Responsible Gun Ownership Starts With Us (Full)

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Every year over 100 million Americans keep a gun at

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home for one simple reason, to

protect the people they love most.

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From the frontier to the farm.

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Guns have been part of American

life for generations passed down

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with grandpa's stories, used to put

food on the table and kept close

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when the night gets quiet for them.

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It's not politics, it's dad

teaching his kids to shoot safely.

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It's a family knowing they're

covered on a dark country road.

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It's peace of mind that

no headline can take away.

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I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom with my

co-host Dave Conley, and this is another

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episode of Solving America's Problems.

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Today we are sitting down with two

gun right advocates who walk and

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talk that way every single day.

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My good friend Richie, devoted husband

Rodeo, regular proud dad of three barrel

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racing kids, and a Christian entrepreneur

whose faith and family come first.

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Always.

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And then we have Josiah Graves, serial

entrepreneur, sales leader, team builder,

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and content creator who runs businesses

and still makes time to stand up for

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the rights that keep good people safe.

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Richie Josiah, welcome to the show.

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Josiah: Thanks for having us.

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Jerremy: Yeah, it's gonna be incredible.

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Love that both of you reached out.

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I posted something on Facebook.

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I was like, who wants to talk about guns?

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And you were the first two that said yes.

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And here we are.

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It's gonna be really great.

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So here's what we'll do.

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A open, broad question for both of you and

I'll, Richie, let's have you start first.

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What's the very first

memory you have of a gun?

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Who was there and what did it

mean to you in that moment?

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Richie: I would say really

young, probably three or four.

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I've been hunting with my dad.

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Since I was in diapers.

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I do know that, but I

don't really remember it.

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I would say the first time I ever

shot a gun, I was probably four.

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I actually still have this gun.

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Your introduction literally

made me think of it.

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My grandfather carried a little 22

pistol in his truck and the day he let me

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shoot it, I thought I was on cloud nine.

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We were just shooting

cans in the hunting woods.

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And when he passed away, I got my

pick of the litter of all of his guns,

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and that was the only gun I wanted.

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Because it just reminded me of him.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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I love that.

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And by the way, when you say

hunting, you gotta put a T in

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it for the rest of the episode.

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No, I'm kidding.

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Richie: Sorry, accent,

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Jerremy: No, just kidding.

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Josiah, what about you, man?

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What's your first memory of a gun?

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Josiah: I think my earliest

memory was also with my dad.

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My dad grew up on a farm and so

he was one of those kids that was

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given a gun out of necessity, for

use around the farm at a young age.

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And I think I was probably

between four and five.

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And one night it, I could just tell

he was in one of those I'm gonna

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show my son something cool moods.

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And he had never pulled it out.

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And he took out his 20 gauge shotgun

Remington shot gun that he grew up with

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and showed me, he went through the whole

process of cleaning it and, oiling it.

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And I was I was enamored.

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This was like one of the coolest things.

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And it would be probably another

10 years before I actually ever had

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the opportunity to fire that gun.

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But that definitely stuck

with me as a young boy.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Yeah, What's your strong,

great memories, right?

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It's things.

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that really root you into the safety

of that moment, which makes us think

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of a good question for me, I think.

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Tell us a moment.

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When having a gun actually

made you feel safer?

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Not in theory, like not that

something could have happened,

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but in your physical body.

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Richie: Do you want me to go first.

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Jerremy: Go for it.

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Sure.

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Richie: The first instance so I

have a license to carry before

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Florida, made it open to carry state.

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I was at a gas station

one night getting gas.

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It's probably 10 or 11 o'clock, and

I got approached by a very large man,

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that cornered me, getting out of my

vehicle, so I was essentially trapped.

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Couldn't get out couldn't get by him.

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And I'll never forget this.

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he was Hawking CDs and it was rap CDs.

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And he said, you need to buy my cd.

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And I said, look man, I

don't wanna buy your cd.

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And he's asking for five bucks, and I

said, do I look like the person that

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wants to, listen to that kind of, music?

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And I said I don't have any,

need for it, don't want it.

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But I always keep a pistol in my truck,

everywhere I go and when I opened the door

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enough to where I, could face him, he saw

the pistol, and my hand was right by it.

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I never had to pull it.

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I don't ever, intend to pull it.

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I hope I never have to.

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When he saw that it made him

enough aware of the situation that

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he backed up and left me alone.

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That just solidified that.

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had I not had that, I

can tell you right now.

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I'd like to consider myself a

pretty big dude myself, six two,

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but I couldn't have stopped him.

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He's probably three 50 pounds.

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This man was massive

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Jerremy: Or you would've had $5 less.

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Richie: Or a wallet, whatever.

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I don't know what he was after

I might've had a crappy, cd.

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I have

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Dave: You have a CD player?

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Richie: Back then I did

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Dave: Okay.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Richie: Was only probably 20 I may have

been 25 at the time and that's the first

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real instance that I've actually like.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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This is real for one.

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And.

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It can happen any anytime,

anywhere, any place.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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All right.

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Josiah, what about you?

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Josiah: Yeah.

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I think it was in 2015 I also am, have

a concealed carry permit and I was it

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was actually with my dad, funny enough.

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And just me and him were on a trip

and we were staying at like an

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Airbnb and there were some I'm not

gonna name names, but there were

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some extended family members there.

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And one of 'em it was just

me and my dad at the house.

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We were cooking dinner and this guy came,

back to the house and I don't know what he

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was angry at my dad about, but it was bad.

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It was like evil.

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He was.

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Very much ratcheting the

temperature of the situation up.

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And my dad is not a fighter, and I

knew, I, was like, this guy is about

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to like, knock my dad out or worse.

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I was not in the room.

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I was sitting out on the patio

and there was a glass sliding door

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between where this altercation was

going on and where I was sitting.

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I was place was on the lake and I

was actually rigging up a a fishing

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rod to do some night fishing.

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And I was listening to what was

going on, hyper aware, and it

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was getting worse and worse.

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And I reached back behind me and I

clicked the safety off on my pistol.

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Fully prepared to if this person

violently attacked my dad, like it

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sounded could happen to defend him.

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And thank goodness I didn't have

to, it didn't get to that point.

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That person stormed off outta the room.

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Still in a rage.

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But nothing happened in that moment.

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And obviously my dad and I

were both pretty shaken and

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we got outta there that night.

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But I think that was the first time

that I've ever actually clicked

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the safety off on my carry gun.

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It was very real.

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And not something I ever wanna

experience again, but also very

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thankful that I was in a position to

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Protect someone who may not have

been able to protect themselves.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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And so for both of you, at some

point you said the word protection.

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When you think about guns today,

for you personally, for people that

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you know, for friends, do you feel

like it's more about protection?

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Or is it more passing down traditions?

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Is it the sport of shooting or hunting,

or is it something else entirely?

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Josiah: For me, it's all of those things.

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It to me, none of those

things are mutually exclusive.

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I think the tradition is important.

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Obviously I, stand on my faith as a

Christian and very much believe in the,

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role that I feel like I was given as

a, father and a husband, to protect my

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family but also when I'm out in the world

to protect people who, are around me who

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may not be able to protect themselves.

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So I do feel like that is a God-given,

responsibility to to humans in general,

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but especially to us as God-fearing men.

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But absolutely the tradition of

hunting, people being connected to

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their, to where their food comes from

I think is more important than ever

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nowadays, and I think everything you

mentioned there, Jerremy is important.

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I wouldn't say any one of those

things is more important other.

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Jerremy: Totally.

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Rich, what about you buddy?

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Richie: Yeah.

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Very well said.

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I don't think I could say that any better.

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I, there's a huge emphasis

on tradition in my family.

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I have three daughters.

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They're now six 13 and three and my

13-year-old killed her first buck.

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This past year.

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That was probably one of the coolest

things I've ever witnessed and, having

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the conversation with her about the

tradition of this and going through the

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tradition of, the blooding phase where

put a little blood on her face, and

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having the conversation about this is

where your foods come, so you appreciate

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the deer and you appreciate what you

just did to provide for our family and

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how important it is to understand that

taking a life is not it's not something

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you do just willy-nilly I guess you would

say and then starting my now 6-year-old

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last year so she would've been five we

went out shooting for the first time

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and I'm sitting there teaching her about

firearms and teaching her how to properly

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hold the firearm shoot the firearm, and

it's, it's a little 22 so it's not that

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crazy And she just thought that was.

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That was the best time to her it's having

fun with dad To me it's instilling those

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traditions that I was raised up on and

learning from the get go 'cause I grew

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up in a gun store my dad owned a gun

store for 30 years first interaction

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with a gun was probably when I was

one just being in dad's store now my

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three-year-old is asking me when can

she start shooting so there's all these

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things that coming together I feel that

is major tradition that I think is lost

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or losing in a lot of families part of

it being access it gets hard to get to

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a range There's not ranges everywhere.

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I was blessed to grow up on property so

we go out in our backyard to shoot when I

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was eight nine years old, it was okay for

me to walk around with a shotgun and shoot

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doves out of the trees knowing whatever I

shot I had to eat I was home alone doing

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it nowadays there's no telling what would

happen if a kid was doing that but it is

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something that is very instilled in me

and I want to instill it in my kids from

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the protection side I always think my

kids come first and my wife comes first

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if my mind is not thinking that way I'm

very defensive minded anyway my wife knows

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we go to a restaurant i'm not sitting my

back to the door I will not do it and she

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knows She'll sit down and I'll look at

her and she's like, all right, I'll move.

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And sometimes it's sheer accident,

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Dave: She can sit with

her back to the door.

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Richie: Exactly I'm always aware and I'm

always looking because we don't live in

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the same world we lived in when I was 15

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Dave: Yeah.

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Richie: So with kids with wives and like

what Josiah said I don't expect my wife

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to be able to fend something off but if

I'm there, I'm going to do my best to

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do so it's very much what he said it's

tradition, It's protection it's family

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values it's learning the right way

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Jerremy: love it.

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Beautiful.

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Gentlemen, here's a fun one for you.

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Let's go with Richie first.

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Richie, what's the hardest part of

owning guns that People who do not

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own guns would never guess or assume.

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And just to give you some

ideas, is it the maintenance?

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Is it training time?

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Is it mental weight?

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Do you feel judged?

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What does that look like or feel

like regarding the hardest part

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of owning a gun, if there is.

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Richie: Training is probably the hardest

and most valuable anybody can really go

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buy a gun but if you're not trained on

it properly it can be dangerous it is

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very dangerous i've had several friends

that call me and say, Hey, I wanna buy

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my first gun I wanna Just keep it in a

lockbox at the house for protection and

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the first thing I say is okay, come over

to the house and we'll shoot all My guns

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see which one you like see which one fits

good for you but then I'm gonna teach

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you the ins and out of this gun how to

properly break it down to clean it safely

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so that you don't shoot yourself in the

leg or shoot one through the ceiling.

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Which I have seen all of these things

happen and and there is a mental hurdle

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in my head sometimes of yes I'm a gun

owner and I'm very proud of being a gun

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owner but as dave and I were discussing

earlier like I don't want to deal

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with some crazy person that doesn't

agree with me or my ideology And the

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next thing you know I've gotta hear it

for six months and they're making my

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social media hell and they're trying

to contact everybody you keep it quiet.

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I'm not a boastful gun owner but

anybody that knows me knows there's

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probably a lot of firearms at my

house so I guess that would be it

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Love it.

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Thank you.

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Josiah, what about you bud?

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What's the hardest part of owning a gun?

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Josiah: And not buying more guns

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Richie: Very true.

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Dave: So, it's a habit really.

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I need another gun.

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Josiah: Yeah it really.

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Once you develop that love, and,

it's not a cheap hobby, and I'm

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giving this, somewhat comical

answer because what Richie said was

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really absolutely the right answer.

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I wanna make sure that everybody

understands that just possessing a

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firearm is not enough You have to

train and not just train, but you

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have to train under stress because

if you're ever in a situation where

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your safety or your life or the life

of someone else hangs in the balance,

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your adrenaline's gonna be dumping,

your heart rate is gonna be thumping.

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Right?

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And to be able to make snap

decisions wisely with a tool in

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your possession that can be the

difference between life or death.

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You have to train for that.

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And If you have not trained for that your

unpreparedness is going to show up in a

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way that you never could have anticipated

so I wanna make sure everybody listening

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understands that what Richie just said

is absolutely the right answer I just I

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was like all right since he took that off

the table we'll go the fun route, right

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But that really is once you get into the

sport the hobby whatever you wanna call

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it there's all kinds of different firearms

for all kinds of different purposes.

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And it really is fun once you know what

you're doing, you know, how to operate

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them correctly it really can be a lot of

fun And it is, a big challenge to not just

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spend all the money that you have on guns.

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I have a shirt.

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I thought about wearing it this

morning, but it's too cold.

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But the shirt says money can't buy

happiness, but it can buy guns.

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And that's pretty much the same thing.

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Jerremy: I that's a

real valid point, right?

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The expense of guns, they're expensive.

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So if you wanna buy more buckle up right?

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Josiah: And ammo, too.

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Jerremy: Coins.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Here's a question then that I'm sure

a lot of our listeners who do not own

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guns are really excited to hear about.

