Gun Violence: Human Rights & Broken Men

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Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Jerremy: We

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live,

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Dave: But on tape for this one.

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Jerremy: but on

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Dave: You'll get this later

today, boys and girls.

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Jerremy: That's right.

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That's right.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: you feeling?

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How you doing?

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Big dog.

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Dave: Man, you know, like I feel like

I barely go outta my house, most days.

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And I managed to get a cold.

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And I'm like, how?

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How?

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I've been in my bubble.

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Jerremy: I've been bubble boy.

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Dave: been bubble boy.

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It's like I don't have

any contact with humans.

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I'm feeling better.

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it was, it was quick.

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I'm at least healthy enough.

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Where, it's a couple of days of a cold.

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Not a, but you'll get my sexy voice today.

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Hey, hey baby.

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Jerremy: Yeah, same over here.

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It's th

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: 4:00 AM Pacific Time,

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Dave: Oh my God.

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Jerremy: on the, I'm on Central

time, so for the next, few

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hours, flying to Defi in la.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: to do some more

prison work with Quality Kwan,

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Dave: Amazing.

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Jerremy: Who's been an awesome participant

on our show in the past, a great

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episode, one of the most listened to

episodes that we did about prison reform.

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Dave: Yep.

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Jerremy: We have some new that we're

gonna work on, and Dave and I are gonna

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chat, create something new in the future

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: what else?

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What else are we talking about?

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But this episode is discussing what.

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Did we learn about gun violence

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Dave: Guns.

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Jerremy: guns in general?

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Dave: Guns in America, right?

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Trigger warning.

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Wow.

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this is, this was one of my favorites.

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I, I, I think I say that every time,

but this was one of my favorites.

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What was, what was your, what was your

vibe of the overall, arc of this magic?

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Jerremy: Well, there was, we started with.

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Probably a very powerful core theme, core

message that the whole gun violence issue

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doesn't really boil down to gun rights.

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It kind of boils down to human rights,

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Dave: Fair.

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Fair.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jerremy: know?

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Dave: So where did you start on this?

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I mean, we, we, we said it like first.

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One.

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I mean, I remember you saying

like it was, like you grew up

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with guns, it was about rights

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it wasn't about gun control, right?

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I mean, you, you, yeah.

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Jerremy: I mean, I, I went into this

gun ownership was, was normal, right.

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I was quite skeptical of trying to

see if there was gonna be a way where

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ultimately people would or would not.

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to give up ownership or if they

would want to ban their guns.

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Like, I, I really didn't think that the

Second Amendment was gonna be something

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that people were like, yeah, no worries.

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Like, let's, here you go.

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Here's all our guns.

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I just, I, I still do not think

that's gonna be the issue, or,

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or that's ever gonna happen.

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I don't think that that

needs to even even happened.

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I believe, and I started off with this

entire series, like there's probably

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something else, and back to the

whole school shooting thing as well.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: probably something else

that we can figure out than let's

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just take all the guns away.

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Dave: Yeah, I, uh,

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Jerremy: in America.

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I don't.

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I think that's one of the staples that's

just gonna keep this country the way it

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is, and there's no reason to go after all.

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Dave: a hundred percent.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: I'd say how that affected

me, because I, I didn't grow up.

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I didn't, I grew up in

a suburban environment.

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. I didn't, I didn't

really grow up with guns.

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I knew people who had guns,

but it was like big and scary.

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And I, thought it was all about that,

What I would say are the feel good laws.

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They make people feel

good, but they aren't good.

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those are the like ban the guns or ban the

big guns or ban the, the automatic guns.

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And it's about, gun, gun, gun.

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And I knew it was about gun

rights, but those people, people

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clinging onto their guns are crazy.

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And I mean, right off the bat, when.

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We started this and we started going

through the data, 62% of the suicides.

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This was a veteran crisis, and the

rest of it was, young boys, young

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men, taking out their frustration

on other young boys and young men.

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This was a crisis of men, and I think

you said that beautifully later on.

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Jerremy: Thanks, man.

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Yeah, I, that was the data that, I

mean, e episode one of this series was

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probably one of the most eye-opening.

