Episode 192

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1st Apr 2026

Will AI Make Trade Schools the New Path for Young Americans?

Jerremy Alexander Newsome asks Spencer and Dave to forecast how AI will reshape America’s workforce over the next 25 years. Spencer predicts corporate slides and analytics done by AI, pushing young workers toward trade schools and hands-on skilled trades. Healthcare becomes more efficient and potentially cheaper. Dave says the U.S. lacks coordinated workforce planning like Denmark, Germany, Singapore, and Japan. Younger workers feel uncertain while older ones fear being boxed out. Spencer urges learning AI and its drawbacks without overcommitting. The old American deal broke due to expensive debt-financed degrees and unaffordable housing. Invest, avoid crushing debt, build people skills and real-world connections.

Timestamps:

  • (00:14) AI will automate corporate slides and analytics over the next 25 years – Spencer predicts this pushes more young workers into trade schools and hands-on skilled trades while making healthcare efficient and cheaper
  • (04:21) U.S. has zero coordinated industry-academia-government workforce planning – unlike Denmark, Germany, Singapore, and Japan, leaving younger workers uncertain and older ones fearing they’re boxed out
  • (06:22) Learn AI and its drawbacks but don’t overcommit to one idea – Spencer’s one thing every millennial needs to hear
  • (08:03) Lightning Round – quick facts on what actually still matters in the AI era
  • (14:07) The biggest lie the laptop class tells itself – that traditional desk work and credentials will keep delivering
  • (16:00) Old American deal broke from expensive debt-financed degrees plus unaffordable housing – closing takeaways on investing, avoiding debt, and building people skills plus real connections

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Spencer's spent a decade inside the firms writing the next workforce — his

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25-year forecast isn't "learn to code."

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Jerremy wants to know what

system America is missing...

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and DAVE already knows

which countries built it.

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Jerremy: What does 25

years from now look like,

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mean, I get it.

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I get it.

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It's gonna be

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giant

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hypothetical all the way into the future.

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It's probably too far even imagine,

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but let's just do it for a bit.

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Where do you see America

as a country going

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as

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it

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relates to the, workforce

and to all the people using

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adopting,

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shifting into AI's already fully here.

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What's the country look like?

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Spencer Conley: Yeah.

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You know, actually I read an article that

got me thinking actually this morning.

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I think it's, it's gonna it's gonna

change a lot, you know, working in

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corporate America and, And consulting.

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I think my job's gonna change a lot, to

be honest with you it's gonna be more

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people focused, you know, shaking hands,

going to conferences, things like that

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Whereas where a lot of my work is now,

slide development, data analytics is all

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gonna be done by my junior resource ai.

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Right.

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but I do think there's gonna be a

big shift in the younger generation,

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the younger workforce going into

trade schools, going into, you know,

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machining or specific engineering

trades, things where, you know, you

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can drive out a van to go do something.

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I think that is where a lot of folks are,

are thinking about pivoting to because

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it feels secure, it's a specific skill.

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I don't think, you know, we're gonna

have 25 years from now, know, an AI

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engineer come in and fix, you know,

lighting in your house, which, which

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is, it's a little bit morbid because

that's, you know, not necessarily

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where you might want the, the brightest

minds to go of the younger generation.

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But I think that's where a lot of you

know, highly financially motivated and

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highly self-driven people from our younger

generation are gonna pivot towards.

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where does the thought leadership go?

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you know, outside of those spaces,

hopefully not to ai, but I don't really

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see like, a necessarily like clear

path for that to happen unless you

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get into academia or PhD in science

or, you know, healthcare space.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Which you're gonna,

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I love how you said, you

know, most impacted to least

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impacted, I mean, healthcare,

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health

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space, doctors, hospitals, right.

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Imaging

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vascular

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becomes so much more efficient.

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and.

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Help,

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help hopefully decrease a

lot of the costs as well.

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'cause healthcare in the US is

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too expensive.

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so

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there's gonna be a lot of

fun, a lot of fun changes, and

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a lot of ones that are scary.

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What

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about you, Mr.

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Dave Conley?

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If you had to daydream,

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Yeah.

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Three, five years from now look like?

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DC.

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Dave: Oh man.

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I think it's, it's,

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we, we, can't predict

more than than five and.