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we've mentioned traditions, we've

mentioned passing all of this down

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when kids, grandkids, friends,

other family members are in the

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house, which will be happening

soon as we approach Thanksgiving.

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How do you handle keeping guns

both safe and then also ready?

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What does that physically look like?

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Are they actually in a safe,

are they somewhere else?

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Richie mentioned it briefly, but we would

just love for you guys to walk us through.

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What that looks like.

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Richie: So i approach this from two

different standpoints, and I'll start

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with the first with my kids my kids know

that if they touch a firearm without dad

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present that's their ass There's no way

around it and it goes back to how did you

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learn as a toddler not to put your finger

in the light socket You were told you were

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explained you didn't learn by sticking

it in there and shocking the piss outta

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yourself so I treat guns the same exact

Way now they're not just laying around

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I have every firearm locked up a second

access away that only I can get into or

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my wife can get into so it doesn't bother

me there can be a thousand people at

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my house They can't get to my firearms

that's not a problem for me and as my

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kids got older when they were little i'd

hide 'em on top of the closet where they

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can't reach And as they've gotten older

I was like okay they need to be put in

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a box They're getting, they can climb

now they can do all those things and I

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want quicker access I can't have one in

my nightstand drawer I would never do

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that because that's easy to get to but

every firearm I have is either in a gun

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safe or a lockbox, like one's attached

to my bed and I have a fingerprint,

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I have a button or I have a passcode.

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So I have three different options To

get into that in under a second and so

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it doesn't really bother me it doesn't

scare me but it goes back to I guess you

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would call it the training or mentoring

of firearms like I was taught from a very

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young age a firearm can kill you A firearm

can hurt you if you touch this without

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your father or your grandfather present

you are gonna get your tail tore up no

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questions asked and that was the rule

set and that was what was followed and I

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knew I didn't want that tail whipping so

I never tempted it my kids are the same

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way they want to go shoot and there's been

countless times where I'll open the gun

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safe and I'm going in to get something

and they walk up and I just look at em and

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they're like they're looking at me like

can I do it I'm like nope we're not doing

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And they back up and it's just ingrained

in em So they know it's not to say it

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couldn't happen, but they just know.

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Dave: So

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Richie: other way

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Dave: Yeah, you're talking

about good parenting.

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How about somebody who comes into your

house that may not be familiar with guns?

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Do let 'em know?

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Or what happens?

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Particularly?

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Yeah, like I think what Jerremy was

saying, it's like holidays are coming up.

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You might have all sorts

of folks in your house.

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Richie: I'm not gonna advertise

it they can't get to 'em.

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Them.

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Okay.

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It's not Yeah i'm not advertising it I'm

not hey let's go look at the guns unless

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if I got a collector's gun or something

cool and the guys are wanting to look at

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stuff like that and we're talking guns

sure but that's just us walking over there

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opening up, and then I lock it back like

I'm not leaving it open Or I don't even

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have guns on display like a mantelpiece

I would love an old side by side rabbit

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or shotgun to hang over the mantle But

even that I it's unnecessary in my opinion

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Dave: How about you, Josiah?

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Josiah: Yeah totally agree with what Rich

said on the training the kids part that's

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how I've always done it in my house.

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Seeing a gun in my house for my kids is

not weird so there's no curiosity there

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and I think that's the key if the kids

have been taught that responsibility

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and they've been taught that healthy

respect, I can, if I'm working on a

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rifle or cleaning guns or something like

that I've done Kind of experiments where

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I've left them out on the counter for an

afternoon and stuff like that Obviously

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with no ammo near them or anything like

that and all of my kids just ignore them.

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It's like seeing a cup on the counter

or something like that because they've

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been brought up around them The danger

comes in when you've got a curious kid

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who's trying to, they're learning they're

figuring out the world around them

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and they never have been around a real

firearm They've never been around a real

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firearm and they see one laying somewhere.

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That's where it's dangerous like was

saying, I never have to worry about that

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with my kids cause they've been taught

a healthy respect And I also, a couple

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of times when they were too young, took

them out with me shooting and let them

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experience the loud Concussive noises

that these things make, and all you

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really have to do once is shoot an apple

or a watermelon or something like that

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and say See what that just did right?

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Like that is what will happen

to you or me if we're on the

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business end of this thing.

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So this is why these rules that I'm

teaching you are so important, right?

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And that sticks with the kid,

especially if you teach 'em young.

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So never had a problem with

the kids again it's normal, and

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they have a healthy respect and

they've been taught those things.

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As far as guests coming into the

house, no, you could easily be

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in my house for a weekend and

have no idea there's guns here.

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Richie said it's not advertised unless

something went down No one would ever know

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And if I wanna show a buddy a build

that I did or something like that, they

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don't go with me to where it's stored

I get it out, and I bring it out into

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the living room or the dining room

or whatever, check it out, whatever.

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And then I go and

disappear and put it away.

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So I'm never leading, guests

in my house to directly where

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things are stored either.

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There's other layers to that too

obviously for tactical, quick response

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time sake you want to have some things

that do have a round in the chamber but

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you want that to be ideally a double

action firearm, something that a young

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kid couldn't pull that first trigger

pole, it's 12 pound trigger pole.

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They wouldn't be able to pull it Something

with a lighter trigger pole or a single

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action you do not want to keep in the

chamber So you wanna make those kind

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of tactical decisions as well as far as

what your quick response time guns are

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and kind of balance that with safety,

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Jerremy: Love that.

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Thank you.

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So what's the biggest myth

about gun owners that drive you

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nuts every time you hear it?

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Josiah.

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Josiah: That we're all a bunch of ignorant

rednecks . It's just not true if anybody

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who doesn't know me, if you'd just known

me in the business world or whatever,

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one of the many companies that I've been

part of, my professional careers have

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spanned the insurance space the poker

space I'm now, in the finance space I

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have a company in the food space, if

anybody just knew me professionally None

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of that stuff screams that stereotype

that's probably biggest thing that,

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drives me nuts, is that stereotype.

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there's a lot of very smart very

successful people who also have decided

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to make it a part of their life skills

to be up on firearms and be prepared and

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responsible and skilled in that area.

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Dave: So, Josiah I'm curious

why you believe that?

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Meaning, where, have you heard that?

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Where does that come from?

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is it something you've been

called or where does this

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ignorant redneck come from?

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Josiah: It's undertones in the media

the mainstream media that definitely

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play a role in a lot of things these

days And then also social media where

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everybody's a keyboard warrior, right?

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And you got all these people who

they think that gun culture is one

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thing and they've never seen or

experienced any of it for real.

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And what's portrayed in

movies, feeds that a lot too.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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Richie, what about you, ma'am?

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What's the biggest myth about

gun owners that drives you

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nuts every time you hear it?

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Richie: That one would probably

be the biggest I guess this is

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controversial but the guns kill people

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There's somebody pulling that trigger so

it's very rare that just a gun goes off

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sitting on the counter and shoot somebody.

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If ever So there is an action being

done if you're physically trying to kill

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somebody with a firearm and I think the

gun is getting the blame and then to

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Josiah's point everybody thinks it's

some dumb redneck And I have been called

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dumb redneck I'm from a very small town

in North Florida where redneck is not

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really even that bad of a term to us

it's just a term it's what you call your

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: 00:25:45

cousin on a Friday night but yeah like

there's got to be an action involved

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: 00:25:53

so going to The guns kill people and

yes the tool can kill someone so can a

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Shovel so can a knife so can a car so

can a doctor right Like all those things

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have happened, but they don't say the

needle killed em so we've gotta outlaw

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: 00:26:09

needles They immediately turn to the gun

versus the person or whoever it is but

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Jerremy: Yeah Great point.

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So to talk about this in a

little bit of a deeper and more.

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poignant discussion.

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: 00:26:26

Dave and I were doing some really

fascinating research around guns and

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: 00:26:29

gun death, and I'd love to hear from

both of you potentially a solution

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: 00:26:35

or just an idea or a thought on this.

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: 00:26:37

13 veterans will take their

own life today with a gun.

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: 00:26:42

That's what we found out, right?

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: 00:26:43

There are 60 ish thousand gun

deaths every year in the us and.

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: 00:26:50

Over 60% of those deaths are suicide.

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And of the suicide deaths, the majority

of those suicide deaths are veterans.

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: 00:27:03

So if a buddy who you knew was a vet was

going through a really dark stretch, how

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: 00:27:09

do you bring up the idea or the thought,

of locking up a gun how do you make them?

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: 00:27:16

Feel safe without making it

feel weird around the gun

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: 00:27:19

specifically, or potentially a

discussion about mental health.

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: 00:27:23

Whoever wants to take that stab first.

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: 00:27:26

Richie: Go ahead.

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: 00:27:26

Josiah: Okay cool.

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So the this is a perfect follow up

question to what Richie just said this

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: 00:27:34

is one of those conversations where

we're immediately equating suicides to.

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: 00:27:42

The availability of guns, which is

to come to the conclusion that those

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: 00:27:48

suicides would not happen if that

person did not have access to a firearm.

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: 00:27:54

And I personally believe that is a huge

logical fallacy how many other suicides

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happen that aren't tied to a gun right

If someone has made the decision that

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: 00:28:04

they want to end their own life, they

don't need a gun to do it, but for

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: 00:28:09

some reason, the only tool that people

have ever used to do that, that we're

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: 00:28:16

actually coming after is the gun.

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: 00:28:18

Nobody's coming after bedsheets.

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: 00:28:22

Nobody's coming after pills, right?

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: 00:28:26

Nobody's coming after

knives, razor blades, right?

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: 00:28:29

the problem is not there was a gun

there, and that's what made them

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: 00:28:33

suicidal The problem is that they were

suicidal in the first place, right.

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: 00:28:40

So again, this is the only issue

that I'm personally aware of I don't

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: 00:28:45

wanna speak too much in absolutes

but this is the only issue that I'm

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: 00:28:49

aware of where we go for the tool

used instead of the root cause, right?

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: 00:28:58

The root cause is that you've got,

in your example, Jerremy, a veteran

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: 00:29:04

who wants to take their own life, the

gun being there or not being there,

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: 00:29:10

doesn't make them not suicidal.

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: 00:29:13

And if they don't have a gun

available to do it with, and

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: 00:29:15

they get to the point where they

are ready to pull the proverbial

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: 00:29:19

trigger on that decision, there's a

litany of ways that they can do it.

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: 00:29:25

Right?

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: 00:29:25

So, let's solve the problem of why are

so many veterans suicidal instead of

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: 00:29:32

misdirecting the whole conversation to,

like Jerremy said an inanimate object

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: 00:29:38

that can't do anything on its own,

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: 00:29:41

Richie: I couldn't have said that any

better, but in preparation for this

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: 00:29:44

last night my next door neighbor I was

over at his house and he's ex-military.

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: 00:29:50

And I asked him I said Hey I'm going on

this podcast we're gonna talk about guns

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: 00:29:55

And so I was asking I said how long were

you in the military for And he told me

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: 00:29:59

and I said did you enjoy it And He said

yeah I enjoyed it and he said I didn't

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: 00:30:02

enjoy it when I got home and I said why

And he said because I was burying all

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: 00:30:07

my buddies that killed themselves and

I said it's funny you say that because

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: 00:30:14

part of this conversation that we're

having is based around suicide and how

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guns are a tool for suicide and how

a lot of veterans it's affected by.

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: 00:30:24

And his first response were

veterans know that if you've made

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: 00:30:29

that decision what's the most

powerful tool to use typically a gun

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: 00:30:34

However, how many of em And he

goes I would love to see it.

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: 00:30:38

And I've tried to do research and find it

And there's not really much research on

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there we're already diagnosed with some

sort of mental illness how many of them

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: 00:30:49

were on some sort of mental depression

drug or whatever that could have been

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: 00:30:59

help or Not helping I guess hurting the

situation even more cause We hear about

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: 00:31:06

all these depression drugs and I'm not a

medical doctor and I don't know Diddley

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: 00:31:10

squad about most of that stuff or the

right terms to use for em But what I do

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: 00:31:15

know is i've seen close people have to

take these types of drugs and they it's

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: 00:31:21

almost like they get worse you can't

hardly be around em They can't hold a

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: 00:31:25

conversation They're always down in the

dumps and they're diagnosed mentally ill

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: 00:31:31

or with depression or anxiety or whatever

And the drug they're taking seems to be

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: 00:31:37

making them worse and it goes to Josiah's

point we are blaming the tool We're over

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: 00:31:45

we're missing the bigger issue and when

I was looking at y'all's stats that y'all

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sent out just the quick one sheeter I did

an overlay and it said this was a hard

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one to swallow because it's against what

I would think in my head was as population

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: 00:32:05

grows gun ownership grew so suicide rates,

right so I did an overlay social media

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and overlay that with suicide rates.

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: 00:32:15

And it's like for so are we

blaming social media or are we

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: 00:32:19

only blaming the gun and that?

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Dave: a lot of people blame both,

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Richie: Sure

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Dave: Fair enough.

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Let's.

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Richie: But are they trying

to get rid of social media the

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same way they are with guns

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: 00:32:32

Josiah: No.

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Dave: We have seen like a lot of people,

and certainly politicals both sides.

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: 00:32:36

This in the last six, seven years I have

gone down the road of a lot of censorship.

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: 00:32:42

And that does happen on social media.

