Episode 169

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Published on:

5th Feb 2026

Can We Accept Total Surveillance to End School Shootings?

Can AI surveillance eliminate mass shootings? Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley push Steven Orr on the real drivers. Steven ties cultural shifts and personal humiliations to gun violence. Jerremy argues school shootings could drop to zero with better data and mental health focus. Dave warns against trading privacy for safety. They tackle NRA funding, money in politics, historical gun rights, social media’s role, and surveillance trade-offs.

Timestamps:

  1. (00:00) Reform clips expose the fight – real positions, no spin
  2. (07:22) Congress owns the inaction – they decide, we pay
  3. (08:28) Running for office costs millions – cash gates the system
  4. (09:30) Money buys influence – NRA and others prove it
  5. (11:48) Gun rights evolved over time – not fixed in 1791
  6. (13:39) Mental health gaps drive violence – fix despair, save lives
  7. (18:06) Future ownership hangs on choices – culture shifts fast
  8. (22:36) Social media amplifies rage – direct link to shootings
  9. (25:07) Surveillance could monitor threats – but privacy dies

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Transcript
Alex:

Young men feel the cultural shift hard — Steven maps it clear: humiliation

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starts quiet, then lost status and

rejection leads to nothing left to lose.

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Could mass shootings drop to zero

with AI watching EVERYONE...[pause]

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[shocked] ALL THE TIME...[pause]

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[shocked] EVERYWHERE?

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Jerremy: So if you were in the room

right now with the head of the NRA

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and or the head of the biggest gun

control group, what is one trade

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you would force them to make?

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Steven Orr: stop taking

money from gun manufacturers.

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Because they have one reason to sell

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that gun.

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Jerremy: oh boy.

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Yeah.

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Steven Orr: So when you, and look, and

I look as a gun owner myself, they're

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not advocating for the better Right?

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Now that's easier said than done.

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When you, and you look at the NRA

in general and of itself, Pierre

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himself is, was disgraced, right?

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He had to leave as president of the NRA.

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Why?

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He took money.

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He wasn't quite up in the up and up.

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Okay.

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When you look at the NRA and listen, my

parents have been a member of the NRA

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for years, and they were for many years.

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I and I, but it changed itself, the

philosophy no matter what, as and

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it's interesting, Jerremy, I was in a.

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I was in a movie theater one time, and I

was watching believe it or not, I got to

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watch Titanic is what the, and we did it.

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I'm I got to watch the TI movie Titanic.

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And in the movie was Charleston

Heston in the movie theater.

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And I'm like, I, you know

me, I'm gonna go walk over.

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I'm gonna say something to him.

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And the first thing I, he goes he

came up to me and shook my hand.

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I said, hi, my name is Steven.

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Or and I just wanna say, Hey,

I've seen all your movies.

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Obviously.

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He was a member of the NRA.

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He was a, he said, you

will never take my gun.

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You'll pry it from my dead cold hand.

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Okay, I understand that.

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But he did not grow up with

weapons of bump stocks.

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He didn't have weapons that were

high powered militaristic weapons

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only designed for one thing to kill.

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He loved his shotgun and he had a pistol.

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He talked about it all the time.

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I have nothing wrong with that.

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I believe that everybody should

have shotguns and rifles and

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handguns if that's your thing.

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But people are not responsible.

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And if people aren't responsible,

you take them away from people.

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You don't take it from the

prying for their cold dead hands.

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You take it before it's

their cold dead hand.

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You take it when they have and

they display mental issues.

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You take it from them when they are

beating their wives because their

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frustration, you take it from them

when there are issues that we see

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written or in social media long

before the problems ever happen.

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So I would tell the NRA invest

and help in mental institutions.

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I.

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Explain why they shouldn't be using

those weapons when they have problems.

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It's should be the last resort

and not the first resort.

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And the NRA goes and says, okay,

it's gonna be the first resort.

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Oh, that's how you protect the

world because you, if I have

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a gun, the bad guy has a gun.

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'cause bad guys are gonna have

guns, I've gotta have a gun.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

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And we know that.

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And that's a, it's a very

cliche-ish adage, but it's true.