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For, for me, I, I, you know, I think like

we are at the inflection point right now,

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and, and it's, it's, it's no kidding.

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you know, like we're in a, a world of,

of sort of a, a lot of, I mean, there's

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a lot of change and it's a lot of, a

lot of, a lot of shifting, you know,

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shifting stuff under our feet, you know,

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and I know that I, I feel like that the

younger folks are, are concerned about

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like what their opportunities might be.

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I don't know.

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You tell me, Spence,

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Like,

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you know, like

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what's the, you know, like

what's the long term of things?

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and I think older workers are,

are scared of being boxed out.

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You know, it's like you don't

wanna lose your job in your,

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you know, forties and fifties.

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so, you know, if there's an economic

downturn, it might happen anyways, but is

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there gonna be a job on the other side?

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you know, like what?

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I mean, what I think about

Spence is like other,

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other countries

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like Denmark and Germany

and Singapore and Japan,

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like they have this real

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connection between

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industry, so enterprise industry

and academia and government.

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They all come together to be like, okay,

this is, these are the kind of things that

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we need to teach and be, and, and shape,

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you know, the entire workforce and.

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Like they're, they're

really deliberate about it.

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And in America it's like we

put everything on the worker.

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I mean, you've seen how, you

know, companies make these

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decisions from the inside.

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Is, is it,

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do we need to change something

in the United States and model

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what other countries do or do

they need to be more like us?

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Spencer Conley: Yeah, I I, I think

maybe a a healthy combination of both.

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I think, you know, the, the coming

together of higher education

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and government and industry

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on like, where do we

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really wanna drive

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this, given this like, incredible

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technology moving forward as a

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society is like

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a big picture, moment that, that

we just don't have right now.

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and I think it's leading

to, you know, a lot of

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competing interests and, you know, in.

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Right now in the economy,

it's, you know, how do

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we cut costs and how do we do

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things a little bit faster?

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So without that like unified vision and

how we're, we're teaching the younger

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generation on how to, how to execute

this vision, it's just gonna lead to

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more cutthroat mentality, which is

gonna lead to, you know, decreased,

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potentially decreased opportunities

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Jerremy: mm-hmm.

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Spencer Conley: In the workforce.

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But.

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Yeah.

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I mean that's, it's a really,

it's a really problem.

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I mean, now we're seeing

where, where I'm seeing a

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lot of folks like the

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college entering the

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workforce, come into

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provide value and, and leverage

AI is like, they, it, it's almost

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like, it's like a competition,

you know, it's like a shark tank.

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They just start playing around with AI

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come up with something

that they think is a

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a take market opportunity that they,

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can do better than

somebody else or that isn't

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being done.

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and come up with this cool coding

idea and try to use AI to, to scale

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it But, you know, it's either taking

another company's job or white space

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opportunities for a, a net new idea are

becoming fewer and far between, I think.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yep.

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You, you really

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hinted

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towards this.

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I'll ask you more directly, before we

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go,

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before I

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go

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through some other quick questions.

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You

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are, you know, you and I

both, but we're really in that

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Cohort, let's call it,

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of

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what the series

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is about and, and who is really gonna

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be impacted

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knowing

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everything you know,

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the

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data, the clients.

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If you could grab

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every

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American your age by the shoulders

and tell them one thing about

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their working future that the

system is not preparing them for.

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Spencer, what

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are you saying

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to

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them?

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Spencer Conley: Oh,

that's a great question.

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I had a couple of conversations with, with

friends and peers recently about this.

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would, I would shake them and

say, learn about ai, learn how to

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use it, learn what it can do, and

what some of the drawbacks are.

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also don't put all of

your eggs in that basket.

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So understand what it can do.

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Have all the information to

think critically about it, and

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don't just latch onto one single

idea or one single use case.

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'cause I think that just

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laser focuses people on like an idea.

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They think, oh, okay, well

now I have this great idea.

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I can use AI for this specific use case,

and come up with a company about it.

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But like, that's,

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I just think that's a little too laser

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focused.

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think big picture.

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Also, you know, think about what you truly

enjoy doing personally and even outside

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of work and see if there's, there's a

way that you can grow a career in that,

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that might not even be technology based.

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I think there's a, a little wake

up moment that I'm seeing a lot of

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my peers that have been working for

about 10 years kind of hit and they're

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like, I don't really like doing

what I've been doing for 10 years.