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: 00:32:44

And I think, I hear you on

the suicides and I think that

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is definitely, like I get it.

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: 00:32:49

Like we have struggling and, my answer

is let's stop invading other countries.

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: 00:32:55

Let's extend this a little bit.

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: 00:32:57

Richie, Josiah you lock up your guns and

almost 400,000 guns every year stolen.

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: 00:33:05

And those guns are used to kill.

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Young men killing each other.

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: 00:33:10

That's straight up street crime.

533

: 00:33:13

Richie: But are we

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: 00:33:13

Dave: I have a hard time thinking

that these kids would just revert

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: 00:33:16

to use knives, like they're not

gonna be stealing bedsheets and

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pills in order to kill each other.

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: 00:33:21

So help me reconcile, our thinking about

suicide and also with guns, fuel and

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: 00:33:28

violence in our streets that aren't rural.

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: 00:33:30

They're not suburban.

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: 00:33:31

These are downtown cities.

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: 00:33:33

Josiah: Yeah.

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: 00:33:34

so you just hit on another kind of buzz

word we'll call it that the buzz phrase

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: 00:33:39

that the mainstream media use a lot which

is that these guns are fueling violence

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: 00:33:44

on our streets the guns are not fueling

the violence on the streets something else

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: 00:33:49

has caused that violence on the streets

not The guns and we talked about this

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: 00:33:55

when we spoke the other day I am a big

believer in being consistent across the

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: 00:34:01

board, which means if You believe in a

principle or a trail of logic or what have

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: 00:34:07

you over here, you also have to believe

that same logic as it pertains over here.

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: 00:34:13

You have to be consistent.

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: 00:34:16

Right?

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And I just don't believe in this

idea that, the guns themselves are

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: 00:34:22

fueling the violence on the streets.

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: 00:34:24

The violence on the streets

is fueled by something else.

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: 00:34:28

and I think the expectation that

there will ever not be evil in

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: 00:34:33

this world is where a lot of the

fallacies in this conversation start.

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: 00:34:39

There is always going to be evil.

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: 00:34:42

and the best thing that

we can do as good people.

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: 00:34:45

Is, make it as dangerous and as risky as

possible for those who may want to do evil

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: 00:34:53

so that they think and rethink, right?

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I'll give You an example.

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: 00:34:57

Really good friend of mine know

somebody who has a family member that

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: 00:35:01

went to Japan recently and they said,

your stuff is so safe in Japan, you

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: 00:35:08

could leave a $500 pair of sunglasses

sitting on a table at a restaurant.

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: 00:35:12

Come back three hours

later and they'll be there.

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: 00:35:15

And I was like, wow, that's incredible

I live in a pretty nice area in Middle

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: 00:35:20

Tennessee And I'm like I don't know that

we could do that here and he said yeah,

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: 00:35:24

it's because over there if you steal

they'll cut your hand off right so the

568

: 00:35:30

penalty for stealing is high enough where

people are just like, you know what?

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: 00:35:35

My hand.

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: 00:35:36

Ain't worth that $500

pair of sunglasses, right?

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: 00:35:40

It's something that the whole

culture has agreed upon where it

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: 00:35:44

is now too costly and too expensive

to me as a person to risk that.

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: 00:35:49

So there's repercussions.

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: 00:35:51

So there's always going to be evil in the

world, and if we take all the guns away

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: 00:35:55

from people who are law abiding citizens,

which is what classifies the vast majority

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: 00:36:01

of gun owners, right Hundreds of millions

of guns are owned privately in this

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: 00:36:06

country trillions of rounds If we were

a problem you'd know about it right?

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: 00:36:12

You'd know about it.

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: 00:36:13

That's a large force that is a

large heavily armed force that

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: 00:36:19

sits silently every day, right?

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: 00:36:22

So again, it's this belief that by taking

weapons away from all of those people

582

: 00:36:30

that we would somehow cut down, on the

violence in the streets, that's being done

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: 00:36:35

by people who already do not care about

the law is again, it's not consistent.

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: 00:36:43

Richie: Yeah, I agree.

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: 00:36:44

Especially so in doing some just quick

research and the Japan thing is a perfect

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: 00:36:53

example, part of the stats that you

brought up were how disproportionately

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affects black people in urban areas I

just did a quick stat of how many firearm

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: 00:37:06

homicides have prior arrest records in

illinois nearly 80 had a prior arrest

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: 00:37:14

record Over 55 had a prior conviction

and 32 had a prior incarceration what was

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: 00:37:23

the stabbing on The bus or the train How

many times had that person been arrested

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: 00:37:30

The point behind it is it's like a slap

on the hand versus you're gonna lose

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: 00:37:35

your hand if the convictions for this

type of stuff actually stuck and meant

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: 00:37:42

something you may actually see some better

results for what you're looking for,

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: 00:37:47

Josiah: that's actually a great example

I'm glad you brought that up of what I'm

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: 00:37:51

talking about because somebody correct me

if I'm wrong but given those rap sheets

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: 00:37:57

those are probably already people who were

not legally allowed to possess a firearm

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: 00:38:03

Richie: correct

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: 00:38:05

Josiah: So those are people who were

already barred by the law from possessing

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: 00:38:09

a firearm that would go on to visit some

kind of violence on someone with a firearm

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: 00:38:15

So that right there goes to show exactly

our point here, making them illegal is

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: 00:38:21

not going to stop the people who are doing

that because it's already illegal for,

602

: 00:38:27

what did you say, 80% of those cases.

603

: 00:38:31

Richie: Yep.

604

: 00:38:31

And another just a major stat, and

it's trivial, but cocaine's illegal,

605

: 00:38:36

fentanyl's illegal, heroin's illegal.

606

: 00:38:39

We have a massive epidemic.

607

: 00:38:41

Josiah: That's right.

608

: 00:38:42

Richie: So the idea of making guns

illegal and taking 'em away from everybody

609

: 00:38:47

doesn't mean that you can't get them?

610

: 00:38:49

Josiah: No.

611

: 00:38:50

Jerremy: Yeah And that's something

that I brought up in, previous

612

: 00:38:52

episodes is, I think to Josiah's

point, negative, evil, angry people are

613

: 00:38:56

gonna do negative, evil, angry things.

614

: 00:38:59

And if we lived in a world snap of

our finger, guns never were invented.

615

: 00:39:05

Would murder be zero?

616

: 00:39:07

And obviously the answer

is absolutely not.

617

: 00:39:09

Murder's gonna happen with

shovels, with anything.

618

: 00:39:12

If someone's very angry,

very frustrated, very mad.

619

: 00:39:16

That will still happen.

620

: 00:39:19

Richie: Look at the rate, and I would

love to know how many serial killers use

621

: 00:39:22

guns you see all these true crime stories

these Netflix documentaries on this serial

622

: 00:39:29

killer or that serial killer It's very

rarely guns Not saying that they don't

623

: 00:39:33

but and I don't know I haven't looked

It up, but I'd be interested to know it

624

: 00:39:38

that's pure evil in its finest right there

625

: 00:39:41

Josiah: That's right.

626

: 00:39:41

Jerremy: That brings me to a

really interesting question.

627

: 00:39:44

Because serial killers

I agree with you Richie.

628

: 00:39:48

I do not believe generally will use

weapon guns to facilitate their murders.

629

: 00:39:54

However, mass shooters will, can you guys

paint me a picture of what's a use case?

630

: 00:40:02

Why would a gun owner need to

have a semi-automatic weapon?

631

: 00:40:09

What's the validity of

that for protection.

632

: 00:40:12

Why are those available

to the general public?

633

: 00:40:16

Richie: So as someone who has them they're

fun to take to the range and shoot there's

634

: 00:40:22

your first star there is a use case with

hunting now If you are headed down the

635

: 00:40:27

road of AR-15 I actually am not an owner

of an AR 15 and that is personal choice I

636

: 00:40:37

like hunting guns I like high-end shotguns

That's my collection Old cowboy guns but

637

: 00:40:44

i've built AR I've shot em they're an

absolute blast to shoot it's personal

638

: 00:40:50

preference really and in the case of

personal protection so I'll break this

639

: 00:40:57

down very simply If there's a personal

protection situation and you're in your

640

: 00:41:02

home an AR 15 is not good home personal

protection especially if you have kids or

641

: 00:41:08

other people in the house because it goes

through Too many walls and I used to teach

642

: 00:41:12

this when I sold guns They would come in

and say Hey I want an AR for behind my

643

: 00:41:17

bed or whatever if somebody ever comes

in my wife and I'm like let's take a step

644

: 00:41:21

back and let's get a shotgun shotgun's

not gonna go through as many walls you

645

: 00:41:25

can actually do more damage close range

it's way more effective in most military

646

: 00:41:32

and personal protection applications with

AR you match force with force right don't

647

: 00:41:38

the old adage don't bring a knife to a

gunfight so in the case of mass shootings

648

: 00:41:46

they've used some sort of semi-automatic

weapon well SWAT team doesn't show up

649

: 00:41:50

with just pistols right They show up with

ar to match force with force and I guess

650

: 00:41:56

the best application personal protection

would be in a more open setting not inside

651

: 00:42:02

your home where that would really be

there and I don't wanna really speak on it

652

: 00:42:05

because again I don't have an aR 15 it's

just not my gun of choice They're fun.

653

: 00:42:09

They're grown men Legos really and truly

I love building them but I'll let Josiah

654

: 00:42:15

speak more to it cause it sounds like

he has em more and understands em more

655

: 00:42:18

Jerremy: Before he does.

656

: 00:42:19

I will say this ironically enough,

again, my viewpoint, my perspective

657

: 00:42:24

and some of the data that's very clear.

658

: 00:42:27

Cars kill way more people than guns do

regardless of what the gun deaths are.

659

: 00:42:36

And obviously then you have,

cardiac arrest, heart disease,

660

: 00:42:39

things of that nature.

661

: 00:42:41

And why would someone

drive a very fast car?

662

: 00:42:43

They murder, they killed tons of people.

663

: 00:42:45

Why would someone need

a car that goes over 70?

664

: 00:42:48

And the short answer is Richie.

665

: 00:42:50

'cause they're fun.

666

: 00:42:51

It is.

667

: 00:42:51

It is exciting.

668

: 00:42:53

There are a, there's gonna be a

large group of people that have

669

: 00:42:55

never shot a semi-automatic weapon.

670

: 00:42:58

And when you do, there is a 100% chance

that your adrenaline's gonna spike.

671

: 00:43:04

That you're probably either gonna smile

or there's gonna be some crazy, fun,

672

: 00:43:07

wild, unique expression on your face.

673

: 00:43:10

Your blood pressure's gonna go

up and you are going to know

674

: 00:43:12

that you just shot something.

675

: 00:43:14

And obviously in almost every situation

I've been a part of this experience.

676

: 00:43:19

It's been in a very safe,

very controlled environment.

677

: 00:43:22

And it is it's fun, it's exhilarating

and why do people do anything, right?

678

: 00:43:27

Probably ultimately for entertainment, for

joy, for this escaping reality sense of,

679

: 00:43:33

oh man, that was a really fun experience.

680

: 00:43:36

So I I think that was a very interesting

and really straightforward answer.

681

: 00:43:39

Also, Richie, and then secondly.

682

: 00:43:41

From a protection standpoint.

683

: 00:43:44

I also like the fact that you brought up,

Hey man, someone's coming into your house.

684

: 00:43:48

You're probably gonna be doing a

lot of damage to your house also.

685

: 00:43:50

If your children in the other room and

you're peppering the AR 15, like it, very

686

: 00:43:54

good chance it could go through the wall.

687

: 00:43:56

Very good chance that the

bullets could go other places.

688

: 00:43:58

I just like the fact that you brought

that up because ultimately I believe

689

: 00:44:02

that there is a lot of validity to that

for people just to be aware that you are

690

: 00:44:06

sitting down and saying what type of.

691

: 00:44:08

Weapon do I want for sport and really

for personal preference and enjoyment.

692

: 00:44:14

And that's just something that

was very straightforward and

693

: 00:44:17

very real and vulnerable, and I

appreciate you sharing that with us.

694

: 00:44:19

Josiah, what's your take?

695

: 00:44:20

My man?

696

: 00:44:21

Josiah: Yeah absolutely So I'll dive

into that One thing I want to add to

697

: 00:44:25

Rich's point is absolutely couldn't

agree more Like an AR is not a good

698

: 00:44:30

intruder in the middle of the night

weapon especially if your kids bedrooms

699

: 00:44:36

are on the same level you know that might

happen on, these TV shows where they

700

: 00:44:40

pull a rifle round out of the drywall,

it makes me laugh out loud every time.

701

: 00:44:46

I'm like, that would've gone through six

walls and if it got lodged anywhere, maybe

702

: 00:44:50

in the brick on the outside of the house.

703

: 00:44:53

And if it, there wasn't a brick house,

it might've gone through the siding.

704

: 00:44:56

Those things are ripping,

over: 3000

705

: 00:45:00

We're talking about distances

of three to nine meters come on.

706

: 00:45:03

So I couldn't agree more with that.

707

: 00:45:05

Now what I do is I keep a my home defense

handgun, I keep three rounds of snake

708

: 00:45:12

shot first in that So if there's a home

intruder, they're basically getting many

709

: 00:45:17

shotgun rounds, the first three rounds.