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When you look at the people that

actually I just talked about

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it, go to the gun range every

single day to practice to shoot.

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And they have a responsible gun owner

to home who probably hasn't pulled out

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their nine millimeter or 38 and said,

okay, I'm gonna go practice shooting.

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All of a sudden they don't even

know how to use that weapon.

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So now you've created gun violence

without having to create gun violence.

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And I would tell people in the NRA,

alright, not only spend money on

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mental issues, but also on how to.

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Safety on how to use that gun on

classes, that in order to have

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this gun, you must be able to pass.

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We have to have classes in order

to be able to drive down the road.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Steven Orr: Why not have you, you have

to be able to pass background checks.

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I know when I go to New York soccer

check, I've had background checks,

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NASDAQ, I have background checks.

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There's a microscope that is up my behind.

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Why don't we have those?

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If you're gonna be a

responsible gun owner, great.

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You should have a responsible

check at least once every 10 years.

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And guess what?

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When you get a passport, when

it's renewed, you have a check,

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you have to have renewals.

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So why isn't that a problem?

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And that you're gonna, then,

you're gonna hear a pushback

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from the gun lobby going, oh no.

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We don't need a responsible gunner.

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Don't need to be background

checked all the time.

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The hell they don't.

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'cause things happen in their lives,

divorces happen in their lives.

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People die.

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Mental changes.

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We see issues all the time.

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That changes over time.

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I have no problem with that.

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And I'm actually pro for that too.

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Dave: I,

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Jerremy: go ahead Dave.

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I.

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Dave: Gimme a little leeway.

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I'm gonna try and figure out what this

question is, but there's like a, there's

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a little bit of nannys that I try to

figure out where that line is, because,

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we can talk about mental health all we

want, and there's millions of Americans

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drowning themselves in alcohol, hooked

on pills, obliterated on weed, completely

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distracted with online gambling and porn.

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Yeah, we're talking about guns here

and how it can affect other people,

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but all of those other things are as

destructive, even way more destructive,

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like there are people dying every day

of those in huge quantities that we

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do not see in in gun or gun violence.

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And I feel like, like we're putting

a lot of political capital on

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things that don't particularly work.

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Steven Orr: Yeah,

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Dave: I don't know if there's a

question in there, but I don't know.

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Wait.

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Where, what should we be asking

our political leaders to do?

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Steven Orr: step up.

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Flat out, they need to step up.

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If you look at the major issues right

now in front of Congress, in front of

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the White House, gun violence isn't on

the top 30, but yet school shootings, if

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I told people how many school shootings

there were is over two thousands.

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Over 2000, you would think

that would affect every member

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of Congress, the president.

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It would definitely affect mayors

and governors of those states.

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And yet it's not on the forefront of them.

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What's on the forefront of them?

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War, rumors of wars.

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What are we doing about the economy?

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Gambling on sports.

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Obviously we're seeing a lot of laws

being pushed around marijuana and of

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course I'm not for legislating morality.

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I don't think we as a country

need to legislate morality.

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We need to legislate the psychology

of it, I don't, I, look, I, my

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father being his Baptist minister for

many years thought drugs were bad.

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And yet thinks marijuana might

be help for some people, right?

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Am I gonna legis, are we gonna

legislate the usage of marijuana?

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I think that's silly, right?

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And I don't think marijuana

is not causing gun violence.

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People kill people.

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Guns don't kill people, right?

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And so when we look at responsible

gun owners and we look at responsible

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people in the world and go, what

are they doing differently than the

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other person that isn't responsible?

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That's just it.

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They're being responsible.

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That's it, right?

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So to when you look at members of Congress

and going back to their districts and

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saying, okay, what's on your mind?

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They're, what's on their mind is having

a job, their back pocket politics.

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And if they, and if that's not,

they don't have a job, they

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become part of that problem.

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And then all of a sudden they don't feel

worthy, they're humiliated, they're not

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on top, and they divulge into the problem.

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And then all of a sudden they, it's

like breaking bad or breaking down.

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And they're they spiral outta control.

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All of that can be stopped very quickly.

