AI's Election Takeover: From Education Gaps to Algorithmic Overlords

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As schools skip the basics of civics for geometry, voters are

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left navigating a system that's

evolving faster than ever—with AI

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pulling strings behind the scenes.

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Join us as Reed connects the education

shortfall to democracy's big challenges,

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from mock elections in class to

guarding against algorithmic influence

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that could reshape everything.

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Reed: What do you think about, do you

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think that AI is going to

revolutionize the democratic process or

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our government

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Jerremy: Ooh.

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Reed: How dramatically do

you think that's gonna change

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Jerremy: Oh, that's fun.

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That's a great question.

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I love it, Reid.

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Thank you, man.

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Man, it's what's wild?

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And in addition to that, I

will answer that question so we

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can just pontificate over it.

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But when does a robot get

into like Congress, right?

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When does you start taking

away certain humans and you

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start putting in actual robots?

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Ai?

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I think for a real integration, a

real integration into like American

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politics, this will be a crazy take,

but I think it's 50 years away.

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And the reason I say that, the

reason I say that is because

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government is very slow.

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They're very slow to make changes.

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They're very slow to take a

adaptations that take away their

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control, their speed, right?

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'cause they want things to go slow.

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That's why they, that's why there are

no term limits in certain organizations

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where they get to sit back and just

coast in Vermont for 20 plus years and

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just do the same thing over and over.

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AI is gonna be a massive game changer for,

I think, earlier in the political stage.

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And I think that'll be, again,

discerning information on voting,

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asking the AI certain questions.

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Like right now, you can type in chat

pt, Chachi, pt, almost any amendment

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form topic question that's on a ballot.

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And you'll get an answer.

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Now.

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The answer is gonna pull from Reddit

mostly Pinterest boards, Google.

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Facebook, a few other places,

is the learning language model.

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The LLM is gonna, right now,

cha t Rock, a few others.

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It's just gonna pull from what's

currently available, right?

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The current pull of information the

back and forth conversations that are

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happening with people and individuals.

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But saying all that to say it

should, if anything, make a lot

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of these applications and a lot of

the certain processes a lot easier.

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And I think AI done correctly,

robotics done correctly.

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The speed and the speed of the internet

and the applications done a adequately

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creates a post abundance world.

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A world where we start

stepping away from scarcity.

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And people have so much

more time to create.

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They have so much more time to think.

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They have so much more time to

deliberate because we have machines,

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we have robots, we have AI that's

doing a lot of our manual labor for us.

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And we have the ability as

humans to go and reconnect to.

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To actually build and to

scale and to deliberate.

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And I think that absolutely does

exist in the political realm.

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Me and Dave's perfect world is

individuals start caring a lot about

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going to Washington, DC They care a lot

about becoming incredible politicians.

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So it's instead of becoming a movie star

or a YouTuber, or you wanna go to the

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NFL or a professional soccer player, you

want to become a congressman or woman.

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You want to go to the Senate, you

wanna become a representative.

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You want to be president,

placing the nation's brightest.

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Most excited, most enthused and positive

individuals that are well-spoken and

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charismatic and caring and kind and

empathetic, placing them in government

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because now they have time and they

have income and they have ideas.

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They can be assimilated very quickly and

easily and efficiently because of ai.

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I think that would be a fun, fun future.

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But again, that's my world.

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There's a lot of other more negative

biases and approaches of ai, but

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that's my rosy colored glasses view.

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What do you think,

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Reed?

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Reed: You're talking about 50 years away.

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But we I think all you really

need to do is tweak the

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algorithm to influence outcomes.

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Facebook already, what was that?

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Cambridge Analytica stuff.

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Didn, they influence

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the outcome of an election

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by

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tweaking their algorithm.

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I don't know, but I would

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have to.

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I'm not really sure if I'm spot

on that, but, and what if you

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have a super intelligent AI just

manipulating what everybody sees?

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That, that's all you really need to.

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And then the AI can determine

what outcome it wants or

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what outcome it.