710

: 00:45:19

Hopefully I can incapacitate them without.

711

: 00:45:21

Totally ending their life before it

goes to serious business right So just

712

: 00:45:26

something for people to think about

because then you have it in a smaller

713

: 00:45:29

package, a handgun package, as opposed

to, again, these people who don't maneuver

714

: 00:45:32

things like shotguns through a small space

all the time You have to train for CQB.

715

: 00:45:36

It's not easy.

716

: 00:45:38

That being said on the case of ars I'm

gonna go for the jugular here Jerremy and

717

: 00:45:43

however much of this is too controversial

you can trim but the second Amendment

718

: 00:45:49

was not written for deer hunters.

719

: 00:45:52

It was not written for sports shooting

enthusiasts Absolutely it is fun to

720

: 00:45:58

take a semi-automatic rifle out onto

the range but if you've ever done that,

721

: 00:46:03

you know that you can't just dump a

mag accurately this is not something

722

: 00:46:08

where you're just firing as fast as

you can fire, especially somebody

723

: 00:46:11

who has no clue what they're doing.

724

: 00:46:13

The Second Amendment was written for

a very specific reason, and that's

725

: 00:46:17

because it's the only thing that keeps

governments from going full bore overtly

726

: 00:46:27

tyrannical because if a government

makes decisions and passes laws, that

727

: 00:46:35

infringe on people's freedom far enough

where they feel it in their core,

728

: 00:46:39

They will rise up for that, they will.

729

: 00:46:43

And the founding fathers knew that

because they had just been through it.

730

: 00:46:46

We had just fought the Revolutionary

War, and so that was fresh

731

: 00:46:50

for them when they wrote that.

732

: 00:46:53

And so they knew that if they kept

that protection in place that was

733

: 00:46:56

the best chance that we in the future

generations had of maintaining the

734

: 00:47:02

freedom that they had just bought for us

with a lot of blood and a lot of lives.

735

: 00:47:09

And that's something that I think people

nowadays take majorly for granted.

736

: 00:47:13

So why do we quote unquote, need

weapons with capabilities like that?

737

: 00:47:19

Because Rich said that's what

you're most likely to be up

738

: 00:47:22

against in a situation like that.

739

: 00:47:24

And if all we have is revolvers and

lever action, western style rifles or

740

: 00:47:32

shotguns, we're not gonna be a whole

lot use over, against weapons like that.

741

: 00:47:39

But even though the powers that be,

have fully automatic weapons, right?

742

: 00:47:42

You put, 10,000 people.

743

: 00:47:45

With AR fifteens up against a force

like that, And it's gonna be formidable.

744

: 00:47:49

And that was the whole point to keep

them from stepping over that line

745

: 00:47:54

because they knew that if they did

they would be at the other end of

746

: 00:47:59

a hundred million rifle barrels.

747

: 00:48:01

And I know it sounds very dark to say

something like that but that is the

748

: 00:48:07

reality of our world Power corrupts

and really the only thing standing

749

: 00:48:13

between a government and absolute

corrupting power is an armed populace.

750

: 00:48:19

And if we took that away we'd just be

depending on people's human nature to

751

: 00:48:24

be as good as it possibly could be.

752

: 00:48:26

And again, our expectations

are wrong there.

753

: 00:48:29

That's never going to happen.

754

: 00:48:30

evil is always going to exist.

755

: 00:48:33

Dave: So I'd like to dig into this a

little bit to transition us into solutions

756

: 00:48:38

there is no doubt that the founders

beat the biggest empire on earth with

757

: 00:48:43

privately owned warships and cannons.

758

: 00:48:47

And they wrote that Second Amendment

just a few days after requiring

759

: 00:48:51

every man to own a military rifle.

760

: 00:48:54

It was the AR 15 of their day The

other part of this is the founders

761

: 00:48:58

also let towns confiscate guns,

particularly from loyalists.

762

: 00:49:03

Also, quote unquote disorderly persons.

763

: 00:49:06

they banned Catholics.

764

: 00:49:08

they let officers search your house.

765

: 00:49:11

these were the laws of the time.

766

: 00:49:13

today is different.

767

: 00:49:15

Like we already know

felons can't own guns.

768

: 00:49:18

Research does show that

some limits do work.

769

: 00:49:22

Like I live in Florida waiting periods

even magazine limits, red flag laws,

770

: 00:49:28

those do reduce the number of deaths.

771

: 00:49:33

If anything, steelman the other

side of this, but tell me for

772

: 00:49:36

you, does work, what doesn't work?

773

: 00:49:40

Is it the libertarian, no constraints,

no laws or are there some fences, quote

774

: 00:49:47

unquote, that make good neighbors?

775

: 00:49:49

I think I wanna avoid the, all

the guns that seems, hyperbolic,

776

: 00:49:53

that's not even possible.

777

: 00:49:54

But tell me the other side of this.

778

: 00:49:56

Tell me about fences, if anything.

779

: 00:49:58

richie, you wanna start that one?

780

: 00:49:59

Richie: so you said something there

that I literally i'm trying to take

781

: 00:50:04

notes in case I think of something,

but you said felons can't hold guns

782

: 00:50:08

Dave: that is actually among

the only national laws we

783

: 00:50:11

have Felons can't own guns.

784

: 00:50:13

Richie: Is anybody doing anything about

it they can't buy a gun But like you said

785

: 00:50:19

the founding fathers allowed search and

seizure but when have you ever heard of

786

: 00:50:25

oh he's a felon over there Let's go check

and make sure he doesn't have a gun I

787

: 00:50:29

don't know that it happens ever The only

time that the felon gets in trouble for

788

: 00:50:34

having a gun is when he is caught in the

act of doing something and from someone

789

: 00:50:39

who has sold a lot of guns you fill out

a form 44 73 and this is back in the day

790

: 00:50:46

before iPads now it's all done on an iPad

and almost instant And You had to call in

791

: 00:50:53

and they gave you the form and you went

over and you checked the boxes and Are

792

: 00:50:58

you mentally defective Have you ever had

a misdemeanor Have you ever been a, oh

793

: 00:51:02

gosh it's all kinds of questions citizens

Things like that and it's been a while

794

: 00:51:06

since I've looked at one But and then

you made a phone call to the fDLE for

795

: 00:51:10

Florida and you waited and they said all

right approved you wrote your approval

796

: 00:51:14

number down Cool stamp it There's the

gun sale or conditional meaning Hey we've

797

: 00:51:20

got a waiting period We need to look

deeper into this person we'll call you

798

: 00:51:24

back We have three days before you can

release this firearm stamp it or denial

799

: 00:51:29

Now they can never tell you why that was

the extent of what we knew when we were

800

: 00:51:34

doing the 44 73 and the background checks.

801

: 00:51:37

Dave: Yeah.

802

: 00:51:39

Richie: So I guess to your question of

what can be done don't know But what I do

803

: 00:51:49

know is nothing is being done to stop the

people that aren't supposed to have them

804

: 00:51:54

from having them does that make sense Yeah

there's, and that's I would say that's

805

: 00:52:00

a, our justice system in general right

Like the stat with Illinois 80 had prior

806

: 00:52:07

arrest records they're still getting a

gun from somewhere and I know the question

807

: 00:52:12

is if you do the gun show loophole or the

private sale loophole where I can walk up

808

: 00:52:18

to you and say Hey I've got a gun You want

buy it 600 bucks here you go What how do

809

: 00:52:24

I know you're a felon or not and it's I

don't feel that it is my job to police it

810

: 00:52:30

as a private citizen like I I don't know

the right way there I don't think that you

811

: 00:52:35

should stop that because if my dad wants

to sell me a gun is he not allowed to

812

: 00:52:38

Dave: Well, Rich, so you're

saying I'm here in enforcement.

813

: 00:52:41

So what does enforcement mean?

814

: 00:52:42

Does that mean.

815

: 00:52:44

Background checks.

816

: 00:52:45

Does that mean if, like you're on, you're

in psychiatric counseling or you're

817

: 00:52:50

taking psychiatric medications, then Yeah.

818

: 00:52:53

Should, should guns be, locked up by maybe

a a gun dealer or local law enforcement.

819

: 00:53:00

So what does enforcement mean to you

820

: 00:53:01

Richie: It's a slippery slope because

I know that the nras Big thing and

821

: 00:53:06

a lot of gun owners thing is if

we give an inch they take a mile

822

: 00:53:09

Dave: Yeah

823

: 00:53:11

Richie: And part of red flag

laws that are so scary is if you

824

: 00:53:15

called the police department tomorrow

and Baker acted me guess what there goes

825

: 00:53:20

my right to own a gun for a while and

that's just you doing it Now were you

826

: 00:53:25

doing it because you think I'm a piece

of shit and You don't agree with me,

827

: 00:53:29

Or do I really have a mental illness

828

: 00:53:31

Josiah: is guilty until proven innocent.

829

: 00:53:33

Richie: Exactly And so I think law

abiding gun owners are afraid that if we

830

: 00:53:42

say 'cause I do agree that there could

be some tightening in certain areas.

831

: 00:53:48

I don't know what that looks like I don't

know what that is because we've seen the

832

: 00:53:52

government, we've seen all kinds of things

where it gets taken further and deeper

833

: 00:53:58

every single time case in point like the

red flag deal somebody listening to this

834

: 00:54:04

podcast could literally baker act me and

then I'm now no longer allowed to own

835

: 00:54:09

a gun because I'm adjudicated mentally

defective which if I put no on the 44 73

836

: 00:54:17

I'm now breaking a federal law I don't

know your answer and I don't have an

837

: 00:54:22

answer for you I just know that it is a

extremely slippery slope and it can go

838

: 00:54:30

really bad really quick for a good person

following the law I guess that's my answer

839

: 00:54:36

Jerremy: Yeah, that was a great answer.

840

: 00:54:37

You're also saying, and I heard you

say I meaning like you would be okay

841

: 00:54:42

if it was structured the right way.

842

: 00:54:45

If it was proposed the correct

way, you'd be all right for some

843

: 00:54:50

additional enforcement of some kind.

844

: 00:54:52

example, every year you have to

register your car, you gotta pay a

845

: 00:54:58

registration fee, and that goes directly

to the state, the county, whoever.

846

: 00:55:04

Would you be willing to do something

like that with a gun every year where

847

: 00:55:10

you pay some X amount of dollars,

$20 to say, Hey, I still have it.

848

: 00:55:14

I still own it.

849

: 00:55:16

And that $20 goes to a mental health

organization or the Veteran's Affairs

850

: 00:55:24

Act where we actually can pour into

the mental stability of our citizens.

851

: 00:55:30

Richie: So this is where you May

disagree with me, but No, it is not a

852

: 00:55:33

Josiah: law abiding yeah

853

: 00:55:35

Richie: Exactly it is My second amendment

right to own those guns I don't have

854

: 00:55:38

to tell you how many I have because the

criminals that have em illegally aren't

855

: 00:55:42

gonna do that so that just defeats

the purpose and you're only penalizing

856

: 00:55:47

the law abiding citizens it is not a

an amendment to own a vehicle that's

857

: 00:55:54

a luxury so I would differ on that.

858

: 00:55:58

I don't know because I again, it

is a very slippery slope I just

859

: 00:56:04

spit balling shot in the dark here.

860

: 00:56:05

Let's say you had a felony and

you can no longer own a gun and

861

: 00:56:09

you, 'cause technically your

guns are halfway registered.

862

: 00:56:12

When you fill out a 44 73, they put

the serial number down on it There is

863

: 00:56:16

database that you can back on and see.

864

: 00:56:19

Okay, Richie Swell bought that

gun now whether I have it anymore

865

: 00:56:24

or Not, that's two different

things, but it is to my name.

866

: 00:56:28

So if you commit a felony, maybe

I don't know, pretty intrusive.

867

: 00:56:34

But number one, you have

to give up your guns.

868

: 00:56:36

Number two, there should be annual

checks of do you have a gun?

869

: 00:56:40

And that's just a shot in the dark.

870

: 00:56:41

And I don't necessarily know that

I agree with it, but talk about

871

: 00:56:45

enforcement, but you committed the felony.

872

: 00:56:47

So, you know, I didn't commit the felony.

873

: 00:56:52

I don't know.

874

: 00:56:52

I really don't.

875

: 00:56:53

there's not a perfect

answer to it 'cause sure.

876

: 00:56:56

Do you know why I think

you don't know Richie?

877

: 00:56:59

Why?

878

: 00:56:59

'cause again, there is no way to

legislate evil out of this world.

879

: 00:57:04

True.

880

: 00:57:05

Josiah: And I think the flaw

in the question is how can

881

: 00:57:09

we get this down to zero?

882

: 00:57:11

Dave: I can say the craziest stuff, right?

883

: 00:57:13

And yet there are fences on that, right?

884

: 00:57:16

I can't libel you, I can't,

you know, I can't try to sell

885

: 00:57:19

you, swamp here in Florida.

886

: 00:57:22

You know, like all of those

things are illegal and yet

887

: 00:57:24

technically they're free speech.

888

: 00:57:27

You know, so like everything has a fence

as gun owners, as people who are like,

889

: 00:57:31

this is my right, and I agree with you.