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I'm trying to think of the exact

perfect word, but just such a

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crazy monumental paradigm shift.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: me, because again, general,

I wouldn't call myself the largest gun

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advocate or the gun fan in the world.

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and I'm definitely not a huge

fan of media, but I certainly.

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believe that there are some media outlets

that really try hard to get it correct

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without some type of like partisan focus.

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Like they, they want to be

a little bit more neutral

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: I have never presently, or

at least to my knowledge or awareness,

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have heard the narrative around guns.

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The way we started framing it pretty

quickly in episode one, just based

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on the data, which is like, listen.

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The people that are dying the

most in this country from guns are

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probably relatively lonely single

rural that are also veterans,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and that is of the gun deaths

in this country, that's 44,000 a year.

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62% are suicides.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: Yeah, and that was just, it

was, it was really mind blowing and it

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started just to reframe the whole thing

for me because I'm like, wow, dang it

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this, this really continues to seem like

a lot of mental health issue, which a

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lot of the solutions for me and solutions

we heard later on in the other episodes

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really kind of stemmed from that as well.

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Just regarding who attacks or who

of, you know, violates these rules

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or who really wants to harm people?

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I mean, it is.

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People that generally have a real

huge struggle on mental health and it

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doesn't have anything to do with a gun.

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a gun is a tool.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: money, Right.

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money,

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is a tool.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: can, money's a brick.

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Whatcha you gonna do with a brick?

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Whatcha you gonna do with a brick?

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You're gonna, you're gonna break a

window or you're gonna build a church.

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: Money is a tool.

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A gun is a tool.

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A a knife is a tool.

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A fork is a tool.

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A spoon is a tool.

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How are we using these things and who,

who, whose hands have them and then whose

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brains are being negatively in affected

and impacted enough to use that tool as

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a weapon against another person that.

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Is the underlying problem.

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Josiah, in episode two at some

point I think I'm pretty sure, said

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like, listen, if everyone just had

Jesus, we wouldn't have a problem,

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: right?

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Like if that was, if that was the

base camp layer of every single person

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needs to accept or to understand

this, this love, this kindness, this.

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Non animosity towards others.

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Right?

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Love your neighbor as yourself.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: If someone, I mean, I

will never, ever, ever negatively

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hurt someone with a gun.

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So if someone has that mindset,

that belief, that understanding,

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that awareness, then the world

instantly is a much better place

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because what we do know is criminals.

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They will not comply with laws regardless

of what those laws are, even if they're

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easy and simple, it's gonna become harder

for gun owners to comply to all the laws,

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but no criminal is gonna do it anyway.

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So does it really actually matter?

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Dave: I, Richie did a couple of things.

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one was certainly talking about

the moral framework and I, uh.

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I, I really appreciate that.

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And this goes across, even if, if somebody

isn't religious or, doesn't have a,

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every, everybody has a sense of what's

right and what's wrong and being able to.

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Focus that on real issues, real

problems, real people, and take it

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out as you said, a gun is a, is a,

is a, is a tool, is a, it's a thing.

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those laws don't affect that thing.

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and that's where we focus all of

our attention There's laws on that

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thing and not helping the underlying

issue over and over and over again.

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We heard that this is, this is

money and priorities going into

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the wrong place, and I think.

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Certainly with, with Congress

Congresswoman Newman.

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I, I think it's, it's kind of

dark to also think about that you

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keep this intentionally broken.

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and our political elite get

to keep raising money on it,

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but doing nothing about it.

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like that's dark.

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but Richie also did something else for

us, which was really frame up this,

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this, this two discussion problem.

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one of it is.

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all of the, all of the gun violence and,

well, most of the gun violence being in

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very specific places, and has those, none

of those laws actually touch that yet.

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The laws that you do have affect,

gun owners who are already complying.

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So it just frustrates them.

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It's like, ah, they

see it from the inside.

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So I, I love that about, Richie.

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Was like, look, the, the moral

framework around this is,

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is, is a huge piece of this.

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And morally also looking about

where you're solving this.

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If you think you can solve it

systemically, by focusing on

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gun laws, that's, that's broken.

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We've tried that for, for decades and

decades and decades, and it hasn't worked.

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These numbers keep going up, not down.

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Stop doing stupid stuff.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Loved the po, loved the

episode with Richie and Josiah.

