Episode 215

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12th May 2026

AI Job Loss, Purpose Collapse, and Who Owns Your Data?

Purposelessness leads to violence — and the panel thinks America is at the front edge of that curve. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley dig into widening wealth inequality, a shrinking middle class, two-tier justice, inflation, and AI displacement with Justin Meyers and Jason Sipple. They borrow Joe Rogan's "Bob the lawyer" thought experiment to explain what happens to identity when AI outperforms a 30-year career and UBI pays the bills anyway. Coaching work, mentorship, and acting before pain forces you to keep coming up as the practical counter. Then the conversation turns to data sovereignty — frontier AI APIs absorbing everything you type, social platforms profiling behavior, and what it would mean to actually own and monetize your own data through tokenized, immutable records.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) Purpose, identity, and data sovereignty – what this segment unpacks
  • (00:02) From purposelessness to violence – the dynamic already starting
  • (01:39) Bob the lawyer breaks – identity collapse when AI outperforms you
  • (14:29) Your data, your balance sheet – what owning it could actually mean

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Transcript
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Justin warns purposelessness at scale ends in violence—then Bob the

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lawyer arrives, identity gone, playing

video games on universal income.

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Jason presses Jerremy: how do people

change before they hit rock bottom?

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Jason Sipple: Hmm.

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Jerremy Newsome: I remember

you saying that purposelessness

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scale ends in violence.

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How close do you think America

actually is to seeing that dynamic

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emerging communities, and what

signals are you watching for?

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Justin Meyers: Great question.

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I mean, wealth and equality seems

to be one of the biggest factors is.

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When we lose the middle class and it

becomes, the elite and also we all,

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see that there's clearly tier two

tiers of justice systems in place.

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Jerremy Newsome: I.

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Justin Meyers: One for the elite

and one for the regular person.

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So for the regular person, if you're left

with nothing, your money's worth nothing.

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We go to stagflation or hyperinflation and

then you got a bunch of pissed off people

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who just lost their jobs to AI and robots.

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that doesn't seem like it's

gonna stay all kosher, on calm.

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Dave Conley: Hmm.

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And, so where, where are

we in that right now?

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Do you think?

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We're at the beginning of that.

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We're in the middle of that.

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We're at the end times of that.

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Is this like a, like a huge, is it gonna

get better before it gets worse or get

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worse before it's gonna get better?

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Justin Meyers: I think it has to

get worse before it gets better.

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I mean, clearly the system that we're

operating on doesn't work, and it seems

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like we're supposed to have a social

contract with those we elect in office

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who are completely doing us wrong.

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If some of these things that we see

on these files, some of the things

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we hear going on, some of these

wars that we're in, and the premise

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for some of these things are true

and they're doing things for evil

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purposes, then yes, full system reset.

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Dave Conley: Hmm.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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So walk us through Bob, the

lawyer, who's Bob and, what

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does his life look like at 45?

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What does,

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Justin Meyers: Oh.

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Dave Conley: like at 55?

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If nothing's changing, I.

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Justin Meyers: got a shout.

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Joe Rogan out for this.

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So he made a great analogy.

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So he was saying, imagine Bob the

lawyer who was the most hot shot

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lawyer down in New York, right?

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Like in suits.

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And essentially, Bob was winning all

these trial cases until there's this

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new AI law firm that you can inject

all of the evidence, you could ingest

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all the contracts, and you have a

custom LLM based on your court case.

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And now, they can offer legal services

for 70% cheaper than Bob's firm

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and have, 60 to 70% better results

that are personal to their case.

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That could read every line

of case law ever put out.

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Ever.

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So Bob's like.

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His identity's gone because he would be

out at the bars drinking or the club.

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He was like, I'm this hotshot lawyer.

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And then now after Bob lost his

job and their firm went under, Bob

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gets universal basic income and

people ask Bob, what do you do now?

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He is like, well, I play video

games all day and I collect

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my universal basic income.

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So what does Bob do?

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Dave Conley: Hmm.

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And Jason, when, so when you hear that

that scenario, the identity collapse,

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the purposeless purposelessness, what do

you recognize from your actual clients?

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Is Bob already in the room?

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I mean, is he here?

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I mean, who, are you coaching in this?

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I.

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Jason Sipple: Oh, great.

