Episode 214

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11th May 2026

The Great Displacement: AI, Jobs, and Who Gets Left Behind

Businesses will replace humans for better ROI — and the timeline is shorter than most people think. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley sit down with Justin Meyers and Jason Sipple on what AI, robots, and automation actually do to work. Justin predicts that by 2030 most people will spend their day talking to a personal AI model and reviewing what it produced. Jason left a corporate leadership role after building a division from zero to $30M under crushing hours, and now says entrepreneurs either integrate AI or get replaced. Justin shares the story of engineers who refused to use AI tools because they knew they were training their own replacements. The conversation cuts through the "AI is just a tool" line and asks who's actually adapting and who's pretending it isn't happening.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) The wave already hit – AI, jobs, and the hustle that stopped working
  • (01:05) Meet the guests – Justin Meyers and Jason Sipple introduced
  • (01:31) Every industry, no exceptions – where AI is already reshaping work
  • (03:17) The owner reaction split – who's adapting and who's frozen
  • (05:29) Your day in 2030 – talking to AI, reviewing AI, repeat
  • (08:00) Robots in the kitchen – why Justin wants a humanoid at home
  • (10:41) Zero to $30M, then out – Jason's corporate exit story
  • (12:53) Training your replacement – engineers who saw it coming

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Transcript
Jerremy Newsome:

Something has changed, shifted, not slowly quickly.

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jobs that looked safe two years ago are

the ones getting repriced right now.

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The degree that was supposed to open doors

has half of new grads working jobs that

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don't need it, and the people who followed

every rule of the old deal are the

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ones with the latest ground under them.

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My name is Jerremy Alexander Newsom

with my co-host Dave DC Conley, and

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this is solving America's problems.

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Justin Meyers called this

before and had a name.

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His great displacement theory is

a warning and a blueprint, he is

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not waiting on government to act.

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He's building the tools, the tech

and the infrastructure so that

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this transition benefits people

instead of just replacing them.

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Jason Sipple spent years as a top

earner in corporate recruiting, felt

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the weight of the same broken system

up close, and then flipped the script

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teaching Americans how to take back

control of their financial lives without

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waiting for the system to fix itself.

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Justin, Jason, welcome to the show.

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Justin Meyers: Thanks for having me.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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So Justin, we're gonna start with you,

man, since you're the youngest and the

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three of us, you called what's coming?

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The biggest thing in any lifetime

in known existence, most guests

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say something like that and they

generally admit nothing by it.

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Make us believe what you mean.

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What are you watching right now that

most people haven't caught up to yet?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah.

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So I mean, it's really gonna change

everything we know from every

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different industry, from healthcare,

from finance, to manufacturing

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production, to, how we look at travel.

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it's one of the great examples is

back in the day, people used to

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ride horses to get to work, right?

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And now eventually cars will be,

probably the same thing where you'll

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take your car out on your track, right?

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And everything like that.

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But, we'll use different means of

transportation, whether it's autonomous

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vehicles or some other type of, travel

tech that hasn't been released yet.

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And I think.

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If you look at it from a business

standpoint, all of you are

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business owners, entrepreneurs.

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If you're able to have an employee

that doesn't sleep, that can run 24 7

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autonomously, doesn't make mistakes,

and then you can bring on a, humanoid

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robotic that could do a lot of these

tasks, eventually you're just gonna have a

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better ROI, you're gonna have a lower cost

customer acquisition cost, you're gonna

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have a higher customer lifetime value

and probably a better retention rate.

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So it's like making decisions like

that become easier and easier if

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you look at it from just a strictly

business, not a human standpoint, on

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making those replacements for AI and

robots supposed to people, right?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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And so it, when you say it, you are

referring to artificial intelligence?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah.

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And robots, drones, all in the, the group.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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All bundled together.

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It's it is coming very swiftly.

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It is coming very swiftly and I think

there's gonna be a really cool inflection

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point where it becomes super amazing,

like you said, of people making more

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profits, companies making more profits,

and or that big great displacement, which

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I know that there's gonna be something

happening with that e to everyone,

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everyone who's in the workforce right now.