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The

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people who own it wants to

happen, and that will happen

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Jerremy: But if it's an but

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Reed: enough.

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Jerremy: Exactly.

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But if it's intelligent, would it be

able to, would it be able to give us the

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best candidate, right?

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Would could it pull cream from

the crops, could it give us an

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algorithmic view of who is the best?

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Right now, again, I don't think

that AI is actually intelligent.

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That's my, again, current belief, right?

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It's not artificial

intelligence presently.

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It is there, there are some

applications that are becoming

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smarter and I think obviously the

curve will happen very fast, right?

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Five, six years.

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It'll become more and more intelligent.

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Right now it's just more uniquely

regurgitating what's already on Google.

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But to your point, yeah, man, in the

future, AI actually does sit back and

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goes, how can I give Dave and Reid and

Jerremy this very specific bias in a

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way that they're going to assimilate

it the way that I want them to so

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that I can be their overlord possible?

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Right?

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You start talking then

Matrix and Terminator.

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But again, I think that if that

happens, that's pretty far away and

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there is a tipping point where that

could occur and and hopefully we have

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minds in the right place that are

smart enough so that doesn't happen.

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Dave: So this is

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Jerremy: What do you think,

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Dave: yeah, this is a great question.

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I

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Jerremy: is, man.

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It's a good one.

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Dave: I think it's going to, the tipping

point's going to be whether or not people

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think that the technology is working.

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For you or to you,

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Because I think a lot of the AI and how

it's, coming up is very manipulative.

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It's trying to basically separate

you from your money at light speed.

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And so as this sort of gets into the

social space my niece is in HR for like

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law firms and she's, she was telling, we

were talking last week and she noticed

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something really interesting because she's

on the second half of her twenties and

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she's talking about who's coming in, like

their first classes, the recent hires.

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And she said, they're so online,

they like stare at your they can't

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hold a conversation like, like

they're staring at their feet and

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you almost have to text them while

you're standing in front of them.

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But Then she's saying that the generation

before them, maybe the teens, maybe

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not your teen Jerremy, but maybe teen

and earlier, they're far less online.

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They're very selective about what

technology are because they've seen

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what it does to, later generations.

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I'm wondering, the, again, back to

the noise versus signal, if people

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are perceiving that technology is

happening to them, that we might

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create more Luddites that aren't as

connected, that aren't in the swamp.

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I've been offline for the last

two, three weeks from social

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media and my mood's improved.

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So I am, I'm curious if there's gonna

be like a rebellion of the humans

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against the AI and how that's gonna go.

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I, I.

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I think it's gonna it's definitely

gonna change our culture and

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it's gonna change our politics.

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It's gonna change everything that we do,

and I'm really curious how humans are

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going to react to it more than anything

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else.

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Reed: As you gaze

thoughtfully out the window.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: For as long as I can.

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Reed: I was, to that

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point I was looking earlier about when

you were talking about high school

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education and stuff, there was some.

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I've read some studies or some

surveys about Gen Z and asking Gen Z,

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polling Gen Z about different things.

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And it seems like Gen Z has an

alarmingly level of lack of education

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on a lot of things, like a high

percentage of Gen Z doubts that we

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landed on the moon, for example.

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And other things like that.

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So I don't know what direction it's

gonna go, is people being too online just

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exposes them to too many TikTok videos.

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We didn't land on the moon

because the camera angles and the,

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there's no stars in the background

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or, and they're not

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presented with the refutation

to those arguments.

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That's really the

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Jerremy: Like you can take a

telescope and just look at it

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and

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see.

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you can get a really good telescope

and literally, visually look at

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what

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everyone's talking about.

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That's on the moon right

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now.

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You can see the flags,

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you can see them.

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Reed: we'll just wait till we go back

to the moon and the rovers are there.

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But of course then it'll be

they flew up there, there was

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a secret mission back in 2023

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and

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they planted the rovers.

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Jerremy: That's right.

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Reed: Moon in 1969.

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Jerremy: Dave, That's it, man.

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Solving America's Problems.

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Conspiracy Theory edition.

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Dave: I in.

