Episode 115

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Published on:

25th Sep 2025

Epstein Files to AI Nightmares: The Hidden Crises Eroding Trust and Wealth

Hosts Dave Conley and Jerremy tackle America's mounting socio-economic pressures and political divisions in this raw discussion. From public backlash over Charlie Kirk's death and misused Nazi labels to the sting of tariffs, soaring credit card debt, and unemployment, they expose economic fault lines. Ethical red flags in AI advancements emerge via Sam Altman's insights, while Congress's secretive grip on Epstein files erodes trust. Jerremy pushes for income-based gambling regulations to curb harm, wrapping with warnings on international conflicts and U.S. isolationism.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) Clips from Current Events 1-2
  • (11:47) Automating Business Processes
  • (12:15) Epstein Files Controversy
  • (15:30) AI and Moral Frameworks
  • (19:43) Gambling and Economic Impact


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Transcript
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Dave and Jerremy grapple with the glee some felt over Charlie Kirk's death,

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calling it a sign of lost humanity.

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They push back on casual Nazi

labels as dangerous devaluation.

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But the deeper dive reveals broken men

driving national divides—how does that

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fracture everything from rights to unity?

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Dave: Let's, since we're already

doing it, let's flip over to, uh,

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to sort of the economic stuff,

the, uh, FOMC meetings this week.

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Things are, you know, like things

are funny in the economy, right?

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Prices are going up, probably

tariff related, but economies

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having some issues like credit card.

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Credit cards are, are,

you keep on going up.

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As far as issues like there's,

there's clearly some stress, you know,

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there's unemployment, particularly

for young people, that's an issue.

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Immigration is probably pushing

some, some levers on the jobs data.

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There was a big revision there.

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People make money when things are

volatile, but people don't make money

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if everything's like really volatile.

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Right.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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The majority of the people will not.

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That is correct.

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You're absolutely

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: So when things are

really volatile and really

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tumultuous, you Correct.

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The majority of people will not

make money 'cause they're scared.

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Volatility just in essence

should, and it should, but it

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does generally scare people.

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But that's, if they don't know the

direction, Volatility when, the

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direction isn't nearly as scary.

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That's because, like a plane, right?

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People are gonna take a

plane versus take a bus.

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'cause

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: it's faster, but faster is by

definition, volatility and velocity.

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So as long as people know where it's going

and they have some information tied to it.

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I think it'll be perfectly fine.

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The reason I don't think that we're

truly in a bubble right now, personally,

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let's call it an asset bubble or stock

bubble, is because earnings are going up.

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Now, are we priced high?

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Too high?

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Yes, I think so.

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But earnings are going up and that is

because people are making more money.

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And that is because companies are able

to reduce a lot of employee workforce.

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That is because of a lot of software.

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Sure, ai, certain tools are coming

in making other jobs faster and more

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cost effective and therefore companies

are making more money right now

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that's why stock prices are going up.

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But at the same time, if people do

have investments into stocks, 4 0 1 Ks,

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IRAs, retirement accounts, so on and so

forth, they're probably at this point,

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most likely doing really well or at

least decently well, they're feeling it.

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And so then they're spending and they

feel safer and they're buying more things

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and more people buying more things.

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And you have a little

bit of tariff pricing.

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Prices are gonna go higher

'cause you have more demand.

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It's all very interesting.

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But with gold at all time highs,

the stock market all time highs,

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pretty much at all time highs.

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Silver, getting back to

some of its all time highs.

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It really is quite interesting to me what

is gonna take that tipping point over.

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And I'm really truly at this exact stage,

not entirely sure what it's gonna be.

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Dave: Reed who we're

interviewing this week.

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It's going out right now.

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He said something that's really

stuck with me, which is Hey, you

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know, these politicians, like,

they don't affect your life.

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This is Tyler.

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He's like, man you have

the most control over you.

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Like these politicians, they might

just like affect you, just like

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this little itty bitty stuff.

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FOIA meetings coming up.

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I think a lot of people

just get focused on that.

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Like, is that gonna affect us all?

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Like stock market?

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Sure.

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That affects a few more

people tariffs and inflation.

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That affects everybody.

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What do you think are the, the big

levers or big, what are people feeling?

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What are Americans feeling right

now as far as their pocketbook

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goes, or as far as the economy goes?

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Do you think it's sideways, up, down?

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Like what?

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What are people, what's the vibe?

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Jerremy: I feel like the majority of

individuals are mostly stressed right

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now about the cost of food and housing.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: these are the

two really big ones.