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Jason, you work with people who are

carrying the weight of this presently.

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I know you're a huge fan of presence.

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What's the thing that they say to

you that the economic headlines

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are not capturing at all?

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Jason Sipple: Hmm.

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that's a hefty first question, Mr.

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Newsom.

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Jerremy Newsome: sir.

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Jason Sipple: we talking about ai,

are we talking about things that

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just aren't being said in general?

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Or what are we talking about exactly?

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Like gimme a more specific question.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Let's talk about the AI aspect.

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So you work with business

owners all the time.

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Are they bringing it up to you?

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Are they talking about it?

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Is there fear there when they speak to

you about their jobs, about their income?

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'cause you help people with

their income and their finances.

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Are they aware yet that there's

gonna be a huge shift coming and are

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they making actions to overcome it?

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Jason Sipple: Yeah, I

think, great question.

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I think most entrepreneurs understand that

you're either using and integrating AI

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into your business at this point, you're

gonna be replaced by someone who is right.

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So if they're, builders, if they're

creators, they're already looking to

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actively integrate, like Justin's talking

about, to, give them back more of their

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time to integrate things seamlessly.

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Or if they're on the other side of

things, then they're probably going to

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get replaced, If they're not, if they're

thinking in the borrower consumer mindset

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where there's like, Hey, it doesn't have

anything to do with me, I think that is

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probably not the way to go right now.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, just

avoiding it altogether, pretending

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Jason Sipple: just pretending

it's not happening.

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Pretending there's not a tsunami

coming that's gonna hit us all.

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And 'cause I work with a guy

who's built our site in different

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things and understands this

thing at a super deep level.

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Being a PhD, he was a former

professor for years at a university

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that, at Liberty University.

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And now he works for the Department

of Defense and he does security.

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And so he's already seen what security

breaches, he's already seen what

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he's doing in the industry at the

cutting edge of it getting replaced.

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like, it's either gonna be glorious,

as Justin was describing, or it

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could be the exact opposite or

maybe it falls somewhere in between.

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Jerremy Newsome: Mm.

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Okay.

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So since you're on a roll, and then

Justin, we're gonna paddleboard

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it over to you as, as well.

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So both of you feed me into this one.

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Paint me a picture.

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What does a 30 5-year-old student

who went to college, what does their

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Tuesday morning look like in 2030?

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Justin Meyers: Tuesday morning in 2030.

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I mean, it's gonna involve probably

talking to your own personal model

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that does most of the things for you.

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I think most like applications like

desktop applications and mobile

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applications will be like a thing of the

past will probably have like an AI that

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you just talked to to be like, okay,

today I'm gonna order my DoorDash and

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I'm gonna call my ride at this time.

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And it'll all be through conversation,

through talking to, your phone,

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you'll just be able to talk to it.

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You'll be able to order your

food, you'll be able to do all of.

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You'll be able to do all of those things.

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If you have work, you'll know you'll

be able to talk to AI about all your

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tasks that you have to do for that day.

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Minimal as they'll probably be in 2030.

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It's more of probably like checking

the AI's work at that point.

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Jerremy Newsome: Checking the

AI's work, just reviewing, making

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sure it didn't make any mistakes.

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Justin Meyers: I.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, it's kinda wild.

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It's amazing to think about.

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love hearing it from a, young hustling

entrepreneur who's, in it right now.

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What about you, Jason?

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We think, man, so I mean,

let's take your son, right?

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let's say Diego, what's

his morning look like?

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You think in.

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Tuesday, 34 years from now.

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Jason Sipple: As a Marine.

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Let's see, as a marine, I mean, we

don't know where he'll be stationed yet.

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he wants to be a common engineer.

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He's talking about, potentially

going into ranger school afterwards.

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I think now that he's getting

tortured on a regular basis.

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With his training.

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I think that he's seeing that

he has a lot more to give.

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So I'm excited to see where

he will be in four years.

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And then, Connor, the 11-year-old,

I mean, I think he's ready

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to take over the world now.

