You Hold the Pen: Fear, Nervous System, and the Agent Ownership Fight
Companies already view payroll as a tax, and private equity is quietly consolidating the trades — that's stated plainly before any optimism enters. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley and guests Ryan Kohler and Sarah Montana open on nervous-system basics — quiet time, morning light, breathwork, hydration — as the floor for staying functional during prolonged workplace volatility. The old American employment deal isn't being renegotiated; it's dissolving, and no government, school, or company addicted to the status quo will adapt first. In the lightning round, the biggest lie sold to 18-year-olds gets a name: the idea that one fixed career path exists. The episode closes on the question the whole series has been circling — when the dust settles, will employers own the AI agents, or will workers.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Breathwork before the boardroom – managing fear when the deal breaks down
- (03:39) You hold the pen – personal agency replaces the old American contract
- (10:36) Lightning round – career lies, payroll as a tax, PE buying the trades
- (17:45) Who owns the agents – the question that closes everything
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Transcript
Sarah rebuilt from real collapse—she didn't wait for stability, she built it.
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:Now Jerremy asks what this series has been
CIRCLING: when everything shifts under
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:your feet, what keeps your nervous system
from breaking you BEFORE you even start?
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:Jerremy Newsome: Fear is always a
primary obstacle for someone navigating.
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:Anything but let's say navigating the
volatility of the, you know, of the
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:change and the shifting of the workplace.
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:Since you are, and you work with wellness
CEOs very often, how, how do the wellness
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:and biohacking practices that you
teach and work with help individuals
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:actually move the needle on their fear
and their anxiety and their worry as
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:we do approach these massive changes
for the people who need to hear it.
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:Sarah Montana: Ooh, goodness.
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:I think right now it's, All about, going
back to balance and all those things
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:of nerve, nervous system regulation.
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:I feel like right now in the world that
we're in, like, it is so easy to have all
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:of these different things coming at you.
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:and I think really being able
to take the time to be grounded.
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:the other thing that I like is
being able to use AI as my thought
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:partner to really figure out
what it is that I'm trying to do.
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:So taking the time and energy to get quiet
before you can go in and actually create
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:the life that you're wanting to create.
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:and so that for me is what I try to
do of getting out in nature, doing
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:those types of things, walking.
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:but I allow my brain to, to create
my, my dreams and my vision when
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:I'm taking that time to get quiet.
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:Ryan Kohler: Yeah.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Okay.
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:Ryan Kohler: I would second that, like
that reg, there are simple habits that
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:do not like, there's clearly as a one
percenter, biohacker that spends has
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:an infinite budget on biohacking stuff.
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:but even the cheap ones that,
like this morning I got up, I
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:walked, I drank a glass of water.
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:I went outside, I walked up the
hill, I got lights in my eyes.
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:I saw stuff going past me.
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:Like I didn't, I wasn't on my
phone and I wasn't with somebody.
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:I was an hour of silence.
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:Like outside by myself, not, oh
my gosh, we're gonna go and chat.
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:Chatt chat about the world ending.
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:No, like literally walk outside.
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:Go for a walk by yourself with nature.
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:Listen to the birds.
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:Listen to the noise.
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:Be here now in this moment, just to set
that regulation flow of like, okay, cool,
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:like I come back, I float out a blog post.
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:Like, but that one habit is free.
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:Like $0
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: resets, like
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: seto.
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:Clearly I'm gonna run that
and like shock my vagus nerve.
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:You could do V breath or
do breath, breath work or
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Ryan Kohler: may be, but a common
practice, not like overthinking it.
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:super easy every single morning.
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:Full glass water, right when
you get up, jump out of bed,
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:get outside, go for a walk.
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:Get light in your eyes.
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:No sunglasses, no conversation.
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:Just go be with nature.
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:And by nature it could be like, hug a
tree, take your shoes off, stand in grass.
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:Like whatever it is.
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:But that connecting back.
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:the earth that we were created
on, just to have a consistent, all
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: I can get back at it.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Resting of the nervous system.
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:No, for sure, ma'am.
