amount of data, the amount of

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surveillance, the amount of time.

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Look, three planes are flown into

three buildings and $11 trillion

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and seven broken countries, and

25 years later with millions dead.

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And I'm telling you now,

I don't feel any safer.

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We're talking about turning

this eye of sore on.

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Onto, our kids and Americans.

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And I'm like as much as we're trying

to solve the, make things better, and

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the quote unquote, good of this is

like anytime that we put time, money,

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and energy towards something, that's

also an opportunity for people to be

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manipulated, people to be I dunno, I'm

feeling a little tinfoil hat, but like

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I, and maybe a little libertarianism is

is rubbing into me, but I'm, like I, I

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keep on seeing example after example.

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The older I get is that maybe we

need to live with some of this

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rather than try and solve everything.

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Steven Orr: Oh, I will never live with it.

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Dave, I'll tell you what's interesting

is, and I think that's why we have to

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be loud and proud about this stuff.

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So many people will say,

don't talk about gun violence.

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Don't talk about it 'cause you

don't as a CEO of a company.

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But, it's interesting you talk about

nine 11, but had we just stopped

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those pilots that wanted to learn

and down in Marathon, Florida, all

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they wanted to learn was how to fly.

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They didn't care about

how to land the plane.

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That

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should have been red flags, right?

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That could have stopped

at right then and there.

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Over it'd been done.

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We would've had nine 11, but the world

would've been different place than

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today, than it ever would've been.

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But we didn't.

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It was it's never one thing

that causes the problem.

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It's a myriad of things and

it's a cascading of things.

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And it was when it spirals out of control.

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And right now we're at a

point where we have to.

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The fact that we even have to

have a podcast to talk about

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this tells you where we are as a

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country, right?

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And to me, that's great.

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And if we have to, it's great

and let's get it done right?

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And let's just solve this problem.

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Let's get Jerremy elected president

of the United States, right?

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But when you look at this, these

problems, all of these triggers that

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we knew could have been stopped,

nine 11 would never happened.

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It never would've happened had we

had just said, oh, wait a minute.

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These guys didn't wanna

learn how to land the plane.

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And the guys that taught them how to

taught them a marathon, I guarantee

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I'm saying, I bet you some of those

had guns, so guns didn't stop them.

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When I look at the next level of

the future, how we're getting there

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with the AI and how we interact

with each other social media side.

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Social media's changed

over the last 20 years.

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It used to be where most people

don't know this, but Facebook was

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actually built outta bullying.

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Mark Zuckerberg literally built Facebook

because he was tired of being bullied by

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girls who didn't want rejected him because

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of not dating.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Steven Orr: The very bottom of the heart

of the guy who's writing the code for

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the world of how we handle Instagram

and social media, that's a trigger.

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Now today, he's happily married

with beautiful, kids and a good

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life, and that's great, but

that's why he built it right.

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And what it grew out of that, the

social media side of all of this,

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and I'm very proud of Mark Zuckerberg

and I'm very proud of things.

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But we're living in the future of Elon

Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos

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because they're the ones riding the coat.

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The ones with consciousness and really

wanna make a better place for America,

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should be the ones writing the code

should be one that writing in the future.

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And right now it seems that it's

narcissistic, that's controlling

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the narrative of what's being

built and what's being controlled.

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And our social media is literally

being controlled by narcissists.

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Look at Fox Business,

look at homes It, right?

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They've changed over

the la over the course.

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Look at the narcissism of people

in general who are building things.

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And I'm not scared to

say all of this, right?

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I think it's, we need to understand

the root of the cause of problems.

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So when you look at the next level of

all of this, look at the social media.

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Are we putting on those

guardrails that need to happen?

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If someone says, trigger words,

are we putting on the guardrails?

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If someone says something in behind

the scenes that shouldn't be saying,

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Hey, they're gonna blow something

up, or they're gonna do something,

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we should take them seriously.