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Like with the brain, he has,

and with electronics and things.

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And I don't know, I think

we're gonna, it's four years

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from now, it's, coming fast.

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I think we're gonna overcompensate

in a lot of ways because there's

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it we're, we keep seeing all these

new models and these new things and

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agentic things, and it's like, Hey,

moving really fast, trying to keep up.

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And then it just changes.

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it's gonna change with a code being

leaked or something of that nature.

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I don't know.

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I can't really imagine.

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I just know learning and keep growing

and keep looking, figuring out

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what you want to create the clearer

you are on where you're going, the

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more the AI can help you get there.

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Dave Conley: let me ask

you a scary question.

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I think there's a, There's an idea that

this is gonna like, end the world, right?

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I mean, it's not like a non-zero chance,

but the thing that occurs to me is

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that we're, we're already letting these

things all over our computers, all of

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our, financial information like the

ones and zeros that make up our life.

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Would you actually let like

the machines into your house?

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And I don't mean like a Roomba, right?

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Like I'm, I'm talking about a

machine that can wield a knife and

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cook you dinner and, crush a melon.

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like this.

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These things sound terrifying to me.

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But would you, would you let

the machines in the house.

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Jason Sipple: It freaks me out, man.

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I wouldn't get in the machine driven

car when I went to the Phoenix Airport,

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right when that showed up and looked like

something from back to the Future, and

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they're like, oh, it's a better ride.

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And it's a ja.

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Jerremy Newsome: Is that what you got?

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Did you get a Zeus or whatever it was

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Jason Sipple: I don't remember, but

it was literally a Jaguar, right?

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With like the, with the thing on the

top and the sides, and it was like,

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here, we'll give you a discount.

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You don't have to leave a tip.

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And I'm like, no, thank you.

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if I get, what if I get stuck in there?

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Like, what if I can't get out?

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No, I'm with you Dave.

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I don't know.

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I didn't have a computer until I

was 24, so like, this is, and I'm,

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I'm only a couple years after that

now, so it's not been that long.

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I've been around computers, right?

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So.

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Dave Conley: Wow.

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How about you, Justin?

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Are you letting the machines in

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, I mean,

restrictively, I'm a little weary on

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something like an open claw bot to

give it full read and write access to

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all of my text messages to be able to

send all these, emails autonomously.

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I feel like I'm pretty efficient using

AI to help with many of my tasks and,

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kind of being that human in the loop,

but also that's like the cynical me of

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like, I want to be able to review this

because I don't fully trust it yet.

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Dave Conley: Oh, no doubt.

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reading a, a post last night,

which I think was terrifying.

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It was this, a guy who ran a,

small business and he ran a small

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business for small businesses, right.

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And the AI platform, which was one

of the ones what they, market as,

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Hey, this is like the safe one,

like destroyed their business.

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Like, it, hit, wiped out everything

and there was no going backwards.

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And they are cooked.

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I mean, there is nothing.

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And when they queried the ai,

the AI said, oh yeah, I wasn't

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supposed to do any of that.

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Okay, thanks.

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like these things are incredible.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, I'm

letting 'em in my house.

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rollout day.

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Yep.

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Dave Conley: Wow.

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Jerremy Newsome: Roll.

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I'm gonna get an optimist rollout

day as soon as I can purchase one.

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Yeah, man.

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Just to see it.

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I mean, try it out.

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Like, it'll be interesting.

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It'll be fun, it'll be

unique, it'll be exciting.

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well this time, travel the other

direction then for just a quick moment.

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Jason, I think it was like

three-ish years for you.

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You were leading what, a $25 million

division and you're hitting every number.

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us to that exact moment,

that turning point.

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What did it feel like in your

body, and what did you say

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to yourself in that instance?

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What caused you to shift from the deal

to being your own boss and stepping

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out into the fear the unknown.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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What a, what a shift.

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Well, Patty, I think I've

told you a story, right?

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When I came back and that shift

happened, she literally had me sleeping

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in another room for like three months

and was calling me Captain America and

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all kinds of stuff when that happened.

