Episode 171

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Published on:

8th Feb 2026

Most Gun Deaths Are Suicides—Why Are We Still Debating Magazines? (Full)

44,000 Americans die each year from gun-related deaths, the majority suicides. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley sit down with Steven Orr to argue we should legislate psychology, not morality. Steven walks through his own history with guns. They unpack mental health failures, social pressures, media influence, and why education plus community support beat endless policy fights.

Timestamps:

  1. (00:00) Debate starts with wrong frame – most deaths are self-inflicted, not crime
  2. (00:28) Steven Big Beat joins – lived experience, not talking points
  3. (01:44) Guns from childhood – normal upbringing, no tragedy
  4. (03:57) Ownership is psychological – protection, identity, not evil
  5. (06:05) American violence stats lie – suicides dominate the 44,000
  6. (09:26) Mental health collapse kills – treat despair, drop the body count
  7. (19:47) Media normalizes rage – constant exposure shapes minds
  8. (34:05) Real solutions exist – education and support, not more laws
  9. (41:10) Congress avoids blame – they control the levers
  10. (42:17) Running costs millions – cash blocks outsiders
  11. (43:19) Money buys outcomes – influence is obvious
  12. (45:36) Gun rights aren’t eternal – context has shifted
  13. (47:27) Prevention starts with care – mental health gaps are lethal
  14. (51:54) Ownership future depends – culture decides, not just courts
  15. (56:25) Social media breeds shooters – isolation plus outrage
  16. (58:56) Surveillance tempts control – privacy cost is massive
  17. (01:00:54) Community actually works – connection beats isolation
  18. (01:07:04) Rapid-fire cuts deep – no dodging left
  19. (01:09:25) Lesson is simple – focus on psychology, save lives

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Transcript
Jerremy:

Most of us are worn out by the gun debate because

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it is the same loop every time.

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Rights versus bands.

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Thoughts and prayers, rinse and repeat.

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Nothing really changes.

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The math is undeniable.

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Every year, 44,000 Americans

die, mostly suicides lives.

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We know how to save if we stop shouting

and start thinking differently.

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I am Jerremy Alexander Newsom with

my co-host Dave Conley, and this

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is Solving America's Problems.

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Today we have a returning guest,

Steven Big Beat, or he is a

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systems thinker spanning Wall

Street AI and the White House.

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He owns guns.

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He defends the Second Amendment, but

he argues that if we actually want to

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save lives, we need to stop legislating

morality and start legislating psychology.

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Steven, welcome back to the show.

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Steven Orr: Thanks, Jerremy.

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Thanks Dave.

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One of the cool things about the this

podcast is it's critical thinking, right?

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It's not just let's throw out our opinions

and we're looking to solve problems.

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And I think that's probably the

best part about this podcast is

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that we're digging deeper than

just what sound bites can produce.

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Jerremy: Yes, thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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This is gonna be really exciting and

you are, first of all, you're one of my

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mentors online and stocks and trading

and investing for a very long time, but

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you're also very open about gun ownership,

and you're here to not only defend the

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Second Amendment, but most importantly

talk about what we have been discussing

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for the last few weeks and months, which

is this trigger warning guns in America.

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Steven, walk us through

your very first memory.

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When was guns brought into your life?

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Steven Orr: That's a great question.

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Jerremy guns were never

brought into my life.

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They were just a part of it as a kid.

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I grew up in southern Illinois where

hunting was a big deal, deer hunting,

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and I went rabbit hunting a lot.

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And while I don't do that today,

I haven't been in a long time.

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My grandparents on both sides, my

great-grandparents, my great-great

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grandparents, all had guns.

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But being responsible

gun owners meant being.

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Responsible parents too as well.

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And being responsible parents also

meant teaching your kid how to handle

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a gun, what it's meant to have a gun.

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And in my house, the gun safes were out

in the open in a lot of ways, right?

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They weren't in hidden behind

in some closet, but we were

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taught to respect that gun.

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And they were never ever

loaded while in the house.

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We were taught how to load.

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And I think gun safety is a part

of the regimen that we also need.

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When you look back in history.

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When you think about the number of

countries that were, that really disliked

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the United States, they were scared of

the United States because of, quote,

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there was a gun in under everybody's bed.

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Nobody wants to attack the

United States 'cause there's,

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there were that many weapons.

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Today there are more guns and there

are people in the country, but that's

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also a little bit different today.

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Now when we look at it and I

still see that gun, those guns

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those shotguns and those handguns

in my parents' bedroom and in

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the gun case, in the middle of

the kitchen, believe it or not.

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And on our case and look, when

you look at that, I've seen that.

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But IL that my father taking me

out to the, to the gun range and

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getting my first void card in in,

in Illinois, and being able to

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understand going to a gun safety class.

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Hunting class was not about going to

teaching you how to shoot an animal.

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It was about how to respect nature and

how to respect the weapon that you owned.

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And I think that is a very

thing that we need as education.

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And we can talk about that a little

bit deeper later in the show.

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But I had a great education from

my parents who taught me how

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to, load a weapon, how to clean

the weapon, how to respect the

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weapon, and never use it in anger.

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And I think that's part of what we

are missing today in this country.

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Jerremy: I love that.

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Thank you.

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Steven.

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You occupy a rare space, so back in,

giving people some more update and

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information and background on you.

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You've worked in the White House, you run

an AI financial platform, you're a gun

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owner who defends the Second Amendment.

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When did you realize you were

going to have to live in the

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tension between those two worlds?

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What was the moment the

switch flipped for you?

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Steven Orr: That's a great question.

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Jerremy.

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It's funny 'cause in 1992 during the

campaign, I realized that I wasn't alone.

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That I had maybe my opinions weren't

the exact opinions of everybody.

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And I had to understand how to

divulge those and how to grow my

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own self, maybe spiritually grow

and personally grow and learn.

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My first words in Washington

DC was, how y'all doing?

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And I realized I was not at

home in southern Illinois.

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So what I looked at that perspective

and I said, okay, you know what?

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There's different opinions.

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There's different countries, there's

different we live in a melting pot.

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So how do I become part of that narrative

and not on one side or the other?

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And I think that's what's problem

in America today, is that we have so

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many different opinions, but we are

becoming so different in the fact

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of what media that we listen to.

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It's one sided or the other.

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You either live on this

side of the equation or the

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other side of the equation.

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There's no.

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What I call good old fashioned common

sense that I started out with right.

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Learning that, okay, I have that

common sense, but I need to change

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my thought process and maybe

I don't have all the answers.

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And so over those years in the White

House and the State Department and

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pro sports that I got to be a part

of being a part of Washington DC and

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New York City and Florida, I realized

the East Coast is a lot different

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than the West Coast even, right?

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And so the thought process was there,

but when we look at gun violence, a

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lot of it happens in the cities and

not out in the rural areas of America.

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But you do have found school

cities to be happening.

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But whether there were, there are more

people and when there are more people,

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there are more tensions and there are more

opinions and there are more aggravations.

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And so those are the things that I

think are the basis of what we need to

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look at when we look at gun violence.

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Jerremy: Makes sense.

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Makes sense.

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So you have the line, and

I've heard you say this a few

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different times out there, right?

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We shouldn't legislate morality.

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We should legislate psychology.

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Could you give us an

example of what that means?

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What is a moral gun law?

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What is a moral gun law that fails?

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And what is a psychological

gun law that works?

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Steven Orr: Okay.

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It's a great question.

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I can talk about it in the perspective

of sales of guns itself and one of

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those main, where we fail out is the

biggest producer of guns and changing

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of hands, and those are called straw

purchases and those are purchases

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that are where it's not even really

even purchased sometimes it's just

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given, and in my case, my parents and

grandparents and great grandparents

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and uncles, I have all their guns.

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That's a straw purchase where we purchase

it from a family member or a friend.

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That is illegal.

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But enforcement is really uneven there.

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We don't really have someone

going in the home and saying how

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did you get that weapon right?

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And then you have the place where

thefts or where guns have been

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taken from non-store correctly or

poorly secured weapons the, those

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rules are already on the books.

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And we're not enforcing that.

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But if we enforce the psychology, and

we're already seeing parts of that now

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Jerremy where the president now wants to

cut back on mental health payments to, to

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a lot of these firms that try to protect

us, mental health is the biggest problem.

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And what we're finding out is that,

especially in school shootings when

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bullying has become a major issue.

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We're not hitting the

main points right there.

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So when you look at failure of actual

legalities, we're not putting those kids

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where they should be in juvenile homes.

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We're not put we're

glazing over the problems.

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Bullying is a major issue and we're

not seeing that, and we're not seeing

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a psychologist in every school.

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Now, is that, can that happen financially?

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No, but we can see where psychologists

can come once a week or once a month

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and ferret out some of those kids who

are causing problems or have issues.

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If we look at the majority of

school shootings, shall we say,

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they happen in three different ways.

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They happen in on.

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And where the first thing is where,

and that's usually on the school

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playgrounds or the, or outside.

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I don't normally start on the inside.

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The wind is usually in the mornings.

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That's the majority of school shootings.

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And the why is because of

the bullying and the, and not

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feeling a part of the community.

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And that we hear that 78% of school

shootings happen because they have

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disconnected from their community,

from their family have gone online and

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they've said things they're gonna do.

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And yet we as a community don't

go in and say, okay, there's

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something wrong with this person.

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We need to stop this before it happens.

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So the three things, look morning.

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Look, if we had more school officers

patrolling outside of the school

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in the mornings, that would stop.

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A majority of them, we already

know about 50% of them.

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If you look at you know why

it's happening, it's bullying.

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So if we see reports of bullying those

should be reported higher up than just

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in the school and not hide those facts.

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And if we see parts of kids that

are having mentally issues, then

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we need to also make sure that

those are reported too as well.

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That right there would stop a lot of it.

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Dave: Steven, can you

help me bridge something?

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What I love about what you're

saying is that this is about

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the psychology of gun violence.

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And certainly in our research,

most of the gun violence in the

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United States happens from suicide.

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So people using a gun on themselves, and

a vast majority of those people are men.

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And the vast majority of

those men are in rural areas.

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And they were veterans, right?

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And then the other side of this, or

not the other side, the other aspect

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of this, the other mental side of

this is that the, almost the rest of

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gun violence happens in young men.

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Again it happens in urban settings.

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I'm.

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I'm not gonna like couch this

as that it's black men on men

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or young men on men violence.

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It's by and large poor is really,

I think a better way of looking

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at it from my point of view.

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But that's the other, the other side

of that, and what I'm hearing from you

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is the mental health aspect of this.

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However, in talking with gun enthusiasts

they come back with the vast majority

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of the laws are on types of weapons and

accessories, and they're not addressing

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the big, the elephants in the room.

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And that's the psychology aspect.

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That's, that these are specific

areas in 50 zip codes that need a

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community violence intervention,

which has been shown to work.

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Help me bridge the types of weapons

and the accessories and the, where

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the laws are and the energy of

the laws are versus the results.

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Steven Orr: That is a great question.

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Dave, and interestingly enough,

they're absolutely right.

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The majority of these, the weapons

that are being used for suicide

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aren't AK 40 sevens and high

powered velocity muzzled rifles.

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It's very hard to commit

suicide with a shotgun, right?

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It's not the easiest thing.

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And you're very right when you talk

about PTSD in our military, you

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wanna stop military gun and violence

and suicide, stop having wars.

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Stop having issues where violence

actually starts at the beginning

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of this in the families.

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Because, one of the things that

my grandfathers always said to me

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was they never talked about World

War II because quite frankly.

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Huh?

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They said they saw things

they didn't wanna talk about.

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And they didn't really

have anyone to talk to.

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And when you talk about it from

the perspective of PTSD, they

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saw it, they've seen it all.

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And we've seen a lot more dangerous

positions of the, of this administration.

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But when you look at it from the Vietnam,

Korea, Caribbean, cri, Caribbean you

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see it where that sector, that, between

the seventies and the eighties where

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suicides went up in, in that timeframe.

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And the poor side of people were

really, it was really a rough

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time in the early, late seventies.

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So we saw gun violence

way up in that point.

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And you saw.

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You saw a place where they wanted to

clean that up, like New York City, right?

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Where gun violence, they

kicked the guns out.