890

: 00:57:34

What are those fences that you'd be okay

with that also helps, protect and the

891

: 00:57:40

safety and maybe people who, who don't

own guns, you know, like what, what kind

892

: 00:57:45

of fence would you be okay with, if any?

893

: 00:57:48

Josiah: Yeah, I think he hit it

on the head with the enforcement

894

: 00:57:50

of what we've already got, right?

895

: 00:57:52

Because those are people who've

already shown a capacity, right?

896

: 00:57:55

I think we need to tighten up on, again,

what he talked about, was it 80% people

897

: 00:58:00

already had, offenses and a long sheet?

898

: 00:58:04

how are we letting rap

sheets get that long?

899

: 00:58:07

Now, again, I don't know enough

about, that, but how is somebody

900

: 00:58:11

out there running around who has 15

arrests in the first place, right?

901

: 00:58:16

That seems like a good place to start.

902

: 00:58:18

To me.

903

: 00:58:20

I agree.

904

: 00:58:20

I'm totally against red flag

laws because again, that's just,

905

: 00:58:23

too much of a slippery slope.

906

: 00:58:25

It's guilty until proven innocent.

907

: 00:58:27

And the other stuff that

we're talking about, like what

908

: 00:58:30

Jerremy brought up, right?

909

: 00:58:31

The $20, kind of re-report

everything every year, right?

910

: 00:58:35

It's not about the cost of it

or even the hassle of reporting

911

: 00:58:39

it, it's who's gonna do that?

912

: 00:58:41

All your law abiding citizens are

gonna do the people you're not

913

: 00:58:44

worried about going out and committing

one of these atrocities, right?

914

: 00:58:49

Somebody who would do that.

915

: 00:58:51

The likelihood of them actually

acquiescing to that requirement

916

: 00:58:55

is probably pretty nil, right?

917

: 00:58:59

So it's, you know, again, it's

this idea that we're going to just

918

: 00:59:02

be able to legislate evil away.

919

: 00:59:05

I think there are bigger root causes that

we could address than the guns themselves.

920

: 00:59:09

Kind of like this

conversation started off.

921

: 00:59:11

Yeah.

922

: 00:59:11

You know, fatherlessness is a huge one.

923

: 00:59:15

You know what is fueling

the fatherlessness epidemic

924

: 00:59:21

in this country, right?

925

: 00:59:24

That makes for a big swath of things

going off the rails with developing youth.

926

: 00:59:31

Not having a father in the picture.

927

: 00:59:33

That to me would have a much

more massive systemic impact

928

: 00:59:38

Jerremy: mm-hmm.

929

: 00:59:39

Josiah: On our culture as a whole

than again, clamping down access to

930

: 00:59:45

an inanimate object that everybody

who's going to participate in those

931

: 00:59:49

restrictions anyways are Already

proving themselves responsible.

932

: 00:59:52

Dave: So this is what I'm hearing,

and correct me if I'm wrong that the

933

: 00:59:55

laws we have now aren't either being

enforced or they're not working for

934

: 01:00:02

you, or they could lead to more issues.

935

: 01:00:06

And so we should have fewer of the laws

like red flag laws or less on that, and

936

: 01:00:13

we should make sure felons don't own guns.

937

: 01:00:16

Richie: Yeah.

938

: 01:00:17

Josiah: On the spot?

939

: 01:00:17

Yeah.

940

: 01:00:18

I think that's a good starting point.

941

: 01:00:20

Richie: Yeah.

942

: 01:00:20

And to speak to the registration

and stuff between: 2017

943

: 01:00:26

there were over 92,000 firearms

confiscated without serial numbers.

944

: 01:00:33

So registering 'em doesn't

do anything anyway.

945

: 01:00:37

Yeah.

946

: 01:00:37

You know?

947

: 01:00:37

Mm-hmm.

948

: 01:00:37

Whether that be a ghost

gun or it was filed off,

949

: 01:00:39

Josiah: Sure,

950

: 01:00:40

Richie: Filed Off.

951

: 01:00:40

Yeah.

952

: 01:00:40

Um, and so it is, it's one of those things

where you're damned if you do, damned

953

: 01:00:46

if you don't, in a lot of aspects of it.

954

: 01:00:48

And, Josiah said it perfectly, I think

there are other issues at play that the

955

: 01:00:53

guns are getting their fingers pointed at.

956

: 01:00:55

Like, why?

957

: 01:00:56

Just redirecting for two seconds and

let me go off on my little tangent.

958

: 01:01:01

Doctors kill 250,000 people

a year for malpractice.

959

: 01:01:05

Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

960

: 01:01:06

Richie: I haven't heard the

first let's get rid of a doctor.

961

: 01:01:09

Josiah: and that's that consistency.

962

: 01:01:11

Richie: And we're talking about, and I

know that I'm not this type of person,

963

: 01:01:15

but I'm just gonna say facts here,

we're talking about 46,000 people a year

964

: 01:01:19

Dave: Yeah, I hear you.

965

: 01:01:20

But doctors are also licensed.

966

: 01:01:23

And they can lose that license and

they require continuing education.

967

: 01:01:26

Is it too much to say that if you're

a gun owner, you are licensed?

968

: 01:01:30

Right.

969

: 01:01:31

And you have to do continuing education.

970

: 01:01:33

as another citizen, if you own a

weapon, I wanna make sure you are

971

: 01:01:38

completely up on all the laws, that

you are a super citizen because you

972

: 01:01:42

have a super responsibility with a gun.

973

: 01:01:44

I wanna make sure that you understand

the laws and I wanna make sure that

974

: 01:01:47

you know how to use that weapon.

975

: 01:01:48

Is that too much to ask?

976

: 01:01:51

Richie: So my question to you is,

has malpractice gone down with the

977

: 01:01:54

continuing education and the licensing?

978

: 01:01:57

Dave: I don't know, but I'm gonna guess

that there's a lot of crappy doctors

979

: 01:02:00

out there that are no longer practicing.

980

: 01:02:02

I mean, I can't prove the negative,

but I'm gonna say that's my,

981

: 01:02:05

you know, like, that's my point.

982

: 01:02:06

we have better doctors with those

contingencies than I would, you know,

983

: 01:02:10

like if, if my doctor was not licensed

and you know, had had a bunch of issues

984

: 01:02:15

and you know, like I wouldn't go to a

doctor who didn't go to medical school.

985

: 01:02:19

I'm asking you to make sure that

everybody goes to a gun school.

986

: 01:02:22

Is that okay?

987

: 01:02:23

Richie: So if you want to hunt, you

have to go do a hunter safety course.

988

: 01:02:28

Dave: Great,

989

: 01:02:29

Richie: right?

990

: 01:02:29

Mm-hmm.

991

: 01:02:29

And that is required to be able

to hunt and get a hunting license.

992

: 01:02:33

Jerremy: Yeah.

993

: 01:02:33

Richie: I don't see an issue with,

if you're gonna buy a gun, you need

994

: 01:02:36

to go through a gun safety course.

995

: 01:02:38

I don't see an issue with that.

996

: 01:02:39

I, I think that could only help.

997

: 01:02:42

it does a number of things.

998

: 01:02:44

It actually opens up job opportunity.

999

: 01:02:46

It gives people that are professionals

in the industry or with firearms,

: 1000

01:02:51,981 --> 01:02:53,661

you know, the opportunity to teach.

: 1001

01:02:54,091 --> 01:02:57,361

Same with how it used to be to

get a concealed carry permit.

: 1002

01:02:57,851 --> 01:03:00,701

You had to go through concealed

carry class, you had to take a

: 1003

01:03:00,701 --> 01:03:03,761

test, and then you had to go to the

range with an instructor and fire.

: 1004

01:03:04,701 --> 01:03:06,231

So it's kind of already there.

: 1005

01:03:07,146 --> 01:03:08,436

I don't know how all states are.

: 1006

01:03:08,436 --> 01:03:13,226

I know Florida used to be that way

to get your concealed, and I think

: 1007

01:03:13,226 --> 01:03:16,106

even with the open carry to get a

concealed carry permit in Florida,

: 1008

01:03:16,106 --> 01:03:17,306

you still have to go through that.

: 1009

01:03:18,126 --> 01:03:22,176

I would not be opposed to that because

like hunters do it and they do it, you

: 1010

01:03:22,176 --> 01:03:25,736

know, that's like a rite of passage for

the 13 to 14-year-old fixing to get his

: 1011

01:03:25,736 --> 01:03:28,106

hunting license when he turns 16 or 17.

: 1012

01:03:28,896 --> 01:03:30,066

So I don't see an issue with it.

: 1013

01:03:30,116 --> 01:03:33,986

but with every bad apple, there's

gonna people that just sign off,

: 1014

01:03:33,986 --> 01:03:35,576

collect the 30 bucks and move on.

: 1015

01:03:36,356 --> 01:03:39,426

Josiah: And using the, the

doctor analogy again, to your

: 1016

01:03:39,426 --> 01:03:43,526

point you said the CEUs right?

: 1017

01:03:43,526 --> 01:03:46,166

And the licensing and all that

kind of stuff does make for better

: 1018

01:03:46,166 --> 01:03:47,636

doctors than if we didn't have that.

: 1019

01:03:47,636 --> 01:03:48,056

Right.

: 1020

01:03:49,056 --> 01:03:50,226

What does that I'm, I'm saying I wouldn't,

: 1021

01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:52,476

Dave: I wouldn't go to a doctor

who didn't go to medical school

: 1022

01:03:52,476 --> 01:03:53,646

and didn't keep up on things.

: 1023

01:03:53,696 --> 01:03:54,356

Josiah: absolutely.

: 1024

01:03:54,356 --> 01:03:55,436

I wouldn't either.

: 1025

01:03:55,466 --> 01:03:55,676

Yeah.

: 1026

01:03:55,946 --> 01:03:57,716

But there are people who do.

: 1027

01:03:58,016 --> 01:03:58,256

Sure.

: 1028

01:03:58,286 --> 01:04:02,036

So my question was going to be, what

about all the people who are out there

: 1029

01:04:02,036 --> 01:04:03,806

practicing medicine that aren't licensed?

: 1030

01:04:04,556 --> 01:04:06,506

What do regulations like that do for them?

: 1031

01:04:06,536 --> 01:04:08,406

To me that's kind of the

equivalent for mm-hmm.

: 1032

01:04:08,696 --> 01:04:11,126

The criminal sector in

the gun conversation.

: 1033

01:04:11,766 --> 01:04:16,246

What is legislating the good

people who are gonna participate

: 1034

01:04:16,246 --> 01:04:20,896

do for the segment of society that

we're actually trying to impact?

: 1035

01:04:21,896 --> 01:04:26,346

My question and I just to be really

clear here, I don't have an answer.

: 1036

01:04:26,856 --> 01:04:27,036

Yeah.

: 1037

01:04:27,066 --> 01:04:30,666

But I've not seen, or I've not seen

or heard of a piece of legislation

: 1038

01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:34,116

that I'm like, oh my gosh, that

will fix the actual problem.

: 1039

01:04:34,596 --> 01:04:34,926

Yeah.

: 1040

01:04:34,986 --> 01:04:36,576

It's always the guns we're going after.

: 1041

01:04:36,576 --> 01:04:37,566

It's never the people.

: 1042

01:04:37,994 --> 01:04:38,376

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1043

01:04:38,398 --> 01:04:42,373

Only My whole topic and my whole

belief, my whole narrative is gonna come

: 1044

01:04:42,373 --> 01:04:47,653

down to it's being generally at some

point sensationalized by our leaders

: 1045

01:04:47,653 --> 01:04:49,483

or essentially lack of leadership.

: 1046

01:04:50,113 --> 01:04:53,413

Because what you said

earlier, fatherlessness.

: 1047

01:04:54,013 --> 01:05:00,923

85% of individuals in prison are because

they do not have a dad in the household.

: 1048

01:05:01,383 --> 01:05:04,443

That's the highest statistic that

we currently have, where it's like

: 1049

01:05:04,473 --> 01:05:08,253

if you go to prison, it is probably

because you did not have a dad.

: 1050

01:05:08,463 --> 01:05:12,643

Doesn't matter your race it generally

doesn't matter how much money you make.

: 1051

01:05:12,883 --> 01:05:13,573

Did you have a dad?

: 1052

01:05:13,723 --> 01:05:14,893

No, that's right.

: 1053

01:05:15,313 --> 01:05:16,363

You're probably gonna go to jail.

: 1054

01:05:16,363 --> 01:05:17,863

You're probably gonna go

to prison, most likely.

: 1055

01:05:17,863 --> 01:05:17,953

Mm-hmm.

: 1056

01:05:18,433 --> 01:05:25,533

And then both of you have also mentioned

this word that you are teaching, right?

: 1057

01:05:25,533 --> 01:05:30,333

You're teaching your kids, you're

teaching people around you, you are having

: 1058

01:05:30,633 --> 01:05:36,663

conversations, and you are educating

individuals on certain powerful topics.

: 1059

01:05:37,023 --> 01:05:41,883

One thing that I definitely believe is

there is going to be a root problem.

: 1060

01:05:42,153 --> 01:05:46,503

And that root problem doesn't

directly absolutely focus around guns.

: 1061

01:05:46,503 --> 01:05:50,523

In fact, both Dave and myself, when we

started creating this topic, we're like,

: 1062

01:05:50,523 --> 01:05:51,993

all right, man, let's talk gun control.