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So, but no, the, how it felt in my body,

like the trade I made when I joined

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the equity backed company was like, all

right, I'm gonna go into leadership.

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I have an opportunity to be an

entrepreneur and build something.

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build something hopefully really cool.

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When I started, it was nothing.

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It was a phone and a compute, a

laptop, zero revenue for that division.

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I took on, the end of the year, it was 2.6

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million, right?

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Within nine months, and within five

years it was a $30 million division.

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so I took on one job, but I had five.

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I literally did a different job

every day, and the company scaled

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from 30 to 600 million, and all

the time I bought back by quitting

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Ironman and coming back to my family.

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literally giving it back to corporate.

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And so how it felt was awful.

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It was like this wasn't a dream.

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Dropping Connor off at school at

7 45 in the morning and getting

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home at seven 30 at night.

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And always being stressed because

I had 11 direct reports and about

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3000 people that were under my

purview as far as who I managed.

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So it, was a lot, man.

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And, and it didn't feel like

what mom and dad taught you.

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Show up first, leave last, work

hard, be humble, was actually

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ending up going anywhere.

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Jerremy Newsome: I mean that's,

what's changing right now.

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I mean, it's changing right now and

I think it's gonna continue to shift.

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And then we're gonna have remarkable

entrepreneurs and leaders like Justin

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who can give other people and guidance.

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So Justin, you building your

own company, in a team of,

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what was it, 20 plus engineers.

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They were deploying all the AI tools and

then the company did not work, right?

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It failed.

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us what happened when you

realized that the engineers kind

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of knew they were training their

own replacement, so to speak.

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, so this was early

when Claude Code really was starting

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to be recognized along with like

different tools like Codex and Copilot.

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And essentially I looked at it

from a efficiency standpoint.

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I was like, man, if I have 20 engineers

who could really harness these AI

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code writing tools and say it could

even do 60% of the work, this was a

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couple years, almost two years ago.

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at that point, which it could have done

50 to 60% of their job, it would've

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made them that much more efficient,

but they basically refused to use it

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even after, making it a declaration

for the company saying, Hey, all of

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you need to be writing code with this.

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because they thought they were

programming their basically replacement,

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by giving it all these feedbacks

and it would render them useless.

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Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Which is wild.

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Huh?

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Wild to think it's like, you're gone.

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You did a lot of work.

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Didn't work out.

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Sorry.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, let's steal, man,

that, advice, the loudest advice kind

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of, you almost said it perfectly.

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Learn to code into ai.

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Get ahead of it.

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Tell us, or show us if possible,

where do you think this advice

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could collapse in real time?

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For real people?

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Justin Meyers: Can you break

that down a little bit?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, so the

whole just adapt theory, right?

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You're like, Hey, if we learn to

code, learn to ai, learn to use

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it, learn to integrate with it.

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But I mean, there's millions of people

that aren't gonna take that advice.

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where does it break down for them?

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Like what do you think they end up

doing if they don't take the advice?

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What do they work?

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What skills do they use?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, so I mean, I

think it's gonna come down to like

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either universal basic income or

universal high income, as Elon calls it.

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If you're not one of the people that

is essentially, leveraging these tools

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and being a more valuable employee or

an entrepreneur by being able to wear

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multiple hats and fulfill multiple

functions for the company, I think

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you, you're gonna end up in a bucket of

society that's, dependent completely on

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government, and they'll have you on the

CBDC happily on your augmented reality

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glasses, playing video games all day.

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I think the government is

more than happy with that.

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And then, you have these consumers

that are just consuming and then

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their stimulus check goes right

back to the giant corporation.

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So it's a big cycle at the end of the day.

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And I think there's gonna be a very

small group of people that harness AI

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and just dominate industries because

think of it like this, if you can

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be a trucking company that cuts out,

that does nationwide, halls, right?

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And you use AI for all of your routes,

logistics, brokering of loads for,

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AI cameras to track all of your

inventory inside the trucks, and now

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you have a 30% better profit margin

than any other trucking company,

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you're gonna dominate everybody.

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Especially with oil prices being so high.