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So when I tell a member of Congress

and I've had the unusual life, I think

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most people say because of being on the

intersection of politics and government

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and White House and Washington and

of course finance and DC and New

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York and having access to some of the

smartest people in the world, they

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don't always have the answers, why?

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Because they're better themselves.

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Jerremy: Yeah, that, that's actually

a interesting question that could

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potentially be a too large of a

segue, but I'll ask it either way.

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Steven, do you think there should be some.

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Requirement for someone to be in Congress

or the Senate, or obviously president

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from a monetary standpoint, as an

example, you need to have $5 million

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liquid before even entering into this

position because then the likelihood that

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they're gonna be taking money and trying

to simply better themselves would most

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likely decrease because they already have

enough to sustain them and their families

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Steven Orr: No.

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Jerremy: because.

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Steven Orr: No, because the framers

of the Constitution were very

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clear about what they wanted.

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They said two years for a

member of Congress of the house

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and six years for the Senate.

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And the reason that they said that was

because they wanted those members to go

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to back to their respective districts

and come back and report every two years.

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And that, that tied them

to the people as a senator.

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It, it let them freed them from the people

every six years so that they could make

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up their own minds about what's best for

the country and made it to two per state.

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When you look at the amount of

money in Congress, there's a lot.

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All right, if you wanna stop that, if you

wanna stop payments and I, in my case,

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PAC money, when I look at PAC money, who's

paying who and who's getting elected?

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Jerremy: exactly.

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Steven Orr: The first question you have

to ask is who is writing the checks?

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Is it the oil companies

writing big checks in Texas?

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Yes.

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Is it the gun lobbying, writing big checks

for members that are very open about that.

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Tennessee, good example of that.

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Yes.

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Is housing in Florida and housing

in California and housing.

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Yes.

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But when you start to pull away

that money from members of Congress,

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then that takes away anybody

running for member of Congress.

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A OC when she ran, was probably the most

broke person ever to run for Congress.

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And Juan in New York.

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Now she has money.

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I don't know how she got it.

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I do.

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And you think about it,

she was a bartender, right?

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So we don't, we, regardless of her

thoughts and her politics, and of

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course I'm middle of the road, right?

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And I'm very, I don't really

care about either side anymore.

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I care more about their, what

they think and how they vote.

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And we're seeing a

separation of how they vote.

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They have to all vote Republican

or all vote for Democrat.

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You wanna change that?

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Have more political parties, you

wanna change that, have it where

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money at the national parties

aren't controlling the narrative.

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So when you look at money in

general, you have to think,

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okay, how do they get the money?

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PAC money usually goes, flows

into the general funds, right?

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The DNC or the D ccc democratic

Congressional Campaign Committee,

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or the RRNC or the RCC, it

flows right through that.

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So they make the decisions of where that

money goes and what districts need more

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money and who has a chance of winning.

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And the idea to con continue

to keep the majority right.

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That was never the intention of

the framers of the Constitution.

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The framers wanted to know

what the people wanted.

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They knew the one thing that the

framers of the Constitution knew was

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that they didn't know everything.

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They make that they made mistakes

and that the country would

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grow and that the country would

in, in turn over time expand.

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And they wanted to make it for amendments.

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And if you think about the framing

of the constitution, gun rights were

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never put in the original Constitution.

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And it wasn't even the first Amendment.

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It was the second Amendment because

they realized they had made a

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mistake and they said, okay,

there, there are gun ownership.

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And we just fought a revolutionary war.

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So we did not let have, we don't

wanna have guns just in the hands of

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governments and the king in that case.

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So that's how we started out with guns.

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And gun violence wasn't even a thing.

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Wait, yeah, it was.

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'cause we had the civil war.

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Yeah.

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It was because we had the west.

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Yeah, it was, and guess what it became

unruly gun violence was, it's nothing new.

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The only thing that was different is

how the weapon that was actually made.

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Winchester made it.

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Winchester is the reason that the civil

war finally ended in a lot of ways because

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the way that the weapon was made, right?

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It became a revolver that was faster

and faster, a repeater and how the

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gun was shot and the grains inside the

ammunition, it got bigger and bigger.

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It's why we call 'em 30

eights and 40 fours, right?

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It's the amount of grain

that's in the weapon, right?