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:Well, I mean, the thesis of this
whole series is that the old American
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:deal is dissolving and nobody
really has a written replacement.
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:And I think this will be a just a fun
chat as we start to slowly wrap up
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:between a man who spent two decades
inside the hiring machine, and a woman
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:who helped build the path herself.
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:What would you say the first
couple paragraphs of the
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:new contract actually say?
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:We'll start with Sarah and then Ryan.
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:Sarah Montana: So say the
question one more time.
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:Jerremy Newsome: What's the
new contract job going forward?
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:Everything is changing the people in 2047.
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:What's the new American dream that's
being sold to everybody all the time?
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:Always,
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:Sarah Montana: I think it's that
you hold the pen, like you hold the
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:pen to the contract like you are.
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:narrator of your own story and that you
get to choose how this is going to evolve.
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:You get to choose how you show up.
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:You get to show, you get to,
decide how you're going to write
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:the next chapters of your life.
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:Dave: So
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:Jerremy Newsome: yeah.
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:Dave: let me ask you about that
because I, we've heard this in several
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:interviews and I'm hearing it again
today, is that there's, there's so
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:much, individual agency, not only
that you have to, to just do, but that
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:you're responsible for, and I don't
think anybody would disagree with that.
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:Right.
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:I think my question is that I'm, I'm
still working through is what's the.
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:Like, we're, we don't
exist as individuals.
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:We in, we exist in communities
and businesses, in, in
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:governments and schools.
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:So like what's, what's the responsibility?
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:Or at least how can government,
business, schools, communities help?
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:Ryan Kohler: What I, I think there's
a million different ways that all
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:those things can happen if you reset
back to when it wasn't controlled by
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:money, but it is controlled by money
and all of that takes away our power.
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:Everything about that question
says that somebody else needs to
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:take power and solve this problem.
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:So like they can't, and the reason
why they can't and most likely won't,
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:comes down to like two main parts.
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:Part number one, they are addicted
to the status quo, period.
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:Full stop.
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:What gives them power
is the old structure.
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:They are not going to disrupt
themselves, just like humans aren't.
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:Until they're forced to, they're
currently choosing their heart.
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:So every one of those organizations
you just listed out is currently
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:holding on to the status quo for as
long as possible, because that is,
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:in its best interest to squeeze every
last ounce out of the status quo.
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:It is not going to
deliberately choose, right?
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:It's just not, so my personal opinion
is quit looking for it to do that,
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:start at the bottom and build back up.
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:That starts with you, and then
it goes to your family, and then
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:This idea that the government,
like how are a bunch of people
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:I signed up.
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:I'm officially AI ready.
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:I got 10 text messages across 10 days
from the fricking Trump administration
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:that taught me what I learned in 20
minutes two and a half years ago.
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:How will the government teach
a workforce to use AI when
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:they don't know how to use it?
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:They won't.
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:Central planning like that doesn't
work on a new disruptive technology.
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:How will the school system who are
addicted to the default status quo?
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:How would a college campus
give you a great example?
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:The college campus currently spends
all of its money indexing on quality
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:education, which equals accreditation,
which equals more and more professors.
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:I applied for a job two
years ago to go teach ai.
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:I only have a lowly MBA and a massive
track record of success in business, but
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:look at your local college and
ask yourself this one question,
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:what percentage of their
budget goes to career services?
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:A fraction of a fraction of
a fraction of a percentage.
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:So will they change they have to?
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:But disruption never
comes from those in power.
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:So disruption has to come
from the disaffected niches
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:binding together to start it.
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:And that's why it starts at the lowest
level is, and so I am going to do
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:this, and then we will go and do that.
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:we're just picking tribes and we're gonna
be pitted against each other because
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:the way that the status quo keeps us
in power is it keeps us distracted
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:fighting over a, a bogus choice.
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:That's that's how, that's how power
is currently maintained in America.
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:We keep the public distracted,
fighting left or right.
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:I'm not on either side.
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:They're all full of shit.
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:They're all just a power grab to control
the public by dividing off up into
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:tribes and point us at each other.
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:The only way you solve that is you start
at the base and you say, I'm going to
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:do X anybody wants to come with me.