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Because if we don't, then it's

on us as good people saying,

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Hey, wait a minute, this guy said

he wants to blow up the school.

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So we need to think about what

he said and why did he say it.

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He may not he, he may be blustered

just talking, but we don't know that.

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So let's find out and then

stop that before it happens.

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And guess what?

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Then there wouldn't be a school shooting.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Thank you Steven.

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So you're gonna love this round

questions, 10 words or less answers,

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and they all have a stock market

theme under them, because why not?

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That's how you and I create our money,

and, it's fun and it's exciting.

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All right?

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Buy or sell the idea that

more guns equals less crime.

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Steven Orr: sell?

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Jerremy: What is the number one about

guns in America That everyone gets wrong?

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Steven Orr: That guns kill people.

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Not people kill people.

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Jerremy: Love it.

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What is the most undervalued solution

that nobody is talking about?

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Steven Orr: Family unit,

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Jerremy: There we go.

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And if you could force every member

of Congress to watch one video or

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read one chart, what would it be?

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Steven Orr: Palantir, because that

chart is telling the world where

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we're going that data is important

and how we're using that data.

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Jerremy: Very nice, Steven, big

B, or it's always a pleasure, man.

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Thank you for being so diligent and for

caring and for showing up in a large way.

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And thank you always

for your support in me.

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And thank you for reaching out on the

phone and talking to me relatively

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frequently and just being an incredible

leader in the industry, being a great

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husband, being a great community member,

being someone who cares not only about

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politics, but the blending of politics

into the community, into the people around

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you, into the online social stratosphere.

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You are a force for good, sir.

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Thank you for your time.

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Steven Orr: I appreciate all those

kind words, Jerremy and Dave.

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And when I look at my own self as time,

I always go back to one statement.

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It takes a village to raise.

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We have to understand that

we're not alone in this world.

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And that every action and reaction

that we create is also a positive

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or negative for the world.

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A day doesn't go by, that's.

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Someone thanks me for mentoring them and

I didn't even know that I mentored them.

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And sometimes we don't always

see what our actions do.

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And so when I look at other people

around the world, it's your actions that,

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that define you, not just your words.

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Jerremy: Yes.

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Thank you so much, Steven.

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I'm sure we will have you

back to get in the future.

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You rock.

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Steven Orr: Thanks guys.

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Jerremy: All right.

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DC Dave Conley, we had

a returning guest on.

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We Love some Steven.

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We love all of our guests.

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We love all of our guests.

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First, returning guest.

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Dave, what did you learn in that

discussion with Steve Big B or.

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Dave: I think with, Steven is, he's so

wicked smart and I feel like whenever

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we hit up one of these hard issues.

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And there's a lot of energy around it.

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And I think there is a lot

of like sides on this one.

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There's a left to, there's a right,

there's a take all the guns, there's,

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my rights, there's tyranny, like people

will throw around a lot of words and.

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When you drain all that energy out of it

and be like, Hey, this is what's going on.

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And I think we started this with that.

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It's look, a lot of this gun violence is,

almost all of it is men and young boys.

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All of this is suicides and happening in

urban settings and poors, poor people.

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Like as soon as we start saying, this

is where we need to put our political

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energy, and oh, by the way, we are not

putting any political energy on it.

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We're not talking about gun violence

at all, and it is an epidemic.

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So I, I think when you get somebody

like Stephen here, what I learn

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is that people do wanna have smart

conversations and people, do have great

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solutions, and they're just right there.

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And we just have to drain a little

bit of the emotion out of things,

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which I think is everywhere.

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Like the keyboard warriors are everywhere.

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As soon as we start talking about

things, then people are like,

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yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah, we could do that.

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Yeah, that's possible.

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Like we, we get back into the realm

of possibility again, and that's what

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I learned from Steven every time.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah, man.

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Having those big, fun, cool,

powerful conversations.

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What I learned, number

one, was that you have a.