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Jerremy: be very fun.

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Yeah, I'm in.

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But yeah, to, to your point, Reid man,

like that is, it's the, we're always

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gonna go circle back on education.

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That's kinda like my main number one

platform focus in general is I really

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do think and feel and know that this

country needs a huge shift in education.

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What we're taught, how we're

taught, where we're taught, why we

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are taught, because there's, Dave

mentioned the population is increased,

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so we need more representatives.

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That's one of the most obvious changes,

but obviously technology, like the

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speed at which things have moved

and shifted, and the way that most

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teachers and most schools right now

are handling the technology shift.

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It's just giving a kid a, a Chromebook

and saying, Hey, now do everything that

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you're doing, but just on this computer.

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And they're not, we're not teaching our

children how to interact with technology,

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how to interact with other humans, how to

interact and really the internal shifts

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and the biometric updates that need

to happen in order for our species to

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evolve adequately is just not occurring

because the technology is just increasing

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at such a rapid pace and rapid speed.

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So we'd need big changes there.

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And for you to ask that question

about ai, man, there's gonna be so

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many really fascinating, extremely

unique topics on it, because.

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The one that I think we glossed over or

you glossed over, I glossed over is the

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Cambridge Analytica aspect to all of it.

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And when I say Cambridge Analytica,

what I mean is the ability for

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Facebook, apple, and Google, right?

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The CEOs, the decision makers to go,

I don't believe that people should

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see the information about this.

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I'm just gonna make sure they don't

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Dave: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jerremy: it.

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It really isn't that hard for them to pull

that off, and it's gonna be very difficult

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for individuals to figure it out and

to understand what it is and how it is.

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Like it's pretty simple for them to flip

a switch and just no one see that person

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anymore.

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That

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Reed: Okay.

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Not all that hard is

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actually an understatement.

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I think

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It's mindboggling, mindbogglingly easy,

and I think there's an incentive for them.

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Facebook actively censors political data.

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Facebook does not.

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If you post a political post, which I do

often less people will see that than if

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you post a picture of your car and you

say, I got, I just went to the car wash.

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More people will see that than they

will if you post something about

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politics, because Facebook knows

that politics is polarizing, and so

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they make sure that less people see

those posts, which I actually do not

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think is good because I think people

should be engaging in political.

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Discussion and political arguments.

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I think it's good for people.

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I think it's good for society, and

I happen to really enjoy political

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arguments and discussions, but

I know that most people don't,

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most people see it as just people

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see it as

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advers adversarial,

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And just intrinsically adversarial.

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And so therefore

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Jerremy: it is one thing you're

not supposed to talk about,

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right?

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Like societally, sex, religion,

money, politics, don't have

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conversations about those things.

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And I'm over here what else

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spins the world around?

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Reed: I know.

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Those are

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the things I want to talk about

let's talk about religion.

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Let's talk about politics.

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Jerremy: yep.

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Agreed.

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Agreed, because those are just fun

topics and to your point, we can, and

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have we can give visible audio audible

examples of how individuals, and we're

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doing it right now can just have an open

conversation about something where three

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people can either agree or disagree and

they can just have a conversation and

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they can have discussions and they can

learn from each other as we have today.

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One other thing I would like to learn

from you, re before we start wrapping

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up is earlier at the very beginning

you mentioned that you grew up with

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a little bit more, I think you used

the word electoral information.

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Just give us a quick, like

two minute background.

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Why or what shaped you to have

more of an interest in politics.

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Reed: When I was eight years old, my dad

ran for state senate in Georgia and so

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we were, that summer when I was eight

years old,: 1998

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going to every state fair in our district.

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And dad was campaigning.

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So I had this idea that

he was campaigning.

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I knew what was going on, but you didn't

really understand like at the granular

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level, it's oh yeah, my dad's running

for state senate and he's gonna win.

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But so we were going to campaign

events and I got to meet, people

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like I met Roy Barnes at this one.

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Fair.

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'cause I think he was campaigning, he was

the governor of Georgia in the nineties.