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Because ultimately man, like boy, oh boy.

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It is expensive out there.

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Mean a trip to the grocery store is

gonna run you 250 bucks for yourself,

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Dave: yeah,

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Jerremy: a

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Dave: and you have a hungry family too.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: Young boys.

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Jerremy: Yep.

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For a week of food.

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And then, all right, so

now the cost of housing,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: we have more demands,

we have more people coming.

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We have a population that's

growing meaning our teenage

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population is really growing, so

demand for homes is increasing.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: yes, you definitely

have immigrants into the country.

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But that's a very small number,

relative to people that need housing.

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Is, it's just a shortage.

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And then with the interest rates and

then the cost of everything, I think the

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people right now, the majority of the

people, the biggest stressor, I'm not

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gonna, I won't use this as cannon fodder

too often, but I did probably watch,

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without exaggerating a hundred hours of

Charlie Kirk videos this weekend really

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to dial in on like, why did people vilify

him so much and why did people hate him

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: So I can't figure that one out.

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But one

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: one of the things that he

did mention that is broken in this

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country, and he did directly mention

right, our president as someone that

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could fix it although he won't is the

husband taking care of the wife and like

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saying, Hey wife, if you don't want to

work, have to stay home with the kids.

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Raise them if you want to,

if that's what you wanna do.

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of the interviews that Charlie was

saying was, I don't believe that

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we should live in a country where

the man and the wife, in order to

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afford life, have to go to work.

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goes, that's a broken system.

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And that is exactly

where we're at right now.

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100%, like for a couple to

have more than one child.

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Both.

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Both parents have to work unless one of

those parents makes over $120,000 a year.

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And I would say that's probably like an

89% of the cities in the US and there's

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probably a very small portion where

that's probably not exactly accurate.

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But it, by the majority, everyone of

our listeners probably feels that pinch

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because again, more than one child, right?

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So if you have two kids and one

person's gonna stay home at work.

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mom or dad, right?

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I know a dad that stays home, but

mom or dad that's gonna stay and take

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care of two or more kids full time,

the other individual has to make

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at least $120,000 a year minimum.

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And that's that's a challenge, man.

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That's just a challenge.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: So I think that's

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Dave: Whereas,

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Jerremy: the vibe.

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Dave: And not too long ago, we're

talking, like my parents you make jokes.

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I'm so old.

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I'm only, like I'm at

I'm early fifties, right?

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Like we're only a few years apart.

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Come on.

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But.

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But in the seventies and the

eighties, you could have a

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single Breadwinning household.

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You didn't have to, like

women were in the workforce.

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Um, and you afforded a

good middle class life.

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And you might even have like

a, a vacation, you know, place.

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You'd definitely be able to go on

good vacations with your family.

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You didn't have a lot of nos.

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You had a lot of options, and

now it's not a lot of options.

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Your money's going out the door.

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It's going to food, it's going to

healthcare, it's going to, housing,

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and there's nothing left over.

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And so you need more and more people.

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Jerremy: What you just said over there.

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I was like, nah, dog.

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That's a quarter million dollars a year.

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And your spouse has a side hustle to

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Dave: Just to do the life

that was in our, my lifetime,

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Jerremy: yep.

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Exactly.

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And to do the whole, and again, op pair

I don't wanna send my kids to school.

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I wanna have constant childcare in

our home 'cause I don't wanna drop 'em

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off 'cause I don't trust or whatever.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: you're talking 300,000

and then that's probably net.

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say net, that means now that's

really after taxes because, so

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it's a very interesting situation

and how do we really solve that?

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The fortunate slash unfortunate part

is, I do think it's gonna be education.

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Meaning, meaning I think it's gonna

be a more focused on the discussion of

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how does one outrun an asset inflation?

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And the short answer for all of our

listeners is create more asset inflation.

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That's how you outrun it.

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Meaning you, you out

asset inflate the asset.

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Assets that will inflate faster than

whatever asset that you need to outrun.

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Yeah.

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Housing costs, food costs.

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So that's what I've done in my life.

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And I did that with the stock market.

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So I said, Hey, the stock

market's gonna move very quickly.

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These stocks might move 50% this year.

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If I put a hundred thousand

dollars into the stock and

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it moves 50%, I make $50,000.

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That $50,000 of movement

is an asset inflation.

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That's what it is.

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The price has

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: So if I, my cost of living

is $50,000 a year and I make 50,000

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trading in the stock market now,

anything else I make on top of that?