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Gun toting Second Amendment man,

who's yeah, I think there should

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be some additional laws around gun

ownership, and I'm okay with it.

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I think it makes sense because

I'm willing to concede those the

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obligations for what I want to do.

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I'm okay to concede certain.

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What you, what some people could

call infringement of freedoms into,

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alright, for the greater safety and

for to make other people feel safe.

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I'm down for that.

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And what all of that means is,

Hey, my name is Jerremy Newsom

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and I can't drive or semi-truck.

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Why can't I drive a semi-truck?

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There's more rights that come with it.

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Why?

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Why do more rights come with a semi-truck?

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They're larger.

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They're fa they're not faster, but they

are much more powerful and they can

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potentially cause a lot more damage.

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A semi jackknifes in a, on an interstate.

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Runs over 15 cars versus just

two or three, and now the entire

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interstate is backed up for

hours causing a whole impediment.

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Why can't I drive this in my truck

without a commercial driver's license?

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That's why they're, they have

more perpetual motion ultimately.

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Okay.

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So we can do and implement

the exact same thing with.

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AR fifteens with semi-automatics

with these huge submachine guns.

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I have.

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I recently went to a gun range,

but it was out in the middle of

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absolutely nowhere in Nevada.

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It's two hour drive from my house,

an hour through the desert, and

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we shot these huge, incredible,

like 50 cow, like it was amazing.

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But the facility, has licenses.

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Business licenses.

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I went through and I asked

the owner like, what type of

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like restrictions do you have?

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And you're like, oh man, they're

in, they're incredible restrictions.

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They're awesome.

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Like he was very ha he was excited

about how difficult it was in a way

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to run his business because he goes,

no one in their right mind should have

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an arsenal like I have personally.

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There's no need for it, right?

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We I'm here to create entertainment.

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Like he was very aware.

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Of what he creates and what he's doing.

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He has a tank, he has

a flame thrower, right?

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And there's so many restrictions

that he goes through and so many

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forms he fills out on the regular.

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And he also says he's very careful

what he has to say on social media.

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He's very aware of what he has

to post and things of that nature

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because he has so much weapons on him.

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The aspect that Steven brought up to.

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That I also really understood

to be relevant was, again, just

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some type of update, some type

of check, some type of wellness.

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Hey, every 10 years someone's life

is gonna change dramatically, right?

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You got fired, you got promoted,

you got divorced, you got

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remarried, you had a kid, you had

two kids, 10 kids, eight kids.

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You have, you want, what's your.

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Lifelike 10 years later, and to get a no,

a new gun license, you just have to simply

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pop in and let's do a wellness check.

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Let's have a conversation.

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So these are these discussions that kind

of go back and forth as saying, Hey,

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those who want more control, who want more

yeah, who want more laws and restrictions

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around guns, we will give those to you.

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Do I actually think

that's going to decrease?

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One V one gun violence and or public MA

or masculine shootings, I don't think that

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those small, tiny changes are going to

impact the bottom line, and that is what

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Steven was really just nodding against

head about when I started discussing.

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What I have always felt is

probably gonna be the main

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root issue of almost any major.

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Problem in this country that

affects humans directly is

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the educational component.

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And as I started going through

the discussion, and I always have

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where the more we realize that

the future is rapidly changing.

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And it's never going away.

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Once we get something as a country

it doesn't just oh, sorry, I forgot

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that we shouldn't have done that.

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We shouldn't have given you social media.

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We shouldn't have given you the internet.

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It isolates people.

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It bullies people, okay?

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That's not ever changing.

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Call of Duty is never going away.

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These are the, these are things that

are just aren't going to happen.

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We're not gonna take away movies,

and we're not gonna take away

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things that individuals can watch.

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Now what we can do is require parents

to be a part of school systems.

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Not a lot, Dave, not all the

time, but require mom and dad to

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show up, require children to go

through meditation practices and

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conversations of discussions.

