From Gerrymandered Chaos to Fair Districts: Unlocking Real Voter Power

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Gerrymandering might sound like insider talk, but it's the

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hidden force deciding your voice

before election day even starts.

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Drawing from two centuries of twisted

maps, our discussion with Reed cuts

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through the mess to spotlight simple

solutions—like sticking to county lines

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or rethinking tech in voting—that could

bring back fair play and real progress.

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Jerremy: But I think you use a very

interesting term that does come up a

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lot, Reed, which is disenfranchise.

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And I would like to hear a little bit

more about that because if a group of

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individuals feels disenfranchised, do you

think they have the, or do they currently

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have the ability to determine where this

mythical salamander boundary begins?

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Should they even vote if they see

themselves in this really weirdly

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shaped, dis voting district where

they're like, listen my voice

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literally will not matter at all.

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I shouldn't even show up and turn out.

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Reed: I think they should because

it's a protest vote, at that point.

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But you still need to cast your

vote because that's the only

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lever that you have to pull.

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But I can understand why people

wouldn't at the same time.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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absolutely.

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So if it's been around essentially since

the entire formation of our country,

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more or less, how do we get rid of it?

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Is it something that we should get rid of?

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Is it even get

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Ridable?

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Reed: that is a really good question.

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I think it would require it would

require an interest in both sides

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to have some kind of fair District

Amendment or bill that they would pass.

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Because if both, if one side or the

other sees an advantage that they can

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have in the current system, they're

not gonna want to pass an amendment.

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It makes perfect logical sense to

us why Congress people should not

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be allowed to trade stocks, right?

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But they're not passing an

amendment banning themselves

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from trading stocks anytime soon.

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And I think Gerrymandering's

kind of the same, the same thing.

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So I, I don't know if I don't know

how realistically it would get fixed

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maybe the Supreme Court but you would,

the Supreme Court only decides on

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cases, so they don't really, they

wouldn't really have a a role to play

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in that.

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If the system right now, this is in

the public discourse because we have

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Texas and California and Illinois all

threatening to gerrymander their states.

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Basically because of Texas

being the number one actor.

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If every state gerrymanders

themselves to maximize congressional

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districts, the Republicans will win.

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They'll win more states and basically have

an unassailable majority in the house.

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And then I don't see them

turning around and passing a fair

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district act after they've won

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the baton,

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So what do you think?

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Jerremy: I, no, it's right.

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It's been a it's been

happening for a very long time.

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My random thought that I was having a

discussion with Dave about was, at what

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point does someone to some level of

power say, don't we already have lines

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drawn that are called counties like.

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We, that should be the congressional

I'm so confused on how we get the

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squiggles of where some random interest

gets created by whoever's draw.

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I wanna know who's drawing the lines.

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Who's that person specifically the

political scientist that connects

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with the person that has the data,

that has all the information that

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goes, Hey, this is where Dave lives.

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You want Dave's vote?

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We gotta circle building 13 A in this

random redrawing of this district line.

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But to your point and to, and

my thought process is like, we

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already have these lines drawn.

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We already have very discernible lines of

where counties begin, where cities begin,

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where townships begin and we continue.

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And it happens all the time.

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Like the that's the thing about the

redrawing, like you said earlier, like

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Illinois and other states are like,

Hey, Texas is doing it right now.

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This could, this happens

frequently as new people move.

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As interest changes, income changes,

as the economy changes and people move

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different states and different places,

these lines continue to get redrawn.

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This is not something that happens

every 15 years, something happens almost

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every 15 months, which is really wild.

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So we do need, I believe, someone of

a higher interest of a higher power,

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of a bigger importance to really

just come down with some type of law.

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And yeah, to your point, maybe present

a federal case with the Supreme Court

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to say, listen, we need to change

these gerrymandering tactics and these

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laws, because this is just almost

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unfair.

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It's like whoever has the

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Reed: There would need to be a lawsuit.

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And

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the problem is that it's legal, so

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there's not gonna be a lawsuit because

you have to allege a violation of

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some law.

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So it's, I, and the stated

reason for it is to accurately

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reflect the voter base, right?

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The stated reason for

redrawing the districts.