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And then you start to incorporate

autonomous trucks, your margins

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become even better because then you

don't have to pay for the driver.

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You're gonna eliminate entire

industries of trucking companies.

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So it's like, what side

of it do you end up on?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Yes.

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I.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah, no, I mean like that,

is like, that's the tidal wave, right?

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We're looking up at this

thing and does it really?

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I mean, when you look at all the

structure, we look at what happened at,

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around the, the industrialization, all the

different big things that happened there

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with food and, financials and politics and

money, Agriculture and everything else.

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Like we, we built these systems

that are controlled by very few.

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And so now are we just shifting the power?

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Are they the same people that

are gonna have the power?

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Like what is, this new

world order gonna be?

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Right?

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Like Justin's talking about you have

one company that takes over everything.

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Isn't that, I mean, we were joking

around yesterday at the beach, we're

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looking at, we're looking at na, we're

looking at nasa, we're looking at

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SpaceX, we're looking at Blue Origin.

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We're like, oh, there's,

another Amazon box.

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Oh, there's, is this the

same as the Terminator?

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And Skynet?

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'cause now you have access,

like you said, to everything.

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You have access to all of your

personal information, what

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you like, where it shows up.

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And now it's getting delivered by

this trucking company that Justin just

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talked about that doesn't have to hire

anybody that's 30% more profitable.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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so, name me.

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Just for fun, which movie are

we in, or is it going to happen?

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So we have Terminator,

we have Wally, we have

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Justin Meyers: Matrix.

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Jerremy Newsome: and we have the Matrix.

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Which one?

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Those are the Four.

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Four.

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Choices.

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Justin Meyers: I think

it's a unique blend.

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I think we're good.

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I think it.

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Jason Sipple: or red?

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Justin Blue or red?

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What are you taking?

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Justin Meyers: Oh, red pill for sure.

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Jerremy Newsome: Love

it, love it, love it.

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What about you, Jason?

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Which one are you?

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Is it a blend of all of them,

or you got one where it's like,

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this is happening, this is it.

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We're going there.

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Jason Sipple: Man, I

look towards abundance.

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Like if you, if you go how,

let's take it way back.

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Let's go back.

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I don't know what the original

title of the book was, but the

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Science of Getting Rich, I think

it's by Wilson Waddle, right?

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Where he talks about all of the things

that we might look at today as being evil.

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creating infrastructure.

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when you look at what Rockefeller

created, and a lot of us look for legacy

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purposes to Rockefeller, but also, it's

very in instrumental in what happened

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with the, Federal Reserve, right?

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What happened with IRS, what happened

with a lot of other standardizations

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and control that's been created, and

Dave kind of mentioned earlier, worried

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about control and the amount of control

that we're seeing, exerted over us.

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Justin mentioned as well, I think I

lost my train of thought, but where

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we're going with, where we're going with

the fact that it, I wanna look towards

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that all of all of things are being

created, are for a bigger purpose that we

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Justin Meyers: Subject.

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Jason Sipple: yet.

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We're shifting on a consciousness

level to a higher level.

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Like if you look at, force versus

power, like there's more people

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that exist in power today on a

conscious level, Newsom, right?

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This is something you love than

there ever has been before.

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And so are we moving towards like a

different kind of existence for all of

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us where it's gonna be beneficial and

we can actually look at it that way.

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And we get rid of ego and competition

and a lot of other things that cause

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lot of the strife in the world, but

it also gives us a lot of money too.

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So you know who's gonna win that battle?

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that's gonna take and leaders and

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people to guide it towards that mindset

it's really just the guiding of the

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ship of what direction we want to go.

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I think we're, I think we're at that

point right now in the next year

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and a half to two and a half years,

there's gonna be certain voices and

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certain people in certain tribes and

companies that stand up and go, listen.

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The universal basic income, which is

actually gonna be our next discussion

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in this series, in this podcast.

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And just going through that and talking

about the pros and the cons and what it

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looks like, what it doesn't look like,

and who will accept it and who wouldn't

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accept it and why, and when and where.