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Heart openings, deliberations, discussions

of who is right, who is wrong, why

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create tension, create turmoil, create

animosity, create this tension in a

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classroom, and then show children how to.

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Settle into the tension, how to release

the tension, how f to have it all.

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Okay.

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Where you can still have disagreements

and it's absolutely fine to have

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a disagreement and still love

someone else Wholeheartedly.

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How you've been married.

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I'm married.

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How many times did you look

at your spouse and go, I whoa.

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We ha we have tension right now.

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And now we get to have a conversation.

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And I'm not gonna physically alter

have an altercation of any kind.

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We're going to discuss,

we're going to have this deep

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embodiment of love and protection.

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And you know what, dude, that

took me a long time to self-learn.

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It did.

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But these are the changes that can

easily be made because there's certain

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things that are never going to go away

in this country, and guns is one of them.

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Guns is are never going to go away, ever.

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And we can have certain restrictions and

we can give the party that really feels

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like, yes, that's what we need to do.

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But what the data shows is not that.

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The data shows that very clearly as the

majority of the deaths are coming from.

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A very certain select population, and

that generally is because of veterans,

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and that is generally because this

country is a war bound world policing.

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Monolith that just wants to have all

the oil imaginable for ourselves.

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And it is evident to me that both the

NRA and the VA are 100% failing their

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core customer, their core population

that they are focusing on, that they're

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trying to uncover, they're trying to help.

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'cause it is a money grab.

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It is wildly inefficient.

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And those, in my personal opinion,

would create much more impactful change.

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That's what I learned.

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Dave: I'm a hundred

percent with you on this.

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I I feel like the one thing that we

know would work, we're doing none of,

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and that is like having the equivalent

of health class, like having mental

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wellbeing not only for yourself but also.

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For others around you.

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And I don't know if it's touchy

or what, like I know when we

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were talking to teachers they

were like, no, man, increasingly.

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Those things, just having recess or

having art class or having, any of

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those extracurriculars, like they're

treated as optional, and I think

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we're, at least I'm saying that.

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Yeah.

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For gun owners, I'm with

you a hundred percent.

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There needs to be heavy

duty education going on.

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You know the laws of these things.

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When to use a gun, how to use a gun.

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It's not just going to the range

and learning how to shoot it.

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It's also the responsibility

that goes with it.

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Along with that, recognizing both

for you and for gun owners in your

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life when they are struggling.

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When I unexpectedly lost my wife after 13

years of marriage, and like one day she

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was there and the next day, she was gone.

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I had the wherewithal and also

people around me and my friends and

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family were like, okay we're taking.

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We're taking all the

alcohol out of your house.

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And I'm like, okay, great.

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And we're gonna make sure that, you don't,

spiral into, something really bad here.

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So we're gonna, there's a, there

was a rally around me, which, it.

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It took some time because, something

tragic and crazy had happened, but

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I had smart people around me, and

I don't think everybody has that.

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And I think increasingly, like

we are in a, a fractured society

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that, that these are, problematic.

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So going back and teaching people

from a very young age be like,

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okay, these are some things that

you know are your responsibility as,

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a human being in your human body.

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Not only for yourself, but also for

the people around you to be like, these

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are things you gotta watch out for.

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And.

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And teaching that,

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Jerremy: yep.

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Dave: just having meditation, but

it's also Hey, there's a social aspect

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aspect

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Jerremy: Yes, dude.

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Dave: of living that is just gone.

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And we're not asking the

government to be a nanny here.

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We're just saying live in society.

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There, there is hey the, we don't

get a manual when we are born.

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There is no, there is.

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There's no book that we get and

it's you pop out and you're like,

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okay here's how human works.

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No, we are, we're just expected

to know and we don't have that.

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Like I think there's, that manual

is missing and that's something

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that we need to put back in people's

hands to be like, Hey, there,

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this is what this is all about.

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Jerremy: Beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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You're, yeah, exactly.

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Always.

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You always just drop mics.

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Dave,

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mic dropping machine.

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