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The real reason is to, I guess in

some cases that is the real reason,

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but it has the effect of drawing

districts that are gerrymandered.

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But they become, they're more

scientific the more detailed

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the census gets and everything.

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Like back in the day with Edward Jerry

the governor, it was a rough human

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process of drawing districts, you knew

roughly how people voted in different

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places, but how accurate was their

census compared to what we have now?

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When we can break down to finite

details, how many households and

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how many immigrants and ethnic

makeups of all these different areas,

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that's what helps them be able to

gerrymander to such a scientific level.

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And that makes

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it more insidious today

than it was in the past.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah, totally.

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So if you're designing or redesigning

one part of voting from registration

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to ballots to, changing gerrymandering,

what would you change first.

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Reed: I would change

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gerrymandering first.

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Jerremy: That's it.

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That's the biggest thing for you.

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Okay.

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So if that goes away, do you feel

everything becomes a lot more fair?

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Everything becomes a lot more.

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Predictable might not be the word, but

let's just say democratic, that goes away.

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Things are a lot more reasonable.

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Reed: I think that's the end.

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That's the goal.

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I think if politicians have to compete

for centrist in their districts because

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the districts are more competitive,

then we're gonna end up with more

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pragmatic people who are able to

actually negotiate with the other side.

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And aren't just hotheaded partisans.

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And then that will

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give us, that would give us

a more functioning government

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than what we have now.

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Jerremy: Dave, what about you man?

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If you had to if there's a

perfect system that exists,

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what do you think it would look like?

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Dave: It's definitely taken the

politicians out of this, right?

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Yeah.

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Gerrymandering's like really

high on that list, and I don't

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hear anybody ever talk about it.

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I was just looking at.

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My district and I was

actually pretty impressed.

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I live in a red state and it's pretty

firmly red and in Florida, and I'm

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actually surprised my, my voting district

is just round, it's just, it's like

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somebody drew a circle and I'm like, okay.

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I don't know what the rest of it

looks like, but I'm like, I'm, that,

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that seems it, it on the surface

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Jerremy: take a circle.

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Dave: yeah, it looks it looks okay.

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Yeah, gerrymandering's like high on

that list I'd like more people to vote

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and certainly that it's easier to vote.

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I loved your idea in our first episode on

this, which is yeah we live in counties

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and so just if you have, if you live in a

populous county, then yeah, you, your five

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representatives represent that county.

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If you live in a sparse

county, a rural county, then.

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One representative might represent

like three or four counties.

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I'm like, okay, that makes,

that makes a lot of sense to me.

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That's yeah, I think that's spot on.

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And then, making it easier to vote.

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I'm fine with the IDs and stuff.

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I'm actually okay with mail-in

balloting ballots too, because, we

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have armed forces overseas that,

that do that all the time, so Yeah.

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Yeah.

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More people, more engaged.

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I, the one that I'm clearly probably

standalone on this is that, we only have

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438 representatives for Congress and

then another a hundred in the Senate,

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and that was capped a long time ago.

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I think we should have a lot

more representatives, and I think

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that would also drive some more

diverse voices, rather than.

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4 38, then maybe we have 600.

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And that means that each representative

represents fewer people because our

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population has grown and it's gonna keep

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I, it's always like the will of the people

is, is the wi is the will of the people.

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Are the will.

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Yeah.

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Is the will of the people being

representative right now represented

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Right now, it doesn't feel that way.

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So yeah.

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More diversity for lack of a better term.

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And more people like focused on the

issues that we all do care about.

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Like what, when was the last

time we talked about healthcare?

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That's like the number one thing

for people, or the economy,

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like the number two thing.

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It's all kitchen table issues.

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instead we're talking about tariffs.

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Oh my God, if I hear that one

more time, I'm gonna lose my mind.

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Jerremy: yeah.

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Reid, tell me a little bit more about

your general take on some countries will

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actually fine people for not voting.

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Do you think mandatory voting

could actually work in the

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US?

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Reed: It's like you're talking

about, earlier you mentioned the

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people voter participation and

stuff like that and voter ID laws.

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One of the bars to that is, is it,

I didn't actually know that voting

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is not a right in the Constitution.

