Episode 183

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Published on:

5th Mar 2026

Trigger Warning: What Did We Learn About Guns? (Full)

erremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley close out the Trigger Warning series with a full recap of what four guests taught them about guns in America. 44,000 gun deaths a year. 62% are suicides — disproportionately lonely rural veterans. The rest is mostly young men killing each other in concentrated zones. Richie and Josiah brought the moral framework. Stephen Orr mapped the three-trigger progression. Marie Newman followed the money. Parisa proved $500 million could harden every school. The throughline: this is a crisis of men, not a crisis of guns. And the system profits from leaving it unsolved.

Timestamps:

  1. (00:00) Welcome and series recap – wrapping the Trigger Warning arc on guns in America
  2. (01:12) Gun violence as a human rights issue – why this isn't really about gun rights
  3. (03:58) The data: 44,000 deaths, 62% suicides – lonely rural veterans are the hidden majority
  4. (06:25) A gun is a tool, a brick is a brick – you build a church or break a window
  5. (07:55) Richie & Josiah: moral framework – two problems conflated into one bad debate
  6. (10:24) Fatherlessness and boys in crisis – the systemic root nobody wants to name
  7. (12:32) Stephen Orr's three-trigger progression – humiliation, loss of identity, rejection
  8. (14:07) Boys and girls learn differently – Dave's all-boys school and why it worked
  9. (16:51) Marie Newman: follow the money – unsolved problems stay unsolved because it pays better
  10. (24:14) Parisa: harden the schools – $500 million covers every school in America
  11. (30:44) Curiosity and the love of the sea – information is free, motivation isn't
  12. (38:10) Where Jerremy and Dave disagree – marginal laws, red flags, and criminal compliance
  13. (42:26) Check-ins over seizures – a pro-human approach to guns and crisis
  14. (46:37) Purpose not pills – 50 zip codes, $50 million, community intervention
  15. (49:08) Wrap-up – what the series landed on and what's next

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Transcript
Dave:

Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Jerremy: We

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live,

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Dave: But on tape for this one.

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Jerremy: but on

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Dave: You'll get this later

today, boys and girls.

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Jerremy: That's right.

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That's right.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: you feeling?

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How you doing?

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Big dog.

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Dave: Man, you know, like I feel like

I barely go outta my house, most days.

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And I managed to get a cold.

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And I'm like, how?

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How?

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I've been in my bubble.

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Jerremy: I've been bubble boy.

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Dave: been bubble boy.

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It's like I don't have

any contact with humans.

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I'm feeling better.

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it was, it was quick.

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I'm at least healthy enough.

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Where, it's a couple of days of a cold.

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Not a, but you'll get my sexy voice today.

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Hey, hey baby.

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Jerremy: Yeah, same over here.

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It's th

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: 4:00 AM Pacific Time,

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Dave: Oh my God.

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Jerremy: on the, I'm on Central

time, so for the next, few

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hours, flying to Defi in la.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: to do some more

prison work with Quality Kwan,

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Dave: Amazing.

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Jerremy: Who's been an awesome participant

on our show in the past, a great

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episode, one of the most listened to

episodes that we did about prison reform.

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Dave: Yep.

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Jerremy: We have some new that we're

gonna work on, and Dave and I are gonna

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chat, create something new in the future

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: what else?

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What else are we talking about?

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But this episode is discussing what.

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Did we learn about gun violence

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Dave: Guns.

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Jerremy: guns in general?

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Dave: Guns in America, right?

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Trigger warning.

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Wow.

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this is, this was one of my favorites.

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I, I, I think I say that every time,

but this was one of my favorites.

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What was, what was your, what was your

vibe of the overall, arc of this magic?

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Jerremy: Well, there was, we started with.

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Probably a very powerful core theme, core

message that the whole gun violence issue

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doesn't really boil down to gun rights.

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It kind of boils down to human rights,

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Dave: Fair.

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Fair.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jerremy: know?

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Dave: So where did you start on this?

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I mean, we, we, we said it like first.

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One.

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I mean, I remember you saying

like it was, like you grew up

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with guns, it was about rights

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it wasn't about gun control, right?

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I mean, you, you, yeah.

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Jerremy: I mean, I, I went into this

gun ownership was, was normal, right.

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I was quite skeptical of trying to

see if there was gonna be a way where

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ultimately people would or would not.

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to give up ownership or if they

would want to ban their guns.

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Like, I, I really didn't think that the

Second Amendment was gonna be something

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that people were like, yeah, no worries.

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Like, let's, here you go.

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Here's all our guns.

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I just, I, I still do not think

that's gonna be the issue, or,

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or that's ever gonna happen.

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I don't think that that

needs to even even happened.

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I believe, and I started off with this

entire series, like there's probably

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something else, and back to the

whole school shooting thing as well.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: probably something else

that we can figure out than let's

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just take all the guns away.

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Dave: Yeah, I, uh,

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Jerremy: in America.

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I don't.

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I think that's one of the staples that's

just gonna keep this country the way it

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is, and there's no reason to go after all.

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Dave: a hundred percent.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: I'd say how that affected

me, because I, I didn't grow up.

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I didn't, I grew up in

a suburban environment.

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. I didn't, I didn't

really grow up with guns.

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I knew people who had guns,

but it was like big and scary.

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And I, thought it was all about that,

What I would say are the feel good laws.

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They make people feel

good, but they aren't good.

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those are the like ban the guns or ban the

big guns or ban the, the automatic guns.

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And it's about, gun, gun, gun.

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And I knew it was about gun

rights, but those people, people

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clinging onto their guns are crazy.

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And I mean, right off the bat, when.

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We started this and we started going

through the data, 62% of the suicides.

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This was a veteran crisis, and the

rest of it was, young boys, young

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men, taking out their frustration

on other young boys and young men.

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This was a crisis of men, and I think

you said that beautifully later on.

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Jerremy: Thanks, man.

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Yeah, I, that was the data that, I

mean, e episode one of this series was

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probably one of the most eye-opening.

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I'm trying to think of the exact

perfect word, but just such a

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crazy monumental paradigm shift.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: me, because again, general,

I wouldn't call myself the largest gun

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advocate or the gun fan in the world.

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and I'm definitely not a huge

fan of media, but I certainly.

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believe that there are some media outlets

that really try hard to get it correct

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without some type of like partisan focus.

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Like they, they want to be

a little bit more neutral

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: I have never presently, or

at least to my knowledge or awareness,

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have heard the narrative around guns.

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The way we started framing it pretty

quickly in episode one, just based

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on the data, which is like, listen.