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I really like skiing.

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I'm gonna go out and, you know,

maybe work at Vail or Breckenridge

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or something like that.

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Right.

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So like.

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I think our generation was previously

shamed for thinking things like

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that, but I would keep an open mind.

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Jerremy: Yeah,

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totally.

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Totally,

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totally.

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All

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right, let's do a quick lightning round.

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You

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get an answer as long

or as fast as you want.

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Spencer Conley: Cool.

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Jerremy: Alright.

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Learn to code.

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this still good career advice in 2026?

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Spencer Conley: Y this is a,

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I've thought about this.

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So I, I had to learn code on the fly.

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I would say yes because it helps you think

through problems, in a very unique way,

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that will help you even outside of coding.

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But no, if you think it's gonna

actually just get you a high paying job,

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Jerremy: I

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like it.

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Finish

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this sentence.

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The old American deal broke because of.

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Spencer Conley: the old American deal.

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Broke because of.

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this isn't the whole problem, but

probably, you know, just in the sense

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that you need to get a four year degree

and that four year degree can cost you

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$160,000, but that's your barrier to

entry to get the professional workforce,

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Jerremy: bro.

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Yes,

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yes.

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And

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also

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Spencer Conley: buying a house.

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Jerremy: Yeah, the, Old

American deal broke because

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it's

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built on an educational system that's

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been in place since the late 18

hundreds, and the entire country

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has changed so dramatically and so

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hugely, and that hasn't

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all.

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That's

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why,

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Dave: Well,

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then it was,

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Jerremy: right?

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Dave: well, and then it

was financed by debt.

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So, so it was like

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you, you take, take a system and then you

pour an enormous amount of money on top

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of it and like, well, what do you expect?

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Spencer Conley: But it's also,

and I, you know, I keep coming

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back to my wife 'cause she, she

thinks about this stuff a lot too.

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But it's also, I think we were

all told you need to buy a

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house to become successful.

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Like, you gotta get married,

you gotta buy a house.

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Right.

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All of the jobs are in cities, cities,

houses are so expensive, outrageously

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expensive, so you gotta get the high

paying job, but the house is worth way

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or priced way more than it's worth.

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You feel like you need

to stretch to get that.

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but there isn't like a thought

of like, move out of the

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city, leverage remote work.

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and you can be very successful and save a

lot of money if, if you rent consistently.

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I think that's, impacting a lot of

my generation, at least right now.

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Is

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there a book that you read that

changed your mindset on that or gave

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you that shift or awakening Spencer?

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Spencer Conley: No, it was

really just peer peer learning.

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we bought a house, so like I

didn't fall into that, but we were

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really on the precipice of do we

just continue to rent and live in

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where we wanna live and save money?

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But we, we did end up buying a house.

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No, there, there wasn't a piece of

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literature that, that really mm-hmm.

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Influenced

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us.

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Mm-hmm.

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It was seeing friends to buy

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homes and then not be able to do

anything that they really enjoy and

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then continue to just work really

hard to be able to pay for said house.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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mean, I see it too.

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And again, this, this,

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I wouldn't say the series is dedicated

to that directly, but there's,

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there's definitely a unique shift.

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And I mentioned to Dave in

a previous episode, I think

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that we should change the.

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American

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Dream from owning a home to owning a

thousand shares of the s and p 500,

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or the spy, right?

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Spencer Conley: I love it.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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It's

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like make that your shift because

one is a debt fueled instrument that

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essentially you pay into.

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And with mortgages and with interest

rates as they are approximately presently,

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your

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house needs to double in value.

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Over

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30 years to then when you sell it,

you actually end up making any return.

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granted, you can do a lot faster,

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obviously,

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you are buying and living in

it and you're going, again, the

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traditional American deal route,

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get married, get four

year degree, buy a house,

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work

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20 years, live in that

house, pay the house off,

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like

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haven't actually made any money.

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right.

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You know, both of your money is

going to debt and it's not pro

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producing any income, which makes

it, by definition a liability.

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Spencer Conley: Right?

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Jerremy: Yeah,

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Spencer Conley: absolutely.

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That, that's actually something, you

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know, I'd build

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on and say like actually Dave,

you know, being my, my uncle,

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really?