: 1063

01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:54,693

And then really what it came down

to is like, all right, both me

: 1064

01:05:54,693 --> 01:05:56,253

and Dave are super pro human.

: 1065

01:05:57,138 --> 01:05:59,788

We're not really pro guns

or, con guns we're pro human.

: 1066

01:05:59,788 --> 01:06:03,658

And it, it's like, it's the

human issue somewhere in here

: 1067

01:06:03,658 --> 01:06:04,918

that's really the problem.

: 1068

01:06:05,278 --> 01:06:05,608

Josiah: Mm-hmm.

: 1069

01:06:05,614 --> 01:06:08,038

Jerremy: As you have mentioned,

Josiah and Richie also, like there,

: 1070

01:06:08,038 --> 01:06:13,078

it's, the problem is you cannot

legislate evil out of the world.

: 1071

01:06:14,078 --> 01:06:22,658

Can you decrease evil or can you decrease

frustration, anger, animosity, violence,

: 1072

01:06:23,078 --> 01:06:25,748

which also can all stem from poverty?

: 1073

01:06:26,478 --> 01:06:32,788

And I think ultimately my answer is, it

is possible to do that more than directly

: 1074

01:06:32,788 --> 01:06:35,218

impact the negativity that guns create.

: 1075

01:06:36,178 --> 01:06:36,328

Josiah: Yeah.

: 1076

01:06:36,598 --> 01:06:37,018

Agreed.

: 1077

01:06:37,023 --> 01:06:37,873

I totally agree.

: 1078

01:06:37,873 --> 01:06:42,223

And the, I'm glad you said what you

said about, you know, the fatherless

: 1079

01:06:42,223 --> 01:06:44,113

statistic and prison, right?

: 1080

01:06:44,293 --> 01:06:47,263

And the first thing that came to

my mind was not just violence.

: 1081

01:06:47,263 --> 01:06:52,613

how much violence would that, prevent, but

also what would that do for the economy?

: 1082

01:06:53,613 --> 01:06:57,533

What if all of those people

were contributing productive

: 1083

01:06:57,533 --> 01:06:58,763

members of society?

: 1084

01:06:59,663 --> 01:07:02,183

Instead of in prison for

mistakes that they had made.

: 1085

01:07:03,183 --> 01:07:04,383

Imagine that for a second.

: 1086

01:07:04,383 --> 01:07:06,273

What would that do for us economically?

: 1087

01:07:06,693 --> 01:07:10,683

What would that do for those

lower income communities?

: 1088

01:07:11,103 --> 01:07:13,953

It might help them ratchet up a lot.

: 1089

01:07:13,993 --> 01:07:15,763

Rising tide raises all ships.

: 1090

01:07:16,123 --> 01:07:21,433

I think that would have way more positive

impacts than just reducing violence.

: 1091

01:07:21,553 --> 01:07:24,643

I think it definitely would reduce

violence, but I think there would be a lot

: 1092

01:07:24,643 --> 01:07:32,663

of other really incredible side effects if

we got to really the root of that issue.

: 1093

01:07:32,669 --> 01:07:33,888

Jerremy: Yeah, man, I get it.

: 1094

01:07:34,008 --> 01:07:35,238

I totally understand like that.

: 1095

01:07:35,448 --> 01:07:36,528

But that's what's beautiful.

: 1096

01:07:36,528 --> 01:07:41,058

And Dave and I are always smiling because

ultimately every single discussion that

: 1097

01:07:41,058 --> 01:07:46,158

we have always comes back to that at

some point, is how do we make the heart

: 1098

01:07:46,158 --> 01:07:50,453

of men, because the panel of US four are

the most dangerous creatures on earth.

: 1099

01:07:51,263 --> 01:07:53,973

Uh, well, maybe not on earth,

but definitely in America.

: 1100

01:07:54,453 --> 01:07:57,283

Like you guys mentioned serial killers.

: 1101

01:07:57,294 --> 01:08:02,034

. Like 95%, 90% of serial

killers are white men, right?

: 1102

01:08:02,114 --> 01:08:05,744

Mass school shootings, mostly white men.

: 1103

01:08:06,134 --> 01:08:08,714

People that have murdered

extremely famous.

: 1104

01:08:09,524 --> 01:08:12,974

Political figures or historical

figures, mostly white men.

: 1105

01:08:13,314 --> 01:08:14,724

And there's a long, long list.

: 1106

01:08:14,724 --> 01:08:18,144

But the general topic is it is men, right?

: 1107

01:08:18,384 --> 01:08:21,834

And men are gonna control

and do most of the damage.

: 1108

01:08:21,834 --> 01:08:26,394

And so ultimately, if, when we talk about

homelessness, when we talk about prison

: 1109

01:08:26,394 --> 01:08:31,564

reform, when we've discussed guns, when

we've discussed financial freedom, when

: 1110

01:08:31,564 --> 01:08:36,184

we've discussed the changes that we

need to make in this country in relation

: 1111

01:08:36,184 --> 01:08:42,814

to education, it almost always comes

down to the heart of most young men

: 1112

01:08:42,814 --> 01:08:49,654

and most countries is filled with anger

and frustration and annoyance and hate.

: 1113

01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:56,134

And that at some point ultimately spills

over into this unproductive core group

: 1114

01:08:56,134 --> 01:09:02,823

of a society that causes and creates

rape, that creates fatherless homes, that

: 1115

01:09:02,823 --> 01:09:07,443

creates a population of other boys and

girls that are not loved, that are not

: 1116

01:09:07,443 --> 01:09:09,004

looked out for, that are not cared for.

: 1117

01:09:09,304 --> 01:09:13,953

And at some stage, the educational

component of this country has

: 1118

01:09:13,953 --> 01:09:18,154

to come up and say, why are all

the people that continually have

: 1119

01:09:18,363 --> 01:09:21,064

97% of the impact negatively?

: 1120

01:09:22,064 --> 01:09:25,334

How do we change that

from a core systemic way?

: 1121

01:09:26,334 --> 01:09:29,573

Because we're always trying to pick

apart the small little things that.

: 1122

01:09:29,573 --> 01:09:32,084

End up being part of the

formula, but we never start

: 1123

01:09:32,084 --> 01:09:33,254

with the actual formula, right?

: 1124

01:09:33,288 --> 01:09:36,764

We try to start with the equal sign, we

always go to that side of the formula

: 1125

01:09:36,764 --> 01:09:38,370

versus the beginning part of the formula.

: 1126

01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:38,595

Josiah: Right.

: 1127

01:09:39,015 --> 01:09:41,595

I mean, as you're talking

about that I think it's a very

: 1128

01:09:41,805 --> 01:09:44,395

important thing to point out.

: 1129

01:09:44,475 --> 01:09:47,565

And this crossed my mind the other day

as I was preparing for this as well,

: 1130

01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:53,535

you know what really would solve the

problem a hundred percent is if everybody

: 1131

01:09:54,535 --> 01:09:56,515

accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

: 1132

01:09:57,515 --> 01:10:02,605

because someone who has Jesus, is

not going to commit a mass shooting.

: 1133

01:10:02,715 --> 01:10:05,965

But those same people who want us to

take all the guns away so there are

: 1134

01:10:05,965 --> 01:10:09,735

no more gun violence, they wouldn't

be okay with us requiring that.

: 1135

01:10:10,395 --> 01:10:11,235

You see what I'm saying?

: 1136

01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:11,660

Mm-hmm.

: 1137

01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:13,485

That really would solve the problem.

: 1138

01:10:13,905 --> 01:10:15,425

Dave: So I love that you said that.

: 1139

01:10:15,535 --> 01:10:19,505

And I want, I wanna hear a little bit

more about that because Richie's as you

: 1140

01:10:19,505 --> 01:10:26,795

both speak about your faith and Jesus

is front and center with your family,

: 1141

01:10:26,795 --> 01:10:33,135

your fun, your work, you know, and Jesus

commanded Peter to put the sword away.

: 1142

01:10:33,495 --> 01:10:36,735

Our peacemakers are

called children of God.

: 1143

01:10:36,735 --> 01:10:37,995

We turn the other cheek.

: 1144

01:10:38,025 --> 01:10:41,985

The gospels are about

love, even for our enemies.

: 1145

01:10:42,985 --> 01:10:48,145

What are moral questions, perhaps

for someone who isn't a follower

: 1146

01:10:48,775 --> 01:10:51,475

that could learn from your journey?

: 1147

01:10:51,535 --> 01:10:55,645

Do followers of God have to

dig deeper when it comes to the

: 1148

01:10:55,645 --> 01:10:58,525

morality around faith and firearms?

: 1149

01:10:59,035 --> 01:11:01,495

Josiah: Man, that is, that is so good.

: 1150

01:11:01,885 --> 01:11:05,005

One thing immediately comes to

mind, when people quote scripture,

: 1151

01:11:05,005 --> 01:11:06,355

they take things outta context.

: 1152

01:11:06,355 --> 01:11:09,535

And not saying that you're, that's

your intention here, but people

: 1153

01:11:09,535 --> 01:11:13,075

quote that, you know, told Peter

to put the sword away many times.

: 1154

01:11:13,075 --> 01:11:13,434

Right.

: 1155

01:11:13,705 --> 01:11:15,745

What was the context of that situation?

: 1156

01:11:16,115 --> 01:11:20,135

Dave: Jesus was, uh, being dragged off

to the cross and Peter had, uh, sliced

: 1157

01:11:20,135 --> 01:11:23,585

the ear of, uh, Malachi, I believe.

: 1158

01:11:23,585 --> 01:11:24,395

And he's like, no, no.

: 1159

01:11:24,395 --> 01:11:25,595

Put that sword away.

: 1160

01:11:26,105 --> 01:11:26,735

Uh, that's right.

: 1161

01:11:26,765 --> 01:11:30,615

He healed the ear and,

uh, that's the context

: 1162

01:11:30,860 --> 01:11:34,695

' Josiah: cause so Jesus knew that

if he laid waste to that leg of

: 1163

01:11:34,695 --> 01:11:38,985

Roman soldiers, then what he came

to do was not going to be fulfilled.

: 1164

01:11:39,615 --> 01:11:42,705

So in the context of that situation,

in that moment, the reason he told

: 1165

01:11:42,705 --> 01:11:46,155

Peter to put the sword away was

because what needed to happen was he

: 1166

01:11:46,155 --> 01:11:52,215

needed to be taken by those Romans to

ultimately be crucified for our sins.

: 1167

01:11:52,395 --> 01:11:54,945

So that's the context of that situation.

: 1168

01:11:54,995 --> 01:11:57,934

There's also another place

in the Bible where God told

: 1169

01:11:57,934 --> 01:11:59,915

Saul and the army of Israel.

: 1170

01:12:00,245 --> 01:12:04,925

To slay every single amalekite and not

even leave any of their animals alive.

: 1171

01:12:05,925 --> 01:12:08,684

People tend to leave stuff

like that out, right?

: 1172

01:12:08,715 --> 01:12:14,255

There definitely are situations

where or here you go, leave

: 1173

01:12:14,255 --> 01:12:15,425

the human element out of it.

: 1174

01:12:15,575 --> 01:12:22,215

The flood, the human race had gotten so

corrupted and not just corrupted with

: 1175

01:12:22,215 --> 01:12:25,395

evil, but corrupted genetically, right?

: 1176

01:12:25,395 --> 01:12:30,190

You had the nephilim the watchers,

having babies with human people, right?

: 1177

01:12:30,190 --> 01:12:32,170

Literally corrupting God's creation.

: 1178

01:12:32,170 --> 01:12:36,790

It had gotten so bad that the only

family left on earth that was not

: 1179

01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:39,760

touched by that corruption was Noah

and his family, and what did God do?

: 1180

01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,530

He wiped the entire earth out.

: 1181

01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:46,680

He killed everybody else, right?

: 1182

01:12:47,010 --> 01:12:52,620

So there are situations where

evil absolutely needs to be met.

: 1183

01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:58,500

With that kind of force, God has

shown us that himself, right?

: 1184

01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:01,890

Now, he always gives people

a chance to repent, right?

: 1185

01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,570

But if someone smashes in my door in the

middle of the night, we're past that.

: 1186

01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:09,225

We're past repentance, right?

: 1187

01:13:09,230 --> 01:13:14,280

'cause now my life and my

family's life is in danger, right?

: 1188

01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:18,200

You know, I think, you know, as,

as a, as a Christian, as a Bible

: 1189

01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,500

believer, as a Jesus follower, is

it hard to reconcile that for me?

: 1190

01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:25,040

No, because It is a very clear

line in my situation that I told

: 1191

01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,240

you about at the beginning, I

didn't jump straight into action.

: 1192

01:13:29,420 --> 01:13:29,600

Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

: 1193

01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:32,590

Josiah: But I was ready

to, if I needed to.

: 1194

01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:33,730

Right.

: 1195

01:13:33,780 --> 01:13:35,495

And the situation deescalated.

: 1196

01:13:36,059 --> 01:13:38,370

So is that hard to reconcile for us?

: 1197

01:13:38,370 --> 01:13:41,700

No, because again, that

is a very clear line.