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The people that are dying the

most in this country from guns are

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probably relatively lonely single

rural that are also veterans,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and that is of the gun deaths

in this country, that's 44,000 a year.

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62% are suicides.

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Dave: Hmm.

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Jerremy: Yeah, and that was just, it

was, it was really mind blowing and it

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started just to reframe the whole thing

for me because I'm like, wow, dang it

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this, this really continues to seem like

a lot of mental health issue, which a

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lot of the solutions for me and solutions

we heard later on in the other episodes

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really kind of stemmed from that as well.

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Just regarding who attacks or who

of, you know, violates these rules

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or who really wants to harm people?

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I mean, it is.

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People that generally have a real

huge struggle on mental health and it

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doesn't have anything to do with a gun.

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a gun is a tool.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: money, Right.

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money,

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is a tool.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: can, money's a brick.

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Whatcha you gonna do with a brick?

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Whatcha you gonna do with a brick?

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You're gonna, you're gonna break a

window or you're gonna build a church.

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: Money is a tool.

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A gun is a tool.

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A a knife is a tool.

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A fork is a tool.

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A spoon is a tool.

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How are we using these things and who,

who, whose hands have them and then whose

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brains are being negatively in affected

and impacted enough to use that tool as

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a weapon against another person that.

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Is the underlying problem.

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Josiah, in episode two at some

point I think I'm pretty sure, said

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like, listen, if everyone just had

Jesus, we wouldn't have a problem,

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: right?

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Like if that was, if that was the

base camp layer of every single person

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needs to accept or to understand

this, this love, this kindness, this.

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Non animosity towards others.

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Right?

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Love your neighbor as yourself.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: If someone, I mean, I

will never, ever, ever negatively

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hurt someone with a gun.

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So if someone has that mindset,

that belief, that understanding,

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that awareness, then the world

instantly is a much better place

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because what we do know is criminals.

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They will not comply with laws regardless

of what those laws are, even if they're

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easy and simple, it's gonna become harder

for gun owners to comply to all the laws,

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but no criminal is gonna do it anyway.

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So does it really actually matter?

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Dave: I, Richie did a couple of things.

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one was certainly talking about

the moral framework and I, uh.

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I, I really appreciate that.

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And this goes across, even if, if somebody

isn't religious or, doesn't have a,

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every, everybody has a sense of what's

right and what's wrong and being able to.

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Focus that on real issues, real

problems, real people, and take it

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out as you said, a gun is a, is a,

is a, is a tool, is a, it's a thing.

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those laws don't affect that thing.

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and that's where we focus all of

our attention There's laws on that

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thing and not helping the underlying

issue over and over and over again.

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We heard that this is, this is

money and priorities going into

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the wrong place, and I think.

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Certainly with, with Congress

Congresswoman Newman.

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I, I think it's, it's kind of

dark to also think about that you

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keep this intentionally broken.

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and our political elite get

to keep raising money on it,

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but doing nothing about it.

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like that's dark.

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but Richie also did something else for

us, which was really frame up this,

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this, this two discussion problem.

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one of it is.

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all of the, all of the gun violence and,

well, most of the gun violence being in

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very specific places, and has those, none

of those laws actually touch that yet.

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The laws that you do have affect,

gun owners who are already complying.

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So it just frustrates them.

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It's like, ah, they

see it from the inside.

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So I, I love that about, Richie.

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Was like, look, the, the moral

framework around this is,

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is, is a huge piece of this.

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And morally also looking about

where you're solving this.

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If you think you can solve it

systemically, by focusing on

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gun laws, that's, that's broken.

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We've tried that for, for decades and

decades and decades, and it hasn't worked.

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These numbers keep going up, not down.

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Stop doing stupid stuff.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Loved the po, loved the

episode with Richie and Josiah.

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it was really good.

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And Josiah, being such a strong advocate

and having so many what I felt like

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were just extremely compelling arguments

from the side of a, of a gun owner.

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someone who.

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Trains and teaches and equips, militia,

just someone who is un understanding

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and aware of the entire process.

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That's extremely important and both

of us, all four of us really are,

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are that episode's progressing,

really understanding how important

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fatherlessness is, using a very.

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A big awareness of that.

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That is a systemic issue

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: that's going to be bigger than

gun regulation because again, you do

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have a dad, father, and that dad and

father is teaching you, showing you how

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to use or be around guns or to hunt or

to spend time with your grandfather.

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What's gonna happen, you're gonna

become, well, number one, more

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comfortable around gun ownership.

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But number two, you also will

feel a lot less stress about what.

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You are thinking, feeling, doing,

noticing, because you can at

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least have some strong boundaries

around, I should I be doing this?

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Should I not be doing this?

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Because my, my dad's gonna come and get

me I am, if I act out too much outta line.

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And that's just good discipline,

good parenting, essentially.

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And, yeah, I mean, I, I

just always, anytime we talk

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about mental health, around.

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Young boys, young men.

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That's gonna be always a core component,

which seems extremely obvious.

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And I don't know if that's gonna be the

next topic for discussion or not yet.

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That's something that you and I will

keep talking about, but how to solve

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that inner city urban violence,

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Dave: Yep.

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Jerremy: right?

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In relation to this.

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A gun issue that is taking the

lives of people that are mentally

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unstable or mentally depressed that

live out in the middle of isolation.

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Like those are two totally different,

as you mentioned just a moment ago.

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Two totally different ways to approach

and to correspond with what type

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of registration or gun ownership

or connections should people have.

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Dave: Our key quotes out of this really

sum up this arc, which is my mine was

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nobody shoots up a school, nobody pulls

out a gun because they had a good day.

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Dave: you said the brokenness

of any country is in direct

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proportion to the brokenness of men.

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And I know that that, Stephen's Stephen

Orr's episode really did the most for

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me to really put this into perspective.

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His, his three trigger progression

of saying, Hey, like this is

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young boys, young men, these

are young veterans, all men.

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That are killing themselves

and killing each other.

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This is his three trigger

progression was humiliation.

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Loss of identity rejection, and

it puts you in the place where

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there's nothing left to lose.

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And this is a crisis that we

spend no time even talking about.

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We talk about the crisis and, and young

women and how social media affects them,

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and we, we talk about, the crisis of.

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every, every group that you can imagine,

and it seems to tragically come at the

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cost of young boys and young men, they

seem to be told that they're wrong or

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they're bad, or sit still and be quiet.

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And, there's a, there's an inherent

sexism that we won't even address.

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We'll, we'll be called

misogynists for even just saying,

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young boys are in trouble.

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Dave: That's making me a little nuts.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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I mean, I, I do think, and

I vastly believe in there be

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and should be some type of.