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Quick, great question with Bob, I mean,

Bob wouldn't be my ideal person I'd

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want to be working with, like, will

help Bob if he comes in front of me.

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I'll do my best to leave whoever

I'm meeting better than I found him.

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Right?

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But if that's Bob's mindset that he's

gonna collect income and play video games,

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Bob and I aren't getting along real well.

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I don't have a lot in common with Bob.

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I don't know how to coach him.

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I talked to someone like

Bob the other day where.

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he is been an entrepreneur for 25

years, has two of his boys involved in

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the business, makes $290,000 a year,

like doing, well, but a ton of, fears.

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I could hear it in the language, right?

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Jerremy, like, you can hear it in the

language and you're speaking to somebody

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he is like, well, I just spent all

my savings to go watch my two teenage

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boys play soccer over the weekend.

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played soccer in college.

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He's telling me he was in great

shape, still late fifties, and he's

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just like about he, he's worried

about so many things, but he doesn't

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want to change the pattern he is in.

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And I just want to tell 'em

like, Hey man, like you told

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me, I could tell you the truth.

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And the truth is, if you don't do

something now and start taking better

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care of yourself now and putting yourself

first rather than last, you'll literally

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be in the same place at 69, 79, 89.

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And whenever you go, things

will not change for you.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, that's the crazy

part is it's, it's now regardless,

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now it's a, regardless of the function

of society and how they're getting

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their money too, in my opinion,

Justin is like, plenty of people that

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are kind of getting a form of that,

although it's not high income, you

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have a lot of government programs.

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Or they get income now, right?

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They're just not doing it.

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'cause of robots and AI necessarily.

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It's the government funding it You also

have people that have inheritances.

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You have people that have trusts,

you have people that are receiving

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money from previous generations.

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You have business owners.

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It really is ultimately, the mindset

shift that someone has to help

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people make and see and understand.

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that's just what I wish presently,

that we had more synergistic viewpoints

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and either, let's call it politics or

let's call it movies, or let's call

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it, TV shows where you have mindsets

centered around regardless of how you're

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creating income and regardless of how

much it is, you can always create more.

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always do more for the world.

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You can always find a way to give back.

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And the more you give,

the more you receive.

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The secret to living is giving, and if

you find ways to take copious amounts

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of time, which realistically everyone

has now, both the billionaire and the

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be, have the same 24 hours in a day.

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all have the same resources.

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We all have access to oxygen our mind

and our money for 98%, 99% of the

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population, and those who obviously are

just in a position mentally where they

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cannot, then I would love for them to

have better better, provisions where that

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they can do the things they need to do

to live a little bit of a better life.

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But ultimately.

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I'm a big, big negative proponent.

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I'm excited to be, transformed,

potentially into a UBI system or

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into a system where's like, Hey,

if you're making money passively,

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you're doing whatever you wanna do.

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That's always the dream.

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Everyone now wants to click buttons

and just make money passively, but

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the people who want to do that aren't

doing it now when it's available now.

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So even when it's available in the

future, they're still gonna get

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whatever income they get and they're

still not gonna do anything with it

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unless, they're told differently.

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They're taught differently.

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They're guided differently by some

loving, caring, compassionate system

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that starts from the ground floor that

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Jason Sipple: Yes.

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Jerremy Newsome: out throughout

the nation, which I would call the

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educational system slash entrepreneurs,

like all four of us on this panel.

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Having the ability to pour into

people constantly and perpetually and

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frequently to show them that there is

a better way, there's a better light,

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there's another opportunities available.

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Jason Sipple: Jerremy question for you.

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I man.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Keep going.

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President of the United

States, here he comes.

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Jerremy Newsome: Let's go baby.

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Jason Sipple: but question

for you on that though then.

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How do you, how do you help someone?

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'cause I haven't found the answer yet.

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Like, I believe like everything you

just said and when you're trying to

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move someone towards what's possible

for 'em, my experience is people

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aren't moving unless there's enough

pain for, them to hit that rock

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bottom for them to say, oh my God,

this is not what I was meant to do.

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Like, so how do we get this?

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Unless, nevermind, I'm gonna let you

answer 'cause I have some thoughts

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on it, but what would you say?

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Jerremy Newsome: I can't wait.

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Well, Justin brought up a great point.

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He said we have a lot more pain to

go, and I think that is an extremely

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true sentence, right, Justin?