: 1198

01:13:41,700 --> 01:13:46,440

But if my family, my kids, my wife,

myself, or even someone around me

: 1199

01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:50,710

that I don't know that I have the

power to help is in the mix, I

: 1200

01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:54,070

think that's gonna be a very obvious

decision, you know, at that moment.

: 1201

01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:56,680

And Rich, I'll let you add to that.

: 1202

01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,330

Richie: I don't know that

I can, to be very honest.

: 1203

01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,460

That was very well said.

: 1204

01:14:01,465 --> 01:14:07,765

It was, um, you know, I operate off of,

treat people how you want to be treated.

: 1205

01:14:08,695 --> 01:14:11,605

Be a good person, do the right thing.

: 1206

01:14:11,635 --> 01:14:14,605

And, one of the 10

commandments do not kill.

: 1207

01:14:15,605 --> 01:14:19,565

I'm not gonna kill anybody unless

it is absolutely necessary.

: 1208

01:14:19,565 --> 01:14:23,325

I pray that I never

have to pull my pistol.

: 1209

01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:28,265

Like this is something that I hear a

lot in podcasts and other things you

: 1210

01:14:28,265 --> 01:14:32,375

hear and see is like, you know, some of

these gun owners, they're just waiting

: 1211

01:14:32,375 --> 01:14:34,325

to pull their pistol and have to use it.

: 1212

01:14:34,925 --> 01:14:36,455

I would say those are the fake ones.

: 1213

01:14:37,205 --> 01:14:37,565

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1214

01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:43,460

Richie: Like the 90, probably

majority of most gun owners.

: 1215

01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:48,570

And you can know this is true because

like military especially like real

: 1216

01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:54,840

combat veterans don't speak on their like

actual, what they went through a lot.

: 1217

01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,210

A lot of 'em don't,

especially when it was bad.

: 1218

01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:02,010

And a lot of veterans that I've

spoke to, they don't want to ever

: 1219

01:15:02,010 --> 01:15:03,630

have to use their firearm again.

: 1220

01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:07,350

They're not just blood sucking

military guys that are robots trained

: 1221

01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:11,640

to kill like they killed because

they had to because it was wartime.

: 1222

01:15:12,330 --> 01:15:16,809

And I look at it from that standpoint

of I hope I never have to use my

: 1223

01:15:16,809 --> 01:15:19,300

firearm in that capacity ever.

: 1224

01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:21,280

I don't even want to pull it.

: 1225

01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:26,670

But I am prepared if I have to

because if I have to get to that

: 1226

01:15:26,670 --> 01:15:28,410

point, it's protection of myself.

: 1227

01:15:28,980 --> 01:15:32,550

It is protection of my family

or it is protecting someone

: 1228

01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:34,559

that cannot protect themselves.

: 1229

01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:35,160

Hmm.

: 1230

01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:39,870

Josiah: By the way, if you go back

to the original Hebrew on the 10

: 1231

01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:45,090

Commandments, it's not, thou shalt

not kill, it's thou shalt not murder.

: 1232

01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:45,630

Richie: Murder.

: 1233

01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:46,800

Josiah: There is a difference.

: 1234

01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:47,340

Richie: Yeah.

: 1235

01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:48,090

Big difference.

: 1236

01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:52,360

So, and then something that before I

had to use the restroom, something that

: 1237

01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,430

y'all were talking about was fatherless.

: 1238

01:15:54,760 --> 01:16:00,760

So: 1970

: 1239

01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:07,309

Of children lived with a two

parent household,: 2023

: 1240

01:16:08,309 --> 01:16:10,140

And I didn't drill down demographics.

: 1241

01:16:10,170 --> 01:16:13,320

I just, just straight United States.

: 1242

01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:14,514

Just quick Google search.

: 1243

01:16:15,514 --> 01:16:18,094

And I think that has a lot to do with it.

: 1244

01:16:18,484 --> 01:16:22,734

And I think it's media based on some, like

we are tearing down the family household.

: 1245

01:16:23,734 --> 01:16:29,114

And I think that is a lot of

problems, not just firearm related.

: 1246

01:16:29,174 --> 01:16:35,264

I just overall, I think there is a

ton of issues that the traditional

: 1247

01:16:35,264 --> 01:16:42,114

family is almost being looked at as

like a, that's not right anymore.

: 1248

01:16:42,714 --> 01:16:44,904

And I think that causes a lot of problems.

: 1249

01:16:44,964 --> 01:16:49,284

And I don't remember, I may, I should

probably shouldn't even say it, but

: 1250

01:16:49,764 --> 01:16:58,724

there was a Russian or German guy a long

time ago, sixties maybe, that talked if

: 1251

01:16:58,724 --> 01:17:00,644

I was to tear down the United States.

: 1252

01:17:00,644 --> 01:17:04,273

And he basically wrote the

playbook of how he would do it and

: 1253

01:17:04,273 --> 01:17:06,134

it's all playing out right now.

: 1254

01:17:06,764 --> 01:17:06,974

Josiah: Yep.

: 1255

01:17:07,544 --> 01:17:10,064

Richie: And I don't remember names and

I don't remember exactly what he said.

: 1256

01:17:10,064 --> 01:17:11,954

I just remember hearing it

one time and I was like, holy

: 1257

01:17:11,954 --> 01:17:13,814

crap, that is wildly accurate.

: 1258

01:17:14,814 --> 01:17:17,454

And so that tells me, are we.

: 1259

01:17:18,454 --> 01:17:24,693

As a country, as a bigger whatever, are

we purposely trying to make everything

: 1260

01:17:24,693 --> 01:17:31,523

decisive to start continually dividing

the people, you know, and so that

: 1261

01:17:31,523 --> 01:17:38,754

everybody's fighting with everyone

and it, it's crazy to me that we've

: 1262

01:17:38,754 --> 01:17:40,434

gotten this decisive with stuff.

: 1263

01:17:40,464 --> 01:17:45,204

Yeah, you can't have a conversation if you

didn't vote for the same party anymore.

: 1264

01:17:45,209 --> 01:17:45,469

Right.

: 1265

01:17:45,684 --> 01:17:45,954

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1266

01:17:45,954 --> 01:17:49,554

Richie: and I still have buddies that

are clearly I'm on the right and I have

: 1267

01:17:49,554 --> 01:17:54,324

buddies on the left, and I can still

have conversations with them, thankfully.

: 1268

01:17:55,014 --> 01:17:59,604

But then I also have friends that I

have genuinely lost that we were very

: 1269

01:17:59,604 --> 01:18:04,754

close, that I'm like you can't have

a conversation with 'em because the

: 1270

01:18:04,754 --> 01:18:08,594

minute you say something different,

you're a racist, you're a bigot.

: 1271

01:18:08,624 --> 01:18:10,809

You know, you don't care

about this group of people.

: 1272

01:18:10,809 --> 01:18:14,779

You don't care about that group of

people, and I don't talk to 'em anymore.

: 1273

01:18:15,779 --> 01:18:20,519

Jerremy: Yeah, and I think what

you mentioned Richie earlier was,

: 1274

01:18:21,029 --> 01:18:23,039

is someone doing this on purpose?

: 1275

01:18:23,039 --> 01:18:27,389

And I don't know if the answer to that

is yes, but what I can say is we do

: 1276

01:18:27,389 --> 01:18:31,829

not truly have a lot of leadership that

does exactly what you mentioned, which

: 1277

01:18:31,829 --> 01:18:34,079

is let's all have a communication.

: 1278

01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:35,469

Right.

: 1279

01:18:35,559 --> 01:18:40,029

Let's make and have some really

beautiful open dialogue also, because

: 1280

01:18:40,029 --> 01:18:41,679

it's not really taught in school, right?

: 1281

01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:46,509

You have one orator essentially that

presents on a topic, and this is

: 1282

01:18:46,509 --> 01:18:50,019

truth and do not argue with me, right?

: 1283

01:18:50,079 --> 01:18:53,349

I gave you your answers on your

quiz or your test, and this is

: 1284

01:18:53,349 --> 01:18:54,909

the right way or the wrong way.

: 1285

01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:59,289

And so we're judging a lot of people early

on by what they're doing or what they're

: 1286

01:18:59,289 --> 01:19:01,059

not doing based on one person's opinion.

: 1287

01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:03,789

And that kind of like trickles

down the entire system.

: 1288

01:19:03,789 --> 01:19:06,609

Where again, right now, we all

know that we have President Trump,

: 1289

01:19:06,609 --> 01:19:11,079

and we would all agree that he's

more divisive than not, right?

: 1290

01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:13,889

He's not like, Hey, everyone

should be hanging out and talking

: 1291

01:19:13,889 --> 01:19:17,068

and having a good time and we

should be growing together, right?

: 1292

01:19:17,068 --> 01:19:18,959

He's not really that direction.

: 1293

01:19:19,559 --> 01:19:23,898

Uh, he instantly blamed a certain

political group, uh, after Charlie

: 1294

01:19:23,898 --> 01:19:28,879

Kirk's death, which I thought was, uh,

a misappropriation of time and space for

: 1295

01:19:28,879 --> 01:19:30,559

what he could have done a lot better.

: 1296

01:19:30,949 --> 01:19:36,019

But ultimately for me, one thing that

I definitely agree with all of you on,

: 1297

01:19:36,019 --> 01:19:42,529

and I really have always is we do need

to have more ability of conversation

: 1298

01:19:42,619 --> 01:19:47,629

from both sides so that we can learn and

people have to start practicing that.

: 1299

01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:51,079

I mean, not only are we practicing

it right now, but what we're gonna

: 1300

01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:55,739

continue to do is have conversations

with people that go, listen, let's

: 1301

01:19:55,739 --> 01:19:59,519

agree to disagree, but let's also

find out where I might be incorrect.

: 1302

01:20:00,029 --> 01:20:01,559

Where you might be incorrect.

: 1303

01:20:01,589 --> 01:20:05,309

And let's see if there's any bridge

that can be formulated between the two

: 1304

01:20:05,579 --> 01:20:10,689

so that we both can either merge to a

middle ground or we can at least agree

: 1305

01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:14,349

with each other and still be friends,

still be good networks, still be good

: 1306

01:20:14,349 --> 01:20:17,469

business partners, and start moving

on to something bigger and better

: 1307

01:20:17,469 --> 01:20:19,339

and more prosperous for the nation.

: 1308

01:20:19,609 --> 01:20:21,829

That's one thing that I really

feel like our leadership

: 1309

01:20:21,829 --> 01:20:23,096

has done a very poor job of,

: 1310

01:20:23,096 --> 01:20:27,416

Richie: And something to speak on that

I think part of that problem to why a

: 1311

01:20:27,416 --> 01:20:33,266

lot of people can't have conversations

anymore is they are fed the information

: 1312

01:20:33,386 --> 01:20:37,226

that their side is, whether it's right

or wrong, and that's what they believe.

: 1313

01:20:37,586 --> 01:20:44,376

And it is so hard to find one

accountability to the truth, and you don't

: 1314

01:20:44,376 --> 01:20:47,796

know what's real and what's not, because

there's so much information out there,

: 1315

01:20:47,796 --> 01:20:49,746

there's so much disinformation out there.

: 1316

01:20:50,046 --> 01:20:51,906

Sometimes it's real, sometimes it's not.

: 1317

01:20:52,206 --> 01:20:55,056

Well, if you're on the side of

you believe the disinformation and

: 1318

01:20:55,056 --> 01:20:59,116

you don't know any better because,

so you're gonna argue that point.

: 1319

01:20:59,806 --> 01:21:02,656

And same on the other side.

: 1320

01:21:02,686 --> 01:21:04,786

You may be on the side of the truth.

: 1321

01:21:05,206 --> 01:21:07,756

You may not know it, it was just

the information you were given.

: 1322

01:21:08,756 --> 01:21:14,956

And so there's so little accountability to

getting the actual information out there.

: 1323

01:21:15,376 --> 01:21:15,586

Yeah.

: 1324

01:21:15,976 --> 01:21:17,026

That is real.

: 1325

01:21:17,146 --> 01:21:20,746

Using the Charlie Kirk, how

many conspiracies have come

: 1326

01:21:20,746 --> 01:21:21,856

out since he's been killed?

: 1327

01:21:22,856 --> 01:21:23,901

Jerremy: Already, like stuff,

: 1328

01:21:24,001 --> 01:21:24,836

Richie: oh my gosh.

: 1329

01:21:24,836 --> 01:21:25,316

Jerremy: familiar with.

: 1330

01:21:25,316 --> 01:21:25,526

Richie: Yeah.

: 1331

01:21:25,616 --> 01:21:29,486

Like my wife went down the

rabbit hole and I finally just

: 1332

01:21:29,486 --> 01:21:31,046

had to tell her, please stop.

: 1333

01:21:31,146 --> 01:21:34,925

I don't know what's real and what's

not, but I know this is ridiculous

: 1334

01:21:35,925 --> 01:21:39,026

and we need better accountability.

: 1335

01:21:39,086 --> 01:21:41,246

And I think that starts

with the media, honestly.

: 1336

01:21:41,636 --> 01:21:41,756

Yeah.

: 1337

01:21:41,786 --> 01:21:44,636

Uh, if you're gonna put something

out there and it's fake, there

: 1338

01:21:44,636 --> 01:21:46,196

should be consequences for it.

: 1339

01:21:47,196 --> 01:21:48,126

That's what I think.