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A pretty basic distinction between how

young boys are educated in schools and

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how young girls are educated in schools

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: kinda like what they're

taught and how they're taught it.

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I think that generally, the vast

majority population would believe that

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boys and girls are pretty different.

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Dave: I can vouch for that.

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Yep.

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Jerremy: therefore, they're gonna learn

a little differently, most likely.

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And there's, there's other

things they need to be taught

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and there's other ways that they.

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create and express their emotions,

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Dave: I did.

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I didn't, I'm sorry.

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I don't mean to be interrupting you.

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I, I, the coffee's hitting hard.

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Jerremy: no, you're good, man.

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Yeah, you're good.

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Dave: I don't think I mentioned this.

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It was, I went to an all boys

Catholic high school, and

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Jerremy: not,

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Dave: yeah, I'm not even Catholic.

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Right.

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I just, know, one of my,

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Jerremy: I just want to hang out.

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Dave: well, one of my buddies,

my, my best friend brother from

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another mother was going there.

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He was super smart.

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it was a really good school.

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'cause if anything, the

Catholics can teach.

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And he was like, Hey,

why don't you come here?

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And I didn't know any better.

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Right.

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And my, my parents weren't really,

weren't really guiding anything.

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And I, and I lucked out

and it was all boys.

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And I can, I can tell you now, it was, it

was kind of miserable not being around.

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Girls.

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But on the other hand, we're animals.

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Like I, I, I think you have to raise

a boy or be a, a boy at some point in

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your, your, your, time to say, look,

we're we're crazy little animals.

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And, not having, girls to be, distraction

and being able to learn our own way

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and being, able to, to sort of do that.

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I think was tremendously beneficial.

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Like we could, I, I know we could

really focus, we could really, while

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during a time when our hormones were

just a popin, it, it worked out and we

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could be disciplined in different ways.

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We could be taught in different ways and.

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inside that school there was

all the different flavors that

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everybody would talk about today.

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like there were certainly,

young, young gay men.

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There were certainly, super

smart sort of nerdy men.

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sort of like, the, the crazy in celly

sort of type, the, the goss, all

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the different, the goss, the jocks,

the, everybody was in that mix.

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And we just, we, we did it.

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We got along.

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It was, it was one big happy family.

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In a way, but we were also crazy.

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so I, I'm, like boys are different and

we need to approach this differently.

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Just like, guns are different.

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We need to approach this differently.

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We're solving the wrong issues,

and it's about priority.

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Jerremy: Yep.

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Yep.

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That's it.

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Dave: And Marie Marie

said that one, right?

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Jerremy: Marie's so cool.

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: cool, dude.

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I, I I liked her a lot.

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I liked her a lot.

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I've read a couple of her articles.

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nice.

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She's really cool.

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yeah, I mean, she's, when she's

talking about the gun debate,

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Dave: Money, money, money.

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Jerremy: a, as a prior congresswoman,

she said exactly what the

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populace likely believes, right?

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The gun debate cannot be

separated from campaign finance.

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Dave: No.

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Jerremy: She said, if you have a, if

you have a problem that isn't being

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solved, it's because of money, like mic

drop, like that, that was, listen, we

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got all these things that could, that

could work out tomorrow, but it, it's not

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being solved some, somewhere a group of

people is getting really rich off of it

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Dave: God

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Jerremy: that's why

it's not getting solved.

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'cause it pays better to not solve it.

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Dave: dark.

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Jerremy: Yeah, A little dark dude.

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Dave: Dark.

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Jerremy: A little dark.

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I think at some point also she

mentioned, what was that number?

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A 3% of NRA members training, storage

requirements and mental health checks.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and the opposite.

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So the opposition, isn't gun owners.

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It's the money behind the

organization and how, how well

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funded they are, the whole situation.

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So.

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It was, it was very unique there

because again, back to, okay, if

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you make certain gun laws stronger,

tougher, harder, more challenging, I,

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I can certainly, certainly still kind

of get behind the fact that there's.

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Going to be a lot of gun owners that

like, what if kinda like A-A-C-D-L

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versus a regular driver's license.

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Like if I have to use a bigger, more

powerful assault weapon, I probably

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should have better training for it,

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: or more training for

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: I think that

that's perfectly adequate

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Dave: Mm-hmm.

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Jerremy: big gun advocate.

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I think that that makes

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sense and.

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You can have a certain amount of guns

for obviously hunting, for, for personal

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use, for protection, for whatever,

like, the open carry, all the things.

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I'm still pretty much on board with that.

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because again, I don't think that

that's the, that's the issue.

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I don't think that's the issue

that's gonna be hurting people.

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I think that's the issue that's

impacting people and the changes

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that are definitely not being made.

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Right.

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all, it's politically corrupt.

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They're just politically corrupt, Dave.

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Like if nothing's happening, if

nothing's really moving across the

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lines because somebody is getting paid

too much money for it not to work out.

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Dave: Hmm.

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I mean, it goes back, it goes back to

our series on voting and voting reform.

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Right?

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this, this one feels big and I, it's

worth coming back to it, but I know we're.

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we're increasingly in a situation

where the everyday folks, the s and

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the mes, now we, we are doing more

than most, we're doing this podcast,

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you're running for, for office.

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like we, we want to change this,

so we are putting our time, money,

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effort, we're putting our time

and treasure into this, right?

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Most people aren't, and most

people I think are, are feeling.

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Increasingly disenfranchised, like

literally disenfranchised, increasingly

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helpless, increasingly saying, look,

my vote and what I say doesn't matter.

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And the more that that happens, the

more it leads to things that are

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uncontrollable and, and it leads to,

to things that are, are not good.

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I mean, there, there's

nothing good down that road.

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it's.

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Money here is a structural

blocker and there are, she

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said a couple of things, right?

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The Anti-Corruption Act and the stock

ban Act like none of these jokers need

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to be getting stock or, insider trading.

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President Trump even mentioned it during

a state of the Union like this is.

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This is basic common sense, and there

there's at least some support on it.

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But are we gonna get to it?

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We have to push it and

we have to push it hard.

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we have to stand up and say,

look, stop some of the corruption.

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If anything, the Epstein

file showed us that.

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Just please, please do

a little bit of this.

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Do a little bit of your.

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And, and at least, put a

little bit of lipstick on this.

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And I think it'll go a long way to

establishing even the little bit, the most

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little bit of trust back in government.

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'cause we're, we're out like there.

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That, that, that bucket is empty.

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Oh, and I love, I love what

you say about the training.

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I'm with you on that because

I think responsible gun owners

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could get excited about that.