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But one of the things that ties into

is do you consider voting a right.

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Do you consider something like requiring

an ID to be an unnecessary bar?

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'Cause it could be like a socioeconomic

even if it is a small barrier, it

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could be a barrier to people to voting.

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But is I think that the right

to vote or the right to abstain

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from voting is basically as

important as the right to not vote.

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So I don't really think mandatory

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voting would hold up in this country.

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You have the freedom, right?

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We're all

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about freedom.

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So you should have the freedom to not

vote if you don't want to, and how

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would you implement mandatory voting?

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Just everybody vote from their phones

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on

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Snapchat or

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Jerremy: Yep, it's, that's right.

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And Snapchat overnight rallies 3%.

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It's, a, I don't think, to your point,

making almost anything mandatory in

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this country would ever actually work.

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If you have to do something tell a bunch

of Americans, they gotta do something,

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they're like that's not gonna work.

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Dave: What if it was like you at

least gotta show up or you gotta,

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pull up your phone, like our utopia.

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Pull up and pull up your

phone and cast your vote.

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Even if it, the vote is,

I'm not voting right.

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Like at least you voted.

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You voted for none of the above.

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No.

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Jerremy: Good take.

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that Dave.

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I like that Dave.

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'Cause that, yeah, that's my utopia.

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Like in a random way is again, there,

there has to be some technological

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capacity where we make that pretty

ingrained using Biologistics u using

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some type of fingerprint scan, using

some type of face scan, using something

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where you at least have that capacity.

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Again, maybe it doesn't start with

everybody, but maybe it starts

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with people that want to do it.

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I think more people have phones

than they have IDs in the country,

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so that'd be, fascinating.

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But to, to your point, Dave.

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Yeah.

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If they said, Hey, listen,

everyone has to vote.

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Your vote can be, I don't care

that, and that's a button.

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You click the button, all is good.

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You can leave.

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Don't have to tell us

what you actually think.

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I think the participation.

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One I fully believe, and I think

it'd be fun to see like the

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percentages of voting and how it has

shifted and transformed over time.

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When I did my intro right, 65% of

people that voted and that was the

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third largest ever seems radically low,

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Dave: Yeah,

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Jerremy: right?

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Like you would, I would think like

hundreds,: 1865

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hundred percent of people are voting

like, what else are they doing,

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right?

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Dave: A lot fewer people could

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vote.

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Like it

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Reed: yeah.

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Is

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Dave: White people,

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Reed: or is that,

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Dave: White, guys.

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It was about it, right?

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Jerremy: YY well, exactly.

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Yeah.

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So that's the only people that can vote.

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So all the people that can vote,

it's I guess from a population

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standpoint.

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Reed: actually one of the huge

reforms of Andrew Jackson.

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And he was a, he was

the original Democrat.

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He I don't know if he passed it, but

during his time was landholding males.

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You could, now you just

had to be a white male.

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They dropped the requirement to own land.

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So that was

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really Open the floodgates

for voters voter turnout,

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Jerremy: Open the flood gaze.

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Come on down.

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Yeah.

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Reed: and you gotta think of his support.

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I would imagine he probably

benefited a lot from allowing non

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landholding white males to vote.

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Otherwise, he prob probably wouldn't have

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been, the Jacksonian Democrat that he was.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: Hey so let's say we

added tech to this, right?

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Let's say you could vote from your

phone you buy stuff on your phone.

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You do a lot of you trade on

your phone like you move money.

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Like some of the most important things

in your life, you, you do on your

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phone or in front of your computer.

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Do you think, could we do that safely?

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Jerremy: Reid, you're an

eng, you're an engineer.

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Dave: yeah.

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What do you think Reid?

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Reed: Oh, I'm not an engineer.

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No, I, but if you bank on your phone,

you can probably vote on your phone.

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Yeah.

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Because sure it has, there's holes in it.

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But people, like you said,

people trust their whole life

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savings with doing it electronically, not?

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Dave: But I also get like a notification

it seems like once a month of

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being like, Hey, your stuff's been

compromised on Pinterest or whatever.

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Jerremy: Yeah, I mean there,

there's tech that can do it.