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That's the short answer is like you have

to do a faster asset increase to outrun

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Dave: Run faster.

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Yeah.

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Jerremy: Need to learn how

to do that through school

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and through proper education.

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Now second point of that is, I

think the only real reason, the

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only real way we do have a big

inancial reset like we did in:

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not calling for that.

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I don't want that to happen.

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I realize that with every 1%

increase of unemployment suicide

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rates and murder rates and like

just poverty, every 1% increase.

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It's a pretty dramatic number to

the bottom line of individuals

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that are directly impacted.

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that will happen at some point.

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'cause that is human nature, right?

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There is boom bus cycles.

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And within the next 10 years, we

will have another large one, a

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50% plus big market correction.

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But then after that market

correction, we will have the

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strongest 30 to 50 years in history.

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And it'll be extremely powerful.

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And I think that the gap will

still get wider and instead of

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the top 1% being the top 1% will

be the top 2%, maybe the top 3%.

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And in 50 years, Dave when we're all

50 years older, 50 years from now, I

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could easily see a normal car costing

half a million dollars a house costing.

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Three and a half, four, $5 million.

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There will be more millionaires

by a magnitude, except being a

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millionaire will be relatively

relevant because you'll also have

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over 10 trillionaires 50 years, you'll

have tens of thousands billionaires.

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You'll have hundreds of

thousands of billionaires, right?

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And so money will just be more, and

so things will cost more valuations

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will be more, the Dow Jones and 50

years from now be well over a quarter

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million, well over a quarter million.

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And this is a really good chance.

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It'll be at a million that might take

a hundred years, but it, that's coming.

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And right now, this exact moment, this

exact recording, the Dow Jones is at the

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highest price ever at 45,000, 46,000.

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Dave: Wow.

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Jerremy: I'm calling for it

to quadruple or sepal in 50

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years, but that's gonna happen.

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Yeah man, so there it is really,

uniquely interesting and again, that's

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just my theory from an economist or

whatever you wanna call me someone

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who's just aware of the markets.

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But I do believe that the way to shrink in

that gap sure is really proper education

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around all things money and all things

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and all things inflation

and all things like, here's

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how one can speed up processes.

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It doesn't mean it has to be an

automated online coaching business.

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You can absolutely own a car wash and

just crush it for the next 50 years.

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You can do very well in car washes,

but you're gonna have to figure

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out how to automate some things.

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You're gonna figure out how to make

your margins a little bit better and how

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to decrease costs a little bit better.

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And so all those things are

gonna have to be conversations.

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Dave: Nice.

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Alright, let's switch some gears.

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Jerremy: let's do it.

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Dave: Some things that didn't show

up last week because the world

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got blotted out by one thing.

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Epstein files, they were voted on last

week by Congress and it was voted down.

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Like, we're not, nobody's

gonna release anything.

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And this is a funny one, I think.

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You're either like, really in this Epstein

file world or you're like, I don't care.

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But ultimately I think it feels

super covered up for it's felt

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like way that way for a long time.

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But underneath all of that, it

feels like there's just a different

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world for our political leaders

the wealthy that they play by

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different rules and we don't get to.

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Jerremy: Yes.

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Dave: Can you imagine, and that

somehow we're making it partisan.

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Like, how is this partisan?

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I like everybody, all of our

representatives should be saying, of

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course, we want radical transparency

except for this, my god, this stinks.

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Jerremy: It does stink and I don't

even know if I should even say

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it, but I guess I probably will.

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Being on Twitter and all kinds of

different social platforms and falling

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all kinds of different people with

all different colors of hair there

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was one individual that was like,

oh, tinfoil hat, good chance that

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potentially Charlie knew something.

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About the whole vote and about the whole

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Dave: Oh.

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Jerremy: list.

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And he is gonna keep pushing it

and pushing it, and pushing it.

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And again, I will say that Trump will lose

a very large portion of his voter base.

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And this is gonna get swept under the rug.

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And this is the exact moment that

need to get swept under the rug.

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So there's, one of those unfortunate man,

that's a crazy dumb, weird, insane, awful,

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horrible, slightly viable coincidence

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Because

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Dave: government.

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Yeah, that's, yeah.

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We've gotta take the hit sometime, right?

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Jerremy: yeah.

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Dave: We still, we're still looking for j.

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K files.

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They didn't release all of them yet.

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We think ar like we just, yeah, you

can get blamed for, or you can get,

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painted as a conspiracy theorist, but

look, just put out the information.

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That's all we're asking

is just put it out there.