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It's like, Hey, learn about the laws.

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Learn about how to really

use your, your, your weapon.

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Learn about how, being a responsible

gun owner and what that means.

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Learn about like what's changed and

what you need to to be concerned

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about and make it kind of fun.

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like if we can make training fun and,

and somewhat mandatory to say, Hey, you

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need to be, you need to be up to speed

on this particular gun because it's

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different than the other ones you got.

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I think, Hey, I'm all for that.

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Let's, let's do more of that.

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Alexa, turn off thermostat.

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I set the home to off, right?

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Jerremy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Totally.

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Totally, totally, totally.

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I mean, I am all for that.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and, and again, I, I

think the probably unfortunate

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news realistically is.

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There's really probably zero chance that

I could become extremely vocal as I run

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on, all right, when I become president,

I'm taking away all of your opportunities

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to, to invest in individual stocks.

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No one's gonna wanna party with

me, no one's gonna wanna join

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sides because again, there is

unfortunately way, way, way too much

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corruption on the inside right now.

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I mean, there are people

that can actually, literally.

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Create laws that will benefit individual

companies, that they can then invest

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into those individual companies

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Dave: Or, Hey look,

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Jerremy: gobs of money,

bro, like that is the most

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Dave: but.

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Jerremy: trading thing of all time

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Dave: Fix it with technology, then make it

not insider trading, because every trade

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that goes in for a, for a representative,

for somebody who's in the government for,

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for their staff and their family, that.

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Trade can be posted publicly immediately.

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like when you hit the button, that

trade can go out and say, Hey, this

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congressman made this trade right now.

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Like, you don't know why.

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You don't necessarily know, like,

don't wait 60 days or 90 days, or

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whatever it is for them to do the

disclosure and then they'll forget

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and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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There's no, like, I don't care.

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Make it completely transparent so you

know everybody and what they're doing.

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It's like, look, if you want to insider

trade, great, but you're no longer

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insider trading if everything's public.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Dave: That's what I got.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Public immediately.

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I mean, I, that's,

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Dave: Right.

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Jerremy: wow, Dave,

that's a great suggestion.

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Dave: You're not taking

away their ability to do it.

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You're saying, look, it's not gonna

be insider trading anymore because

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everybody's gonna know about it.

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It's like, why did, why did

this Congress Congress person?

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Well, they just got out of a meeting.

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They learned something.

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It's like soon as they hit the

button, boom, it hits the ledge.

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That's what I got.

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Jerremy: I like it.

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I like it.

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Big Dave, it sounds, sounds

like that would be probably

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pretty easy to build too.

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I mean, of course it would be

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Dave: Right.

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Cake,

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Jerremy: Super, super easy,

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Dave: every, every dollar.

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Not yet.

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Jerremy: If something is not

being solved in the political

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environment, it's because of money.

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Dang it.

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Marie Newman's so cool.

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She is dope.

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Dave: just spend a little bit of money on,

just put some damn locks on these doors.

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Jerremy: little bit of money.

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Dave: It is nothing.

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Jerremy: let's make the doors stronger.

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Let's make sure that they

have locks on everything.

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Let's just make sure that some of the

windows, because this goes back to

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the whole like, Hey, we want to, we

want to keep, keep schools beautiful,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: them to be prestigious

and, and gorgeous, and a place

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of love and light and learning.

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We don't want to make them prisons.

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:

That being stated, are easily those

tiny little changes that won't

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really dramatically impact the

way how, the way a school looks.

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Right?

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So like, if all schools have

bulletproof glass, let's just

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:

say that as, as a starting point.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: is gonna be,

glass is gonna be glass.

541

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So we won't need to know the

difference between is it not or is it?

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:

So if it all just is,

it'll still look the same.

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: Stronger doors.

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Well, we all need doors.

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We.

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Open, close, keep sound in and out.

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Okay.

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We can make those four to five, we

can make those stronger and then just

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locks on all, make sure that there's

a maintenance, a safety regulation, an

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agency or an authority that checks every

school once a year and they go through

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just like if you have, if you buy a house

or sell a house, you have some inspection

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and appraisal and the whole process

that you gotta make sure that everything

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is looking good, feeling good, moving.

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Good well.

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Can we do that in for schools?

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Sure.

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We should Or at least be able to, believe.

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yeah.

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Why not, right?

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Why not?

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that seems perfectly reasonable.

563

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And yeah, low hanging fruit.

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She kept saying that over and over.

565

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It is just going to have this

like, Hey, here's what it is.

566

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It's not huge.

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Massive changes.

568

:

Now again, will that

solve attacks on schools?

569

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Meaning like will the attacks on

schools go down because people

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know that they're more protected?

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Probably not.

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Probably not.

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However, that's very much like saying,

will we have less tornadoes if our homes

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are more fortified against tornadoes?

575

:

Again, probably not, but that

makes the, the home safer

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:

Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: there is a tornado outbreak.

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:

Dave: Yeah.

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:

Jerremy: Even though it might not

solve the actual issue, it will, it

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will just prevent loss will increase

the likelihood that there are, less

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casualties in that tornado example.

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Well, in my theory, my thought,

my perspective as of right now,

583

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not just go ahead and make those

fortifications, especially if

584

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you're spending so little money.

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That probably could be raised or

donated or, I mean, that wouldn't also

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be that hard, and that's exactly what

she's working on, which is remarkable.

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I mean, I think in that, in that exact

day and situation, we raised, tens

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of thousands of dollars that we're

able to fortify like seven or eight

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local schools, which was so amazing.

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Dave: You did a few just yourself, right?

591

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Like it, it takes one person

to help just a few schools.

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Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

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Dave: That was the round.

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:

What was the rounding error?

595

:

Was it $500 million?

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Jerremy: Yeah, 500 million

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:

Dave: Every, every school can be safe.

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like, great.

599

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I now, I wish we didn't have to have

safe schools like that, but even

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my school a million years ago, I

had doors on, locks on the doors.

601

:

that's just like basic stuff.

602

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we did the education series like way back

when and teachers are, are struggling

603

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to, to put pens in their schools.

604

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And I'm like, ah.

605

:

Why do I keep on having to ask,

where does all the money go?

606

:

Like, ah,

607

:

Jerremy: You've asked

it too many times too.

608

:

You've had to ask it too many times, bro.

609

:

Essentially, every episode, Dave's like,

yo, dog, I, where's the money going?

610

:

Dave: it's unfathomable.

611

:

I.

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:

Jerremy: What are we doing

613

:

Dave: I was actually looking at Miami-Dade

schools and like they're failing.