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:You can tag along, but I'm headed
this direction and it's gonna be cool.
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:And the reason it's gonna be cool, if you
think about like what that requires is
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:step one, the way I view the world, this
is like stoic thing from obstacles away.
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:My view of the world, my lens
of the world makes a huge
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:impact on the world around me.
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:see what I look for.
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:If I see problems, if I look
for problems, I see problems.
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:If I look for opportunity, I see
opportunity, step one, step two, accept
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:that there are things outta my control
and accept that there are things in my
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:control and I'm gonna shove my stick
forward on what I'm in control of.
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:And I'm gonna push as
hard as I can into it.
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:Dave: I'm, I'm
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:Sarah Montana: I think that's the thing.
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:Dave: Yeah, sorry.
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:Ryan Kohler: Yeah,
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:Dave: What I'm
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:Sarah Montana: No, sorry, just.
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:Dave: businesses can't help.
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:Communities can't help.
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:In fact, they won't help
because of status quo.
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:They're going to maintain and
they are going to get in your way.
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:Ryan Kohler: they are
going to help themselves.
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:The economy and capitalism
is inherently selfish.
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:Every single one of those organizations
is going to help themselves.
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:And maybe if it happens to align,
you might get something out of it,
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:but they are going to help themselves
to a portion of the status quo.
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:So Canna business solve
it a hundred percent.
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:What they will do is they will bring
AI in, they'll teach their team.
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:When they get more efficiency,
the value will go to the person
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:who made the investment in ai.
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:IE The profit will go to the owners,
and I don't have a problem with that.
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:Cool.
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:They took deliberate action.
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:So the power goes to the person
who takes deliberate action,
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:takes the risk, who steps forward.
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:We believe in the free
market, economic system.
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:Rewards go to the risk takers.
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:So when we look for the community to
take the risk, then the rewards are
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:going to go those who took the risk.
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:And so that's like, it's just a,
like, you can say it's wrong or right.
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:It, it's immaterial.
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:It is just the current power structure.
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:the physics, it's our
economic physical laws, right?
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:There's the laws of physics inside
of the American economy, I need to
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:take risk, take deliberate action,
sustain it, and like disrupt it.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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:Great.
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:Great context.
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:Super awesome information.
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:You two, I love.
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:It brings us to the lightning rounds.
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:I will let anyone or either or both
of you answer the question and then
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:we'll just move on to the next one.
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:You all know how lightning Rounds work.
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:You've been on all the podcasts
and listen to a bunch of them.
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:Finish this sentence.
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:The biggest lie we are still telling
18 year olds about their future is
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:Ryan Kohler: So they should follow a
path that's laid out, lit, literally
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:Jerremy Newsome: mm-hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:This is the only way it's gonna work.
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:I.
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:Ryan Kohler: there is a path,
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:Jerremy Newsome: That's right.
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:Ryan Kohler: their lifelong trajectory.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: there's a career
that takes me from high school
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:to retirement on a golf course
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Ryan Kohler: that we're
writing one book I,
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:Jerremy Newsome: Love that.
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:Ryan, finish this sentence.
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:The thing large companies
know about AI and headcount,
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:they'll never say publicly is.
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:Ryan Kohler: that, payroll is a tax on
their profits, and that reducing that
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:payroll will increase profitability and
that Sam Altman would like to help them do
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:that by him taking a little bit in tokens
and them taking a little bit in profits.
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:And the human has been a, a necessary
evil taxing profits for so long.
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:We just haven't come up
with the solution for it.
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:Until Sam Altman did,
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:Jerremy Newsome: Wild.
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:Ryan Kohler: that I
mean Elon and everybody
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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:Sarah, what's one AI habit you are
trying to build in your kids that most
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:parents are getting completely wrong?
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:Sarah Montana: That, yeah,
that, that using AI is cheating.
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:That they need to, they need to
be using it on a daily basis.
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:They need to be able to, use
it to expand their thought, use
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:Jerremy Newsome: Love it.
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:Ghost jobs, legitimate market
signal, or should they be illegal?