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Washington, DC where there are no

more guns, london, England, where

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the guns are, we could talk about

different countries that are banned

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guns, but that's not the key to this.

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The key to this is when you see people

that are hurting with PTSD, especially

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those who are in the military, we

should be putting our arms around

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them, hugging them and saying, there's

a better way and we're here for you.

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A lot of times they don't even reach

out to their own friends in the

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military, that are either still active

duty or not on active duty anymore.

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They go to the va.

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We need to really fund the

Veterans Administration, right?

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When you see that mental health in

the VA should be the most well-funded

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place in inside of the va, because

that could stop a lot of that problem.

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And when you look at it from the

perspective of the person that is hurting.

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It is usually because they are hurting

from the perspective of financial wealth.

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They're not seeing that

side that we see right.

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Of how to invest and what to do.

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All they're seeing is the same thing.

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They saw that single paycheck they

get and it's being stretched and

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it's being stretched and it's being

stretched and it's being stretched

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and it's getting worse and worse.

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Especially now with inflation

and prices of things that they

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didn't think were gonna go up.

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It's also hard to reintegrate back

into society once they've left that

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military structured society no longer

they're being structured anymore.

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They no longer have get up at this time

and have breakfast, get up at this time,

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make bed, get up at this, we're gonna

go now, we're gonna do PT at this time.

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There's no more structure anymore in

their life and that's also missing.

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We need to have places for

those, for the military vets.

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If there's anything, as we as a

country, we have these freedoms,

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it's because of those vets.

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And when we look

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at the future, it's gonna be the same.

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It's because of those vets.

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We are the police of the world.

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And when we send our boys and our

kids into those battle zones, we need

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to understand that when they come

back, they're not gonna be the same

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person that they are when they left.

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So we need to be spending time, there

needs to be some kind of mental health

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as they, when they come out, they need

to go through those progress and process.

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And when they do have those

issues, we don't always know when

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those issues are gonna blow up.

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When my brother passed away, right?

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I went I didn't go through the guilt yet.

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It took me months.

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Then I realized that I had to

be strong for my own family.

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And then when I was by myself

is when it hit me, right?

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And sometimes we don't know when those

things hit and we don't know when

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those health issues are going to arise.

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But we need to have a place

that makes that phone call.

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We need to have a place that those

people can go to when they feel like

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the world isn't working for me more.

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I need help.

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And they should.

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It's not as an 800 number.

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It should be a place to walk into as well.

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When you, when in, in the, and when you

look at gun violence in and of itself,

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a lot of the gun violence happens

because those guns weren't stored

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correctly or that very moment of pause

that sometimes people need to maybe

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load the weapon to have a key in the

lock that maybe they don't have, right?

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That's somewhere else.

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That extra moment of pause may give

them that extra pause that they need

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in order to not create that violence.

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Whether that's suicide or

harm harming someone else.

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And they're right.

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Gun owners are right.

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A lot of these laws are already in place.

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So enforcement is the key here.

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And when you look at the psychology

of that enforcement, a lot of times

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I don't wanna do it 'cause I have

other things to worry about right now.

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Someone had a car wreck I can't handle.

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Guess what?

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When someone has a gun violence,

that's probably, that's, that

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makes the nine o'clock news.

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A car wreck doesn't make the nine

o'clock the news sometimes, right?

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And so when we look at gun

violence, we see the worst of it.

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What it can do.

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And we also have issues where

in, in mentally ill people that,

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that have a tendency for violence

or violent people in general or

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violent people in general, period.

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They see that and become copycats.

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So the psychology is not just

a psychology of, oh, am I poor?

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Oh, am I down and out?

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Oh, did I just leave a war zone?

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There's a lot more issues than just that.

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And when we get down to the nitty

gritty of what the actual issue is,

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a lot of it has to do with their

personality and who they are as a person.

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So we need to nurture better

quality people in the school

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systems, better family units and

better and better friends, right?

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A lot of times people that are in

violent areas tend to gravitate

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towards violence because guess what?

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That's usually where the money is too.

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So there is a major issue

here that we need to solve.

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Now, is this an easy thing that

we can go out and solve it?

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No, because you have.

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We have one thing that's in

this biggest problem in this

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country is PAC money, right?

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We have big businesses that are,

whether you're the gun lobby or

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whether you're the lobby for, mothers

against drunk driving or gun violence.

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The lobbying again, needs to come

together and sit down and talk about

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the exact issues and get down to more,

more prevalent and more ideological

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ideas of fixing the problem as

opposed to screaming, yelling on.

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Jerremy: So Steven, you created and

built Quasar markets to identify risk.

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If you built a risk dashboard for

gun violence, what specific signals

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would you track that we are either

ignoring right now or probably

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not paying enough attention to?

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Would you call it credit data, social

isolation, or is there something else?

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Steven Orr: The one thing I've always

said Jerremy, and that's a great

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question too, is that when you look at.

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The beginnings of a person's life

and how they start to grow up, that's

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when the seeds need to be there first.

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I do not believe in a social or

credit score of a person because their

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socially a person changes over time.

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Their financial wellbeing changes over

time, and we do track that, but having

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a social score is not the answer when I

look at risk management, also, the key

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to risk management is also data, and

a lot of that data is not input into

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the databases, meaning a child comes up

and has a record of being a bully or it

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just gets swept under the rug, or that

kid, as grades have started to go down.

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We're not paying attention to those

kids' grades because something

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happened in their background.

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Maybe someone passed away and

something happened, right?

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So there's a lot of issues and I think

the main issue there is data in itself.

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Now, if I were to create that actual

database, I think I would bring

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it from school databases, right?

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Which we already do.

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We already, I already

import a lot of school data.

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I already import a lot of gun

data already into the system.

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But it's not about having one set of data.

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It's about correlating that

data with other pieces of data.

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It's things that we don't

really put together, right?

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Why?

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Why is something that happens in Japan

affect someone in the United States?

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Maybe it's someone that's violent, sees

violence around the world and says if

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they're doing it there, they can do it.

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Here.

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They see Ukraine and Russia, the number

of people that have passed away and killed

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in gunfire and drone drones and tanks.

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The number of people that we're

looking at China looking to invade

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Taiwan, we're looking at a present,

looking to quote, invade Greenland.

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This is a lot that we as a

country, are having to digest.

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And as we digest it, sometimes

people can't handle all of this.

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Maybe there's an overload of news and an

overload of data, especially violent data.

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Why?

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Because violence in the

media is what sells.

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It's what gets eyeballs,

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and those eyeballs can push.

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Jerremy: I was really just about to

ask that question, which was like,

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tinfoil hat, why does the media

never talk about mental health?

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They have the same data

that we do, or someone does.

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We, we didn't spend that much

time figuring this out, and

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they're never discussing the

mental health component of this.

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To your point, do you feel like that is

simply the reason that they're always

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pushing the negativity and the fear based

side of this just for clicks and sales?

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Steven Orr: It's a, it's interesting

that you say that Jerremy, when I get

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to that point where I get stressed out

too, I know a lot of people think, oh

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my gosh, Steve never gets stressed out.

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I get stressed out too.

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You know what I do?

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I go play with my Xbox

and I go shoot zombies.

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I don't go shoot other people.

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I, call of Duty is one of my favorite

games, but I play Call of Duty zombies.

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I don't play Call of Duty.

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We're killing other people.

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We can t that down a little bit, right?

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We're actually growing kids to

understand that guns are okay, high

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power weapons to kill other people.

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Where why is that available to

kids under the age of 18 or 16?

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I don't know what the date name is

and time that's for a psychologist,

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but we are encouraging violence

in this country on so many levels.

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And then it's okay.

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It's not okay to go shoot other people.

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I don't even care if

it's in a game, right?

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When I was growing up, I was taught you

pull the gun out to on a person, you

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better be willing to shoot it because

they're doing something wrong to you or

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they're hurting somebody or someone else.

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You don't pull the gun out.

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So when I look at that now,

our philosophies have changed.

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And when we look at if you look

at TV today, as I was growing

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up, it was three channels.

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It was three, six, and 12.

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You had A, B, C, C, B, S, and NBC.

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Today we have millions of channels

and YouTube and TikTok and we

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have where beauty is important.

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And even in our own case where we have

to be on TV all the time and narcissism

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has really raised its rare, ugly head

because we have to as businesses.

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Also push that.

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And so when we push that narrative

the narrative of we have to

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have this right makeup on.

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Bullying within kids

has grown exponentially.

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Mean girls is a movie, an actual

show, and bullying amongst students.

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I just was watching Landman the other day

and I saw where one of the cheerleaders

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stood up for a transgender person, right?

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We need more of that in this world and

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Less of the argumentative and divisive

and the chaotic talk, if we just

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hone that down, not just within

ourselves, but in the media as well.

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You're absolutely right.

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We might see a different

tone here, but chaos.

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And if you look at school shootings

in the databases in:

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we had a very divisive election

and school shootings went sky high.

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The numbers, the database ex incidences

was at 352, and it went down a

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little bit during the election.

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3 36.

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It dropped after the election to 2 33.

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Why?

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Because of the rhetoric

that's being pushed out there.

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Because of what is being said, the

chaos is creating great eyeballs

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and it's getting people elected.

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But it's also the position of, it's

also being a question mark to if

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it happens here, I can do this too.

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Now, this is not for the average person.

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Not normal.

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This is but in the case of this,

you're saying solving America's

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problems trigger warnings.

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That's a trigger warning that we

could stop very quickly, right?

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By not creating trigger

in the first place.

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Dave: I hear you.

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And there's a certain amount of

correlation and causation in my mind.

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Like when I was growing up, it was

like, Dungeons and Dragons was causing

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Satanists and like violent video games

and all of this, everything on Netflix,

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everything on Hulu, everything on.

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Online is available everywhere.

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And yet are we seeing something

unique in the United States?

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Is it something about the United States

that makes this particularly unique?

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Is it just that, the witches

brew of adding weapons to this?

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I don't know, social media is everywhere.

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So how, what would you

say that we should do?

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Steven Orr: I'll first and foremost say as

a Christian, I love Dungeons and Dragons.

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I love the shows, love Stranger Things.

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No, that doesn't make someone a killer.

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But what things happen is when they,

it grows on that person as somebody

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who thinks about violence, and it

continues to go in them, and it becomes,

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it, the, it doesn't happen overnight.

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You, we see it so often that the killer

quote has written a letter and explaining

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what's wrong and why they did that.

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I had the opportunity right

after Columbine happened.

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I was at the first Baptist Church

of Jacksonville, Florida, and I got

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to hear and see from some of the

families, or they were affected by Dylan

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Klebold and what had happened, right?

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And they also, the same thing.

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They just missed it.

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He was wearing a long jacket all

the time, and he was pulling away

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from people and the other kids

and became to have his own world.

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He wasn't watching bad shows all the time.

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He wasn't playing Dungeon Dragons.

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And that's what made him that person.

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It was the disconnection of human frailty.

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And what do I mean by that?

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We as a we desire.

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We like social interactions so much.

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How many social software pieces do you

have on your phone or your mobile apps?

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We have on our phone, I've got about 10.

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We desire that it's what do we disconnect?

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But the problem with social apps that

we talked about, Dave, is that when you

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look at those social apps, sometimes they

make us more divisive because we talk

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about things as keyboard warriors that we

normally wouldn't say in the real world.

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We talk things that we wouldn't

normally say to our family and friends.

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And when we see those negative

comments coming out, oh, I did

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not know my friend was racist.

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Oh, I had no idea that this was happening.

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Oh, maybe I should go talk to Jerry

or Jim or Dave or Peter or Julie

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and say, Hey, is something okay?

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Is something amiss?

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One of the things that I do on a

daily basis, I have, as everybody

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knows, I have an amazing Rolodex.

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I picked that Rolodex up every single

day and I make phone calls to my friends

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and family just to check on them, to

reconnect and make sure that they're okay.

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Hey, is there something wrong?

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There's something I can do.

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We miss that a lot of times.

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And there's something very

interesting happening.

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It's been reading about this

over the last few weeks.

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Letter writing.

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People are picking up a pen and

paper and writing letters to their

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friends and family and read and

re going back to the old ways of

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how we actually communicate it.

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Now, I don't look I couldn't do that.