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And so when you look at that,

guns got bigger and faster.

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The Gatlin gun changed wars.

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When you look at the Civil War in

general it was the co it was the North

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who won because of the ability to ma

mass produce weapons and mass produce

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it and get things to the front line.

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The South probably would've what had it

had, they had a bigger supply line, right?

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So guns aren't just a problem.

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It's the people, it's the thought

process and it's the angst in the south.

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That was the angst of racism.

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In the west, it was

angst of, racism, right?

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They think about it in general.

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If you think about in California,

they didn't want the Chinese.

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And because of that, opium was a big deal.

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So it's not, it's about masking the

ma the major bigger overall problem.

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If we stop masking the problem

and get down the nitty gritty like

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these kind of podcasts do, then

may, maybe we won't have as many

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problems if we did fund mental health.

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If we did fund the

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vi the va.

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Like we should, if we do stop

those problems before they happen,

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we won't have these problems.

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And yeah, I get it.

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People are gonna say, that's

just easier said than done.

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But if you're in the community and you

know those people that are causing the

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problems well and you are in the blue

line, shall we say, stop letting them out

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in the, in, at the judges' levels, stop

slapping small fines on them and sitting

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them back out on the road to commit.

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It's interesting.

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The lady that was on the New York

subway system that was accosted.

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It was about minding her own business.

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That guy had over 30 felonies on him.

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How did he get back out?

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When I worked for the administration,

it was three strike and you're out.

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I agree with that.

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If you could, one, okay.

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You made a mistake.

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You can correct yourself and, but you

make a, make amends to the person you

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offended and really make amends to it.

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But we don't do that anymore.

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We don't really push them anymore.

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It's too lenient If you, if

we, if gun owners, when they

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argument the NRA is correct.

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We already have these laws.

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We didn't enforce them

and make it more punitive.

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We don't, oh, let's let 'em

back out and they'll be fine.

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They'll be okay.

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They're not okay.

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Until a psychologist says they're okay.

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They're not okay until

they, they actually are.

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Okay.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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What's the combination between

let's say the A TF and the NRA?

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Because I feel like both are

pretty toothless, essentially.

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Like, where are they coming in

and how are they using their money

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or using their influence or using

their power or their connection?

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Or, you used the word

Rolodex earlier, why?

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Why aren't they actually doing anything

to either stop the flow of illegal

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weapons or to stop school shootings or to

implement better mental health strategies?

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Steven Orr: Money.

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It's clear and simple.

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It's money, it's packed money

to the NRA, it's packed money.

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And no, look, I can say the old adage

that, when you look at people in

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general, why do bad things happen?

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'cause good people don't step up, right?

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When I just watched the

Nuremberg trials again, and.

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That movie, it's 'cause

good people didn't step up.

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When good people do step up that's

when things actually get taken care of.

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But you're not really seeing that.

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'cause we're all too busy

working, we're all too busy.

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We don't really see it until

we see the five o'clock news

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Jerremy: Gotcha.

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So Steven, to give us a vision of

5, 10, 15 years from now, what would

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be an uncomfortable truth that gun

owners need to swallow to save lives?

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And what does the uncomfortable truth

reformers need to swallow to save rights?

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Steven Orr: lock those guns up know

who's using that gun to the person

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that believes in no guns on at all.

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Do you really wanna be taken

over by a foreign country?

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Do you really wanna be another victim?

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I think both sides need to come together

and say, look there's truth on both sides.

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Come together, understand

each other's position.

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It's not all or nothing.

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And that's just that's not just human

gun violence, but it's on everything.

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It's not all

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or nothing.

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We all have, we have differing

opinions, so what makes

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America so great?

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But we need to understand each

other's opinions and come together

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have, have conferences where

this is actually talked about.

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But if you have conferences where

it's just screaming at each other,

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you can never take my gun from me.

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And you can never, oh, I, nobody wants,

nobody's taking your gun from you.

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That's just silly talk.

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You still, every person who's ever

said, you've taken my gun from me.

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Their gun hasn't gone on.

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And the person who says it's the person

with a gun that causes all the violence.

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No, it's not.

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It's really not.

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And those two sides need to come together

and actually have a complete discussion.