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:Ryan Kohler: I don't think there
is persistent, as you would think.
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:I think that the feeling that there's
a bunch of jobs out there that aren't
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:actually real, and that's why I'm not
hearing back, I is a easy way to explain
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:a hard problem, which is, people are
getting a thousand applicants per job
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:and the world is changing so fast that
they may post a job and then their
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:manager says, Hey, let's hold off.
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:Uncertainty creates chaos.
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:And so we're seeing chaos.
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:it's not as, it's not what
people think it is like that.
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:That's not the core problem.
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:A AI and AI judging your resume
also not the core problem.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm.
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:Ryan Kohler: bigger problem is I
can apply to a hundred times more
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twoit to shine up their resume.
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:Everybody's resume looks great
and they're all full of shit.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Good point.
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:Ryan Kohler: a thousand resumes,
they all sound the same.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Love that.
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:All right, awesome.
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:The trades are being sold as
the fix for the college problem.
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:What's the part of that
pitch that nobody is saying?
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:Ryan Kohler: Private equity.
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:Private equity is freaking up the trades.
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:And it, it is, Hey, you should
learn skills and capabilities.
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:You should learn to do those things.
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:But BT Dubs, those companies are
currently massively being disrupted by
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:private equity coming in, the space,
consolidating those companies, and
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:So while that may be a protected job,
the safer job go work for the government,
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:the government's gonna be the last
place with their doors open, right?
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:But yes is, are there opportunities there?
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:There's a bunch of opportunities.
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:You are also going to have to
learn to start your own business.
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gonna come in and make you their slave.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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:I think a lot of people
need to be aware of that.
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:I think a lot of people
need to be aware of that.
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:In a few words, what is the
future of the American worker?
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:Sarah Montana: AI agent workforce,
having, having AI agents
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: I'd say the same thing.
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:Agency.
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:Your only question is who will own them?
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: Meaning is your
business gonna own agents and
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:they'll be your coworkers?
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:Or are you going to own agents
and they will be your workers?
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:That's the only question that every,
like the only question for:
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any other question.
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:Who will own the agents will your boss
and you'll work with them and therefore
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taking more and more of the payroll money.
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you will come with your team of
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:The answer to that question will
dictate the next decade of America.
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:Who
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:Sarah Montana: Brian and I have been
talking about that as far as like
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of like, are you actually adding
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of like, Hey, this comes with me.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm.
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:Ryan Kohler: only question though.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Whoa, cool.
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:Ryan Kohler: all of it.
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:I show up to work, the reason why
people hire me and Sarah because when
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include people and agents.
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:you hire me to build you
something, what comes with me
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:That right there is the question.
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you wanna take, but you don't
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:So the input is will I be
building my own agents?
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disrupted by agents built by other people?
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ryan Kohler: gonna go into the trades
and you're gonna become a plumber,
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:then what marketing and sales agents
are you building to get you business?
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:still need agents to get you business.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Love it.
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:Remarkable chat.
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:Incredible conversation.
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:Ryan.
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:Sarah, thank you for your energy,
your enthusiasm, your knowledge, your
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:That just gives us insight
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:Sarah Montana: All
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:Jerremy Newsome: into what's going on.
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:For all of the listeners who received
so much value, feel, how can they
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:connect with you, follow you, learn more
about the work that you two are doing.
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:Ryan Kohler: For me, jump to refer.io.
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:we have a YouTube channel.
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:Go hop on it.
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:You can go subscribe
to job alerts on there.
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:Like you teed this up as Ryan,
you know, came from corporate
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:and build all these ATSs.
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:Right now I have 20 million active job
seeker subscribers that we teach AI
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:And so go subscribe.
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:You'll get our emails, you'll get
our free AI advice and training.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Sick.
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:Sarah Montana: For me,
it's Sarah montana.ai.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Easy.
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:Easy.
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:You guys are so cool with your
with your dot, iOS and ais what?
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:I love it.
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:Well thank you.
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:You are awesome.
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:Sarah Montana: Appreciate it.
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:Dave: All right.
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:What did you learn?