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it was really good.

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And Josiah, being such a strong advocate

and having so many what I felt like

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were just extremely compelling arguments

from the side of a, of a gun owner.

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someone who.

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Trains and teaches and equips, militia,

just someone who is un understanding

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and aware of the entire process.

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That's extremely important and both

of us, all four of us really are,

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are that episode's progressing,

really understanding how important

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fatherlessness is, using a very.

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A big awareness of that.

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That is a systemic issue

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: that's going to be bigger than

gun regulation because again, you do

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have a dad, father, and that dad and

father is teaching you, showing you how

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to use or be around guns or to hunt or

to spend time with your grandfather.

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What's gonna happen, you're gonna

become, well, number one, more

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comfortable around gun ownership.

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But number two, you also will

feel a lot less stress about what.

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You are thinking, feeling, doing,

noticing, because you can at

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least have some strong boundaries

around, I should I be doing this?

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Should I not be doing this?

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Because my, my dad's gonna come and get

me I am, if I act out too much outta line.

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And that's just good discipline,

good parenting, essentially.

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And, yeah, I mean, I, I

just always, anytime we talk

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about mental health, around.

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Young boys, young men.

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That's gonna be always a core component,

which seems extremely obvious.

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And I don't know if that's gonna be the

next topic for discussion or not yet.

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That's something that you and I will

keep talking about, but how to solve

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that inner city urban violence,

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Dave: Yep.

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Jerremy: right?

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In relation to this.

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A gun issue that is taking the

lives of people that are mentally

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unstable or mentally depressed that

live out in the middle of isolation.

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Like those are two totally different,

as you mentioned just a moment ago.

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Two totally different ways to approach

and to correspond with what type

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of registration or gun ownership

or connections should people have.

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Dave: Our key quotes out of this really

sum up this arc, which is my mine was

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nobody shoots up a school, nobody pulls

out a gun because they had a good day.

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Dave: you said the brokenness

of any country is in direct

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proportion to the brokenness of men.

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And I know that that, Stephen's Stephen

Orr's episode really did the most for

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me to really put this into perspective.

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His, his three trigger progression

of saying, Hey, like this is

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young boys, young men, these

are young veterans, all men.

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That are killing themselves

and killing each other.

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This is his three trigger

progression was humiliation.

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Loss of identity rejection, and

it puts you in the place where

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there's nothing left to lose.

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And this is a crisis that we

spend no time even talking about.

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We talk about the crisis and, and young

women and how social media affects them,

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and we, we talk about, the crisis of.

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every, every group that you can imagine,

and it seems to tragically come at the

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cost of young boys and young men, they

seem to be told that they're wrong or

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they're bad, or sit still and be quiet.

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And, there's a, there's an inherent

sexism that we won't even address.

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We'll, we'll be called

misogynists for even just saying,

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young boys are in trouble.

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You

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Dave: That's making me a little nuts.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, I do think, and

I vastly believe in there be

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and should be some type of.

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A pretty basic distinction between how

young boys are educated in schools and

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how young girls are educated in schools

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: kinda like what they're

taught and how they're taught it.

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I think that generally, the vast

majority population would believe that

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boys and girls are pretty different.

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Dave: I can vouch for that.

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Yep.

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Jerremy: therefore, they're gonna learn

a little differently, most likely.

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And there's, there's other

things they need to be taught

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and there's other ways that they.

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create and express their emotions,

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Dave: I did.

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I didn't, I'm sorry.

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I don't mean to be interrupting you.

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I, I, the coffee's hitting hard.

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Jerremy: no, you're good, man.

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Yeah, you're good.

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Dave: I don't think I mentioned this.

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It was, I went to an all boys

Catholic high school, and

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Jerremy: not,

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Dave: yeah, I'm not even Catholic.

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Right.

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I just, know, one of my,

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Jerremy: I just want to hang out.

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Dave: well, one of my buddies,

my, my best friend brother from

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another mother was going there.

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He was super smart.

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it was a really good school.

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'cause if anything, the

Catholics can teach.

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And he was like, Hey,

why don't you come here?

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And I didn't know any better.

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Right.

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And my, my parents weren't really,

weren't really guiding anything.