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Like there's, a lot more pain for people

to wake up to go, wait a minute, there's

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probably a different way to live.

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I think the necessity is the mother

of invention, so the Great depression.

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kind of in a way forced to recognize

that the fourth industrial revolution

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was here and that we had to stop being

an agrarian culture and community.

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And we had to shift from being

farmers to doing something different.

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And that, even then, the Great Depression,

the Dust Bowl was a 25% unemployment rate.

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I mean, people talk about

it like it was 85%, no

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: right?

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One out of every four didn't.

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one of, 'cause I'm not lo one of

you guys are losing a job, right?

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Like it's, it's only 25%.

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Like yeah, it kind of sucks, but

it's not the most tragic thing ever.

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And the likelihood, that people can lose

a lot more than that is very possible.

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It's very imminent.

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So to me, to answer your question, Jason,

I feel like people have to be able to.

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given the pain and have them walk

through exercises, educational

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approaches, mentorships, masterminds

group think where they can see, feel

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known, and understand the pain and

how it can build in the future so

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that they don't have to experience it.

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And ultimately, also believe that

people will move from immense amount

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of pain or immense amount of pleasure.

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And it's the unfortunate truth

that general human psychology

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works better with getting beat by

a rod than going after the carrot.

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just happen to be wired

the exact opposite.

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Like you can beat me into submission

forever, and I don't do anything

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unless I actually want to.

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pleasure is my biggest motivator.

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It's my biggest driver.

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So that's just how I'm wired.

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It's just how I'm

created, which is awesome.

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And I do think, man, that it's gonna be a,

process of cabinet members, of educational

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members of secretary, members of Senate,

members of Congress members, and also,

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Look at the platform that Mark Zuckerberg

has that Jeff Bezos has, that they're

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not using nearly like Elon's using.

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And when I say Elon's platform, I

just literally mean going out there.

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The guy spends seven hours a day

on Twitter, and he is sharing and

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posting and giving and commenting

and giving, people the red pill

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treatment, if you will, of sending

them videos and sending them messages.

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And when people said like, oh, the

moon landing was fake, he sent like

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55 different articles out there.

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It was like, Hey guys, like if

you believe the earth is flat that

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you're, entitled to believe that.

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But here's incredible evidence

that is the exact opposite.

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But we have so many people in an

extremely large power position,

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let, I mean, dude, LeBron James cdo.

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Ronaldo them the mentorship, the capacity

to just simply provide to people.

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different path and a different idea so

that they do not have to experience a

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likely large amount of pain that is going

to come, that will shift the nation.

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And I just hope that I can ha make

all this happen fast enough because

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I will be one of those voices.

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I'm gonna continue to be one

of those voices, and that's

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why we're all here, right?

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We're all gonna continue to

be those voices for people.

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because Purposelessness really

defined as the lack of purpose.

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Justin, you're absolutely right, is the

number one indicator on if someone's gonna

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have mental health, if they're gonna be

financially free, and if they are going

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to be physically and spiritually and

emotionally well, and lack of purpose is

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a direct tie to poverty and really just

understanding, being seen, being given a

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blueprint on how to escape being shown.

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I got shown dude through a movie, right?

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Growing up in incredible, poverty

with Forrest Gump here, IQ of 75.

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Just a couple points

lower than mine being.

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shown.

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Being shown is like, listen, I made money.

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I invested into a fruit company.

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I no longer have to worry

about money ever again.

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Now he's cutting the lawn for

free and he's building churches,

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schools, and hospitals, then making

sure that Bubba's mom is retired.

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So she doesn't have working

in one's kitchen no more.

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Like, I think that's just so cool, but

you have to be given a compelling vision.

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And got lucky enough to just the exact

right time to have it explained to,

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my, hero at the time, my dad obviously.

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But I believe if you can show other people

in prime media and prime opportunities and

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prime positions of power and placement,

how they can do the exact same thing

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for all the people that follow them.

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I think that's one of the biggest keys

that are missing and that if adequately

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tapped into would revolutionize

every country and all the countries.

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But they just need a leader man.

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They, they need a leader.

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They need people to guide them.

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They need people to show

them that this is how

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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You said something earlier, right?

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It is how do we get people

to agree on, a vision right.

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How do we get them to agree on a vision?

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Like I had someone a couple

years ago, he, a grandmaster.