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There's I don't have enough paper

and pen and in my office to be

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able to write that many letters.

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So I do pick the phone up.

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But that communication is the, is

so desired and the effects from that

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and how people are affected by that.

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Hey, my mom and dad still love me.

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Hey, my friends and family

still care about me.

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Hey, I made a new friend today.

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Do you know how much that would stop?

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A lot of the bullying, how much that would

stop a lot of the violence in this world.

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And then when I look at the contextual

side of violence in and of itself there,

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the three main triggers is personal

humiliation, loss of identity, rejection.

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And of course the last

is nothing left to lose.

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Thinking.

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That's not a, that's not nothing

left to lose, doesn't start.

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It's a progression.

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It's personal humiliation becoming first.

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I was humiliated, okay, now I'm no

longer top dog, so I've lost my status

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and now I'm being rejected by everybody.

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Whether that's a romantic rejection

or a social or academic rejection.

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And then it gets in disparity

of nothing left to lose.

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:

There's a progression there.

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If we could stop anything in that

progression, one, one stop, anywhere

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:

along that line, that crime, that

violence, that thing that violent act

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stops more violent acts and copycats and

all the things that we just talked about.

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Not to mention the fact of how

it became part of the mental.

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Acumenity of this, of when we say,

Hey, I could have reached out, or I

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could have said something, man, if I

had just known that person was gonna

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do that I would've said something.

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We all know as his human beings, that the

first act is personal human interaction.

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And if we start having more human

interaction and podcasts like this to

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actually get to know the person a little

bit closer, to understand why they're

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having these feelings of disparity

and the quote, nothing left to lose,

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why did they have that loss of status?

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How can they get that status back?

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How can they feel not rejected?

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Can they stop that personal humility?

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Humility.

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All of a sudden you've now got

an answer and not just talk.

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Dave: Would you?

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And this is like young women

are, are not picking up a gun.

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They're not picking up a gun to, to kill

themselves or to kill somebody else.

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This is men and boys that are doing this.

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Is there.

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There's something special we need to do

for young men and boys or something unique

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about them, that is the biggest lever.

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We're talking about community, we're

talking about reaching out, we're talking

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about all the things that everybody needs,

but what's, what is it about young men,

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Steven Orr: At, when I look at my own life

and I, the coolest thing I have in my life

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is very strong women around me, right?

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They take an extra pause.

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They don't think about violence the

way that we think about violence.

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My wife doesn't watch

violent movies all the time.

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She doesn't see the world the way that,

that I see it with violence in men.

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It's that bravado, as I

said, it's the humiliation.

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It's that status.

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And I'll tell you it's

interesting is that.

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I think you saw this in the last election,

that especially when you look at it from

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a perspective of white males younger,

they, when you think of younger people,

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you think of them as liberal, and, you

think of them as wanting to change the

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world and they're losing their identity.

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They feel like that they're not part

of the narrative of the next level of

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what this country is trying to produce.

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They feel like they're being left out,

and that because of that is is it's

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:

wrong because they're not being left out.

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In fact, the opposite, I think.

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But they got that feeling and that

feeling of rejection that my, my

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being white Anglo-Saxon Protestant

is not good because it's minorities.

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We, it got to be so bad that racism

become, again, a question mark.

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Racism in this country should

not even be a question mark.

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We are built of a country of immigrants.

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We are built of a country with different

opinions and ideas of why we have podcasts

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:

like this, but it's how we accept it.

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:

And the problem is that those white

males have always been quote on

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top, and now they have a loss of

status and they feel humiliated.

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And so they feel the only way they can

reach out and reach and become to come

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:

back to it is through anger and violence.

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You saw that in Charleston, right?

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You saw that in some of these very

racist places that had, and I'm not

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saying that this are very racist areas.

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I'm saying that there were racist pockets.

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It's interesting.

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:

I was listening to a podcast

yesterday of an FBI agent who

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:

had infiltrated a lot of these.

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:

These cults and especially

very very racist cults.

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And what they all had in

common was one thing, right?

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:

It was like, as a kid playing King of

the Hill, they all wanted to be top dog.

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They all were loaded down with weapons.

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:

And the question that he always

asked, he was asked because

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he was undercover, right?

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:

And he had to do all these crazy things.

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:

He was talking about

killing a goat, right?

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:

He's I didn't wanna kill a goat.

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:

They didn't sacrifice a goat.

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:

And all of a sudden he realized

how easy it was to be manipulated.

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:

He didn't have to kill the goat.

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He was happy about that.

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:

But he said that he had to do

things because he was undercover,

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:

that he just didn't see it.

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:

And he was like, wow.

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I see how fast and the speed of

integration of I am accepting

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of things that are violent.

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And all of a sudden, these people,

these kids that are gravitating to

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:

these violent cults and it makes it

very easy because they're accepting.

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:

And they're being accepted

at the wrong places.

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:

The wrong, but the problem is they

weren't really committing any quote

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:

his, in his words, federal crime.

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:

So he couldn't really take em down.

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But he said over, over the years, as

they committed federal crimes, he would

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take them in and they were very shocked.

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'cause he had he, he didn't come in

with a, wearing a suit and a vest, and

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:

his gun on his hip looked like a G-Man.

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:

He came in with a big old beer

and then shaved his head and he

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:

looked like just one of them and

joined them and became part of 'em.

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:

And he said, you know what?

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:

I had to mentally detox from all of that.

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:

it's not the, when I say the mental

aspect of this, even the good people

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:

who had to do good things also got a

little warped as they went through that

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:

process and became part of that process.

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:

So it takes time.

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:

But once they're deprogrammed

and reprogrammed, another way it

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:

becomes part of that psyche and the

psyche grows is their numbers grow.

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:

And that, that became part of the problem.

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:

And it was very eye-opening to me.

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:

And what I found out was it was

every single day that they went

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:

to the gun range, they went

every day to the gun range.

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:

He said it didn't matter what

cult it was, they went to the gun

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:

range and they practice shooting.

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:

Okay when you go to the gun

range, you used bullets, right?

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:

So if you see an inordinate number

of bullets being purchased, why

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:

that can see something that we

could stop, that is a trigger.

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:

We know, Hey, look if you are a gun owner,

and I haven't purchased ammo in years.

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:

I don't even know how, I probably

don't even know how to do it anymore.

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:

But when you're buying thousands and

hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of

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:

rounds you're, and you're the gun range

and you're buying hundreds of thousands

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:

of dollars and you're not part of the

gun range itself, you're something else.

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:

There you go.

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:

These are real questions and

real answers and real things

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:

that we can look at, right?

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:

The federal government should be

going, okay, wait, why is this pla

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:

they're not doing anything wrong.

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:

They're just shooting up a round

target to target practicing.

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:

Why are you practicing your targets?

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:

How many bullet shots do you need

in order to be better and the best?

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:

When we look at the police departments

they're only required every once

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:

in a while to go to the gun range.

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:

They're not required all the time to go,

so they're not practicing to be better.

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:

Okay.

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:

You get the picture right,

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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:

Yeah, totally.

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:

So if you were in the room right now with

the head of the NRA and or the head of

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:

the biggest gun control group, what is

one trade you would force them to make?

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Steven Orr: stop taking

money from gun manufacturers.

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Because they have one reason to sell

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that gun.

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Jerremy: oh boy.

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:

Yeah.

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:

Steven Orr: So when you, and look, and

I look as a gun owner myself, they're

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:

not advocating for the better Right?

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:

Now that's easier said than done.

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:

When you, and you look at the NRA

in general and of itself, Pierre

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:

himself is, was disgraced, right?

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:

He had to leave as president of the NRA.

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:

Why?

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:

He took money.

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:

He wasn't quite up in the up and up.

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:

Okay.

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:

When you look at the NRA and listen, my

parents have been a member of the NRA

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for years, and they were for many years.

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:

I and I, but it changed itself, the

philosophy no matter what, as and

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:

it's interesting, Jerremy, I was in a.

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I was in a movie theater one time, and I

was watching believe it or not, I got to

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:

watch Titanic is what the, and we did it.

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:

I'm I got to watch the TI movie Titanic.

688

:

And in the movie was Charleston

Heston in the movie theater.

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:

And I'm like, I, you know

me, I'm gonna go walk over.

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:

I'm gonna say something to him.

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:

And the first thing I, he goes he

came up to me and shook my hand.

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:

I said, hi, my name is Steven.

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:

Or and I just wanna say, Hey,

I've seen all your movies.

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:

Obviously.

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:

He was a member of the NRA.

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:

He was a, he said, you

will never take my gun.

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:

You'll pry it from my dead cold hand.

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:

Okay, I understand that.

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:

But he did not grow up with

weapons of bump stocks.

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:

He didn't have weapons that were

high powered militaristic weapons

701

:

only designed for one thing to kill.

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:

He loved his shotgun and he had a pistol.

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:

He talked about it all the time.

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:

I have nothing wrong with that.

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:

I believe that everybody should

have shotguns and rifles and

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handguns if that's your thing.

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:

But people are not responsible.

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And if people aren't responsible,

you take them away from people.

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:

You don't take it from the

prying for their cold dead hands.

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:

You take it before it's

their cold dead hand.

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:

You take it when they have and

they display mental issues.

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:

You take it from them when they are

beating their wives because their

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:

frustration, you take it from them

when there are issues that we see

714

:

written or in social media long

before the problems ever happen.

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:

So I would tell the NRA invest

and help in mental institutions.

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:

I.

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Explain why they shouldn't be using

those weapons when they have problems.

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It's should be the last resort

and not the first resort.

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And the NRA goes and says, okay,

it's gonna be the first resort.

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:

Oh, that's how you protect the

world because you, if I have

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a gun, the bad guy has a gun.

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'cause bad guys are gonna have

guns, I've gotta have a gun.

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:

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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And we know that.

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:

And that's a, it's a very

cliche-ish adage, but it's true.

726

:

When you look at the people that

actually I just talked about

727

:

it, go to the gun range every

single day to practice to shoot.

728

:

And they have a responsible gun owner

to home who probably hasn't pulled out

729

:

their nine millimeter or 38 and said,

okay, I'm gonna go practice shooting.

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:

All of a sudden they don't even

know how to use that weapon.

731

:

So now you've created gun violence

without having to create gun violence.

732

:

And I would tell people in the NRA,

alright, not only spend money on

733

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mental issues, but also on how to.

734

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Safety on how to use that gun on

classes, that in order to have

735

:

this gun, you must be able to pass.

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:

We have to have classes in order

to be able to drive down the road.

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:

Jerremy: Yeah.

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Steven Orr: Why not have you, you have

to be able to pass background checks.

739

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I know when I go to New York soccer

check, I've had background checks,

740

:

NASDAQ, I have background checks.

741

:

There's a microscope that is up my behind.

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:

Why don't we have those?

743

:

If you're gonna be a

responsible gun owner, great.

744

:

You should have a responsible

check at least once every 10 years.

745

:

And guess what?

746

:

When you get a passport, when

it's renewed, you have a check,

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:

you have to have renewals.

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:

So why isn't that a problem?

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:

And that you're gonna, then,

you're gonna hear a pushback

750

:

from the gun lobby going, oh no.

751

:

We don't need a responsible gunner.

752

:

Don't need to be background

checked all the time.

753

:

The hell they don't.

754

:

'cause things happen in their lives,

divorces happen in their lives.

755

:

People die.

756

:

Mental changes.

757

:

We see issues all the time.

758

:

That changes over time.

759

:

I have no problem with that.

760

:

And I'm actually pro for that too.

761

:

Dave: I,

762

:

Jerremy: go ahead Dave.

763

:

I.

764

:

Dave: Gimme a little leeway.

765

:

I'm gonna try and figure out what this

question is, but there's like a, there's

766

:

a little bit of nannys that I try to

figure out where that line is, because,

767

:

we can talk about mental health all we

want, and there's millions of Americans

768

:

drowning themselves in alcohol, hooked

on pills, obliterated on weed, completely

769

:

distracted with online gambling and porn.

770

:

Yeah, we're talking about guns here

and how it can affect other people,

771

:

but all of those other things are as

destructive, even way more destructive,

772

:

like there are people dying every day

of those in huge quantities that we

773

:

do not see in in gun or gun violence.