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He was campaigning as well even

though he was on the other side.

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So I just had this, like passion

for politics from an early age.

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'cause I really, it was really fun,

when I was eight years old and we were

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going, and I was listening to my dad

talk to all these people and try to

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convince them to vote for him instead of

the other candidate who was a Democrat.

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And he ran as a Republican

in a rural Georgia district.

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And it's been really interesting

to see that evolve over the years

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because he lost that election and

it was a really close election.

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And it was, rural kind of Appalachian

areas were historic Democrat strongholds

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going back to, the Dixiecrats and

Strom Thurmond and stuff like that.

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They were, it was like that type of voter.

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So even though, Nixon really changed

the map in the seventies, it didn't

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really fully materialize until.

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The two thousands, and now it's a lot

different than it was then because

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those, that district would absolutely

never be won by a Democrat, even

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though it was won by a democrat

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25 years ago.

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So that's been really

interesting to watch.

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And,

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I just have been passionate

about it basically ever

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since I was eight years old.

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Just the political process,

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Jerremy: yeah.

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That's awesome, man.

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That's really cool.

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Yeah.

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So it's, so what I heard you say then, is

it just starts from as most good education

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does, it's gonna start in the homes.

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It's gonna start with parents caring,

it's gonna start with individuals, just

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our moms and dads pouring into us, right?

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For every single person who's

listening, you might not think that

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your 8-year-old cares about politics,

and obviously they're not gonna

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be denate voters at eight, but.

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Our children will care about anything

that we tell them they should care

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about, and they will begin to understand

the importance and relevance of

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anything that we as parents also

feel is relevant and important.

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To wrap up Reid.

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If you had 60 seconds on a nationally

ranked podcast and you wanted to

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give your one line to fix voting in

this country, what would you say?

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Reed: I'm gonna go back to my hobby

horse, which is gerrymandering.

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I would tell people that if we elect

people who are strong partisans, they're

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not gonna be able to work with people on

the other side because they're strong.

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Partisan tilt prevents them from being

incentivized to work across the aisle.

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If we like people who are problem solvers.

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who are more moderate and can work

across the aisle, then we're gonna

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have a functioning government.

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And the only way to have a functioning

government is to have competitive

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districts up and down the board.

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And like you said, having more

representatives is potentially

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one way to achieve that.

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But having competitive districts is

also another way to achieve that.

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These strong partisans that

just contribute to more bipolar

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polarization in the political

process are not solving problems.

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Look at how hard it is for

Congress to do anything now.

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They're not it's not the way

it was even 20 years ago.

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Congress was much more

functioning than it is now.

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And I think that problem

really goes back to

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the polarization A but the polarization,

which is enabled by the gerrymandering.

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Jerremy: I love it.

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Beautiful.

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Take Reid.

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Thank you for sharing

your time with us today.

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Thanks for pouring into all of our

listeners with your unique skill sets,

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topics, questions, conversations.

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Dave, thank you so much as well

for being here and for all of

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our

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listeners.

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Oh,

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re do you have something else to say.

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Reed: Oh I got a question for

you are, so you're planning

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on running for president in 2032.

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Jerremy: Yes, sir.

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Reed: Are you how do you feel

about a potentially another Newsome

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being president right before you?

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Jerremy: I would give the chance

of that happening to be very small

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and I would love to run against

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Governor

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Newsom.

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It'd be an honor

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to

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Reed: you're right.

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I think you're right.

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I think his chances are

very small, but it's ironic

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that

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he

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Jerremy: It is ironic.

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Yeah, it

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is ironic.

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he

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doesn't have the

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Reed: and if he were

to get elected in: 2028

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that

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could, that could present an issue.

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'cause there'll be all these theories

that you're like his cousin or something,

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Jerremy: it's a very valid point.

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Yeah.

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And we have to be technically

related somehow, although he doesn't

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share the e on my last name, I'm

sure that's a quick little family

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fix at some stage in the backlogs.

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But yeah, man, ultimately it'd

be an honor for me to share the

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stage with anyone that really cares

about creating a better America.