614

:

there's, there's only a couple of schools

that even have moderately proficient

615

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mathematics and reading scores, most.

616

:

Students in Miami-Dade don't even read

to the level that they are supposed

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to, and the schools are mostly empty.

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like they're running like 30% occupancy.

619

:

I'm like, oh God.

620

:

And there, there isn't the political will

to do the right thing because as soon

621

:

as you say, Hey, I'm closing this school

in this neighborhood and I'm busing kids

622

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to this other one, the parents go crazy

and it's, it's forest for the trees.

623

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It's like, this is a failing school.

624

:

They would rather send.

625

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Their kids to a failing school.

626

:

Blame the teachers.

627

:

Blame the, the politicians and blame,

the, the school, infrastructure and

628

:

blame all that, but they're not willing

to do what it really takes, which is.

629

:

make sure that the, the highest skilled

teachers are paying attention to the kids.

630

:

The kids are getting what they need,

and we're holding the kids accountable.

631

:

It's like, we don't just keep

passing the kid, so that they're,

632

:

they're graduating at 18 and they

can't read, like, that's bonkers.

633

:

So this is what Miami Dad's

doing, and I think it's a,

634

:

it's a tragedy, it's a failure.

635

:

It's like they're spending all

this money, but results matter.

636

:

Results matter.

637

:

every single kid needs to be graduating,

that graduates needs to be able to

638

:

read and write and, and be able to do

a, arithmetic and, be solid, citizens.

639

:

And like instead we're, we're, we're

pumping out, crazy illiterate, misses

640

:

that we're just gonna have to deal with.

641

:

When, when, you think it gets

easier when they get in their

642

:

twenties and thirties, it doesn't.

643

:

Jerremy: Isn't that

644

:

Dave: Rant.

645

:

Rant.

646

:

Done.

647

:

Jerremy: No, it is wild, dude.

648

:

It's wild.

649

:

Wild that we're having

that conversation in

650

:

Dave: We're right.

651

:

Jerremy: of the most.

652

:

popular cities in the world,

653

:

Dave: Mm-hmm.

654

:

Jerremy: Miami, Florida.

655

:

Dude, how is this possible?

656

:

How are we failing this bad as a country?

657

:

I mean, it's education people,

658

:

Dave: Yeah.

659

:

Jerremy: it's the kids, it's the future.

660

:

And it's not just Miami-Dade as you know.

661

:

Dave: Yeah.

662

:

Jerremy: I

663

:

Dave: Oh no, it's everywhere.

664

:

Right?

665

:

Jerremy: it's everywhere.

666

:

It's all the major cities.

667

:

Dave: Let me ask you about that though.

668

:

Right.

669

:

21st century, I think, right?

670

:

We have unlimited information

in the palm of our hands.

671

:

I mean, just YouTube alone.

672

:

I mean, people don't have to go to

school, they don't have to go to college.

673

:

they, you can learn everything

and learn it from the best people

674

:

on the planet on YouTube, right?

675

:

And you can get free Harvard classes.

676

:

You, you can do it.

677

:

And so, like part of this

for me is that it's not.

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:

It's not the education

because it's all out there.

679

:

There's something else.

680

:

It's like, is there a,

is there a motivation?

681

:

Is there a structure?

682

:

Is there an accountability?

683

:

Is there a, there's a something, something

there that I don't, I don't know.

684

:

Like yes, it's education, but

it's the something of education.

685

:

What, what could that be?

686

:

Because it's not the information.

687

:

It is the education, but

it's not the information.

688

:

That's what I got.

689

:

Jerremy: No.

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:

Yes.

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:

No, it's not, it's not the information.

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:

I don't think the information ultimately

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:

matters slightly, but if we had a

school that just, all they did was

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:

teach kids how to read incredibly well,

695

:

Dave: Yeah.

696

:

Jerremy: like, let, let's just

take math away for like 25 seconds.

697

:

And you taught kids just how to

be incredibly proficient readers,

698

:

Dave: Mm.

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:

Jerremy: and all they did was read

self-help books and nonfiction

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:

books and fiction books about

love and pursuit, happiness.

701

:

You're reading the books that

have changed my life as an adult.

702

:

Dave: Yeah.

703

:

Jerremy: life as an adult

704

:

Dave: Yeah.

705

:

Jerremy: and have given me amazing

shifts and have taught me how to create

706

:

wealth and how to create emotional

stability and balance internally

707

:

and all these beautiful things.

708

:

And, and if they have to read those,

they will understand how important is.

709

:

They'll understand how important emotional

regularity, and, and stability is.

710

:

They will understand and learn and,

and feel, and know and see what.

711

:

Powerful communication

is between two people.

712

:

I mean, if you only just read incredibly

insightful books as a product and

713

:

a program and a school, you would

have a revolutionary change and.

714

:

Then you could know.

715

:

All right, well hey, I'm now 16 and all

I really know how to do is read and I

716

:

don't know anything about math, but I'm

gonna be able to figure it out I've been

717

:

inundated with incredible, remarkable

information from people that have

718

:

actually changed this world and changed

this country for the better, have made

719

:

remarkable impacts on the minds of others.

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:

They will be, and they will

feel so much more equipped.

721

:

That's my, that's my thought on that.

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:

I mean, but I, but

723

:

Dave: There's a.

724

:

Jerremy: saying like that's, that,

that's an example, Dave, of like Sure.

725

:

Like if, if it's taught, there, if you

pick any specific subject and you have

726

:

incredible teachers that can show you

the why behind while we're learning this.

727

:

And it can show you the importance

when I was in geometry and

728

:

essentially failing miserably.

729

:

'cause I'm like, what am I doing?

730

:

I know I'm not going to ever use this.

731

:

I don't want to, whatever field

I go into, I won't be calculating

732

:

geometric patterns and trying, like

733

:

Dave: Yeah.

734

:

Jerremy: if you're building a house or

if you're an architect, it matters a lot.

735

:

It matters a lot.

736

:

Dave: Yeah.

737

:

Jerremy: I knew I didn't

wanna be an architect.

738

:

I

739

:

Dave: Yeah.

740

:

Jerremy: dude in high school.

741

:

I was like, I don't wanna be an architect.

742

:

I can, first of all, I can't draw right.

743

:

First, first and foremost.

744

:

I, I knew, I knew that very early on.

745

:

Dave: I've seen you draw on stock charts.

746

:

Jerremy: Yeah, I can.

747

:

Yeah, exactly.

748

:

I'm not, I'm not drawing

geometrical shapes, guys.

749

:

I draw like horizontal and

vertical lines all day.

750

:

That's all I do.