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Or at some point, in my opinion, it, it

could, it can or could definitely be done.

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We could figure it out.

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We could figure out how to become

more tech savvy with voting.

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I think that would increase

the capacity to vote.

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I do think we should find

ways to make voting relatively

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easier, safer, more trackable.

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When I, say more trackable.

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I just mean like, to, to Reid's

point, like the census of just, hey.

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It's really, really easy to do this.

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It's not that hard family fill out

this, sign up for this, do this thing.

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I, I still find mail-in

voting very archaic.

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And I think that if one were to do

that again, it should just be something

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where it's maybe you have to go through

a couple more verification steps.

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That's all.

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Instead of one, which is just like you

show an ID and you take a vote, like just

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a couple of, just two or three more steps.

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Ultimately, because there are still tons

and tons of people who are not voting.

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That's really the thought process.

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So in your general circle, Reid,

the people that you just talked

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to or hear about from your day to

day, why do you feel or hear or see

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people that do not vote presently?

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Like what's their big hangup

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for it?

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Reed: I think most people

in my circle do vote.

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It's probably a higher turnout

than the general public.

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But I think the hangout.

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Four people is just civic literacy,

really just knowing when an election

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is, a lot of people like the midterms

are coming up next year and everybody

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knows the midterms are a very, it's

a low turnout election cycle because

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people don't know there's an election.

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The people know when there's presidential

election because how could you not?

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But people don't really know when,

if there's not a president up for

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election, they're not really aware

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that there is

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an election at all.

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So it's just basic education

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Really.

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Dave: What What about you Jerremy?

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Reed: And like you said the

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highest turn election in history was

in: 2020

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So it was the center of the news

cycle and it, the election itself,

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COVID was the primary issue.

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So that was the one

election where everybody.

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At least knew that there was an election.

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Everybody had an opinion on it.

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So it was the most involved

election, I think, I believe that

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2008 was the previous record holder.

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because Barack Obama, another

big historical election,

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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you

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just

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had the, the financial crisis and

Bush was getting out of office, so

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you had multiple people running.

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Yeah I think Dave, for me,

just thinking through man, I.

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The way I see it, people not voting.

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Our boy Reid nailed it.

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He said, my favorite word it is education.

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And again, back to just basic school,

I looked over my son Gabriel's 15,

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15-year-old high school homework

last night when I got home at 10

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o'clock from traveling all day.

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Just glazed over it.

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Just garbage.

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Garbage.

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Just garbage.

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The things like the, he's, they, so

world history is a map of Europe.

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Cool.

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That's cool I guess.

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Sure.

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All right.

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Thumbs up to map of Europe and then

math parallelograms just random geometry

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shapes and like how to graph them.

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Things of that nature.

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And just a bunch of other, just so I'm

looking at this, thinking to myself,

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knowing that we have this discussion

coming up, I wonder if any class

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in his school is teaching the high

schoolers about the midterm elections.

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I wonder if there's any class

where it's like, Hey, this is

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what a midterm election is.

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Here is like I, I get it that certain

schools have American government.

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I realize that, but that's a very,

not only few and far in between,

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but it's also something that's

gonna be taught very uniquely, very

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interestingly, probably very polarizing.

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And also just it's uninformed on

the general public of the general

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public is lost on what's happening.

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Remember, I am at the time, 26,

27, 28, going into a middle school.

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Library casting votes for

things I have no clue about.

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And I'm pretty well informed

on just the general world at

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the time, for the most part.

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And I don't know very much about anything

about who, what, who I'm voting for,

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what I'm voting for, the purposes behind.

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I'm voting.

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There's just not a lot of information.

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And so I think what would also be

relevant to Reed's Point is just some,

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obviously Google has incredible access,

but I just don't feel like the general

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public would agree that there's a really

beautiful system of open information and

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education about what voting, who voting,

where, voting, why all the information.

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A lot of the topics, a lot of the people.

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Dave: Huh.

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Jerremy: just feel like

that's the main point.

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Obviously most of my people vote

as well, but the people that don't

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vote in general, I think it's

just 'cause of lack of education.

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They just don't know.

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Dave: So did you all have like

civics classes and social study

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classes and history classes?