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Helped out with is, I think early in

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my career, I'd sat, he sat me down and I

asked like, what should I do financially?

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And a lot of it was

invest in the s and p 500.

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And I did that, without thinking about,

like, I wasn't even thinking about buying

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a house, but that foundation over 10 years

before I bought a house, not using that

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money for a house, did lay the foundation

for me to be a little bit more flexible

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down the road And is probably a better

financial investment than the house.

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I'm taking this podcast from.

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Jerremy: Yeah, no, I feel you, man.

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Dave: for your wedding, you almost

got 50 shares of, of, of Tesla.

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But I, I, I couldn't figure out how

to get the, get the share thing so.

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Jerremy: Well, I, love it.

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I love, I love that.

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I love that awareness.

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And, and I will also say, you know,

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because Grant

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Cardone

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posts

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on Twitter five times a

day, and I follow Grant,

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and I agree with some

of the things he says.

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I'm like 50 50 on Grant Cardone

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The, the the house thing is always one

that I have kind of agreed with for a

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long period of time where it's like, Hey,

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use

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your money that you want and then

go buy an asset and then rent

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liabilities.

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right?

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and, and.

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and similar to what you did.

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You, I heard you say it right?

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You and your wife were renting, and

then you had your money in the s and

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p, and then that grew and you were

able to leverage that through whatever,

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down payments or just collateral or

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know, your assets on your

p and l balance sheet.

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Hey, I can't afford to buy this house.

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And so you did.

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And that is also because.

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are

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other

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people in your relationship

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' right?

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and, shout out to any man listening.

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Your woman wants a place of security

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and

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is

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calm for her nervous system to, to

nest, to be to own, to have to settle.

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And so there is that component

too that we have to consider where

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I think most dudes, if we had it

our way, would just live on a.

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A,

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a mattress in the middle of nothing and

just work and watch TV from a T, you

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know, from rent all day and just travel

and throw all our money into the markets.

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there's another person

that you have to consider.

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And so there's also that component that a

lot of people don't bring up is you have

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to have that conversation with your lady

as well, which obviously I know you did

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and.

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think it's just a, a beautiful awareness.

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Like, hey, communication is

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at

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the utmost importance

in all relationships.

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alright, so speaking of communications,

two more, two more questions.

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Yeah.

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What's the biggest lie the laptop class

is currently telling themselves about

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ai?

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the

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Spencer Conley: the laptop class is

telling themselves about ai, laptop

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class being, you know, I'd say like mid

to late career professionals, is that

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Dave: Nah.

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Anybody who works on a laptop.

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Spencer Conley: Oh.

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Is telling themselves.

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I would say that Hmm.

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That's a really tough light.

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This Is lightning, so I

gotta respond quickly.

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that they don't need to understand

it They, other people can understand

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it and It won't take, take their job.

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I think speaking from a point

of ignorance about ai, and

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just saying everything's gonna be okay,

I can keep grinding away at my computer,

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especially if you're just working remotely

or you're predominantly on a computer,

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is a, is a really dangerous place to be.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Spencer Conley: And the

people skills, right?

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it, is, it's a big lie.

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It's like, oh, it's gonna be fine.

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I'm good.

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I'm, I'm gonna be shielded.

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dog,

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No, no.

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don't think most people are shielded.

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it's gonna be something that's gonna

be, I mean, it's just gonna be a

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requirement kinda like the computer,

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you know,

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you said, I don't want to ever learn the

computer, that's just not gonna be for me.

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probably how AI is gonna

be, except obviously faster.

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we all gonna need to, to understand it

and to integrate it into work with it.

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That makes, makes perfect sense.

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Spencer Conley: And I think.

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Also one of the biggest laws

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is done on a computer, right?

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there's a lot of professional networking.

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right now is, too busy right now, on

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the computer to take their head out of

the computer and actually work with real

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people on real things in the real world.

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and social skills, you, know, we're seeing

a decline in that, in, in the workforce,

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kind of across the board because of that.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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I love it.

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Well,

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thanks

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man.

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This was a fun conversation.

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It was really a great meeting.

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You, I am

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a huge raving fan of your uncle,

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and,

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me too.

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yeah, super, super happy that you

joined us on the podcast because

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again,

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our goal is to not only take this

information, but to share it, to learn, to

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crosspollinate, co-create, collaborate,

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synergize.