751

:

So, man, like again, I was

like, why am I learning this?

752

:

Why am I here?

753

:

And that no one could explain it.

754

:

Dave: Hmm.

755

:

Jerremy: No one, the teachers,

the principals, the counselors.

756

:

Like you just have to kind of do it.

757

:

Dave: Builds character.

758

:

Jerremy: Like, no, it

doesn't, it wastes my time.

759

:

Dave: I'm gonna say a little bit from

column A and a little bit from column B.

760

:

B, because you do have to be like, I

didn't know, I didn't like Brussels

761

:

sprouts until somebody had me try it.

762

:

Right?

763

:

And and to this day, I

don't like brussel sprouts,

764

:

Jerremy: Yeah,

765

:

bro,

766

:

Dave: But I.

767

:

Jerremy: Brussels sprouts.

768

:

Dave: But I had to try it.

769

:

Right.

770

:

it's like, so there's a little

bit of like, like the magic of

771

:

teaching is like exposing people.

772

:

There's a, there's a phrase, not a phrase.

773

:

There's a quick story that I, I

will, I will certainly butcher,

774

:

but it kind of goes like this.

775

:

If you need to build a fleet of ship.

776

:

You can gather the men, you can take

them to the, the trees and have them

777

:

chop down the trees, and then you can

have them, built, get all the planks,

778

:

and then you can, you can, you can sew

all the sails and you can, you can get

779

:

all these men to put all this stuff

together and, and create a ship, and

780

:

then you'll have a fleet of ships.

781

:

If you just keep on telling the men,

do this, do this, do this, do this, and

782

:

we're gonna have a fleet of ships, or.

783

:

Or you can teach the men about

the love of the sea and you

784

:

will get your fleet of ships.

785

:

And so that's that love

of the sea that I want.

786

:

I wanna teach more curiosity.

787

:

I wanna get people excited.

788

:

And to your point, if you get excited

about one specific field, you're gonna

789

:

learn all the other pieces, right?

790

:

Like if you get super excited and you

read this thing, it's like, well, of

791

:

course there's math involved in that.

792

:

Of course there's

research involved in that.

793

:

Of course, there's all these.

794

:

Aspects of learning that are there.

795

:

But I want, I wanna teach more

curiosity, but I also wanna expose

796

:

kids to a lot of different things.

797

:

Like they, they should know more

than, what's going on in TikTok.

798

:

Jerremy: Oh yeah, totally, dude.

799

:

A hundred percent.

800

:

Dave: Alright, so what?

801

:

Jerremy: Yeah.

802

:

Like that quote, by the

way, they got me all fired.

803

:

I am just such a quote guy.

804

:

But, but, but yes, yes and

805

:

Dave: Yeah.

806

:

Yeah.

807

:

Jerremy: we think it'd be possible

to expose people to geometry and

808

:

calculus and they have a month

in, Hey, do you guys like this?

809

:

Is this, is this exciting?

810

:

Dave: This isn't for you.

811

:

Jerremy: Do, do you love,

do you love doing this?

812

:

Dave: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

813

:

Jerremy: Like, okay, theater,

814

:

Dave: Right.

815

:

Jerremy: or drama.

816

:

Dave: Yeah.

817

:

Jerremy: I went in there

like, this is gonna be dumb.

818

:

I don't wanna do drama.

819

:

And like a week and a half in,

I was like, yeah, I like this.

820

:

This is cool.

821

:

Dave: Yeah.

822

:

Yeah.

823

:

Jerremy: I really like, I enjoyed it.

824

:

So I stayed in it.

825

:

And guess what?

826

:

Got an A hi.

827

:

Liked it, had fun, studied it.

828

:

Memorized Shakespeare really

829

:

Dave: Mm.

830

:

Jerremy: All right, so now I, just think e

even these easy, easy, easy, easy shifts.

831

:

I mean, it just seems so, so simple and

I'm over here like, how come no school's

832

:

doing things, things on in a big way?

833

:

Like it's, it's kind

of mind blowing, Dave.

834

:

It still is.

835

:

Every time we get to anything, it's

like, yep, education's still the problem.

836

:

and we're feeling it that, and

we're feeling it to, and actually.

837

:

nationwide scale.

838

:

I have not spoken to one parent

ever that's like, man, the

839

:

education system is kicking ass and

840

:

Dave: Yeah,

841

:

Jerremy: it and it's amazing.

842

:

Dave: yeah.

843

:

Mm

844

:

Jerremy: Yep.

845

:

That's

846

:

Dave: mm mm Or what did we

not answer on this series?

847

:

I think, I think we might disagree

a little bit on, I, I, I still

848

:

think that there's a little bit of

marginal stuff that we can, we can.

849

:

Keep saying that some of the feel good

laws that we know actually do work.

850

:

like there's, there's, red flag laws.

851

:

There might be, some, like the,

the 10 round limits, on, on

852

:

things I'm on, on the magazines.

853

:

I, I don't necessarily want to throw

those out, but I'm very conscious.

854

:

That those don't really affect

the people who are using the

855

:

most, so they're not my priority.

856

:

My priority is certainly where

we do agree, which is young men.

857

:

veterans suicide because they're

not getting anything right now.

858

:

so that's, that's where we need to do it.

859

:

But it's not like there aren't

laws that aren't, that are common

860

:

sense that communities need to

be able to judge for themselves.

861

:

I don't, I don't necessarily believe

in like a blanket thing that the

862

:

federal government does because every

community's a little bit different.

863

:

I think that some, some, urban,

communities or even suburban

864

:

communities are gonna have

slightly different laws then.

865

:

than like a rural community.

866

:

But on the other hand, it's confusing.

867

:

Like I, I'm, I'm still a

little bit in that world,

868

:

Jerremy: Yeah.

869

:

Yeah, I feel you.

870

:

Dave: not by much.

871

:

Jerremy: well, I mean, the one thing

that, I mean, we're not gonna be able

872

:

to of course, solve this or resolve it,

but, bad people will get access to guns

873

:

regardless of what laws are passed.

874

:

Dave: Yeah.

875

:

Jerremy: I mean, that's,

that's what's gonna happen.

876

:

So the criminal compliance is still going

to be a challenge of some magnitude.

877

:

yeah.

878

:

So I just don't know if that's,

if that's gonna be the, the real.

879

:

People that wanna do harm to someone

else will always find ways to do harm.

880

:

And, and then that's, that's the

question that you gotta kind of ask.

881

:

And, and when, when people say

that America has too many attacks,

882

:

like, why are we even, like,

why do we even have to Right.

883

:

Like that, the underlying core themes.