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But I mean, ultimately, to your point,

man, the company will be making more

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money and they'll be doing less work.

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And Justin, as you said earlier,

you'll wake up and just kind of

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manage your robots and they'll be

out and doing all the things for you.

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So you can still create money

more easily and effectively.

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AKA, you have more freedom.

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then, and with more freedom, you can

either become a degenerate and do

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absolutely nothing for the world and

just suck off the tet of everyone else.

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Or you have the ability to create bigness

and more and opportunity and shift people

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into a brighter, bigger, bolder thinking.

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'cause now they have more time.

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And very, very similar to

the, social media and to the

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phones and to the rise of you.

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You mentioned software applications,

like people have the ability to create

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more, faster, quicker, better now.

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They just need to be told and need to

be guided, and that's gonna be a big,

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revolution of shifting the educational

system in this country, shifting what

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we talk about, how we talk about who

talks about it, how often they do so,

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and giving them that mindset, Jason,

of that abundance and how they can

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actually feel that and tap into, it's

gonna be remarkable in my opinion.

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I think that's remarkable.

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I love, how you just reframed, the,

the whole thinking through and it's

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really comes back, like I heard on

your, one of your last episodes right.

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Of, this amazing podcast of

talking about how the founding

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fathers were entrepreneurs.

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What a shift that was for you.

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And I think if they looked, if they were

around, like are they not tossing and

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rolling over in their graves over and over

and over again to see where we've went?

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so do we, have the opportunity to bring

it back to the U and me level where it

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starts being driven by values and vision?

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What do we stand for?

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What do we stand against?

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in a different direction based on that.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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Jason Sipple: Based.

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Jerremy Newsome: And Jason, I think,

and Justin, you'll like this question

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too, but Jason, a lot of, let's call it

plenty of credible voices right now that

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are saying, and still saying, budget.

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Better side, hustle more.

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Pull yourself up, give us the strongest

version of that argument, and then tell

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us why it still leaves $165,000 a year

earner in the closet at the end of each

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month, not being able to pay their bills.

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Jason Sipple: yeah.

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well, I mean.

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I don't think that prescribing to

the hustle culture is a solution.

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Like some people, 4,000 plus calls

in, some people do have to go and

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figure out, the first thing they

have to do is how to make money.

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this is, I battle this every day

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Jerremy, like, when you want something

big and you want to go after this

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dream, you just get up and do more?

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do you work longer hours?

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Do you do more, do you do more hustles?

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Do you create more or are you

more more intentional, more,

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build different relationships.

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I think that's, the one thing that

I learned from my parents where.

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You just work harder, you work more,

you do more Like that guy that wants

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to hide in the closet, that's, he's

still operating from that pattern.

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he does more things will work better.

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of looking and saying, Hey,

the pattern has to change.

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Like I need a different system.

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I need a different operating system that's

gonna be in the best interest of my family

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that I have control over, that I have

guarantees with, that I can start using.

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to shift the pattern.

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'cause one thing is to be like aware

of your pattern and another thing is

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actually doing the work to shift it.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah,

it's, it's very easy.

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It's just easier not to.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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Well, and we talked about the

education system changing, right?

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For your boys.

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boys, for all kids.

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we want to teach 'em, like, I think

the most important thing we can

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do with everything that's changing

right now with ai, with phones,

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with integration of technology.

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Is to teach people how to think versus

what to think, and then they can

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make better decisions than we were.

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Kind of taught.

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Right?

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Because we're still, a lot of us are

still operating from the do more show up.

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Show up first, leave last,

be humble, work hard.

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And we're wondering,

well, I'm being polite.

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Yes ma'am.

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Yes.

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No, no, thank you sir.

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Right.

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And you're wondering why it's not working

out better for you because you don't

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really understand the game you're playing.

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Jerremy Newsome: Heck yeah.

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so Justin, you and I have done

a podcast together before.

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It was flipping dope by the way,

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Alex: Justin paints AI swallowing

every industry whole, while Jason

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exposes the hustle trap that left a

$165K earner curled up in his closet.

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Next—when purpose itself

collapses, what rises in its place?

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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