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And I, and I lucked out

and it was all boys.

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And I can, I can tell you now, it was, it

was kind of miserable not being around.

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Girls.

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But on the other hand, we're animals.

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Like I, I, I think you have to raise

a boy or be a, a boy at some point in

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your, your, your, time to say, look,

we're we're crazy little animals.

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And, not having, girls to be, distraction

and being able to learn our own way

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and being, able to, to sort of do that.

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I think was tremendously beneficial.

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Like we could, I, I know we could

really focus, we could really, while

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during a time when our hormones were

just a popin, it, it worked out and we

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could be disciplined in different ways.

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We could be taught in different ways and.

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inside that school there was

all the different flavors that

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everybody would talk about today.

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like there were certainly,

young, young gay men.

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There were certainly, super

smart sort of nerdy men.

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sort of like, the, the crazy in celly

sort of type, the, the goss, all

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the different, the goss, the jocks,

the, everybody was in that mix.

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And we just, we, we did it.

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We got along.

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It was, it was one big happy family.

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In a way, but we were also crazy.

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so I, I'm, like boys are different and

we need to approach this differently.

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Just like, guns are different.

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We need to approach this differently.

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We're solving the wrong issues,

and it's about priority.

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Jerremy: Yep.

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Yep.

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That's it.

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Dave: And Marie Marie

said that one, right?

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Jerremy: Marie's so cool.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: cool, dude.

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I, I I liked her a lot.

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I liked her a lot.

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I've read a couple of her articles.

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nice.

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She's really cool.

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yeah, I mean, she's, when she's

talking about the gun debate,

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Dave: Money, money, money.

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Jerremy: a, as a prior congresswoman,

she said exactly what the

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populace likely believes, right?

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The gun debate cannot be

separated from campaign finance.

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Dave: No.

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Jerremy: She said, if you have a, if

you have a problem that isn't being

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solved, it's because of money, like mic

drop, like that, that was, listen, we

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got all these things that could, that

could work out tomorrow, but it, it's not

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being solved some, somewhere a group of

people is getting really rich off of it

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Dave: God

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Jerremy: that's why

it's not getting solved.

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'cause it pays better to not solve it.

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Dave: dark.

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Jerremy: Yeah, A little dark dude.

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Dave: Dark.

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Jerremy: A little dark.

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I think at some point also she

mentioned, what was that number?

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A 3% of NRA members training, storage

requirements and mental health checks.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and the opposite.

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So the opposition, isn't gun owners.

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It's the money behind the

organization and how, how well

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funded they are, the whole situation.

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So.

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It was, it was very unique there

because again, back to, okay, if

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you make certain gun laws stronger,

tougher, harder, more challenging, I,

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I can certainly, certainly still kind

of get behind the fact that there's.

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Going to be a lot of gun owners that

like, what if kinda like A-A-C-D-L

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versus a regular driver's license.

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Like if I have to use a bigger, more

powerful assault weapon, I probably

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should have better training for it,

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: or more training for

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: I think that

that's perfectly adequate

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: big gun advocate.

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I think that that makes

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sense and.

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You can have a certain amount of guns

for obviously hunting, for, for personal

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use, for protection, for whatever,

like, the open carry, all the things.

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I'm still pretty much on board with that.

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because again, I don't think that

that's the, that's the issue.

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I don't think that's the issue

that's gonna be hurting people.

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I think that's the issue that's

impacting people and the changes

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that are definitely not being made.

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Right.

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all, it's politically corrupt.

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They're just politically corrupt, Dave.

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Like if nothing's happening, if

nothing's really moving across the

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lines because somebody is getting paid

too much money for it not to work out.

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Dave: Hmm.

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I mean, it goes back, it goes back to

our series on voting and voting reform.

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Right?

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this, this one feels big and I, it's

worth coming back to it, but I know we're.

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we're increasingly in a situation

where the everyday folks, the s and

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the mes, now we, we are doing more

than most, we're doing this podcast,

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you're running for, for office.

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like we, we want to change this,

so we are putting our time, money,

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effort, we're putting our time

and treasure into this, right?

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Most people aren't, and most

people I think are, are feeling.