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So you listen to someone that

has that depth of mastery, right?

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In, anything like in TaeKwonDo,

grandma at this point.

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opened a school because he didn't

wanna ha homeschool his, his daughter

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during COVID and then like the school's

based on teaching kids how to think.

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It's kind of a Montessori model.

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It's kind of not.

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But they're doing gardening,

they're doing leadership, they're

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doing baking, they're doing all

of, they're doing, like podcasts.

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They're doing all of these different

things that teach the kids how to think,

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how to solve problems, how to do things.

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And that was a conversation

that we sat down and had.

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And it's like, that's awesome, sir,

but how do we bring this model?

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To a nation, how do we, like this is

the thing that I've never understood.

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I still don't get it.

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I'm still not great at it, Jerremy.

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So that's why, but when you have,

your whole life is built on going out.

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You gotta get the best grades, be the

best athlete to get scholarships, to

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be accepted into elite places, right?

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You're always competing.

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We compete, we compete, we compete,

and then we get out in the real world.

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And then you're an entrepreneur and

you, you're supposed to conspire

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with everyone, work with them.

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So how do we teach people at an early

age, hey, solve problems together,

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figure out how to make things and

add more value together, right?

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How do we get on the same page with that?

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Like that's, the leadership we need is

someone that's kind of speaking in those

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very simple but very powerful ideas is,

listen, we're here to help each other.

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We're not here to compete

against each other.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Love it.

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shifting gears for just a quick, a

few seconds, Justin, to talk about.

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Again, in a, good way, right?

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Paint the picture for people

since we're here and you're,

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great at painting pictures,

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Jason Sipple: Hmm.

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Jerremy Newsome: with, software

and with creation, you patented

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data sovereignty tools, right?

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You're wiring together physical

infrastructure with NVIDIA and a MD chips

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and for all that kind of good stuff.

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the people that are listening who

make, let's call it $58,000 a year, and

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they have two kids, does your own data

actually mean for them practically today?

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What would they use it for?

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What would they do with it?

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What should they be looking for

and how could they access it?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, so good question.

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I mean, look at data as an asset, right?

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We, we just have no way to scale,

or weigh that asset right now.

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We don't have a way to

classify what that data is.

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Who owns the data?

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Once we figure out a way

to tax tax it, right?

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Then there'll be a, way you could

have it on a balance sheet, which

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eventually will probably happen.

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Like what is a Joe Rogan episode worth

in terms of the data, that podcast,

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if I were to put it on my balance

sheet, how, is it worth millions?

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Is it worth a hundred million?

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There's a monetary value to that, right?

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Does Joe Rogan own that data or does

Spotify and YouTube own that data?

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who, owns all the re-shares of that data?

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Right.

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Who, owns the ads?

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that were made, that were

played in between that podcast?

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So like, having ownership of your

data, and also like people are.

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Have a little misconception when

using ai, if you're using like one of

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these frontier models, the chat GBTs,

the CLOs, you're using their API.

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So they're learning and seeing

all of your data and information.

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If you have your own computer or server

that's running your own open source,

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large language model, say on o Lama

or in your terminal, on your computer,

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then you have control over your data.

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so there's different ways to look at it,

and I think people in the future will

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be able to monetize because eventually

these social media companies won't be

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able to just mine your data for free.

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They're gonna have to probably

pay you for it, for your interest,

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like all the things you like.

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I don't know if you know how

sophisticated some of these algorithms

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are on, meta on X, like it's

tracking how long you look at it.

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It's taking pictures of your eyes, your

retinas, like where you look at the

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video, like where you touch on the screen.

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Like, there's so many different

factors that these companies, they're

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building these massive profiles on you

and NN none of us really understand

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how much data they're collecting

and they're able to predict trends.

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I heard an interesting story from

a friend, and I can't say who he

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is, but I could say the story.

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So he was working at a major, food

company, one of the ones that has grocery

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stores nationwide and the working in

the data science division for them and

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building models, to basically advertise

certain products to their customers.

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So they had created a model that had

predicted that this girl would be

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pregnant, who happened to be 17, like

120 days before she was pregnant.

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So they advertised prenatal vitamins

and all these pregnancy products

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120 days before she found out.

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And the dad found out and they sued the

company, but come to find out, not in

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a few months later, she was pregnant.

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Dave Conley: Hmm.

