The Surveillance Stack That Makes UBI a Leash
Palantir tracks every digital transaction, IDEMIA harvests biometrics, and Allied Universal has cameras on every corner — the compliance infrastructure isn't coming, it's already here. Ron Lynch says UBI is the carrot that locks you into that stack. Without a middle class, you get feudalism with Wi-Fi; tiny homes with shared kitchens are cages with better branding. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley walk through what a 38-year-old's daily life looks like in twenty years under this model. The quote that sticks: "The problem with UBI is not the check, it's the chain." Ron draws the line between freedom — the ability to choose — and liberty — actually doing it.
Timestamps:
- (00:20) Surveillance stack already running – Palantir, IDEMIA, Allied Universal
- (02:31) No middle class left – feudalism returns, just with Wi-Fi
- (04:58) Tiny homes, shared kitchens – Ron calls them cages, not communities
- (08:49) Buy back meth towns – Ron's pitch for cultural villages instead
- (10:30) Three to five hours – all humans ever needed to survive daily
- (13:05) Not the check, the chain – Ron's one-line verdict on UBI
- (17:00) 38-year-old in twenty years – what daily life actually looks like
- (19:37) No collective human experience – technology breaks the last shared moment
- (20:07) Photo albums hit the table – every phone disappeared immediately
- (21:30) Freedom vs liberty – ability to choose versus actually doing it
Connect:
- Ron Lynch – Website | Trust Me | The Prismic | Substack
Transcript
The first episode asked whether UBI works in theory.
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:This one shifts to what's actually been
built — biometric systems, behavioral
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:prediction networks, physical surveillance
that already covers every major city.
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:The policy debate is running a
decade behind the infrastructure.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yes.
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:Yes, yes, yes.
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:I mean, so your...
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:But your film documents a very specific
infrastructure already in place.
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:Ron Lynch: Yes.
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:Jerremy Newsome: for behavioral
prediction, Allied Universal for physical
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:security, IDMIA for biometric harvesting.
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:a scenario where a crisis event
becomes the mechanism for locking
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:citizens into digital compliance,
which feels very real to me, with
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:income access as the compliance carrot.
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:structural Logic embedded in any large
scale unconditional payment system.
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:at a sufficient scale, every remaining
recipient share would increase when the
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:total number of recipients decrease.
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:Walk us through how
that incentive operates.
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:Like who benefits from that dynamic?
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:Or well, better yet,
maybe who engineers it?
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:Who's engineering that dynamic?
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:Ron Lynch: So it's, i- it's a cr-
you're s- you're seeing it expressed
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:politically in a number of ways.
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:One is the debt's out of control,
spending's out of control,
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:corruption's out of control, global
climate problems, food resources.
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:We have finite petroleum that
we manufactured this year.
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:We didn't have finite petroleum last year,
but now we have a war, and so we have
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:finite petroleum that's gonna lead to
finite fertilizer, finite food production.
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:Probably not in America, but that's
gonna result in prices going up.
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:So there's these global
players, and I don't...
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:I'm not gonna tell you that
there's an individual that's
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:twisting a mustache in a back
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: But I'm gonna tell you that
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:Jerremy Newsome: Hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: of the digital world
and the political world saying,
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:"We have too many people.
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:We need to ha- we need to reduce our
population and control our population
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:'cause we're destroying the planet."
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:That thought permeates the dialogue.
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:So you go, "Okay, the, the s-
the, the leaders of the world are
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:saying there's too many people.
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:how do they plan on having less people?"
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:Well, China had the one-child policy,
and it appears, if you believe the
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:statistics, that their population's
gonna be cut in half in the next 50
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:years because of that one-child policy.
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:our policy going to be we create
consternation that we have war, or we
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:have people leave the country, or we have
poor ch- just a me- mess of poor people?
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:Here's the challenge with UBI in that.
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:you make people comfortable
with s- X amount of money, are
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:eliminating the middle class, and
the middle class was fundamentally
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:invented in industrialization.
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:There used to be really rich people
and peasants, and the middle class
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:came out of factory workers and
buying your own home and your own car.
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:This is a relatively new
phenomena, the middle class.