774

:

And I feel like, like we're putting

a lot of political capital on

775

:

things that don't particularly work.

776

:

Steven Orr: Yeah,

777

:

Dave: I don't know if there's a

question in there, but I don't know.

778

:

Wait.

779

:

Where, what should we be asking

our political leaders to do?

780

:

Steven Orr: step up.

781

:

Flat out, they need to step up.

782

:

If you look at the major issues right

now in front of Congress, in front of

783

:

the White House, gun violence isn't on

the top 30, but yet school shootings, if

784

:

I told people how many school shootings

there were is over two thousands.

785

:

Over 2000, you would think

that would affect every member

786

:

of Congress, the president.

787

:

It would definitely affect mayors

and governors of those states.

788

:

And yet it's not on the forefront of them.

789

:

What's on the forefront of them?

790

:

War, rumors of wars.

791

:

What are we doing about the economy?

792

:

Gambling on sports.

793

:

Obviously we're seeing a lot of laws

being pushed around marijuana and of

794

:

course I'm not for legislating morality.

795

:

I don't think we as a country

need to legislate morality.

796

:

We need to legislate the psychology

of it, I don't, I, look, I, my

797

:

father being his Baptist minister for

many years thought drugs were bad.

798

:

And yet thinks marijuana might

be help for some people, right?

799

:

Am I gonna legis, are we gonna

legislate the usage of marijuana?

800

:

I think that's silly, right?

801

:

And I don't think marijuana

is not causing gun violence.

802

:

People kill people.

803

:

Guns don't kill people, right?

804

:

And so when we look at responsible

gun owners and we look at responsible

805

:

people in the world and go, what

are they doing differently than the

806

:

other person that isn't responsible?

807

:

That's just it.

808

:

They're being responsible.

809

:

That's it, right?

810

:

So to when you look at members of Congress

and going back to their districts and

811

:

saying, okay, what's on your mind?

812

:

They're, what's on their mind is having

a job, their back pocket politics.

813

:

And if they, and if that's not,

they don't have a job, they

814

:

become part of that problem.

815

:

And then all of a sudden they don't feel

worthy, they're humiliated, they're not

816

:

on top, and they divulge into the problem.

817

:

And then all of a sudden they, it's

like breaking bad or breaking down.

818

:

And they're they spiral outta control.

819

:

All of that can be stopped very quickly.

820

:

So when I tell a member of Congress

and I've had the unusual life, I think

821

:

most people say because of being on the

intersection of politics and government

822

:

and White House and Washington and

of course finance and DC and New

823

:

York and having access to some of the

smartest people in the world, they

824

:

don't always have the answers, why?

825

:

Because they're better themselves.

826

:

Jerremy: Yeah, that, that's actually

a interesting question that could

827

:

potentially be a too large of a

segue, but I'll ask it either way.

828

:

Steven, do you think there should be some.

829

:

Requirement for someone to be in Congress

or the Senate, or obviously president

830

:

from a monetary standpoint, as an

example, you need to have $5 million

831

:

liquid before even entering into this

position because then the likelihood that

832

:

they're gonna be taking money and trying

to simply better themselves would most

833

:

likely decrease because they already have

enough to sustain them and their families

834

:

Steven Orr: No.

835

:

Jerremy: because.

836

:

Steven Orr: No, because the framers

of the Constitution were very

837

:

clear about what they wanted.

838

:

They said two years for a

member of Congress of the house

839

:

and six years for the Senate.

840

:

And the reason that they said that was

because they wanted those members to go

841

:

to back to their respective districts

and come back and report every two years.

842

:

And that, that tied them

to the people as a senator.

843

:

It, it let them freed them from the people

every six years so that they could make

844

:

up their own minds about what's best for

the country and made it to two per state.

845

:

When you look at the amount of

money in Congress, there's a lot.

846

:

All right, if you wanna stop that, if you

wanna stop payments and I, in my case,

847

:

PAC money, when I look at PAC money, who's

paying who and who's getting elected?

848

:

Jerremy: exactly.

849

:

Steven Orr: The first question you have

to ask is who is writing the checks?

850

:

Is it the oil companies

writing big checks in Texas?

851

:

Yes.

852

:

Is it the gun lobbying, writing big checks

for members that are very open about that.

853

:

Tennessee, good example of that.

854

:

Yes.

855

:

Is housing in Florida and housing

in California and housing.

856

:

Yes.

857

:

But when you start to pull away

that money from members of Congress,

858

:

then that takes away anybody

running for member of Congress.

859

:

A OC when she ran, was probably the most

broke person ever to run for Congress.

860

:

And Juan in New York.

861

:

Now she has money.

862

:

I don't know how she got it.

863

:

I do.

864

:

And you think about it,

she was a bartender, right?

865

:

So we don't, we, regardless of her

thoughts and her politics, and of

866

:

course I'm middle of the road, right?

867

:

And I'm very, I don't really

care about either side anymore.

868

:

I care more about their, what

they think and how they vote.

869

:

And we're seeing a

separation of how they vote.

870

:

They have to all vote Republican

or all vote for Democrat.

871

:

You wanna change that?

872

:

Have more political parties, you

wanna change that, have it where

873

:

money at the national parties

aren't controlling the narrative.

874

:

So when you look at money in

general, you have to think,

875

:

okay, how do they get the money?

876

:

PAC money usually goes, flows

into the general funds, right?

877

:

The DNC or the D ccc democratic

Congressional Campaign Committee,

878

:

or the RRNC or the RCC, it

flows right through that.

879

:

So they make the decisions of where that

money goes and what districts need more

880

:

money and who has a chance of winning.

881

:

And the idea to con continue

to keep the majority right.

882

:

That was never the intention of

the framers of the Constitution.

883

:

The framers wanted to know

what the people wanted.

884

:

They knew the one thing that the

framers of the Constitution knew was

885

:

that they didn't know everything.

886

:

They make that they made mistakes

and that the country would

887

:

grow and that the country would

in, in turn over time expand.

888

:

And they wanted to make it for amendments.

889

:

And if you think about the framing

of the constitution, gun rights were

890

:

never put in the original Constitution.

891

:

And it wasn't even the first Amendment.

892

:

It was the second Amendment because

they realized they had made a

893

:

mistake and they said, okay,

there, there are gun ownership.

894

:

And we just fought a revolutionary war.

895

:

So we did not let have, we don't

wanna have guns just in the hands of

896

:

governments and the king in that case.

897

:

So that's how we started out with guns.

898

:

And gun violence wasn't even a thing.

899

:

Wait, yeah, it was.

900

:

'cause we had the civil war.

901

:

Yeah.

902

:

It was because we had the west.

903

:

Yeah, it was, and guess what it became

unruly gun violence was, it's nothing new.

904

:

The only thing that was different is

how the weapon that was actually made.

905

:

Winchester made it.

906

:

Winchester is the reason that the civil

war finally ended in a lot of ways because

907

:

the way that the weapon was made, right?

908

:

It became a revolver that was faster

and faster, a repeater and how the

909

:

gun was shot and the grains inside the

ammunition, it got bigger and bigger.

910

:

It's why we call 'em 30

eights and 40 fours, right?

911

:

It's the amount of grain

that's in the weapon, right?

912

:

And so when you look at that,

guns got bigger and faster.

913

:

The Gatlin gun changed wars.

914

:

When you look at the Civil War in

general it was the co it was the North

915

:

who won because of the ability to ma

mass produce weapons and mass produce

916

:

it and get things to the front line.

917

:

The South probably would've what had it

had, they had a bigger supply line, right?

918

:

So guns aren't just a problem.

919

:

It's the people, it's the thought

process and it's the angst in the south.

920

:

That was the angst of racism.

921

:

In the west, it was

angst of, racism, right?

922

:

They think about it in general.

923

:

If you think about in California,

they didn't want the Chinese.

924

:

And because of that, opium was a big deal.

925

:

So it's not, it's about masking the

ma the major bigger overall problem.

926

:

If we stop masking the problem

and get down the nitty gritty like

927

:

these kind of podcasts do, then

may, maybe we won't have as many

928

:

problems if we did fund mental health.

929

:

If we did fund the

930

:

vi the va.

931

:

Like we should, if we do stop

those problems before they happen,

932

:

we won't have these problems.

933

:

And yeah, I get it.

934

:

People are gonna say, that's

just easier said than done.

935

:

But if you're in the community and you

know those people that are causing the

936

:

problems well and you are in the blue

line, shall we say, stop letting them out

937

:

in the, in, at the judges' levels, stop

slapping small fines on them and sitting

938

:

them back out on the road to commit.

939

:

It's interesting.

940

:

The lady that was on the New York

subway system that was accosted.

941

:

It was about minding her own business.

942

:

That guy had over 30 felonies on him.

943

:

How did he get back out?

944

:

When I worked for the administration,

it was three strike and you're out.

945

:

I agree with that.

946

:

If you could, one, okay.

947

:

You made a mistake.

948

:

You can correct yourself and, but you

make a, make amends to the person you

949

:

offended and really make amends to it.

950

:

But we don't do that anymore.

951

:

We don't really push them anymore.

952

:

It's too lenient If you, if

we, if gun owners, when they

953

:

argument the NRA is correct.

954

:

We already have these laws.

955

:

We didn't enforce them

and make it more punitive.

956

:

We don't, oh, let's let 'em

back out and they'll be fine.

957

:

They'll be okay.

958

:

They're not okay.

959

:

Until a psychologist says they're okay.

960

:

They're not okay until

they, they actually are.

961

:

Okay.

962

:

Jerremy: Yeah.

963

:

What's the combination between

let's say the A TF and the NRA?

964

:

Because I feel like both are

pretty toothless, essentially.

965

:

Like, where are they coming in

and how are they using their money

966

:

or using their influence or using

their power or their connection?

967

:

Or, you used the word

Rolodex earlier, why?

968

:

Why aren't they actually doing anything

to either stop the flow of illegal

969

:

weapons or to stop school shootings or to

implement better mental health strategies?

970

:

Steven Orr: Money.

971

:

It's clear and simple.

972

:

It's money, it's packed money

to the NRA, it's packed money.

973

:

And no, look, I can say the old adage

that, when you look at people in

974

:

general, why do bad things happen?

975

:

'cause good people don't step up, right?

976

:

When I just watched the

Nuremberg trials again, and.

977

:

That movie, it's 'cause

good people didn't step up.

978

:

When good people do step up that's

when things actually get taken care of.

979

:

But you're not really seeing that.

980

:

'cause we're all too busy

working, we're all too busy.

981

:

We don't really see it until

we see the five o'clock news

982

:

Jerremy: Gotcha.

983

:

So Steven, to give us a vision of

5, 10, 15 years from now, what would

984

:

be an uncomfortable truth that gun

owners need to swallow to save lives?

985

:

And what does the uncomfortable truth

reformers need to swallow to save rights?

986

:

Steven Orr: lock those guns up know

who's using that gun to the person

987

:

that believes in no guns on at all.

988

:

Do you really wanna be taken

over by a foreign country?

989

:

Do you really wanna be another victim?

990

:

I think both sides need to come together

and say, look there's truth on both sides.

991

:

Come together, understand

each other's position.

992

:

It's not all or nothing.

993

:

And that's just that's not just human

gun violence, but it's on everything.

994

:

It's not all

995

:

or nothing.

996

:

We all have, we have differing

opinions, so what makes

997

:

America so great?

998

:

But we need to understand each

other's opinions and come together

999

:

have, have conferences where

this is actually talked about.

:

00:50:57,874 --> 00:51:01,684

But if you have conferences where

it's just screaming at each other,

:

00:51:02,014 --> 00:51:03,484

you can never take my gun from me.

:

00:51:03,484 --> 00:51:06,874

And you can never, oh, I, nobody wants,

nobody's taking your gun from you.

:

00:51:07,234 --> 00:51:08,345

That's just silly talk.

:

00:51:08,594 --> 00:51:10,874

You still, every person who's ever

said, you've taken my gun from me.

:

00:51:11,264 --> 00:51:12,464

Their gun hasn't gone on.

:

00:51:13,124 --> 00:51:15,984

And the person who says it's the person

with a gun that causes all the violence.

:

00:51:16,044 --> 00:51:16,854

No, it's not.