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All types of information

and just really create and

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determine some actual value that

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takes

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problems,

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comes

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up with solutions,

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begins implementing them faster than

people might imagine possible, because

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that's what this podcast is aimed

to do, solve America's problems.

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If you are listening to this, thank

you so much for making it to the end.

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Please go ahead and share this

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send this to 'em 'cause they have all

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the time in the world to listen to it.

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so much for listening.

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You rock.

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Dave: All right.

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What'd you learn?

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What did you learn?

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Jerremy: I learned that you

have great people in your life.

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Dave: Yes, I do.

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Jerremy: I learned that you know

the answer, Saul, you know, right.

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Buy, in the s and p.

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Don't buy a house yet.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: dude, I still, I, I

definitely learned that the college.

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is still broken,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: system is still broken.

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I heard Spencer very clearly say, yeah,

man, I just took a different route and

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kind of figured it out and did things

a little differently and now I'm not in

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debt and I invested properly and me and

my wife can buy a house and a lot of the

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problems are gonna affect 95% of this.

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The workforce don't affect me

because I had great mentors.

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You in my life.

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I had, people that I listened to

and I just did a, a few things

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differently than most people would.

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That's, that's what I heard.

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That's what I learned.

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I mean, it's, it's repetitive, fortunately

slash unfortunately, because that is

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really the problem is kinda like I

said in the podcast, and I've probably

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said it 400 times in my life every

other week for the last 10 years, the

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education system in America's Broken

College is broken, dude, and we need,

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we need desperately to restructure it.

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and to change it and to update it, and to

implement it, and to make it faster and

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more flexible and more adaptable because

we, American contract, this American dream

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was created in the Industrial Revolution,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and we are entering, I,

I actually had a podcast fun fact,

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that no one ever listened to called

the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: In 20 16, 20 17, talking

about crypto and how crypto is gonna

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change the world specifically, and

also all the things are gonna be

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coming with crypto Web3 and you know,

the fourth industrial revolution.

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So we're here and we're, we're getting

into the AI world, and guess what?

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College schools still the same.

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It's like, bro, 140 years later, right?

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No.

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And no one's working in factories anymore.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: No one's doing the

30 year career, the 30 year.

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Mortgage the 30 year, like we're doing

things differently and yet that huge

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portion of this country is unchanged.

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Like that to me is a travesty.

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This, this is what I, I heard because

we, we went all, all around like AI and,

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and Spencer's path and the rest of it.

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But I think what I, I took most from

it and what I think our, our listeners

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can hear from this is that the, the

insulation from the insulation, from,

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from, from bad stuff happening and

the lever in order to have success.

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The one thing that doesn't change.

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Is that it still is about people.

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get into crushing debt because that, that

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really limits your ability to do anything.

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all about people is this.

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You know, no matter how much AI is going

to, you know, change your world, there

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is always going to be a lot for somebody

who has that people skill, that has that

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ability to go and shake hands that has

that ability to connect that you can

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create or, or, you can create and be,

be a, you have a, so much more freedom.

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so many more opportunities

by the connections that you

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make and the connections don't

happen from behind a screen.

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They happen with old fashioned networking

and calling people and getting them on

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the phone and being truly interested

in who they are and what they do.

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whether it's ai, whether it's changing

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in your job, you know, like it's never

too late to actually learn the skill.

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being, just being truly interested

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in connecting with other people.

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like, that's going to be your future.

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As far as any kind of workforce

development goes, any kind of work, a

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workplace, any, anything, it's, it's

still always gonna be about people.

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At least I hope it will.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: it's like add value,

find a way to add value.

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: is probably a skillset set

that will never go away, meaning it's

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always gonna be needed and it's just

gonna change how we can add value.

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Right?

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45 years ago, weren't adding

value through a YouTube channel

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doing webinars, and now that's.

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all I do to add value, to

add value to the world.

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will change and will continue to change.

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of like, Hey, I wanna show up and

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figure out a way to make it better,

figure out how this opportunity

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changed places didn't go away.

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And learn how to adapt to it.

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Learn how to pivot, learn how to

create to think and grow rich.

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Dave: Boom.

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Mike a drop.

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Jerremy: Yeah,

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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