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:If eliminate desire for progress
because people are comfortable,
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:and young people can't afford a
house 'cause a house is $800,000...
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:I have a friend who was really
excited 'cause their kid was making
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:a, a, what they thought was a
great wage at $14 an hour at their
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:job, and I said, "You know what?
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:When I was a grocery checker in
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:That was 40 years ago.
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:So that wage should be much higher.
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:Well, you're gonna eliminate people's
ability to want to progress forward.
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:There's n- if there's no place for mo-
mo- upward mobility, then nobody's gonna
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:desire to do it, that elimination of
middle class provides us with an upper
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:class and a lower class, and that's
a technocracy based in feudalism.
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:And that's where this UBI con-
discussion is ultimately headed
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:Jerremy Newsome: Hmm.
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:Hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: the poor, the couch-surfing,
entertained poor, and they become...
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:I mean, it's, on, on a
spreadsheet, that's a liability.
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:And then you have the rich
and the super rich, and there
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:will be nothing in the middle.
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:Do you think if we get to
a, a, true Marxism in this
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:Jerremy Newsome: In a
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:Ron Lynch: a check 'cause they
got so much, do you think they're
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:gonna burn down the mansions?
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:You think they're gonna
destroy the castles?
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:No, they're gonna populate them with
the rich and build a gate around them.
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:And oh, wait, that's
already happening, isn't
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:Jerremy Newsome: lot of places.
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:Ron Lynch: in this
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:Jerremy Newsome: In a lot of places.
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:Ron Lynch: Incredible homes
with gates and security guards,
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:and you're not allowed in.
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:And then, you know what people need?
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:They need tiny homes.
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:They need container homes.
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:They need pocket homes in towers with
shared kitchens where eight kids live
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:in 2,000 square feet and work at a t-
a tech company and share a kitchen and
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:have their meals Uber brought to th...
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:That's birds in a cage.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: And we're teaching
our young people that that's they
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:can hope for, and that's great.
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:You will own nothing and be happy.
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:Well, you'll own nothing and be
miserable because they can't do
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:anything about your happiness.
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:That's your own choice.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Yeah, correct.
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:Ron Lynch: gets built, the cage is
built, and that's, like, this is a
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:very important moment for humanity.
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:Jerremy Newsome: So probably two
questions then, I think maybe for
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:me would be, it also sounds like
there's a number somewhere as well
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:Ron Lynch: as well
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:Jerremy Newsome: that could
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:Ron Lynch: could alleviate stress,
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:Jerremy Newsome: but also still be a hand
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:Ron Lynch: hand
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:Jerremy Newsome: a handout.
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:Ron Lynch: some
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:Jerremy Newsome: Something that's
like, "Hey, we'll take care of some of
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:these main challenges and struggles,"
but you still have to do something and
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:earn something and create something.
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:Ron Lynch: something because
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:Jerremy Newsome: does stem from AI
and robotics are g- are generating
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:Ron Lynch: generate income
for people who have a
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:Jerremy Newsome: new
surplus in five years.
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:People have to work less.
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:Ron Lynch: less,
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:Jerremy Newsome: that do everything,
therefore we get more time back,
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:and if we have more time back,
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:Ron Lynch: more
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:Jerremy Newsome: we should be
more productive with that time.
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:Ron Lynch: less.
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:Is,
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:Jerremy Newsome: Ron, that you feel
is adequate or are we just talking we
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:shouldn't do UBI at all and we should just
continue what we're, what we're doing?
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:Ron Lynch: No, I think that we're
going through a transformation, and I
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:think the healthiest path through the
transformation is lowering the cost,
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:taking those resources that we're now
saying are surplus resources, which we
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:haven't proven that, by the way, but let's
just say they are, and applying those to
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:generalized services that make life which
are currently some of the most expensive
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:services, like education and healthcare,
that e- the entire society benefits
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: systems like that that work?
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:Could we lower the...
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:I mean, we tax gasoline, right?
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:Why?
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:' Cause we can.
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:a hidden tax, take it from the population.
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:Well, remove that.
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:The p- price of g- gas lowers.
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:Inc- increased supply.
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:We have the capacity to do that.
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:We have new energy coming on l- I
don't even know why we're on gas.