:

00:51:17,784 --> 00:51:18,714

It's really not.

:

00:51:19,479 --> 00:51:23,299

And those two sides need to come together

and actually have a complete discussion.

:

00:51:23,384 --> 00:51:25,184

I don't mean like a, an hour or two.

:

00:51:25,184 --> 00:51:29,204

I'm talking about weeks and months

discussions about come up with real

:

00:51:29,204 --> 00:51:31,304

legislation, real understanding.

:

00:51:31,364 --> 00:51:32,984

But nobody wants to do that

because we're all too busy.

:

00:51:32,984 --> 00:51:33,884

And I understand that.

:

00:51:33,944 --> 00:51:35,354

I'm, we're all busy people.

:

00:51:35,354 --> 00:51:37,400

We but are we too busy to stop violence?

:

00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:37,850

Nope.

:

00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:39,770

Are we too busy to stop?

:

00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:40,970

Are kids getting killed?

:

00:51:41,029 --> 00:51:41,509

Nope.

:

00:51:42,020 --> 00:51:46,910

Are we too busy to help a student

that needs help or mental issues?

:

00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:47,390

Nope.

:

00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:49,490

So there is a reason to do both.

:

00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:50,990

Dave: So in.

:

00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:54,490

Jesus,:

:

00:51:54,490 --> 00:51:56,860

What does gun ownership

look like in America?

:

00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:00,470

Steven Orr: I think when you look

at gun ownership and you're talking

:

00:52:00,470 --> 00:52:02,930

about 10 years in the future,

I don't think that's enough.

:

00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,110

I think gun ownership probably

won't change, especially not

:

00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:07,520

for the next three years.

:

00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,770

I don't know that there's enough

people that are standing up yet.

:

00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:14,290

There's just not enough mayhem

yet to make that happen.

:

00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,670

We we opened our eyes up to the, it

was eye opening for Columbine, and

:

00:52:18,670 --> 00:52:22,570

then it became a copycats and we

saw it over and over again, and it

:

00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:24,170

got the number of school shootings.

:

00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:27,680

And I harken back to that in:

:

00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,030

If I told you there were only.

:

00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,510

Nine gun shoots shot on a school.

:

00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:38,660

It wasn't until:

then by 2019 it was over a hundred,

:

00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:41,810

and then by:

:

00:52:42,050 --> 00:52:45,080

So there was an escalation

of school violence.

:

00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:49,370

But when you look at school violence

coming down, now this time it's 233.

:

00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,530

It's not the was the year

before that, it was 336.

:

00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,190

So now it's becoming

out of sight outta mind.

:

00:52:55,910 --> 00:53:00,020

But it's not 30 and 40 that we used

to, that we thought of as normal.

:

00:53:00,050 --> 00:53:01,400

It is coming down.

:

00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:06,530

If you look at:

and prayer is that it's zero.

:

00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,170

But that's not what's gonna happen.

:

00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:11,560

There's always gonna be a slip of the

cracks kind of situations, unfortunately.

:

00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:18,170

By:

in order to stop gun violence faster.

:

00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,950

We might be able to find those people

that, that write things on social media

:

00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:24,290

who say things that are out of the norm.

:

00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:30,560

We might be able to use technology to say,

okay, this person is not quite all there.

:

00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,330

We need to keep our eye on this person.

:

00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:36,670

We can look, say, okay there's a cult

growing in the middle of this state.

:

00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,230

Let's keep our eye on that.

:

00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:42,610

And like that FBI agent that I saw

that listened to the Apple podcast, hey

:

00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:45,640

maybe there'd be more of those people

that are infiltrating and diffusing the

:

00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,590

situations before they happen, right?

:

00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:49,030

There's preventative measures.

:

00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:53,410

So I think in:

preventative measures, but do I think

:

00:53:53,410 --> 00:53:55,870

it will affect the number of casualties?

:

00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:56,650

I don't know.

:

00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:57,760

That's a great question.

:

00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,880

I hope that it we do, but

I don't think we will.

:

00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,940

Jerremy: I can say this, and

Dave brought it up well earlier

:

00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:07,100

about the main issue, right?

:

00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,080

Being boys essentially.

:

00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:09,770

Very angry.

:

00:54:10,685 --> 00:54:11,345

Not men.

:

00:54:11,345 --> 00:54:14,285

They can be grown, but

they are boys internally.

:

00:54:14,375 --> 00:54:20,495

They are individuals or men with

very with very large pain caverns,

:

00:54:20,555 --> 00:54:28,705

and they're using pain to fill that

cavern in most school shootings.

:

00:54:28,945 --> 00:54:34,825

I will say that a lot of them are

one v one gang related violence.

:

00:54:35,425 --> 00:54:39,265

And the school shootings, especially

the numbers that you're listing,

:

00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:45,145

the mass school shootings are

absolutely without question, in

:

00:54:45,145 --> 00:54:47,245

my personal opinion, solvable.

:

00:54:47,875 --> 00:54:52,345

Those are the ones that can become

zero, and the only way it can

:

00:54:52,345 --> 00:54:56,965

become zero in my personal opinion,

is to address certain aspects of.

:

00:54:57,355 --> 00:55:04,255

Mental health and to use very important

data allocation and data awareness

:

00:55:04,255 --> 00:55:07,135

of, like you said, when someone is

posting, when someone is sharing, when

:

00:55:07,135 --> 00:55:11,855

someone is saying certain things, that

person has to be monitored a little

:

00:55:12,026 --> 00:55:12,516

Steven Orr: Correct.

:

00:55:12,965 --> 00:55:15,685

Jerremy: And if someone's in school

and they're eight years old and their

:

00:55:15,685 --> 00:55:19,375

dad's a military veteran and that

8-year-old has heard something in

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00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:22,255

their house and they say, I'm gonna

bring a gun to school and shoot a

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00:55:22,255 --> 00:55:27,815

bunch of people, that child is gonna

be monitored very closely for a decade.

:

00:55:28,815 --> 00:55:32,015

And I know it's unfortunate, but

those are certain things when you

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00:55:32,015 --> 00:55:37,305

are, when you say that in a school

that is an act of violence, that is

:

00:55:37,305 --> 00:55:41,655

a forethought of this is something

that I could potentially be planning.

:

00:55:41,655 --> 00:55:42,975

And they need to have counseling.

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00:55:42,975 --> 00:55:44,085

They need to be loved on.

:

00:55:44,085 --> 00:55:45,225

They need to be cared for.

:

00:55:45,555 --> 00:55:47,355

They need to be placed in certain they.

:

00:55:48,355 --> 00:55:53,485

Meditation classes where they can

talk and they can breathe and they

:

00:55:53,485 --> 00:55:56,515

can get their frustration out because

you use the word bullying a lot

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00:55:56,566 --> 00:55:59,646

And in the earlier comments and that's

definitely something that's happening.

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00:55:59,646 --> 00:56:05,016

So I agree with the future

being a much brighter, much

:

00:56:05,046 --> 00:56:06,936

lower number school shootings.

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00:56:06,966 --> 00:56:10,416

I also agree Steven, that I don't

believe it can ever be truly

:

00:56:10,416 --> 00:56:14,586

absolutely zero, where no one in

the United States dies from a gun.

:

00:56:15,576 --> 00:56:20,976

But I do believe that it can be something

where the mass shootings in schools do

:

00:56:20,976 --> 00:56:23,436

reach a level of absolutely not happening.

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00:56:24,417 --> 00:56:24,807

Steven Orr: right.

:

00:56:25,387 --> 00:56:29,867

It's interesting when we look at social

media today when you look at, when you

:

00:56:29,867 --> 00:56:34,697

look at how it escalated, and we can talk

about the copycat side of things, we can

:

00:56:34,697 --> 00:56:37,157

talk about the social media aspect of it.

:

00:56:37,487 --> 00:56:41,777

We can talk about the online communities

that nurture this kind of violence.

:

00:56:42,587 --> 00:56:45,137

One of the things that

you always hear from.

:

00:56:45,512 --> 00:56:49,322

The experts, shall we say, they

always say, don't name the person

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00:56:49,412 --> 00:56:51,247

in the that was the shooter.

:

00:56:51,247 --> 00:56:54,067

Don't name the shooter, don't put

their name out there because they're

:

00:56:54,067 --> 00:56:55,387

looking for that recognition.

:

00:56:55,637 --> 00:56:57,107

Because they can't get it any other way.

:

00:56:57,827 --> 00:57:03,767

A lot of times we miss the reasoning

behind the actual why the kid has been

:

00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:07,907

isolated or pushed himself to that because

we don't understand what his gifts are.

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00:57:08,747 --> 00:57:09,797

What do I mean by that?

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00:57:09,877 --> 00:57:14,467

We miss them because in our schools,

we think of schools as, okay, they're

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00:57:14,467 --> 00:57:17,797

in K class, they're in first grade,

they're in second grade, and we have

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00:57:17,797 --> 00:57:19,147

to teach 'em these certain things.

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00:57:19,147 --> 00:57:19,807

ABCs.

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00:57:19,807 --> 00:57:21,757

We gotta teach 'em numbers in this class.

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00:57:21,757 --> 00:57:22,867

We've gotta teach multiplication.

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00:57:22,867 --> 00:57:25,087

In this case, we've gotta

teach 'em health education.

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00:57:25,087 --> 00:57:29,617

In this class, what we forget is

that we don't always fit in boxes

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00:57:30,617 --> 00:57:34,457

and sometimes we have other issues

that, that are go on around us.

:

00:57:35,457 --> 00:57:36,927

Father and mother aren't together.

:

00:57:37,167 --> 00:57:40,376

We have issues of, in your case

you talked about earlier, right?

:

00:57:40,436 --> 00:57:43,076

Dis disproportionate number,

amount of finances, maybe

:

00:57:43,076 --> 00:57:45,076

poor people or middle class.

:

00:57:45,406 --> 00:57:47,926

That adds to all of it, right?

:

00:57:48,106 --> 00:57:52,426

So when you look at those things,

they're looking to break out of it.

:

00:57:52,606 --> 00:57:56,896

They see the Mark Zuckerbergs and

the Elon Musks, and I can be that.

:

00:57:57,136 --> 00:57:58,426

I don't need to go to college.

:

00:57:58,426 --> 00:58:00,466

I can be rich, I can be famous.

:

00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:03,046

I see the influencers on, I can do that.

:

00:58:03,406 --> 00:58:05,116

I can be all of that.

:

00:58:05,356 --> 00:58:09,166

And when they realize that they

can't, that begins the humiliation,

:

00:58:09,166 --> 00:58:13,876

the isolationism that begins the

spiraling Look, none of this is premed.

:

00:58:13,876 --> 00:58:15,916

Most of the school shootings

are not premeditated evil.

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00:58:16,246 --> 00:58:21,766

It's just it's when you don't recognize

the symptoms, we, if we could start and

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00:58:21,766 --> 00:58:24,016

lower the media saturation of violence.

:

00:58:24,526 --> 00:58:30,166

All of these things become part of the

narrative as opposed to just the answer.

:

00:58:30,646 --> 00:58:33,826

And this in a way that we

just need to tamp it all down.

:

00:58:33,946 --> 00:58:35,836

Just stop the chaos.

:

00:58:36,196 --> 00:58:39,961

And I think a lot of people will just

slow that roll down a little bit and

:

00:58:39,961 --> 00:58:41,581

we can catch it before it happens.

:

00:58:42,121 --> 00:58:44,071

Because I think if we catch

it before it happens, the law

:

00:58:44,071 --> 00:58:45,711

enforcement never even shows up.

:

00:58:45,711 --> 00:58:47,211

They don't need to law.

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00:58:47,241 --> 00:58:49,401

When you get law enforcement

involved, it's already at the

:

00:58:49,401 --> 00:58:50,811

last, it's at the last resort.

:

00:58:50,841 --> 00:58:54,261

There's a reason why law enforcement

has to step in because nobody

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00:58:54,261 --> 00:58:55,281

else stopped it to begin with.

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00:58:56,281 --> 00:58:59,611

Dave: There's something that I'm hearing

from, actually from both of you, is that

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00:58:59,701 --> 00:59:05,761

there's a, in the solution here, there's

a level of surveillance, whether it's

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00:59:05,821 --> 00:59:13,331

online, social media, in schools, it's

buying ammo, it's monitoring, and I'm.