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And I think having certain topics and

situations addressed for me is really

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focusing primarily on education.

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I think fixing that, I

believe, fixing that.

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I know fixing that will give this

country actually what it needs.

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versus always just creating

this, you mentioned it a

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million times, polarization.

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This bifurcation, this diversification

that's happening right now where

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we're splitting sides versus saying

The biggest problem is this country

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is less smart than we used to be.

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We are more unhealthy than ever

and the way to fix a lot of these

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components almost every single time

when we really drill down into a big

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topic that is a thorn in the side of

America, we are deciding and coming

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up with more and more relevancy to.

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We need to change education.

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We need to educate the populace better and

in almost every way imaginable, but for

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sure, regarding what this country is, what

it stands for, and why it stands for it.

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So to our listeners,

thank you for tuning in.

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Thank you for being here.

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Dave: Okay, so what did you learn?

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What did you learn on this one?

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Jerremy: What did I learn on this one?

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A lot of fun topics, man.

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Very circular in this

conversation, which was nice.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: Discussing everything from ai.

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To the degeneration of education again

in this country showing up once more in

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another topic, in another conversation.

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I did learn and I think probably

relearned my disdain for gerrymandering.

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I think a few other people

share it which is fun.

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That's the big one for me, man, to

also it's just so strange and odd that

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eventually and ultimately someone with

enough power and insight and wisdom

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and also a motive can just go, Yeah.

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I want my election to be this way.

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And they just boop, take a sharpie

out and make sure that happens is

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pretty bonkers to me to use your word.

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I think that one is,

again, it's not illegal.

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It's not really a topic.

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It's not really something that people are

discussing or having conversations about.

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Really.

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Ultimately, I think you even said it

there's not tons of people talking

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about gerrymandering needs to go away.

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We are now, we are discussing

that presently in this podcast,

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not only in this episode, but

future episodes about voting.

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I did love hearing and learning

that Reed, a, a gentleman like

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myself let's label us a millennial.

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Cares, has cared for a

while has enjoyed it.

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And I did also hear certain, conversation

topics about his background in school and

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how, and the higher education, getting

his minor in history and things of

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that nature is really where he started

sprouting the wings of the additional and

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continued education that he currently has

and feels that other people need to have

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especially as it relates to this topic.

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What about you big man?

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What you got for me?

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What'd you walk away with?

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Dave: I gerrymandering is so funny, right?

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Because it's totally obvious

that I am gonna dig deep.

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I'm gonna see if I can find anybody

who's yeah, I'm pro gerrymandering.

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Jerremy: Other than a politician.

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Dave: yeah.

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Somebody besides yeah,

more gerrymandering.

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Jerremy: Bring it on.

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It's the best.

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Dave: here's the thing, I, it's not

a part of the conversation because

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I think everybody looks at it and

be like, okay, that's not fair.

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And that, that totally goes against the

grain of everyone, and we're not talking

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about it because we are pretty simple

when it comes to what is important to us.

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It's it is the kitchen table

issues, it's safety, it's wealth,

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it's education, it's health.

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It's not international trade,

it's not foreign policy.

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It's the what's in it for me at least

what is going to help me provide for

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my family, have a family, or at least

leave the world a slightly better place.

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And gerrymandering's not on that list,

but it affects every single one of those.

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So I think if we can tie, if we can tie

gerrymandering to, hey, this is what's

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affecting you, underneath it, right?

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This is the meta issue.

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The reason we're not talking about your

safety, your wealth, your education,

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the health of you and your family,

or leaving the world slightly better

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is because you're not represented.

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It's,

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It is like your representation won't

listen to you because they don't have to.

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That's.

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Besides that, AI and that social media,

how AI is trained and search engines

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are bias, will affect probably the

election of your local dog catcher.

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That's terrifying.

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So I think that's what I learned.

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Jerremy: A little spooky, right?

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Dave: Crazy.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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definitely Crazy.

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Love it.

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Awesome.

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Dave.

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Man, we're gonna continue

to dive into the topic.

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