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:We should be moving towards
a hydrogen-powered planet,
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:hydrogen is free and abundant.
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:So th- this is the challenge when you're
in the upper echelons of, I'll say,
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:planet management, when, when you're
in the C-suite of how the Earth runs.
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:Gosh, if we went to hydrogen, the
entire economy would collapse because
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:we couldn't charge anybody for anything.
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:You're kind of having that
conversation with robotics and AI,
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:Jerremy Newsome: I mean, which
is the problem that Tesla ran
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:into, Nikola Tesla, right?
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:I mean, if energy is free and easy and
simple, who's making all the money?
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:Ron Lynch: Right, and, and so then you go,
well, things aren't that expensive, right?
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:So y- there isn't a need for money
because if we, if energy is free,
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:transportation's free, trucking is free.
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:Oh, gosh.
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:So the advantage becomes, oh,
robotic factories, robotic farms,
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:robotic fac- transportation.
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:Then I say fine.
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:Let's just go down that s- that...
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:It's science fiction is happening
at a faster rate every day.
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:years ago, we'd be having this
conversation and going, "This is nuts.
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:This isn't gonna happen in our lifetime."
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:And now we're like, "This is gonna
happen in the next five years."
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:So if we, if we go down that path,
then I go, "Fine, what will people be?"
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:Are you enjoying synthetic films?
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:Are you enjoying synthetic paintings?
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:Are you enjoying synthetic songs?
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:Are you enjoying synthetic writing?
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:And the answer is generally no.
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:I can't, I can't...
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:I don't see the humanity in that.
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:So my belief is, and I wrote a separate
book on this called Manifesto for a
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:Modern Millennium, and it's short.
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:So it's my extension of Thomas
Paine's, Common Sense where I wrote
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:like, "Hey, if our forefathers knew of
digitization and what's coming, what
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:are the other rights that they would
have written into the Bill of Rights?"
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:And at the end of this, I kind of
paint a vision for America where we
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:buy back all of the cities of the
agricultural areas that have been
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:destroyed by corporate farms by meth.
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:We have a lot of small towns in America
that are really meth towns, and it's
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:I've drive through them, and it's, you
go to this town, and the town's kind of
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:abandoned, and there's one bar, and you
go into the bar, and it's drunks, takers,
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:drug dealers, and the five old people that
stayed in the town that can't get out.
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:Like, it's n- it's not a great picture.
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:But there's tons of beautiful
homes and real estate that
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:We go, "Hey, if we can work remotely and
do artistic things, why don't we celebrate
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:our cultures and quit saying everybody has
to look like they shopped at The Pottery
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:Barn, and we all have to dress alike?"
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:And go, "It's okay to be Irish.
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:It's okay to be German.
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:It's okay to be Korean."
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:Let's build towns around our cultures and
produce the foods, the art, the fabrics,
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:the textiles, have these great places to
visit, 'cause I would love to live in my
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:town and I'd love to go visit your town.
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:And trade actual money for actual goods
that I knew were tactically made by a
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:human being, and enjoy your food and your
music, supported free economics that AI
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:and robotics and free energy give us.
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:And let us be humans with
those tools instead of let's be
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:slaves because of those tools.
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:They should not displace humanity.
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:They should allow us to And I'm all
for four-day, six-hour-a-day workweek.
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:I think that's f- f- You go back
to when we were tribal, five hour-
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:three to five hours a day is what
it took a human being to survive.
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:convinced ourselves out of guilt and
shame and wealth and abundance and
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:materialism, "Oh, we gotta spend 12 hours
a day working and two more commuting,
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:otherwise we're just not doing enough."
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:Well, that's utter bullshit.
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:A human being can survive on three
to five hours a day of Now think
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:Jerremy Newsome: Focused,
direct, intentional work.
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:Sure.
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:Ron Lynch: you guys have
had jobs in your life.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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:Ron Lynch: We've all had jobs.
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:How much of your job was
really productivity a day?
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:Jerremy Newsome: And that--
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:Ron Lynch: three
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, and that's
actually when I worked at Nationwide
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:Insurance forever and a half ago, I
t- I told my boss, I'm like, "Why do
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:I have to be here nine hours a day?