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00:59:13,941 --> 00:59:17,451

There's a little bit of queasiness that

comes into me on that, like putting that

:

00:59:17,451 --> 00:59:22,101

in the hands of government or in the

hands, even worse of private companies.

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00:59:22,161 --> 00:59:26,361

And these are areas where it, we're

talking about parents, we're talking about

:

00:59:26,361 --> 00:59:28,461

communities, we're talking about family.

:

00:59:28,491 --> 00:59:29,931

We're talking about culture.

:

00:59:29,961 --> 00:59:34,791

These are all soft skills

that take decades to nurture.

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00:59:35,461 --> 00:59:36,541

Is that government?

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00:59:36,571 --> 00:59:41,321

Government shouldn't be in that job,

it, and it shouldn't be making it worse.

:

00:59:42,321 --> 00:59:46,261

It's more of a statement than anything

else, but like that, that, that

:

00:59:46,261 --> 00:59:47,971

level of technology and surveillance.

:

00:59:47,971 --> 00:59:50,791

I hear you and I, it's

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00:59:50,841 --> 00:59:51,891

Steven Orr: We already have it, Dave.

:

00:59:51,891 --> 00:59:54,141

The level of technology and

surveillance is already here.

:

00:59:54,141 --> 00:59:54,201

You

:

00:59:54,201 --> 00:59:56,811

can't walk in any store without

having facial recognition.

:

00:59:57,201 --> 00:59:59,481

The question is not the,

do we have the technology?

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00:59:59,481 --> 01:00:02,691

The question is not whether we not,

we are monitoring the situation.

:

01:00:02,691 --> 01:00:05,871

The question is whether or

not the punitive damages the

:

01:00:05,871 --> 01:00:07,611

question mark is always around.

:

01:00:07,661 --> 01:00:11,076

Did we do something about it and

we're not doing something about it?

:

01:00:12,076 --> 01:00:12,676

Jerremy: Yeah.

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01:00:12,726 --> 01:00:13,626

And also Dave too.

:

01:00:13,626 --> 01:00:16,176

Just from what you're mentioning,

like there's always gonna be

:

01:00:16,176 --> 01:00:17,706

some level of monitoring that.

:

01:00:17,706 --> 01:00:21,256

It could be a private company, it could

be I do agree that it shouldn't be a

:

01:00:21,256 --> 01:00:25,306

government aspect, but it could also be

a nonprofit, it could be an organization

:

01:00:25,306 --> 01:00:33,806

that is, is there to, for simply the

monitoring of the human safety, right?

:

01:00:33,886 --> 01:00:35,416

The human experiment.

:

01:00:35,416 --> 01:00:40,146

That is, let's make sure that many people

are having these conversations and just

:

01:00:40,146 --> 01:00:42,756

being aware that it actually is the issue.

:

01:00:42,756 --> 01:00:44,016

That it actually is the problem.

:

01:00:44,016 --> 01:00:48,576

Where the more data that we sift

through, the more we easily recognize

:

01:00:49,116 --> 01:00:51,726

that there is going to be some level of.

:

01:00:52,726 --> 01:00:54,886

An educational change, right?

:

01:00:54,886 --> 01:00:57,466

Because at the very, very beginning

of this, the very onset of this,

:

01:00:57,466 --> 01:01:01,846

the earliest stages of all of the

tracking, of all the data, of all the

:

01:01:01,846 --> 01:01:07,036

theories, we need to start working

on the awareness of it in school, the

:

01:01:07,036 --> 01:01:08,986

open conversation of it in school.

:

01:01:09,226 --> 01:01:16,036

We need to find ways to address as

early as possible the loneliness,

:

01:01:16,246 --> 01:01:20,536

the isolation that is going to

continue to happen in this country.

:

01:01:20,536 --> 01:01:25,876

With social media, with technology, we

need to embrace and start changing the

:

01:01:25,876 --> 01:01:30,526

dynamic of how kids are communicating

and having conversations in class.

:

01:01:31,156 --> 01:01:34,276

Those are gonna be the big components

they're gonna have to change in order

:

01:01:34,276 --> 01:01:36,166

for the gun control issue to change.

:

01:01:36,556 --> 01:01:40,816

Because as Steven said, it's not an if or

this, it's not a that or this, but what

:

01:01:40,816 --> 01:01:46,486

we, everyone always agrees on all the time

is that the education system is flawed and

:

01:01:46,486 --> 01:01:47,986

broken and old and needs to be updated.

:

01:01:48,001 --> 01:01:51,751

It, and it needs to be, and it needs

to be updated for where we're going

:

01:01:52,111 --> 01:01:55,321

in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years.

:

01:01:55,321 --> 01:01:56,911

Because this country's not going away.

:

01:01:57,001 --> 01:01:58,651

America's never going away.

:

01:01:59,612 --> 01:02:01,472

Are never gonna, guns

are never going away.

:

01:02:02,472 --> 01:02:06,702

what is gonna change is, and what

hasn't changed is how teachers

:

01:02:06,702 --> 01:02:09,972

and students are interacting with

themselves on the majority scale.

:

01:02:10,752 --> 01:02:15,672

And that's the thing that's gonna have

to be updated so that kids, parents,

:

01:02:15,702 --> 01:02:21,522

conversations, discussions, beliefs are

not only shifting and changing, but are

:

01:02:21,522 --> 01:02:25,962

being updated and being tweaked and being

altered so that we can have a bigger,

:

01:02:25,992 --> 01:02:28,872

prosperous, more illustrious future.

:

01:02:29,872 --> 01:02:31,732

Dave: Look I agree with all of that.

:

01:02:31,732 --> 01:02:34,672

I'm still stuck on the

amount of data, the amount of

:

01:02:34,672 --> 01:02:36,382

surveillance, the amount of time.

:

01:02:36,442 --> 01:02:43,042

Look, three planes are flown into

three buildings and $11 trillion

:

01:02:43,042 --> 01:02:47,812

and seven broken countries, and

25 years later with millions dead.

:

01:02:48,172 --> 01:02:51,142

And I'm telling you now,

I don't feel any safer.

:

01:02:51,242 --> 01:02:54,212

We're talking about turning

this eye of sore on.

:

01:02:54,212 --> 01:02:57,242

Onto, our kids and Americans.

:

01:02:57,242 --> 01:03:01,392

And I'm like as much as we're trying

to solve the, make things better, and

:

01:03:01,392 --> 01:03:05,252

the quote unquote, good of this is

like anytime that we put time, money,

:

01:03:05,252 --> 01:03:09,482

and energy towards something, that's

also an opportunity for people to be

:

01:03:09,482 --> 01:03:13,822

manipulated, people to be I dunno, I'm

feeling a little tinfoil hat, but like

:

01:03:13,822 --> 01:03:18,542

I, and maybe a little libertarianism is

is rubbing into me, but I'm, like I, I

:

01:03:18,542 --> 01:03:20,542

keep on seeing example after example.

:

01:03:20,542 --> 01:03:24,702

The older I get is that maybe we

need to live with some of this

:

01:03:24,702 --> 01:03:26,262

rather than try and solve everything.

:

01:03:26,277 --> 01:03:27,297

Steven Orr: Oh, I will never live with it.

:

01:03:27,297 --> 01:03:30,837

Dave, I'll tell you what's interesting

is, and I think that's why we have to

:

01:03:30,837 --> 01:03:32,427

be loud and proud about this stuff.

:

01:03:32,477 --> 01:03:34,607

So many people will say,

don't talk about gun violence.

:

01:03:34,607 --> 01:03:37,007

Don't talk about it 'cause you

don't as a CEO of a company.

:

01:03:37,007 --> 01:03:41,007

But, it's interesting you talk about

nine 11, but had we just stopped

:

01:03:41,007 --> 01:03:45,297

those pilots that wanted to learn

and down in Marathon, Florida, all

:

01:03:45,297 --> 01:03:46,587

they wanted to learn was how to fly.

:

01:03:46,587 --> 01:03:48,177

They didn't care about

how to land the plane.

:

01:03:48,177 --> 01:03:48,357

That

:

01:03:48,357 --> 01:03:49,947

should have been red flags, right?

:

01:03:49,947 --> 01:03:51,567

That could have stopped

at right then and there.

:

01:03:51,927 --> 01:03:52,887

Over it'd been done.

:

01:03:52,917 --> 01:03:55,227

We would've had nine 11, but the world

would've been different place than

:

01:03:55,227 --> 01:03:56,427

today, than it ever would've been.

:

01:03:56,787 --> 01:03:57,387

But we didn't.

:

01:03:57,417 --> 01:04:00,507

It was it's never one thing

that causes the problem.

:

01:04:00,577 --> 01:04:03,007

It's a myriad of things and

it's a cascading of things.

:

01:04:03,337 --> 01:04:05,227

And it was when it spirals out of control.

:

01:04:05,407 --> 01:04:07,267

And right now we're at a

point where we have to.

:

01:04:07,582 --> 01:04:10,432

The fact that we even have to

have a podcast to talk about

:

01:04:10,432 --> 01:04:12,502

this tells you where we are as a

:

01:04:12,502 --> 01:04:13,432

country, right?

:

01:04:13,712 --> 01:04:15,452

And to me, that's great.

:

01:04:15,572 --> 01:04:17,822

And if we have to, it's great

and let's get it done right?

:

01:04:17,852 --> 01:04:19,502

And let's just solve this problem.

:

01:04:19,952 --> 01:04:22,622

Let's get Jerremy elected president

of the United States, right?

:

01:04:22,721 --> 01:04:26,772

But when you look at this, these

problems, all of these triggers that

:

01:04:26,772 --> 01:04:30,652

we knew could have been stopped,

nine 11 would never happened.

:

01:04:31,072 --> 01:04:34,192

It never would've happened had we

had just said, oh, wait a minute.

:

01:04:34,252 --> 01:04:37,342

These guys didn't wanna

learn how to land the plane.

:

01:04:38,302 --> 01:04:42,352

And the guys that taught them how to

taught them a marathon, I guarantee

:

01:04:42,562 --> 01:04:46,072

I'm saying, I bet you some of those

had guns, so guns didn't stop them.

:

01:04:46,432 --> 01:04:51,471

When I look at the next level of

the future, how we're getting there

:

01:04:51,952 --> 01:04:55,702

with the AI and how we interact

with each other social media side.

:

01:04:56,287 --> 01:04:58,596

Social media's changed

over the last 20 years.

:

01:04:59,047 --> 01:05:02,677

It used to be where most people

don't know this, but Facebook was

:

01:05:02,677 --> 01:05:05,587

actually built outta bullying.

:

01:05:06,587 --> 01:05:12,596

Mark Zuckerberg literally built Facebook

because he was tired of being bullied by

:

01:05:12,596 --> 01:05:14,697

girls who didn't want rejected him because

:

01:05:14,697 --> 01:05:15,807

of not dating.

:

01:05:16,807 --> 01:05:17,096

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

01:05:17,846 --> 01:05:18,137

Yeah.

:

01:05:18,913 --> 01:05:19,133

Yep.

:

01:05:19,529 --> 01:05:23,874

Steven Orr: The very bottom of the heart

of the guy who's writing the code for

:

01:05:24,444 --> 01:05:28,834

the world of how we handle Instagram

and social media, that's a trigger.

:

01:05:28,984 --> 01:05:32,864

Now today, he's happily married

with beautiful, kids and a good

:

01:05:32,864 --> 01:05:36,734

life, and that's great, but

that's why he built it right.

:

01:05:37,244 --> 01:05:40,304

And what it grew out of that, the

social media side of all of this,

:

01:05:40,304 --> 01:05:43,454

and I'm very proud of Mark Zuckerberg

and I'm very proud of things.

:

01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:48,254

But we're living in the future of Elon

Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos

:

01:05:48,254 --> 01:05:49,699

because they're the ones riding the coat.

:

01:05:50,699 --> 01:05:54,139

The ones with consciousness and really

wanna make a better place for America,

:

01:05:54,739 --> 01:05:57,769

should be the ones writing the code

should be one that writing in the future.