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:Jerremy Newsome: You know what stood out
to me on that one that I probably hadn't
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:And I think this is a good
reminder of like, Hey, put it on
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:Space.
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:Dave: up there?
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:Jerremy Newsome: Because Ryan said,
Hey, that's, that's the next frontier
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:where if jobs we're gonna create more
jobs, maybe it's not here on Earth,
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like, yeah, I get that.
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you know, space Mobile and Rocket Labs.
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:Jerremy Newsome: There are gonna be a
lot of travel opportunities, and again,
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can't do, that robots might, but we
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even see a world where we do go back into
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actually make better, higher quality food
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for everyone so that people don't go
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kind of mind blowing, but that happens.
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that there's gonna be a beautiful.
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people make a pretty large divergence
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and abundance or fear and scarcity?
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going down this world of like
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everyone's happy and healthy, and.
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:That actually is a very obtainable, I
believe, and again, world peace, probably
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dropping the access to clean water, so
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not so many people dying on a daily
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and having certain people that that
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or whatever, that actually have the
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income, make it faster, make it quicker
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actually go and do that purpose work,
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they are instilled to do in their hearts.
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that does make me think, wow.
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was a couple of things.
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you know, like every, every shot
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:on goal didn't start with, you
know, that wasn't the first shot.
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:And you know, like, it, it was, you
know, like you, you, you put in the time,
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10,000 hours or whatever it is, and.
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you, you mentioned in like one of our
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was giving you, you know, giving you
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SOPs written down for your businesses,
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all of the are in your business.
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I've done for the work that we do, right?
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of, of AI agents, the number of
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you know, so that we have, you
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:Dave: it was mostly set up for my
sanity and, and as a force multiplier.
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I'm, I'm doing is that 10 x right?
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that also, that I don't have any
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the reps get in there and, and use
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know, like I'll be deep in, after a
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starting the, process of you know,
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work, you know, for, you know,
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done through ais because, you know, like
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greatest of, you know, how to do this
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ai, go, go in and, and do your reps
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in AI that it's, it's not.
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how to, you know, it's like,
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struggling with, and maybe it's my
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had, has had some headwinds of late,
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and a little bit dark for, for
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know, like, this is all on you.
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from other interviews that we've had.
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individual work, individual achievement,
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it lets off the hook.
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folks, you know the guys, you know, people
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running businesses, the people who are in
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person that is a failure of management.
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of, of not seeing ahead.
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know, predicting, you know, a
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for your bottom line, but
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we letting those folks off the
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or with, you know, government?
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needs to come in and solve anything,
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these people accountable, so.
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is like, look, you can't count on
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to because they are the ones that
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onto their power and the status quo.
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optimistically that, that we are,
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a, a collective good that we want to be
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evening and be like, you know, like,
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it's like, look, we want to attract
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those businesses are also going to be.
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people that they work for, that the,
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wheel and need to be replaced, which
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problem are the people and we want to
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rid of these, you know, these, these,
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you know, like how dare they allow
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with so much debt and the inability
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of, of, you know, like every.
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can put on their back.
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you, you had one job and you failed it
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are, are, are getting out Without the
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the ways of thinking and a ton of debt,
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if, if, if these folks, if these groups
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me, it's the same way of saying, well.
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responsibilities either.
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like your friends don't have any
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like I have responsibilities for
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community and all of those things.
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in my heart to say it's all on me.
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a full force of of human that
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lot of statement, not a lot
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heard the word meat suit in a long time,
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that we are just spaceships for microbes
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us around to make us do their bidding.
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:Dave: we are, we're just the, the
sex organs for the digital machines.
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that's a good one too.
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:a great, great podcast.
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:Great episode, great series.
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:We have two more, individuals coming up
that we're gonna interview and then we
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shaking it up and learning more about bi
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:and UBI, basic income, universal basic
income, other cool acronyms that are.
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that'll start kicking off in May.
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:This is solving America's problems if
you are loving these episodes and getting
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:I mean, I learned tons in today's
series that really are gonna kind of
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into using AI and using the prompts,
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that are all gonna come from that.
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might have a job or want a job, or
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:need a job, or would like to have a
job because this series just covered
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