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Take the hit on the Epstein files,

take the hit on UFOs and all of that.

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Just release the hounds.

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Jerremy: I

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Dave: need more institutional

trust and this doesn't do it.

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Jerremy: yeah, I think that correct.

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We do need a lot more institutional

trust, but I think you and I both

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know why they can't release it.

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And that's the unfortunate part is

there's a lot of people and very

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high parts of government we're

obviously there names are on the list.

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And then people that are sleuths

are gonna do some digging

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: gonna find some things

that they do not like and that's

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gonna rattle a lot of cages.

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And that's a big cage that

nobody wants to rattle.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: really ultimately,

that's what it has to be, dude.

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It has to be that same thing

with JFK and same thing with

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UFOs and all the other stuff.

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It's listen, reason they're

not releasing it is obvious.

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Like we can't be that dumb.

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We're like, wait a minute.

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Trump and his entire administration

said that they would release it.

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For sure.

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Definitely.

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Absolutely Would Patrick

be David Grant Cardone and

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Dave: everybody.

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Jerremy: Dana White.

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Yeah, get it out.

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Drain the swamp, take

all the pedophiles out,

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Dave: none of that.

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Jerremy: none of it's happened.

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Dave: None of it.

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Oh my God.

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Jerremy: Super weird.

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Crazy, insane.

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Dave: So I'm gonna put

another link in here.

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Because I listened to an interview

I wouldn't have normally like, hit

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my radar, but it was fascinating.

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It was on Tucker, if you all listen to

this and you're like, oh my god, Tucker

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Carlson, I've never listened, man.

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He's been doing some fascinating

interviews and I'm like, give this

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dude a chance on this interview

because it was with Sam Altman and

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it was, it's only an hour long.

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It's like 50 minutes, and it was, if you

want like the scariest look in the future,

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look at one of the dudes who's driving the

train because Sam Altman and what he said.

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With very basic questions

was terrifying to me.

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It's like most basic

question in the world.

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Okay.

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You have these incredibly powerful

tools that you are creating, that you

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are a part of, you have to train them,

you know, like the training means, it's

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like you have to put on some guardrails.

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You have to, you have to

give it a framework and.

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Tucker was like, and a moral framework.

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You know, because otherwise you,

you have this incredible tool that

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is a sociopath, you know, like, and

he asked the most basic question.

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It's like, okay, what's

the moral framework?

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And Sam Altman couldn't really

answer it, and you could see him.

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Trying to answer it in real time.

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And I'm like, dude, you

are in charge of this.

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Like, you haven't thought this through.

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And he is like, we had this team

of people that, you know, like

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Moralists, that, help us with this.

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And, uh, Tucker's like,

okay, who are they?

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What do they believe?

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And like super simple questions.

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It's like, what are the beliefs and.

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It goes to the conversation

that we had earlier.

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It's like, okay, some people are

celebrating and like, okay and Catholic

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church, like they believe this way.

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These are moral frameworks.

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What are you teach him

this, this beast on?

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And he could not answer it

with any kind of clarity.

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And I'm like, oh wow, that.

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Jerremy: Terrifying.

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Dave: Yeah, so ai, ai, and talk about not

giving our kids like a hope in a future.

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Like they are seeing ahead

and they're seeing like, what

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are my prospects in this?

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Like if my future jobs are

taken away by robots and ai,

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it's what am I gonna be doing?

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I'm like, oh no.

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Any hot takes on our AI discussion,

this is definitely gonna be a

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huge topic for us in the future.

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Jerremy: Yeah, it's gonna

keep compounding for sure.

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The biggest, most advantageously unique

aspect of artificial intelligence

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is not intelligent right now at

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: And that's a terrifying

concept because it will become

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intelligent at some point when,

from who is it learning from and

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Dave: Who

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Jerremy: now.

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Dave: who's your daddy?

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Bro, if you get a Trump ai,

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Dave: Oh.

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Jerremy: I'm not subscribing to that.

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That is, that's a.

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Dave: Or if you get a Ma dung

if you get a Stalin ai, it's I'm

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not listening to that one either.

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So it's ah, he couldn't answer

like, the most basic things.

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Okay, what's it gonna say on suicide?

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Because there's actually like a lot

of news on kids committing suicide

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and using chat GPT or using AI

to get into that or being talked

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into it or like not being healthy.

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It's oh yeah, that keeps me up at night.

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And Tucker's okay, talk to me about that.

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And he couldn't because like the

morality around that is different.

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In some cultures it's this

is completely forbidden.