:

01:05:58,069 --> 01:06:02,329

And right now it seems that it's

narcissistic, that's controlling

:

01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:05,479

the narrative of what's being

built and what's being controlled.

:

01:06:05,779 --> 01:06:09,379

And our social media is literally

being controlled by narcissists.

:

01:06:09,799 --> 01:06:13,949

Look at Fox Business,

look at homes It, right?

:

01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:16,469

They've changed over

the la over the course.

:

01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,619

Look at the narcissism of people

in general who are building things.

:

01:06:19,889 --> 01:06:21,689

And I'm not scared to

say all of this, right?

:

01:06:21,689 --> 01:06:25,199

I think it's, we need to understand

the root of the cause of problems.

:

01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:29,579

So when you look at the next level of

all of this, look at the social media.

:

01:06:29,699 --> 01:06:32,339

Are we putting on those

guardrails that need to happen?

:

01:06:32,339 --> 01:06:35,699

If someone says, trigger words,

are we putting on the guardrails?

:

01:06:35,699 --> 01:06:38,999

If someone says something in behind

the scenes that shouldn't be saying,

:

01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,819

Hey, they're gonna blow something

up, or they're gonna do something,

:

01:06:42,509 --> 01:06:43,979

we should take them seriously.

:

01:06:44,979 --> 01:06:47,529

Because if we don't, then it's

on us as good people saying,

:

01:06:47,529 --> 01:06:50,769

Hey, wait a minute, this guy said

he wants to blow up the school.

:

01:06:50,769 --> 01:06:54,069

So we need to think about what

he said and why did he say it.

:

01:06:54,609 --> 01:06:58,249

He may not he, he may be blustered

just talking, but we don't know that.

:

01:06:58,309 --> 01:07:00,469

So let's find out and then

stop that before it happens.

:

01:07:00,469 --> 01:07:01,038

And guess what?

:

01:07:01,038 --> 01:07:02,269

Then there wouldn't be a school shooting.

:

01:07:03,269 --> 01:07:03,659

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

01:07:04,288 --> 01:07:04,949

Thank you Steven.

:

01:07:04,949 --> 01:07:12,469

So you're gonna love this round

questions, 10 words or less answers,

:

01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:19,139

and they all have a stock market

theme under them, because why not?

:

01:07:19,189 --> 01:07:22,309

That's how you and I create our money,

and, it's fun and it's exciting.

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01:07:22,369 --> 01:07:22,819

All right?

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01:07:23,819 --> 01:07:28,619

Buy or sell the idea that

more guns equals less crime.

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01:07:29,619 --> 01:07:29,909

Steven Orr: sell?

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01:07:30,909 --> 01:07:36,909

Jerremy: What is the number one about

guns in America That everyone gets wrong?

:

01:07:37,909 --> 01:07:39,739

Steven Orr: That guns kill people.

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01:07:39,739 --> 01:07:40,849

Not people kill people.

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01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:42,239

Jerremy: Love it.

:

01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:47,204

What is the most undervalued solution

that nobody is talking about?

:

01:07:48,204 --> 01:07:48,984

Steven Orr: Family unit,

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01:07:49,984 --> 01:07:50,913

Jerremy: There we go.

:

01:07:50,974 --> 01:07:55,864

And if you could force every member

of Congress to watch one video or

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01:07:56,254 --> 01:07:58,259

read one chart, what would it be?

:

01:07:59,259 --> 01:08:04,059

Steven Orr: Palantir, because that

chart is telling the world where

:

01:08:04,059 --> 01:08:08,004

we're going that data is important

and how we're using that data.

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01:08:08,898 --> 01:08:11,628

Jerremy: Very nice, Steven, big

B, or it's always a pleasure, man.

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01:08:11,628 --> 01:08:16,548

Thank you for being so diligent and for

caring and for showing up in a large way.

:

01:08:16,548 --> 01:08:18,497

And thank you always

for your support in me.

:

01:08:18,497 --> 01:08:23,178

And thank you for reaching out on the

phone and talking to me relatively

:

01:08:23,178 --> 01:08:27,408

frequently and just being an incredible

leader in the industry, being a great

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01:08:27,408 --> 01:08:30,798

husband, being a great community member,

being someone who cares not only about

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01:08:30,798 --> 01:08:35,448

politics, but the blending of politics

into the community, into the people around

:

01:08:35,448 --> 01:08:37,968

you, into the online social stratosphere.

:

01:08:38,327 --> 01:08:39,587

You are a force for good, sir.

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01:08:39,587 --> 01:08:40,337

Thank you for your time.

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01:08:41,337 --> 01:08:44,518

Steven Orr: I appreciate all those

kind words, Jerremy and Dave.

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01:08:44,518 --> 01:08:50,978

And when I look at my own self as time,

I always go back to one statement.

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01:08:50,978 --> 01:08:52,598

It takes a village to raise.

:

01:08:52,698 --> 01:08:55,667

We have to understand that

we're not alone in this world.

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01:08:55,997 --> 01:09:00,618

And that every action and reaction

that we create is also a positive

:

01:09:00,618 --> 01:09:02,028

or negative for the world.

:

01:09:02,448 --> 01:09:03,587

A day doesn't go by, that's.

:

01:09:03,678 --> 01:09:07,218

Someone thanks me for mentoring them and

I didn't even know that I mentored them.

:

01:09:07,218 --> 01:09:10,247

And sometimes we don't always

see what our actions do.

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01:09:10,247 --> 01:09:14,298

And so when I look at other people

around the world, it's your actions that,

:

01:09:14,538 --> 01:09:16,788

that define you, not just your words.

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01:09:17,788 --> 01:09:18,207

Jerremy: Yes.

:

01:09:18,837 --> 01:09:20,068

Thank you so much, Steven.

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01:09:20,068 --> 01:09:22,738

I'm sure we will have you

back to get in the future.

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01:09:22,738 --> 01:09:23,908

You rock.

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01:09:24,908 --> 01:09:25,358

Steven Orr: Thanks guys.

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01:09:26,738 --> 01:09:27,098

Jerremy: All right.

:

01:09:27,098 --> 01:09:31,417

DC Dave Conley, we had

a returning guest on.

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01:09:33,398 --> 01:09:34,688

We Love some Steven.

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01:09:36,127 --> 01:09:37,478

We love all of our guests.

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01:09:37,658 --> 01:09:39,068

We love all of our guests.

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01:09:39,158 --> 01:09:40,358

First, returning guest.

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01:09:42,008 --> 01:09:45,053

Dave, what did you learn in that

discussion with Steve Big B or.

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01:09:49,988 --> 01:09:56,088

Dave: I think with, Steven is, he's so

wicked smart and I feel like whenever

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01:09:56,088 --> 01:09:57,948

we hit up one of these hard issues.

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01:09:58,998 --> 01:10:01,308

And there's a lot of energy around it.

:

01:10:01,308 --> 01:10:04,758

And I think there is a lot

of like sides on this one.

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01:10:04,858 --> 01:10:07,858

There's a left to, there's a right,

there's a take all the guns, there's,

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01:10:07,888 --> 01:10:11,918

my rights, there's tyranny, like people

will throw around a lot of words and.

:

01:10:13,028 --> 01:10:16,808

When you drain all that energy out of it

and be like, Hey, this is what's going on.

:

01:10:17,048 --> 01:10:18,848

And I think we started this with that.

:

01:10:18,938 --> 01:10:23,068

It's look, a lot of this gun violence is,

almost all of it is men and young boys.

:

01:10:23,068 --> 01:10:28,438

All of this is suicides and happening in

urban settings and poors, poor people.

:

01:10:28,868 --> 01:10:31,918

Like as soon as we start saying, this

is where we need to put our political

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01:10:31,918 --> 01:10:35,518

energy, and oh, by the way, we are not

putting any political energy on it.

:

01:10:35,518 --> 01:10:38,908

We're not talking about gun violence

at all, and it is an epidemic.

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01:10:39,178 --> 01:10:43,558

So I, I think when you get somebody

like Stephen here, what I learn

:

01:10:43,588 --> 01:10:49,827

is that people do wanna have smart

conversations and people, do have great

:

01:10:49,827 --> 01:10:52,198

solutions, and they're just right there.

:

01:10:52,198 --> 01:10:55,018

And we just have to drain a little

bit of the emotion out of things,

:

01:10:55,018 --> 01:10:57,748

which I think is everywhere.

:

01:10:57,848 --> 01:10:59,768

Like the keyboard warriors are everywhere.

:

01:11:00,158 --> 01:11:02,438

As soon as we start talking about

things, then people are like,

:

01:11:02,438 --> 01:11:03,698

yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

:

01:11:03,768 --> 01:11:04,668

Yeah, we could do that.

:

01:11:04,698 --> 01:11:05,598

Yeah, that's possible.

:

01:11:05,628 --> 01:11:09,168

Like we, we get back into the realm

of possibility again, and that's what

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01:11:09,168 --> 01:11:10,338

I learned from Steven every time.

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01:11:11,202 --> 01:11:11,493

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

01:11:11,923 --> 01:11:12,452

Yeah, man.

:

01:11:12,833 --> 01:11:16,533

Having those big, fun, cool,

powerful conversations.

:

01:11:17,883 --> 01:11:23,118

What I learned, number

one, was that you have a.

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01:11:24,153 --> 01:11:30,423

Gun toting Second Amendment man,

who's yeah, I think there should

:

01:11:30,423 --> 01:11:34,923

be some additional laws around gun

ownership, and I'm okay with it.

:

01:11:35,493 --> 01:11:41,493

I think it makes sense because

I'm willing to concede those the

:

01:11:41,493 --> 01:11:44,283

obligations for what I want to do.

:

01:11:44,283 --> 01:11:45,718

I'm okay to concede certain.

:

01:11:46,577 --> 01:11:52,518

What you, what some people could

call infringement of freedoms into,

:

01:11:52,758 --> 01:11:56,838

alright, for the greater safety and

for to make other people feel safe.

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01:11:56,838 --> 01:11:57,528

I'm down for that.

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01:11:57,528 --> 01:12:03,408

And what all of that means is,

Hey, my name is Jerremy Newsom

:

01:12:03,408 --> 01:12:05,268

and I can't drive or semi-truck.

:

01:12:06,768 --> 01:12:08,208

Why can't I drive a semi-truck?

:

01:12:08,268 --> 01:12:09,948

There's more rights that come with it.

:

01:12:09,948 --> 01:12:10,398

Why?

:

01:12:10,518 --> 01:12:12,618

Why do more rights come with a semi-truck?

:

01:12:12,978 --> 01:12:13,938

They're larger.

:

01:12:14,118 --> 01:12:20,753

They're fa they're not faster, but they

are much more powerful and they can

:

01:12:20,753 --> 01:12:23,243

potentially cause a lot more damage.

:

01:12:23,243 --> 01:12:26,153

A semi jackknifes in a, on an interstate.

:

01:12:27,003 --> 01:12:31,563

Runs over 15 cars versus just

two or three, and now the entire

:

01:12:31,563 --> 01:12:35,073

interstate is backed up for

hours causing a whole impediment.

:

01:12:36,903 --> 01:12:40,143

Why can't I drive this in my truck

without a commercial driver's license?

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01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:46,063

That's why they're, they have

more perpetual motion ultimately.

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01:12:46,873 --> 01:12:47,683

Okay.

:

01:12:48,793 --> 01:12:54,013

So we can do and implement

the exact same thing with.

:

01:12:54,553 --> 01:12:59,148

AR fifteens with semi-automatics

with these huge submachine guns.

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01:12:59,508 --> 01:13:00,018

I have.

:

01:13:00,018 --> 01:13:02,898

I recently went to a gun range,

but it was out in the middle of

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01:13:02,898 --> 01:13:04,608

absolutely nowhere in Nevada.

:

01:13:04,878 --> 01:13:08,028

It's two hour drive from my house,

an hour through the desert, and

:

01:13:08,028 --> 01:13:12,778

we shot these huge, incredible,

like 50 cow, like it was amazing.

:

01:13:13,528 --> 01:13:16,248

But the facility, has licenses.

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01:13:16,248 --> 01:13:17,628

Business licenses.

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01:13:17,868 --> 01:13:19,908

I went through and I asked

the owner like, what type of

:

01:13:19,908 --> 01:13:21,258

like restrictions do you have?