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Like I'm your son's 15, right?

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Like I, I had all those things

I remember real clearly that my

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teacher brought in sample ballots

and we'd actually go through it.

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It'd be like, okay, how does this work?

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And so did you have those classes?

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Jerremy: never once.

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Not me personally.

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Reed.

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Reed: I don't really remember if we

had anything specifically like that.

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I think the high school level history

and civics is severely lacking.

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And I took AP classes in high school,

and then I minored in history in

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college, so I don't really have a.

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Normal experience.

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Like I think I, I received more

history education than most people do.

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But I just had a thought while you were

talking Jerremy about what would be a

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great idea for a government high school

class or a government civics class.

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You could divide the class up, even

have them hold a mock election and

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choose was like, let's say five or six.

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Let's say there's 25 people in the class.

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Choose five or six people that are

gonna be the government and the other

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people are gonna be the people, right?

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And the government, they have to war game.

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Things are gonna do, like we

gotta fund a war against so

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and so we need to raise money.

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We're gonna sell bonds.

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We gotta have this much interest rate.

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Our people are producing this

much money with the economy.

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We're gonna have to recruit

five of you to be soldiers.

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So we're gonna send you off to war.

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Let's say two of you die, and we,

all right, we're running outta money.

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We gotta sell more bonds, oh

we gotta pay off our debts.

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We're gonna print more money.

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And you could create like a real world

scenario that would give kids a much, a

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better understanding of the way that the

government works and the way the policy

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and the economy interact with each other.

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Much better than what you get with the

education system the way it is right now.

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Because I don't think I knew what

a bond was until I was probably 30.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Reed: that word all the time, but

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you don't know what it, you

don't really know what it is.

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Jerremy: No clue.

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No clue.

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And

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I

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think in you

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mentioned it really well, man you

said the word high school a few

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times, so did I, but I think that's

probably the time for it, right?

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Like I don't think you

need to be berating.

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You can talk very basic election

principles and some history stuff

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in middle school, but I think high

school is the time for it because

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when you turn 18 in this country,

you have the ability to vote, not the

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right, as we mentioned a couple times.

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It's weird, but alright, that's fine.

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But yeah, you turn 18 man, boom.

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Now you can vote.

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And to your point, man,

you don't remember that?

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'cause I don't think it happened homie.

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We don't remember 'cause

it didn't really occur.

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Dave: Wait.

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Jerremy: didn't really have

tons and tons of information.

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Again, just the real world thing.

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The applications that impact this country.

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Taxes.

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We didn't learn how to fill out taxes.

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We didn't learn what taxes.

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We don't know anything about taxes.

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When you exit high school, for the

majority of all people that go through

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high school, you do not learn properly.

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What are taxes?

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Why do you pay them?

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How much are you paying?

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And how can you legally pay less?

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You're not taught these things.

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Every single person on earth is a

subject to learning a better education.

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And here in the US I think that

just some of these basic life

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principles just get way overlooked.

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And we don't spend any, again if my

son Gabriel wants to become, which

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I know he doesn't an architect,

some type of engineer, a chemist.

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He can start learning some of the things

he's learning right now in high school.

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Otherwise they should be

burning into his brain.

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How elections work, how money

works, how income works, how

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budgeting works, how taxes work.

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Again, yes, parents should and can

teach that and my kids are gonna

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be fine, but for every other kid in

the world, I think it's just really

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crucial that they learn this stuff and

it's really just openly not taught.

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And so I think that'd be

fantastic, man, that, that game,

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the gamification of it, right?

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Frequently doing that often where people

know and they just pour into themselves

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and just get really in, ingrained into it.

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Dave: I, I you guys are blowing my mind.

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I'm not that much older than you all,

but I did I did learn all of that.

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Like we had Model un, we

had government debates.

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We I, we didn't learn about

taxes, but definitely about

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banking and how money works.

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I learned that in grade

school, so I, I'm like, what?

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What took up all that time?

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What did they get rid of?

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What did they

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add in order

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to get rid of all

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that?

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Reed: We had, I remember learning about

the gold standard,: 1898

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campaigned against against fiat currency.

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'cause he was a big gold guy.