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Justin Meyers: So they lost the case.

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So, is that accurate?

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Jerremy Newsome: Crazy.

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Crazy.

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And that What, the one movie on

this, Justin, what's the name of it?

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Do you remember?

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It's on Netflix.

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It's incredible.

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Of course, I don't

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Justin Meyers: Which one?

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Jerremy Newsome: It's, the one

about like the, social media

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companies and like Exactly.

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They're explaining almost the

algorithmic aspects of what you're

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talking about, like using your eyes,

how long you hover over something, where

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your thumb is placed on the screen.

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All those things are being tracked always.

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Anyway.

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Justin Meyers: and as well.

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Jerremy Newsome: It's a wild, uh,

documentary on, Netflix, Dave.

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Crazy.

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Dave Conley: Well, let's back

up a little bit because helped

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create the consumer internet.

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And the first thing that we did, and

the first thing that we knew how to

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do was to track a bunch of stuff.

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tech side, we did it so we could hunt

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user experiences for, our customers.

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model to advertising.

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they said, Hey, what are you tracking?

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we were tracking down to the mouse,

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I can't even imagine what it

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talking about owning your own data.

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After that job, I actually went into the,

administration and they, called a bunch

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the government up to, the White House.

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things that the, White House could

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great if we owned our own data.

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way too valuable to, business.

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Is this.

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Justin Meyers: Right.

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Is anything real?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Right.

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There's no, there is no spoon.

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There is no spoon.

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That's

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Jason Sipple: Come on.

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You tell, tell me you don't

feel that sometimes though.

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listen to Justin and I was like, wow.

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I was thinking, wow, like this.

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gets weirder and weirder.

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Like you're, like, you're talking

about the models of Claude or

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GPT and, you know, you have to

tell it like, don't be so nice.

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Like Jerremy, we like, that's

one of our love languages.

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Tell, me how great I am.

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And so everything you say is

like, oh, that's a great idea.

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Is it really?

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Jerremy Newsome: Like

Claude, it kind of sucks.

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It's a terrible idea.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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that

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Justin Meyers: Completely incompatible.

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incompatible, but it sounds great.

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Jerremy Newsome: yeah,

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: yeah.

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There's a hilarious dude right now who's

doing Chad CPT videos on Instagram,

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and he'll talk to the Chad CPT and

he'll like, his eyes will be closed and

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he'll ask him like, why can't I see?

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it's an amazing satire.

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Justin, I have a question

about what you talked about.

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'cause I don't understand this part.

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Just clear it up for me.

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When you say you can put it on the balance

sheet, what are you referring to exactly?

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putting on the balance sheet?

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analogy of the Joe Rogan podcast, like

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how do we put a monetary, like, can Joe

Rogan go get a loan against that asset?

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Jerremy Newsome: And the asset

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Justin Meyers: you, go

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Jerremy Newsome: his social reach

and the power that it holds.

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Right.

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The monetary optimization possibilities.

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, absolutely.

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All the advertising, like

how much is, like 15 seconds

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in between, segments worth.

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So it's gonna come down to like putting

that on like an NFT, like a blockchain

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receipt and then like tokenizing it.

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be able to tokenize stuff without

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using the blockchain, do you think?

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blockchain, we think it's kind of dumb.

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Justin Meyers: So the, the blockchain

and crypto are 2D separate things.

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It's just the actual technology of like

having an immutable record and then like

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being able to, fractionalize the assets.

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system hypothetically saying,

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okay, based on a Joe Rogan episode

or a PBD episode with this guest,

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this is the monetary value, right?

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like a REIT or something like that, and

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like sell shares of that episode because

you, you now have ownership of that and

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maybe you can now advertise, et cetera.

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is a monetary value.

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the government's behind, so we

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don't know how to put a, actual

figure to that asset dollar value.

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it's an intangible one.

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Yeah, that's, okay.

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It's good to think about.

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I think it's really, interesting.

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'cause there's, there's ways to do

that now, but to your point, it's

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gotta be a little bit more verified,

especially from a bank standpoint.

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Justin Meyers: Mm-hmm.

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Alex: Justin lays open a 17-year-old's

pregnancy predicted 120 days

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early, while Dave reveals data

ownership was rigged from day one.

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But the harder reckoning

circles closer—if no one owns

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themselves, who stands to lose?

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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