:

01:13:21,258 --> 01:13:23,598

And you're like, oh man, they're

in, they're incredible restrictions.

:

01:13:23,598 --> 01:13:24,258

They're awesome.

:

01:13:24,528 --> 01:13:28,398

Like he was very ha he was excited

about how difficult it was in a way

:

01:13:28,398 --> 01:13:33,198

to run his business because he goes,

no one in their right mind should have

:

01:13:33,258 --> 01:13:36,318

an arsenal like I have personally.

:

01:13:36,978 --> 01:13:38,598

There's no need for it, right?

:

01:13:38,628 --> 01:13:40,338

We I'm here to create entertainment.

:

01:13:40,338 --> 01:13:41,353

Like he was very aware.

:

01:13:42,048 --> 01:13:44,838

Of what he creates and what he's doing.

:

01:13:44,838 --> 01:13:48,318

He has a tank, he has

a flame thrower, right?

:

01:13:48,318 --> 01:13:51,108

And there's so many restrictions

that he goes through and so many

:

01:13:51,108 --> 01:13:52,848

forms he fills out on the regular.

:

01:13:53,148 --> 01:13:56,838

And he also says he's very careful

what he has to say on social media.

:

01:13:56,898 --> 01:14:00,438

He's very aware of what he has

to post and things of that nature

:

01:14:00,438 --> 01:14:03,498

because he has so much weapons on him.

:

01:14:04,218 --> 01:14:07,458

The aspect that Steven brought up to.

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01:14:08,327 --> 01:14:12,388

That I also really understood

to be relevant was, again, just

:

01:14:12,388 --> 01:14:15,808

some type of update, some type

of check, some type of wellness.

:

01:14:16,348 --> 01:14:20,488

Hey, every 10 years someone's life

is gonna change dramatically, right?

:

01:14:20,488 --> 01:14:24,327

You got fired, you got promoted,

you got divorced, you got

:

01:14:24,327 --> 01:14:27,448

remarried, you had a kid, you had

two kids, 10 kids, eight kids.

:

01:14:27,748 --> 01:14:31,348

You have, you want, what's your.

:

01:14:31,933 --> 01:14:37,783

Lifelike 10 years later, and to get a no,

a new gun license, you just have to simply

:

01:14:37,813 --> 01:14:39,702

pop in and let's do a wellness check.

:

01:14:39,702 --> 01:14:40,843

Let's have a conversation.

:

01:14:40,843 --> 01:14:44,923

So these are these discussions that kind

of go back and forth as saying, Hey,

:

01:14:45,553 --> 01:14:51,313

those who want more control, who want more

yeah, who want more laws and restrictions

:

01:14:51,313 --> 01:14:53,053

around guns, we will give those to you.

:

01:14:53,833 --> 01:14:58,093

Do I actually think

that's going to decrease?

:

01:14:58,498 --> 01:15:05,488

One V one gun violence and or public MA

or masculine shootings, I don't think that

:

01:15:05,488 --> 01:15:12,327

those small, tiny changes are going to

impact the bottom line, and that is what

:

01:15:12,628 --> 01:15:16,918

Steven was really just nodding against

head about when I started discussing.

:

01:15:16,918 --> 01:15:19,648

What I have always felt is

probably gonna be the main

:

01:15:19,648 --> 01:15:21,808

root issue of almost any major.

:

01:15:22,963 --> 01:15:27,883

Problem in this country that

affects humans directly is

:

01:15:27,883 --> 01:15:29,143

the educational component.

:

01:15:30,133 --> 01:15:33,943

And as I started going through

the discussion, and I always have

:

01:15:34,243 --> 01:15:39,283

where the more we realize that

the future is rapidly changing.

:

01:15:40,138 --> 01:15:41,788

And it's never going away.

:

01:15:41,788 --> 01:15:46,028

Once we get something as a country

it doesn't just oh, sorry, I forgot

:

01:15:46,028 --> 01:15:47,558

that we shouldn't have done that.

:

01:15:47,558 --> 01:15:49,178

We shouldn't have given you social media.

:

01:15:49,538 --> 01:15:51,158

We shouldn't have given you the internet.

:

01:15:51,158 --> 01:15:52,298

It isolates people.

:

01:15:52,298 --> 01:15:54,577

It bullies people, okay?

:

01:15:54,768 --> 01:15:56,028

That's not ever changing.

:

01:15:56,028 --> 01:15:58,398

Call of Duty is never going away.

:

01:15:58,398 --> 01:16:01,938

These are the, these are things that

are just aren't going to happen.

:

01:16:01,938 --> 01:16:04,788

We're not gonna take away movies,

and we're not gonna take away

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01:16:05,327 --> 01:16:07,158

things that individuals can watch.

:

01:16:08,702 --> 01:16:17,733

Now what we can do is require parents

to be a part of school systems.

:

01:16:18,343 --> 01:16:24,463

Not a lot, Dave, not all the

time, but require mom and dad to

:

01:16:24,463 --> 01:16:32,503

show up, require children to go

through meditation practices and

:

01:16:32,503 --> 01:16:35,023

conversations of discussions.

:

01:16:36,193 --> 01:16:47,548

Heart openings, deliberations, discussions

of who is right, who is wrong, why

:

01:16:49,327 --> 01:16:56,188

create tension, create turmoil, create

animosity, create this tension in a

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01:16:56,188 --> 01:16:58,508

classroom, and then show children how to.

:

01:16:59,608 --> 01:17:04,438

Settle into the tension, how to release

the tension, how f to have it all.

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01:17:04,438 --> 01:17:04,827

Okay.

:

01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:10,318

Where you can still have disagreements

and it's absolutely fine to have

:

01:17:10,318 --> 01:17:13,678

a disagreement and still love

someone else Wholeheartedly.

:

01:17:14,008 --> 01:17:15,628

How you've been married.

:

01:17:16,108 --> 01:17:17,008

I'm married.

:

01:17:17,428 --> 01:17:20,028

How many times did you look

at your spouse and go, I whoa.

:

01:17:20,458 --> 01:17:23,183

We ha we have tension right now.

:

01:17:24,173 --> 01:17:26,693

And now we get to have a conversation.

:

01:17:26,693 --> 01:17:30,423

And I'm not gonna physically alter

have an altercation of any kind.

:

01:17:30,423 --> 01:17:34,113

We're going to discuss,

we're going to have this deep

:

01:17:34,233 --> 01:17:36,363

embodiment of love and protection.

:

01:17:37,883 --> 01:17:41,782

And you know what, dude, that

took me a long time to self-learn.

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01:17:43,673 --> 01:17:44,333

It did.

:

01:17:44,633 --> 01:17:47,993

But these are the changes that can

easily be made because there's certain

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01:17:47,993 --> 01:17:52,523

things that are never going to go away

in this country, and guns is one of them.

:

01:17:53,183 --> 01:17:55,702

Guns is are never going to go away, ever.

:

01:17:55,763 --> 01:17:59,263

And we can have certain restrictions and

we can give the party that really feels

:

01:17:59,263 --> 01:18:00,853

like, yes, that's what we need to do.

:

01:18:01,213 --> 01:18:03,433

But what the data shows is not that.

:

01:18:03,733 --> 01:18:08,083

The data shows that very clearly as the

majority of the deaths are coming from.

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01:18:08,758 --> 01:18:14,458

A very certain select population, and

that generally is because of veterans,

:

01:18:14,818 --> 01:18:20,788

and that is generally because this

country is a war bound world policing.

:

01:18:22,258 --> 01:18:28,438

Monolith that just wants to have all

the oil imaginable for ourselves.

:

01:18:29,068 --> 01:18:39,418

And it is evident to me that both the

NRA and the VA are 100% failing their

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01:18:39,478 --> 01:18:44,938

core customer, their core population

that they are focusing on, that they're

:

01:18:44,938 --> 01:18:47,038

trying to uncover, they're trying to help.

:

01:18:47,038 --> 01:18:48,478

'cause it is a money grab.

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01:18:48,808 --> 01:18:51,718

It is wildly inefficient.

:

01:18:52,077 --> 01:18:57,838

And those, in my personal opinion,

would create much more impactful change.

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01:18:59,338 --> 01:18:59,903

That's what I learned.

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01:19:00,043 --> 01:19:01,603

Dave: I'm a hundred

percent with you on this.

:

01:19:01,603 --> 01:19:06,383

I I feel like the one thing that we

know would work, we're doing none of,

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01:19:06,383 --> 01:19:12,023

and that is like having the equivalent

of health class, like having mental

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01:19:12,023 --> 01:19:14,418

wellbeing not only for yourself but also.

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01:19:15,338 --> 01:19:17,288

For others around you.

:

01:19:17,448 --> 01:19:20,178

And I don't know if it's touchy

or what, like I know when we

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01:19:20,178 --> 01:19:24,168

were talking to teachers they

were like, no, man, increasingly.

:

01:19:25,848 --> 01:19:30,048

Those things, just having recess or

having art class or having, any of

:

01:19:30,048 --> 01:19:34,348

those extracurriculars, like they're

treated as optional, and I think

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01:19:34,348 --> 01:19:36,103

we're, at least I'm saying that.

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01:19:36,493 --> 01:19:36,733

Yeah.

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01:19:36,733 --> 01:19:38,623

For gun owners, I'm with

you a hundred percent.

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01:19:38,653 --> 01:19:41,233

There needs to be heavy

duty education going on.

:

01:19:41,282 --> 01:19:43,143

You know the laws of these things.

:

01:19:43,143 --> 01:19:44,673

When to use a gun, how to use a gun.

:

01:19:44,673 --> 01:19:46,983

It's not just going to the range

and learning how to shoot it.

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01:19:47,193 --> 01:19:49,113

It's also the responsibility

that goes with it.

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01:19:49,988 --> 01:19:54,988

Along with that, recognizing both

for you and for gun owners in your

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01:19:54,988 --> 01:19:56,668

life when they are struggling.

:

01:19:56,728 --> 01:20:02,118

When I unexpectedly lost my wife after 13

years of marriage, and like one day she

:

01:20:02,118 --> 01:20:04,128

was there and the next day, she was gone.

:

01:20:05,118 --> 01:20:08,868

I had the wherewithal and also

people around me and my friends and

:

01:20:08,868 --> 01:20:11,098

family were like, okay we're taking.

:

01:20:12,068 --> 01:20:14,558

We're taking all the

alcohol out of your house.

:

01:20:14,608 --> 01:20:16,407

And I'm like, okay, great.

:

01:20:16,618 --> 01:20:21,577

And we're gonna make sure that, you don't,

spiral into, something really bad here.

:

01:20:21,577 --> 01:20:24,633

So we're gonna, there's a, there

was a rally around me, which, it.

:

01:20:25,013 --> 01:20:28,418

It took some time because, something

tragic and crazy had happened, but

:

01:20:28,628 --> 01:20:31,148

I had smart people around me, and

I don't think everybody has that.

:

01:20:31,148 --> 01:20:34,628

And I think increasingly, like

we are in a, a fractured society

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01:20:34,628 --> 01:20:36,008

that, that these are, problematic.

:

01:20:36,008 --> 01:20:39,308

So going back and teaching people

from a very young age be like,

:

01:20:39,308 --> 01:20:42,968

okay, these are some things that

you know are your responsibility as,

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01:20:42,968 --> 01:20:45,157

a human being in your human body.

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Not only for yourself, but also for

the people around you to be like, these

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are things you gotta watch out for.

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And.

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And teaching that,

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Jerremy: yep.

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Dave: just having meditation, but

it's also Hey, there's a social aspect

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aspect

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Jerremy: Yes, dude.

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Dave: of living that is just gone.

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And we're not asking the

government to be a nanny here.

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We're just saying live in society.

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There, there is hey the, we don't

get a manual when we are born.

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There is no, there is.

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There's no book that we get and

it's you pop out and you're like,

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okay here's how human works.

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No, we are, we're just expected

to know and we don't have that.

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Like I think there's, that manual

is missing and that's something

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that we need to put back in people's

hands to be like, Hey, there,

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this is what this is all about.

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Jerremy: Beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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You're, yeah, exactly.

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Always.

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You always just drop mics.

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Dave,

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mic dropping machine.

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

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Thank you.

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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