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But we, it wasn't really they didn't

really explain I don't feel like

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I really learned how a fiat system

worked coming out of high school.

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Like you, you knew a

little bit of details.

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Like we got off the gold standard, we

tarted the Federal Reserve in: 1913

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and I, we didn't really get off the

gold standard until Nixon, I think.

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But you don't really know what that means.

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You don't really know the basis

for how the economy works.

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You just, you have these kind

of vague details in your head,

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like what's the gold standard?

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What are we on now as

opposed to the gold standard?

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Jerremy: Yeah, it is it is quite

fascinating, the things that we learn,

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the things that we study, the things

they put a lot of importance on.

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I met Dave with most of my

most of Gabe's teachers.

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And I remember the English

teacher, just asking her like,

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Hey books you guys are reading.

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And she's I got these three books.

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I just gotta get we gotta get through 'em.

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I'm like who's dictating these books?

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She's I'm, from the higher ups I gotta,

we gotta get through this, these books.

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And like it is just like this

information that gets taught.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It is, man.

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It's wild.

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But I think that there's just such

a fun and unique and cool topic

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because I do think, and again, my,

I think my general consensus leads

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towards voting should be easier.

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It should be safer, and

should be more informed.

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And I think if those, when I say safer,

just safer in the sense that it's

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available, it's easy, it's accessible.

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People know it, people are aware of

it, and it's not something that's

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extremely easily manipulated,

like what's happening right now.

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And I think that's pretty,

pretty straightforward, right?

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Don't manipulate elections.

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Let's have a, let's actually hear what

the general population believe and

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think on average what is the consensus

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Dave: Oh

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Jerremy: and find,

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Dave: I got another one

to throw in there for you.

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Jerremy: Oh, hit me, dude.

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What What we got.

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Dave: You can't run for anything

until 90 days before the election.

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There's already people like lining up to

run for president three years from now.

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I'm like, oh, enough of this.

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No, I don't want to hear anything until 90

days before or else you're disqualified.

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No ads,

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no nothing.

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Reed: I think compressing it

into a tight window like that.

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Wouldn't really serve the purpose of

having a more educated voter pool.

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I get what you're saying about, it's

ridiculous how it basically never

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ends, but that's, you need these

ideas to marinate in order to have any

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kind of filtering down to the general

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population.

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And even then, I don't, there's not a

whole lot of filtering down happening.

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Dave: Fair.

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I also think it's more noise than signal,

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Reed: yeah.

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When do you

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guys think about the people who

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are very supportive of voter ID laws?

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How would they

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feel about mandatory voting?

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Jerremy: they I think the majority of

'em will be very pro mandatory voting.

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'cause then it was like,

listen, you have to vote.

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And when you have to vote,

you have to show an id.

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Simple as that.

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I think that would be their I, don't know.

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I think that'd probably be their stance.

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I wouldn't, I don't think I'd

ever sign off on mandatory

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voting, at least in this country.

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But again, man, I think it could

be a relatively simplistic approach

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where it's not that extreme.

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Like you don't have to have a passport,

you don't have to have a driver's license.

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Like you can get a id.

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Essentially for free.

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I believe just like I am a

human being that lives in this

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country and I'm a citizen.

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I think that Id doesn't cost very much.

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Especially if you live in cities that

have incredible transportation, right?

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Like big cities, New York City, you

don't need a driver's license, right?

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And if you don't have a passport,

that's fine, but library

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card, like, what can you get?

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Like

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Dave: costco card.

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Yeah.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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What can you actually get?

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That's pretty easy.

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That's pretty simple.

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And I think that there could be tons

of places if they said, Hey, listen,

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you have to have a voter, ID got it.

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Every CVS, every Walgreens, every

Walmart, every Kroger, every place

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that you walk into every library,

they have a free, go ahead and take

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this picture and we'll give you an id.

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That wouldn't

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be that

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difficult.

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Alex: We've mapped out the gerrymandering

pitfalls and spotlighted tech-savvy ways

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to level the field, but true change starts

with what we teach the next generation.

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In the final segment, Reed dives

into how education gaps fuel

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these issues—and explores AI's

wild role in tomorrow's politics.

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You won't want to miss

how it all ties together.