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:Because the truth is, like, what if I
just come in for four hours, I don't
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:eat, I barely use the bathroom, maybe
ever, I almost never drink water, and
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:I just get the exact job that you're
paying me to do, just get it done in
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:four hours versus nine, and just leave?"
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:Ron Lynch: Everybody can, everybody can do
that, and that can be done in every single
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:I,
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:Jerremy Newsome: Powerful quote.
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:Ron Lynch: to
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, powerful quote.
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:Ron Lynch: I, I used to run a company,
and you could not talk ... I had one
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:assistant that could talk to me for 15
minutes in the morning from 8:00 to 8:15.
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:You could not meet with me before 12:00.
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:And at 1:00, anybody could we- meet
with me on any topic, because I had
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:to get my stuff done in the morning,
and once I did, I was yours, baby.
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:And I think that that's really
true for most people unless you
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:are ... Now mind you, I live on a
farm now, and I have projects that
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:I love the physical
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:Jerremy Newsome: choice.
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:Totally.
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:Ron Lynch: Yeah, and I, if I don't wanna
work for, I, I mow my lawn out front.
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:It's two acres, and I
mow it with a push mower.
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:People are like, "Why don't you have
a ri- riding mower to get a beer?"
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:Because I would look like Family Guy.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
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:Ron Lynch: I would, I would, I
would be 300 pounds, and I would
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:So no, I push my mower and
it keeps me in great shape.
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:I'm, I'm in pretty good
shape for a 60-year-old man.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: So it's why the, the, are
limiting our choices through s- the
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:The, the problem with UBI is
not the check, it's the chain.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm.
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:I love that.
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:Dave: I,
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:Jerremy Newsome: okay.
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:Speak--
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:Dave: yeah, a
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:Jerremy Newsome: Dave.
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:Dave: more about your...
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:I love your frameworks too
when I was, researching you.
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:So you run this Marketing Mercenary.
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:It's this course that takes low-paid
copywriters and, to this, these
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and you got this MBA-style program
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:Ron Lynch: Mm-hmm.
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:Dave: If someone's job is getting repriced
or replaced by AI right now, what are the,
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:What would you hand them to increase their
odds of owning the new intersection rather
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:Ron Lynch: Absolu- and
everybody has this freedom.
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:They just have to have the ... All th-
all things start with awareness, right?
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:Like Alcoholics Anonymous,
once you got a problem.
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:Now, are you not capable of doing?
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:Dave: Hmm.
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:Ron Lynch: you going to
be when you grow up?"
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:of, "What are you going to do?
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:So we tend to g- we, we're in a
society that programs us to think
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:when we work in a company, a founder
created a company, and this is
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service, and I deliver it, and now
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in fulfillment, and now I need a
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the tasks with people.
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:Ron Lynch: when you need your f- how,
are you smarter than your iPhone?
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:When your iPhone can't do
something, what do you do?
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umteen apps on my phone.
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:Ron Lynch: intersection is- W- when I
take a company and I grow it, I remove
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:the pyramid thinking of, "I'm the
pharaoh that founded this pyramid."
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:We're gonna invert this, and we're
gonna put an array of people that
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product's wonderful, and everything's
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:taken care of, and you're gonna pull
two flippers a day: creative decisions
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:no one else can make, and financial
decisions no one else can make.
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:And everybody can be the pinball
player in their own life instead
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:you, you h- have to simply gain
mastery of three or four things.
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:Well for, for Ron, it's actually
cooking, going back to the
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:Now I do one demo in the grocery
store and I sell it to 15 people.
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sell to 15 million people, and it's
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demo, and I'm not selling the food
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:'Cause people want the result, they
don't want the pro- food processor.
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how they have to get it.
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:So you have to think of
your life in that way.
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:Okay, so then there's psychology involved.
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human behavior, I understand business
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:Ron Lynch: Someone has a company
and they say, "We wanna grow."
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to grow companies through media.
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:Well, everybody who gets
paid over $100,000 a year is
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:If you're under $100,000 a
year, you're replacing a task.
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:you have to move from task replacement
to intersection replacement, and anybody
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things, or exposing one or two things
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bit, Ron, since you're such a...