884

:

Like why do we have to, and

again, it's all gonna come back

885

:

to some version, some level of.

886

:

Care, kindness, compassion, and

love from the entire organization,

887

:

from the entire system.

888

:

And if we're over here with someone

who a career and spent tons of time in

889

:

politics, that's like, Hey man, the system

is corrupt, monetarily, those are gonna

890

:

be some ways that we have to actually

really see it, know it, understand it.

891

:

And we talked about it like kinda

like the current events as well.

892

:

We, we, we debriefed and

mention that a lot where.

893

:

Dude, what are we doing as a nation?

894

:

Dave: Mm-hmm.

895

:

Jerremy: What are we doing when we're just

allowing this to just take place and no

896

:

one is having the righteous arm of the

law really persecute the people need it.

897

:

Dave: Yeah.

898

:

Jerremy: When you have strong

evidence at this point of

899

:

like, this is, and, and it's.

900

:

And you said it like nine

times, they already knew it.

901

:

These files are coming out to the public

902

:

Dave: Ugh.

903

:

Jerremy: now.

904

:

Dave: Yeah.

905

:

Jerremy: the files from?

906

:

Dave: Yeah.

907

:

Jerremy: They already knew this dude

years ago, and no one is writing about it.

908

:

What?

909

:

What are we doing, man?

910

:

It's just like this.

911

:

It's, it's, it's so stressful to me

sometimes, if you really just let yourself

912

:

marinate on it, because ultimately that

is the problem, like bad people will

913

:

do bad things unless you can find a

way to have their heart changed and.

914

:

Those are always gonna be fun discussions

on like, how, how do you do that?

915

:

And so that's something

that we haven't resolved at.

916

:

I mean, from a disagreement standpoint,

the good news is, yeah, man, I don't

917

:

think you and I at any point on the,

on this exact topic, like, you're

918

:

a hundred percent wrong on this

and I'm a hundred percent right.

919

:

Dave: No.

920

:

Jerremy: you and I don't have any of that.

921

:

And it really very rarely do we ever, but

ultimately, ultimately, I, I, I certainly

922

:

can come to this agreement with you where.

923

:

the red flag.

924

:

What is that?

925

:

How is it, how do we characterize it?

926

:

Right?

927

:

I mean, Steven was, was a pretty

big proponent of that, whereas like,

928

:

there has to be, and there could be,

and there should easily be something,

929

:

right, where we just have this mental

check, this mental awareness, this

930

:

mental fortitude, this, if you fit

all the markers of someone should you

931

:

or should you not be profiled, right?

932

:

Should or should you not have.

933

:

Doctor visits, should you or

should you not have someone

934

:

check in on you ever so often?

935

:

make sure you have some phone calls.

936

:

Like, Hey, if you are a single white male

out in the middle of Oklahoma that you're,

937

:

two hours away from anybody and you have

a previous substance addiction, and you

938

:

purchase a gun with a bunch of ammunition.

939

:

Should we check in on you ever down then?

940

:

Dave: I, I think there's

a kindness thing in there.

941

:

like we, we, we did our homeless

thing, which is like, look,

942

:

it's, it's barbaric to have any,

anyone sleeping on the street.

943

:

Like it's barbaric and there's

like a human kindness, there's

944

:

a real pro human aspect to this.

945

:

Be like, Hey buddy.

946

:

like you're, you're having some

issues, and like we're, we're

947

:

gonna make sure that we have a

little bit of a bubble around you.

948

:

We're gonna, we're gonna

not seize these guns.

949

:

We're just gonna, we're gonna park

'em with like a CDL or down at the, at

950

:

the, the sheriff's office for a bit.

951

:

Give you the help that you need.

952

:

hopefully you want to get it,

whether it's, substance abuse,

953

:

mental health, crisis counseling,

marriage counseling, whatever it is.

954

:

And then of course we're

gonna, we're gonna, ensure that

955

:

you get, get your guns back.

956

:

But just like right now.

957

:

Hey, things are, things are,

things are a little tough, right?

958

:

I, I know when I lost my wife, like I had

the, the, the wherewithal to ask my family

959

:

to remove all the alcohol from my house

'cause I was gonna drink myself to death.

960

:

So it's a little bit of

like a, a pro human stance.

961

:

Like, look, we're not seizing

your guns, we're not saying that

962

:

there's not due process here.

963

:

We're saying, Hey, hey, we're just

gonna put these over here for a

964

:

little bit and you'll get 'em back.

965

:

Don't worry, it's not gonna be a big deal.

966

:

like, that seems very loving and kind.

967

:

there's a loving kindness to that,

that I think a community could do.

968

:

Like, you could even, you could park

this with the equivalent of like

969

:

a, like a, like a, like a church,

Like an NRA church, being like,

970

:

Hey, we're, we're here for you.

971

:

Jerremy: Yeah.

972

:

Yep.

973

:

I agree.

974

:

And there were some, some solutions

that we just got all kind of

975

:

like, yeah, this would work.

976

:

And I think that mental

health as a required class.

977

:

Dave: Yeah.

978

:

Right.

979

:

Jerremy: Again, man, just

back to whole education.

980

:

I think that the, the community,

the conversation, the communication,

981

:

that would be a big one.

982

:

you, you mentioned that, before the series

even started, you didn't know that we

983

:

had a suicide prevention lifeline, right.

984

:

Dave: Yeah.

985

:

Right.

986

:

9, 8, 8.

987

:

Jerremy: I.

988

:

Dave: So for everybody who's listening

to this, it's like if there's

989

:

somebody in your life that's, that's

struggling, if you're struggling,

990

:

all you have to do is dial 9, 8, 8.

991

:

I didn't even know that was there.

992

:

Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

993

:

Well, it's, and it's not as,

it's not as prevalent as 9 1 1.

994

:

one, no one ever talks about it.

995

:

Like everyone knows 9 1

1, it's taught in schools

996

:

Dave: Yep.

997

:

Jerremy: education.

998

:

Hello?

999

:

it's taught everywhere.

:

00:45:31,313 --> 00:45:32,423

yeah, I mean, that's.

:

00:45:33,173 --> 00:45:34,253

Why not?

:

00:45:34,643 --> 00:45:34,943

Right?

:

00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:35,573

Or why not?

:

00:45:35,573 --> 00:45:38,093

Why not have a, a, a campaign for that?

:

00:45:38,093 --> 00:45:42,203

Just so that people become a lot more

aware that it exists and then, yeah,

:

00:45:42,203 --> 00:45:45,413

man, like veterans exiting from service.

:

00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:49,883

I mean, that is an entire, very

long, very easy episode of like,

:

00:45:49,883 --> 00:45:52,833

we are failing in that you huge.