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I don't mean like a, an hour or two.

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I'm talking about weeks and months

discussions about come up with real

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legislation, real understanding.

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But nobody wants to do that

because we're all too busy.

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And I understand that.

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I'm, we're all busy people.

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We but are we too busy to stop violence?

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Nope.

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Are we too busy to stop?

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Are kids getting killed?

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Nope.

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Are we too busy to help a student

that needs help or mental issues?

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Nope.

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So there is a reason to do both.

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Dave: So in.

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Jesus, 2026 in 2036.

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What does gun ownership

look like in America?

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Steven Orr: I think when you look

at gun ownership and you're talking

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about 10 years in the future,

I don't think that's enough.

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I think gun ownership probably

won't change, especially not

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for the next three years.

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I don't know that there's enough

people that are standing up yet.

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There's just not enough mayhem

yet to make that happen.

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We we opened our eyes up to the, it

was eye opening for Columbine, and

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then it became a copycats and we

saw it over and over again, and it

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got the number of school shootings.

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And I harken back to that in 1966.

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If I told you there were only.

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Nine gun shoots shot on a school.

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It wasn't until 2013, we had 34, and

then by:

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and then by 2021 it was over 300.

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So there was an escalation

of school violence.

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But when you look at school violence

coming down, now this time it's 233.

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It's not the was the year

before that, it was 336.

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So now it's becoming

out of sight outta mind.

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But it's not 30 and 40 that we used

to, that we thought of as normal.

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It is coming down.

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If you look at 2036, I, my hope

and prayer is that it's zero.

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But that's not what's gonna happen.

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There's always gonna be a slip of the

cracks kind of situations, unfortunately.

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By 2036, we might be using technology

in order to stop gun violence faster.

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We might be able to find those people

that, that write things on social media

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who say things that are out of the norm.

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We might be able to use technology to say,

okay, this person is not quite all there.

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We need to keep our eye on this person.

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We can look, say, okay there's a cult

growing in the middle of this state.

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Let's keep our eye on that.

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And like that FBI agent that I saw

that listened to the Apple podcast, hey

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maybe there'd be more of those people

that are infiltrating and diffusing the

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situations before they happen, right?

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There's preventative measures.

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So I think in 2036, you're gonna see more

preventative measures, but do I think

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it will affect the number of casualties?

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I don't know.

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That's a great question.

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I hope that it we do, but

I don't think we will.

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Jerremy: I can say this, and

Dave brought it up well earlier

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about the main issue, right?

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Being boys essentially.

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Very angry.

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Not men.

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They can be grown, but

they are boys internally.

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They are individuals or men with

very with very large pain caverns,

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and they're using pain to fill that

cavern in most school shootings.

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I will say that a lot of them are

one v one gang related violence.

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And the school shootings, especially

the numbers that you're listing,

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the mass school shootings are

absolutely without question, in

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my personal opinion, solvable.

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Those are the ones that can become

zero, and the only way it can

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become zero in my personal opinion,

is to address certain aspects of.

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Mental health and to use very important

data allocation and data awareness

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of, like you said, when someone is

posting, when someone is sharing, when

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someone is saying certain things, that

person has to be monitored a little

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Steven Orr: Correct.

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Jerremy: And if someone's in school

and they're eight years old and their

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dad's a military veteran and that

8-year-old has heard something in

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their house and they say, I'm gonna

bring a gun to school and shoot a

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bunch of people, that child is gonna

be monitored very closely for a decade.

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And I know it's unfortunate, but

those are certain things when you

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are, when you say that in a school

that is an act of violence, that is

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a forethought of this is something

that I could potentially be planning.

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And they need to have counseling.

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They need to be loved on.

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They need to be cared for.

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They need to be placed in certain they.

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Meditation classes where they can

talk and they can breathe and they

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can get their frustration out because

you use the word bullying a lot

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And in the earlier comments and that's

definitely something that's happening.

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So I agree with the future

being a much brighter, much

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lower number school shootings.

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I also agree Steven, that I don't

believe it can ever be truly

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absolutely zero, where no one in

the United States dies from a gun.