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:twenty years from now, man, twenty
years from now, if the value creation
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:alternative wins and the framework that
you and I describe really does scale,
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:what does a normal thirty-eight-year-old
daily life look like?
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:And how does it feel emotionally
compared to what they have now?
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:Ron Lynch: 38-year-old?
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:So that's me, I'm thirty-eight.
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now, how's thirty-eight?
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:So th- at 38 you are gonna
be on your sixth year of
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first probably, it ... Your
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places: the country or the city.
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progressive, robotic parents who love
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:the system and the corporations And you
went, "Oh, no, I've had enough of this.
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my own home and do my craft business or
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to the culture because my kids deserve to
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that culture, and you
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:Ron Lynch: and you worked there for
five or six years and went, "Great.
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:I'm getting the hell out of here."
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:Because culture is always more
important to people than corporate.
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:And you're gonna wanna You have to
t- you have to take a bite of the
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:Ron Lynch: in the culture and
then tried the religion and
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:So we go, we gotta s- we have to see.
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so we have to do that.
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I said earlier, to have a, a world full of
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to visit that provide us with a lifestyle
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bring the efficiencies to the culture.
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always be murderers.
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:Ron Lynch: be people
that make bad decisions.
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we can catch them faster, I, I mean,
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:Ron Lynch: And I think that, that
we're, we're looking t- at technocracy
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:instead of culture, and we have to
learn how the one supports the other
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technology is technology thus far is
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:the culmination of collective human
experience that endeavors to ensure there
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:Ron Lynch: It's i- it's isolating us.
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:Ron Lynch: all...
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six kids in my living room and a baby,
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:Ron Lynch: They're...
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:My family's together, and
everybody's on their phone, so
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:I did the unconscionable thing.
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I pulled out a bucket of photo
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:Dave: Oh, wow.
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:Ron Lynch: Suddenly, were a family,
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now it was memories and stories
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they're interacting like a family
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of photographs of their childhood.
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story because, I mean, I, I'm
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that to a lot of, I mean, so many
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of it happens so, so, so frequently.
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go away though, Ron, right?
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faster, more accessible, more free.
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good chance that the division continues
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:What's that linchpin that stops it?
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:Ron Lynch: You, the individual,
is always it's choice.
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expressing the freedom.
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and doing the thing.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Shoot.
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:Ron Lynch: but liberty is
when you act upon freedom.
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:Jerremy Newsome: That's good.
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:Ron Lynch: task that I would,
I would give everybody.
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:Everybody's got a digital phone, your
phone is telling you once a week how
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daily, and nobody talks about that.
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shame of like, "Oh my God, I spent
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phone, and my phone just told me."
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whether it's five hours or six
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you go on a phone diet?
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just realize these are intellectual
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face with, they're dead calories.
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number at 50% in the next week."
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I have to go do things.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: D- do it, do it for a week
and see how much better your life is.
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'cause anxiety is fear of the future.
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:Jerremy Newsome: It's an end of...
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:Ron Lynch: go g-
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: give those, give that...
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and tell me you don't feel better.
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I don't know if you know what a brick is.
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looks like a chunky chocolate bar.
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programmed my phone to lock social
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or anyth- just in those hours.
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great," because I have limited my
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else can I use this tool to
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:Ron Lynch: I need to communicate with
people, but I've learned if I'm gonna
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: pick up my phone or
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: and communicate with
people, and then I'm gonna leave
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have about 12 hours of consulting I do.
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things on the land and I'm why I can
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thinking about stuff that bugs the hell
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:Jerremy Newsome: Speaking of, where
can people find you on Substack, Ron?
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:Ron Lynch: They, they ... And, you can
find me under my name, Ron Lynch, but
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they give you a subscription name.
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:I did not pick this name,
but I think it's hysterical.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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:Ron Lynch: get the, the
implicit humor in that
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:Jerremy Newsome: Yes.
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:Ron Lynch: I am R2BU on Substack.
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:Jerremy Newsome: Right on.
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:Ron Lynch: business, politics,
filmmaking, all this, this nonsense.
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:Alex: Ron's laid out the vision
— craft towns, creator economies,
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is still controlled by someone.
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:Who owns that pipeline, and what
dismantles it, is what's up next.