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Increasingly disenfranchised, like

literally disenfranchised, increasingly

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helpless, increasingly saying, look,

my vote and what I say doesn't matter.

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And the more that that happens, the

more it leads to things that are

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uncontrollable and, and it leads to,

to things that are, are not good.

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I mean, there, there's

nothing good down that road.

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it's.

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Money here is a structural

blocker and there are, she

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said a couple of things, right?

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The Anti-Corruption Act and the stock

ban Act like none of these jokers need

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to be getting stock or, insider trading.

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President Trump even mentioned it during

a state of the Union like this is.

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This is basic common sense, and there

there's at least some support on it.

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But are we gonna get to it?

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We have to push it and

we have to push it hard.

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we have to stand up and say,

look, stop some of the corruption.

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If anything, the Epstein

file showed us that.

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Just please, please do

a little bit of this.

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Do a little bit of your.

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And, and at least, put a

little bit of lipstick on this.

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And I think it'll go a long way to

establishing even the little bit, the most

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little bit of trust back in government.

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'cause we're, we're out like there.

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That, that, that bucket is empty.

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Oh, and I love, I love what

you say about the training.

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I'm with you on that because

I think responsible gun owners

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could get excited about that.

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It's like, Hey, learn about the laws.

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Learn about how to really

use your, your, your weapon.

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Learn about how, being a responsible

gun owner and what that means.

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Learn about like what's changed and

what you need to to be concerned

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about and make it kind of fun.

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like if we can make training fun and,

and somewhat mandatory to say, Hey, you

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need to be, you need to be up to speed

on this particular gun because it's

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different than the other ones you got.

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I think, Hey, I'm all for that.

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Let's, let's do more of that.

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Alexa, turn off thermostat.

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I set the home to off, right?

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Jerremy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Totally.

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Totally, totally, totally.

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I mean, I am all for that.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and, and again, I, I

think the probably unfortunate

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news realistically is.

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There's really probably zero chance that

I could become extremely vocal as I run

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on, all right, when I become president,

I'm taking away all of your opportunities

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to, to invest in individual stocks.

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No one's gonna wanna party with

me, no one's gonna wanna join

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sides because again, there is

unfortunately way, way, way too much

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corruption on the inside right now.

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I mean, there are people

that can actually, literally.

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Create laws that will benefit individual

companies, that they can then invest

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into those individual companies

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Dave: Or, Hey look,

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Jerremy: gobs of money,

bro, like that is the most

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Dave: but.

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Jerremy: trading thing of all time

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Dave: Fix it with technology, then make it

not insider trading, because every trade

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that goes in for a, for a representative,

for somebody who's in the government for,

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for their staff and their family, that.

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Trade can be posted publicly immediately.

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like when you hit the button, that

trade can go out and say, Hey, this

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congressman made this trade right now.

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Like, you don't know why.

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You don't necessarily know, like,

don't wait 60 days or 90 days, or

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whatever it is for them to do the

disclosure and then they'll forget

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and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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There's no, like, I don't care.

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Make it completely transparent so you

know everybody and what they're doing.

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It's like, look, if you want to insider

trade, great, but you're no longer

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insider trading if everything's public.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: That's what I got.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Public immediately.

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I mean, I, that's,

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: wow, Dave,

that's a great suggestion.

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Dave: You're not taking

away their ability to do it.

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You're saying, look, it's not gonna

be insider trading anymore because

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everybody's gonna know about it.

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It's like, why did, why did

this Congress Congress person?

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Well, they just got out of a meeting.

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They learned something.

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It's like soon as they hit the

button, boom, it hits the ledge.

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That's what I got.

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Jerremy: I like it.

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I like it.

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Big Dave, it sounds, sounds

like that would be probably

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pretty easy to build too.

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I mean, of course it would be

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Dave: Right.

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Cake,

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Jerremy: Super, super easy,

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Dave: every, every dollar.

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Not yet.

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Jerremy: If something is not

being solved in the political

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environment, it's because of money.

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Dang it.

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Marie Newman's so cool.

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She is dope.

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Alex: Congresswoman Newman's

verdict lands like a hammer—unsolved

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problems PAY better than solutions.

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Dave and Jerremy follow the

money to its dead end...

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but the next move costs so

little it rewrites every excuse.