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But I do believe that it can be something

where the mass shootings in schools do

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reach a level of absolutely not happening.

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Steven Orr: right.

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It's interesting when we look at social

media today when you look at, when you

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look at how it escalated, and we can talk

about the copycat side of things, we can

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talk about the social media aspect of it.

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We can talk about the online communities

that nurture this kind of violence.

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One of the things that

you always hear from.

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The experts, shall we say, they

always say, don't name the person

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in the that was the shooter.

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Don't name the shooter, don't put

their name out there because they're

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looking for that recognition.

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Because they can't get it any other way.

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A lot of times we miss the reasoning

behind the actual why the kid has been

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isolated or pushed himself to that because

we don't understand what his gifts are.

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What do I mean by that?

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We miss them because in our schools,

we think of schools as, okay, they're

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in K class, they're in first grade,

they're in second grade, and we have

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to teach 'em these certain things.

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ABCs.

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We gotta teach 'em numbers in this class.

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We've gotta teach multiplication.

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In this case, we've gotta

teach 'em health education.

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In this class, what we forget is

that we don't always fit in boxes

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and sometimes we have other issues

that, that are go on around us.

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Father and mother aren't together.

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We have issues of, in your case

you talked about earlier, right?

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Dis disproportionate number,

amount of finances, maybe

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poor people or middle class.

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That adds to all of it, right?

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So when you look at those things,

they're looking to break out of it.

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They see the Mark Zuckerbergs and

the Elon Musks, and I can be that.

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I don't need to go to college.

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I can be rich, I can be famous.

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I see the influencers on, I can do that.

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I can be all of that.

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And when they realize that they

can't, that begins the humiliation,

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the isolationism that begins the

spiraling Look, none of this is premed.

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Most of the school shootings

are not premeditated evil.

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It's just it's when you don't recognize

the symptoms, we, if we could start and

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lower the media saturation of violence.

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All of these things become part of the

narrative as opposed to just the answer.

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And this in a way that we

just need to tamp it all down.

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Just stop the chaos.

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And I think a lot of people will just

slow that roll down a little bit and

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we can catch it before it happens.

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Because I think if we catch

it before it happens, the law

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enforcement never even shows up.

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They don't need to law.

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When you get law enforcement

involved, it's already at the

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last, it's at the last resort.

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There's a reason why law enforcement

has to step in because nobody

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else stopped it to begin with.

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Dave: There's something that I'm hearing

from, actually from both of you, is that

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there's a, in the solution here, there's

a level of surveillance, whether it's

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online, social media, in schools, it's

buying ammo, it's monitoring, and I'm.

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There's a little bit of queasiness that

comes into me on that, like putting that

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in the hands of government or in the

hands, even worse of private companies.

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And these are areas where it, we're

talking about parents, we're talking about

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communities, we're talking about family.

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We're talking about culture.

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These are all soft skills

that take decades to nurture.

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Is that government?

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Government shouldn't be in that job,

it, and it shouldn't be making it worse.

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It's more of a statement than anything

else, but like that, that, that

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level of technology and surveillance.

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I hear you and I, it's

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Steven Orr: We already have it, Dave.

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The level of technology and

surveillance is already here.

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You

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can't walk in any store without

having facial recognition.

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The question is not the,

do we have the technology?

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The question is not whether we not,

we are monitoring the situation.

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The question is whether or

not the punitive damages the

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question mark is always around.

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Did we do something about it and

we're not doing something about it?

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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And also Dave too.

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Just from what you're mentioning,

like there's always gonna be

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some level of monitoring that.

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It could be a private company, it could

be I do agree that it shouldn't be a

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government aspect, but it could also be

a nonprofit, it could be an organization

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that is, is there to, for simply the

monitoring of the human safety, right?

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The human experiment.

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That is, let's make sure that many people

are having these conversations and just

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being aware that it actually is the issue.

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That it actually is the problem.

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Where the more data that we sift

through, the more we easily recognize

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that there is going to be some level of.

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An educational change, right?

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Alex: Steven sees tech flagging risks

early, schools teaching connection again.

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Jerremy believes headline

shootings can reach zero.

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But Dave says we're trading privacy for

safety and when has that ever worked out?

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