:

00:45:53,223 --> 00:45:56,643

So mandatory mental health

processing for veterans as they exit.

:

00:45:57,643 --> 00:46:02,473

And also off probably relatively

frequently, all different types

:

00:46:02,473 --> 00:46:05,323

of healing modalities, right?

:

00:46:05,353 --> 00:46:06,733

Somatic stuff,

:

00:46:07,561 --> 00:46:07,811

Dave: Right.

:

00:46:08,503 --> 00:46:09,223

Jerremy: stuff.

:

00:46:09,281 --> 00:46:09,581

Dave: Yeah.

:

00:46:09,583 --> 00:46:13,913

Jerremy: Just not let, let,

let's prescribe purpose not

:

00:46:13,913 --> 00:46:16,553

pills, Let's help people

:

00:46:16,676 --> 00:46:16,776

Dave: it.

:

00:46:17,483 --> 00:46:22,013

Jerremy: How and why and where, and

what they can actually do and how they

:

00:46:22,013 --> 00:46:23,608

can continue to serve their country.

:

00:46:24,548 --> 00:46:29,018

With their particular set of skills

that they can really become, and

:

00:46:29,018 --> 00:46:32,058

they can feel like, like they matter.

:

00:46:32,448 --> 00:46:33,858

Because that's what that,

that's what happens.

:

00:46:33,858 --> 00:46:36,648

You take purpose away

and you start drowning.

:

00:46:37,486 --> 00:46:38,776

Dave: Purpose, not pills.

:

00:46:38,776 --> 00:46:40,966

That is the, that's the

t-shirt right there.

:

00:46:40,996 --> 00:46:42,916

That's the quote, purpose, not pills.

:

00:46:43,916 --> 00:46:46,106

and then there was the

community violence intervention.

:

00:46:46,106 --> 00:46:48,416

This is, this is getting

the communities involved.

:

00:46:48,446 --> 00:46:52,166

There's 50 zip codes, which has the

most violence in the United States,

:

00:46:52,166 --> 00:46:54,086

and if we focus on those 50 zip codes.

:

00:46:54,881 --> 00:46:56,591

With a million bucks.

:

00:46:56,681 --> 00:46:57,761

That is nothing.

:

00:46:57,821 --> 00:46:59,261

That's that rounding error.

:

00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:01,031

That rounding error in the federal budget.

:

00:47:01,091 --> 00:47:02,471

$50 million.

:

00:47:02,471 --> 00:47:02,921

That's it.

:

00:47:03,671 --> 00:47:10,391

Tremendous drop in community violence,

and that's really helping young men, young

:

00:47:10,391 --> 00:47:12,881

boys, work their stuff out constructively.

:

00:47:13,041 --> 00:47:16,311

that that's, that's back at the

mental health, but it's also about

:

00:47:16,311 --> 00:47:19,371

like getting people to love each

other up, not shoot each other up.

:

00:47:20,371 --> 00:47:20,701

Jerremy: Yep.

:

00:47:21,701 --> 00:47:22,961

There's a lot of things we can do, man.

:

00:47:23,664 --> 00:47:25,134

Dave: Harden the schools.

:

00:47:25,224 --> 00:47:28,674

Stop sending our, our, our

young men, young boys to

:

00:47:28,734 --> 00:47:30,714

crazy wars as we're doing now.

:

00:47:30,794 --> 00:47:35,209

like I, that's, it's killing

me because it's killing them.

:

00:47:36,184 --> 00:47:36,474

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

00:47:37,224 --> 00:47:37,914

Stop having worse.

:

00:47:38,034 --> 00:47:38,554

That'd be great.

:

00:47:39,514 --> 00:47:39,834

be incredible.

:

00:47:40,742 --> 00:47:41,582

Dave: Wars of choice.

:

00:47:41,582 --> 00:47:46,222

Stop doing that because it's,

it's the, it's the veteran, it's.

:

00:47:46,364 --> 00:47:46,604

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

00:47:47,692 --> 00:47:51,212

Dave: We've already lost, six, six

Americans to what's going on in the

:

00:47:51,212 --> 00:47:53,252

Middle East, just in the first three days.

:

00:47:53,252 --> 00:47:56,072

But, multiply that by a hundred

and those are the veterans that are

:

00:47:56,072 --> 00:47:57,482

gonna kill themselves afterwards.

:

00:47:57,782 --> 00:48:04,742

I, I'm making that up, but, it's not six,

it's 600, so it's, it's, that's real.

:

00:48:04,772 --> 00:48:08,852

We know that's true and they're not gonna

kill themselves today or tomorrow, but.

:

00:48:09,837 --> 00:48:13,587

Maybe in a month, maybe within a year

of them getting back and exiting the

:

00:48:13,587 --> 00:48:17,567

service, maybe, five years from now,

like that's, that's the burden that we're

:

00:48:17,567 --> 00:48:21,227

putting on these, these young, young

men and women who are serving overseas.

:

00:48:21,377 --> 00:48:22,967

Stop having stupid wars.

:

00:48:23,584 --> 00:48:23,944

Jerremy: Yeah.

:

00:48:24,094 --> 00:48:26,739

Mental health infrastructure,

community violence intervention

:

00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:33,039

school, physical school hardening,

ending, like you just said, ending

:

00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:36,099

perpetual military deployments.

:

00:48:36,729 --> 00:48:42,609

Mandatory training and continuing

education around guns, around helping

:

00:48:42,699 --> 00:48:47,579

our, men and women who use it to just

make sure that they, that, that's

:

00:48:47,579 --> 00:48:49,739

probably just another opportunity

to make sure that everyone's safe.

:

00:48:49,779 --> 00:48:52,209

I, I really like the ammunition

tax directed towards mental health.

:

00:48:53,224 --> 00:48:53,554

Dave: Yeah.

:

00:48:54,001 --> 00:48:56,101

Jerremy: like, Hey, let's just sprinkle

in just a little bit of extra one.

:

00:48:56,101 --> 00:49:01,951

And then obviously everyone agrees

on campaign, campaign finance reform.

:

00:49:01,981 --> 00:49:03,091

We all agree on that.

:

00:49:03,871 --> 00:49:05,281

all know that we need to do it.

:

00:49:06,121 --> 00:49:08,131

We're gonna have to do it from

the inside out at some point.

:

00:49:08,251 --> 00:49:09,806

And, we, we learned a lot.

:

00:49:09,806 --> 00:49:14,546

We covered a lot, and I'm really, really

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:

00:49:14,826 --> 00:49:19,416

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