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This is yeah, there's no thing such

thing as suicide in a lot of countries

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and like Europe or even Canada.

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It's a physician assisted

suicide is a thing.

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In the United States, like we don't talk

about it, but we do ensure that, that

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people pass this happened with my late

wife, like we ensure that people pass

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well, and that is a moral discussion.

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And it's like, well, what are

you training this machine to do?

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You know, and he's like, ah, I don't know.

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Jerremy: It's terrifying.

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Dave: Wow.

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Jerremy: really.

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Sketch big.

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Sketch.

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Big sketch.

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Dave: All right.

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So you live in the gambling capital, one

of the gambling capitals of the world.

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I haven't been to Macau, but I'd like to.

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I'm already setting up a little

trip with my brother from another

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mother to go out to Reno and do some

poker playing, which will also come

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your way since I'll be right there.

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Jerremy: percent.

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Dave: you're.

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You are in Las Vegas and lot of news

about, ah, you know, I hear the ads all

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the time for these sports betting apps.

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And it's just getting bigger and bigger.

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I have some pretty

strong opinions on this.

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If gambling is available everywhere

and it doesn't lead to good things,

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economy's, uh, dry, it sucks people dry.

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Like, these are serious, addictive

things, you know, like I, I have, I

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do have some strong opinions on that.

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I really do think that, you know, you

need to put a bit of a fence around

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this to ensure that, you know, you're

not destroying a ton of lives, but

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you can pull up these apps and these

apps are targeted at people who lose.

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Like if you win on these

apps, they kick you off.

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And these sports betting things like

they are making bank, I don't know.

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What do you think?

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You're in Vegas.

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Jerremy: I am in Vegas.

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So I've literally not even

giving it any thought until

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your exact question right now.

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And so I'm just gonna do

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Dave: Good

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Jerremy: of consciousness.

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Dave: hot take.

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Jerremy: I were president and I was

tasked with creating rules, regulations,

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or information around betting it would

be a vice personally that I would

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put pretty stringent rules around.

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And here's why.

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The majority of people that bet lose

the majority of people that gamble

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lose, and there are much better economic

ways, much more economic viable ways.

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To make money that are

guaranteed AKA by assets.

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I don't like gambling.

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If you are a Christian a big

no-no in the Bible, right?

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You're not supposed to be a gambler.

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You're not supposed to gamble

it's like a, no, don't do this.

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Some people have called the stock

market gambling, but I can come

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up with 455 different mathematical

reasons why it's not gambling,

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as a professional gambler, right?

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Someone who does gamble and generally can

get kicked off of apps because I will win

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if I were to create rules around gambling,

it would be credit score related.

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And you'd have to fill out an application

and you'd have to get approved.

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So if you make $40,000 a

year, you can't gamble.

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I love you.

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I'm sorry.

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Here's why you can't gamble.

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You don't have enough money.

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You're broke and you're not gonna be

able to get up into the higher income

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earning portions of your family.

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If you gamble with $40,000.

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You need to learn how

to invest appropriately.

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You make $400,000 a year, fuck it.

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Roll some dice.

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Who cares?

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: all of your money.

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It's gonna be your fault.

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I'm perfectly fine with companies

making money off of gamblers.

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I'm all good with that.

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That's why the whales, right?

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These huge individuals monetarily

that bring in so much money

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in revenue into casinos.

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you make $10 million a year

and you wanna blow $3 million

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on a sports bet, go for it.

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Knock yourself out.

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But there should be a financial

threshold in my personal opinion.

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And I think that's also a way.

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To allow the individuals and

the populace of any country, but

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specifically the United States of

America that don't make as much money.

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them, Hey, listen, you can't gamble

'cause you don't have enough stock assets.

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Let's go increase your stock holdings.

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Let's go make you more money in the

stock world and do it appropriately.

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Dave: I'm down with that.

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Like we have age restrictions on things.

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There's investment things you can't

do if you don't have enough assets.

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There's all sorts of restrictions.

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Alex: Next up, Dave probes international

chaos from Somalia to the Middle

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East, questioning endless conflicts.

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Jerremy pushes for letting

others sort their fights.

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But as they weigh isolationism

against globalism, the real

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tension builds—if we pull back,

what pressures boil over at home?

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About the Podcast

Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

With dynamic formats—one-on-one interviews, panel discussions, and more—we cut through the noise of divisive rhetoric to uncover practical ideas that unite instead of divide. If you’re ready to think differently, act boldly, and join a movement for meaningful change, subscribe now.