: 1340

01:21:48,186 --> 01:21:50,466

And call it free speech,

call it whatever you want.

: 1341

01:21:51,156 --> 01:21:54,186

But at a certain point you're

just a propaganda tool.

: 1342

01:21:54,246 --> 01:21:56,686

And that's part of the problem.

: 1343

01:21:56,691 --> 01:21:56,891

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1344

01:21:56,896 --> 01:22:01,386

Well, this'll be, um, maybe an overarching

point that actually does circle back,

: 1345

01:22:01,386 --> 01:22:03,336

Dave to a previous discussion that we had.

: 1346

01:22:03,816 --> 01:22:09,246

You know, we gentlemen went in depth on

prison reform and we talked to judges,

: 1347

01:22:09,246 --> 01:22:16,026

we talked to prison inmates, we talked

to police officers, we talked to ex felon

: 1348

01:22:16,086 --> 01:22:18,156

or current felons that are out of prison.

: 1349

01:22:18,546 --> 01:22:22,146

We had some really deep discussions

on it, and that was a word that was

: 1350

01:22:22,146 --> 01:22:23,976

used relatively often accountability.

: 1351

01:22:24,636 --> 01:22:28,086

And one of the groups of people that

aren't really held accountable, that does

: 1352

01:22:28,086 --> 01:22:30,666

have a big trickle down effect is judges.

: 1353

01:22:31,596 --> 01:22:31,776

Hmm.

: 1354

01:22:31,806 --> 01:22:36,425

When a judge says, alright,

cool, you didn't kill somebody,

: 1355

01:22:36,906 --> 01:22:37,925

and they actually did.

: 1356

01:22:38,925 --> 01:22:43,516

Or because a judge can override a

jury, I'm sure you guys all know this.

: 1357

01:22:43,576 --> 01:22:43,666

Mm-hmm.

: 1358

01:22:43,906 --> 01:22:44,146

Right.

: 1359

01:22:44,196 --> 01:22:44,706

Number one.

: 1360

01:22:44,706 --> 01:22:48,936

But number two is like you guys

mentioned, someone having a rap

: 1361

01:22:48,936 --> 01:22:51,751

sheet of 14, 15 arrests mm-hmm.

: 1362

01:22:51,876 --> 01:22:54,246

And going on killing someone else.

: 1363

01:22:55,246 --> 01:22:58,186

how come no one's being held

accountable to any of these standards?

: 1364

01:22:58,376 --> 01:22:59,816

Back to the whole felon piece.

: 1365

01:22:59,816 --> 01:23:03,446

Like, okay, you start getting too

many arrests and you're still getting

: 1366

01:23:03,446 --> 01:23:07,986

a gun illegally and you get caught

and they go back on the streets a

: 1367

01:23:07,986 --> 01:23:09,306

short period of time afterwards.

: 1368

01:23:09,636 --> 01:23:13,506

So there is, I love the word

accountability and I do believe

: 1369

01:23:13,506 --> 01:23:17,286

that there is a big metric of

that missing in this country.

: 1370

01:23:17,336 --> 01:23:19,211

Accountability from a

lot of different sides.

: 1371

01:23:19,851 --> 01:23:21,111

'Cause you're, you're both right.

: 1372

01:23:21,161 --> 01:23:25,961

you have free speech and then you

have blatantly lying that conjures

: 1373

01:23:25,961 --> 01:23:28,751

up fear that conjures up riots.

: 1374

01:23:28,781 --> 01:23:29,021

Right?

: 1375

01:23:29,021 --> 01:23:33,251

There are certain speeches and terms of

speech that cannot be used openly and

: 1376

01:23:33,251 --> 01:23:36,141

publicly And, hate speech is one of them.

: 1377

01:23:36,631 --> 01:23:36,871

Mm-hmm.

: 1378

01:23:37,871 --> 01:23:40,601

I think the accountability piece

is missing and I don't know exactly

: 1379

01:23:40,601 --> 01:23:43,681

where that stems from or exactly

what that ultimate fix looks like,

: 1380

01:23:43,681 --> 01:23:47,641

but there's gonna be certain, pegs

in the circle board of this country

: 1381

01:23:47,641 --> 01:23:49,471

that is missing accountability.

: 1382

01:23:49,771 --> 01:23:54,571

And I think the more that we as a

nation just talk about that openly.

: 1383

01:23:54,901 --> 01:23:59,550

And discuss that openly and have these

convictions where it's like, this is a

: 1384

01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:03,991

real big problem and we have to start

actually addressing it and working

: 1385

01:24:03,991 --> 01:24:08,521

on creating a good solution for it,

rather than just arguing about it.

: 1386

01:24:09,031 --> 01:24:13,441

There are people that can start

making these really powerful choices

: 1387

01:24:13,471 --> 01:24:18,101

that actually create not only

accountability, but true change as well.

: 1388

01:24:18,181 --> 01:24:18,271

Mm-hmm.

: 1389

01:24:19,271 --> 01:24:23,141

Alright, so do a lightning

round just for a few minutes.

: 1390

01:24:24,141 --> 01:24:27,201

Let's talk about 10 seconds.

: 1391

01:24:28,201 --> 01:24:29,401

Why do you own guns?

: 1392

01:24:29,761 --> 01:24:30,001

Go.

: 1393

01:24:30,421 --> 01:24:30,931

Let's go.

: 1394

01:24:31,021 --> 01:24:32,011

Josiah first.

: 1395

01:24:32,401 --> 01:24:33,031

10 seconds.

: 1396

01:24:33,031 --> 01:24:33,706

Why do you own guns?

: 1397

01:24:34,466 --> 01:24:38,731

Josiah: I own guns to protect for

my family, provide for my family

: 1398

01:24:38,731 --> 01:24:41,791

in a grid down situation where

you can't go to the grocery store.

: 1399

01:24:42,791 --> 01:24:48,531

And if ever needed stand up as a

modern day minute man against foreign

: 1400

01:24:48,531 --> 01:24:51,361

invasion or tyrannical government.

: 1401

01:24:52,361 --> 01:24:52,691

Jerremy: Love it.

: 1402

01:24:52,721 --> 01:24:53,741

Richie, why do you own guns?

: 1403

01:24:54,741 --> 01:24:58,066

Richie: Protection of the family,

and I'm a lifelong hunter.

: 1404

01:24:58,696 --> 01:25:00,646

I provide for my family with meat.

: 1405

01:25:01,606 --> 01:25:04,696

I kill several deer a

year, and that's our meat.

: 1406

01:25:04,696 --> 01:25:06,586

We don't buy meat at the grocery store.

: 1407

01:25:07,296 --> 01:25:10,686

So it's a providing factor, but

it is also a protection factor.

: 1408

01:25:11,376 --> 01:25:11,646

Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

: 1409

01:25:12,646 --> 01:25:17,416

Josiah, what do you wish people who were

scared of guns would straight up ask you,

: 1410

01:25:18,416 --> 01:25:20,486

Josiah: Hey, would you be willing

to take me to the range for a day?

: 1411

01:25:21,486 --> 01:25:21,846

Jerremy: Love it.

: 1412

01:25:21,996 --> 01:25:24,666

Richie, someone who's scared of guns

what do you want them to ask you?

: 1413

01:25:25,666 --> 01:25:27,646

Richie: Help me understand or show me how,

: 1414

01:25:28,646 --> 01:25:30,056

Jerremy: back to the

education piece, right?

: 1415

01:25:30,246 --> 01:25:35,316

Richie: It's, I can't tell you how

many times someone would come in

: 1416

01:25:35,856 --> 01:25:37,506

and say, Hey, I wanna buy this gun.

: 1417

01:25:38,506 --> 01:25:39,436

And I would go, okay.

: 1418

01:25:39,536 --> 01:25:43,376

And women especially like

this was a big one for women.

: 1419

01:25:43,376 --> 01:25:44,966

They'd be like, I want a Glock 19.

: 1420

01:25:45,116 --> 01:25:46,916

I'm like, eh, do you though?

: 1421

01:25:47,876 --> 01:25:52,166

And by the time they left, they

walked out with a 3 57 revolver.

: 1422

01:25:53,166 --> 01:25:54,456

Because why?

: 1423

01:25:54,876 --> 01:25:57,726

Women are less likely

to be as trained, right.

: 1424

01:25:57,996 --> 01:26:00,546

Won't do in the military

or, defensive actions.

: 1425

01:26:00,966 --> 01:26:05,916

And so when they pull out of their

purse, are they gonna be strong

: 1426

01:26:05,916 --> 01:26:07,686

enough to rack one if it's not loaded?

: 1427

01:26:07,986 --> 01:26:09,726

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

: 1428

01:26:09,726 --> 01:26:14,496

My wife can't rack a Glock 19, but she

can shoot the hell out of her 3 57.

: 1429

01:26:15,036 --> 01:26:18,936

And so it's point and shoot, but

it's double action, like Josiah said

: 1430

01:26:18,936 --> 01:26:21,425

earlier, it is safer for her to have.

: 1431

01:26:22,425 --> 01:26:22,696

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1432

01:26:23,086 --> 01:26:23,925

That's fascinating.

: 1433

01:26:24,586 --> 01:26:26,326

That's a really, really interesting point.

: 1434

01:26:26,836 --> 01:26:27,856

Alright, hit me with this one guys.

: 1435

01:26:28,856 --> 01:26:35,056

What's a time that you were dead

wrong about something gun related, and

: 1436

01:26:35,056 --> 01:26:36,226

what did you learn from that moment?

: 1437

01:26:37,226 --> 01:26:39,321

Josiah: How I had no idea how

important the trigger was.

: 1438

01:26:40,321 --> 01:26:45,631

And I know that comes off funny, but as

far as it relates to accuracy I was doing

: 1439

01:26:45,631 --> 01:26:52,281

a DMR designated marksman rifle class

with a group of guys that I trained with.

: 1440

01:26:53,121 --> 01:27:00,451

And, um, we were just zeroing in our

scopes, which you do at a hundred yards.

: 1441

01:27:00,541 --> 01:27:01,441

Mm-hmm.

: 1442

01:27:01,681 --> 01:27:06,300

And, um, I had built a new upper but

hadn't built a new lower for this rifle.

: 1443

01:27:06,391 --> 01:27:10,831

And so I had it on my regular battle

rifle, lower, and I was shooting like

: 1444

01:27:10,831 --> 01:27:14,311

one foot groups, like I would shoot

three shots and they would be, there

: 1445

01:27:14,311 --> 01:27:15,901

would be like a foot between 'em, right?

: 1446

01:27:15,901 --> 01:27:17,971

One here and one here, and

one in the middle, right?

: 1447

01:27:18,971 --> 01:27:22,751

And I put my, long story short, I put my

upper on another guy's lower that had a

: 1448

01:27:22,751 --> 01:27:27,701

way better trigger, and all of a sudden

you could cover my group with a quarter.

: 1449

01:27:28,701 --> 01:27:32,931

And that was some, like, I would've

sworn to you before that, that the

: 1450

01:27:32,931 --> 01:27:37,281

type of trigger that you have doesn't

play that big of a role in accuracy.

: 1451

01:27:37,671 --> 01:27:39,861

And in that moment, I was

absolutely dead wrong.

: 1452

01:27:40,861 --> 01:27:41,011

Jerremy: And to

: 1453

01:27:41,011 --> 01:27:41,521

Josiah: learn from that.

: 1454

01:27:41,521 --> 01:27:42,991

I've incorporated that ever since.

: 1455

01:27:43,991 --> 01:27:44,711

Jerremy: Absolutely.

: 1456

01:27:44,981 --> 01:27:45,251

Yeah.

: 1457

01:27:45,341 --> 01:27:45,731

Love that.

: 1458

01:27:45,731 --> 01:27:46,601

Thank you, Richie.

: 1459

01:27:47,601 --> 01:27:48,741

Richie: I honestly don't know.

: 1460

01:27:48,741 --> 01:27:53,881

I've never had that question asked,

and I don't, I'm not a gun expert,

: 1461

01:27:53,881 --> 01:27:56,491

but like, I don't know that I've ever

been wrong because I've never really

: 1462

01:27:56,491 --> 01:27:57,991

been in the situation to be wrong.

: 1463

01:27:57,991 --> 01:28:00,641

I guess I don't, that one's weird.

: 1464

01:28:00,641 --> 01:28:01,241

I'm sorry.

: 1465

01:28:01,751 --> 01:28:02,591

Jerremy: No, it's all good.

: 1466

01:28:03,231 --> 01:28:05,991

Richie: I'm sure there's plenty of

stuff I've been wrong on, but I just

: 1467

01:28:05,991 --> 01:28:07,431

can't think of anything off the top.

: 1468

01:28:08,151 --> 01:28:10,431

Jerremy: Well, I mean, let's

go back to your sale days.

: 1469

01:28:10,701 --> 01:28:13,161

You know, when you were selling

some, did someone say something to

: 1470

01:28:13,521 --> 01:28:15,861

the extent of like, no, that fire

is actually faster than you thought

: 1471

01:28:15,861 --> 01:28:19,431

it was, or that actually has more

of a recoil than you told me it did.

: 1472

01:28:20,431 --> 01:28:20,761

Richie: Yeah.

: 1473

01:28:20,761 --> 01:28:22,800

I guess you could say

maybe something like that.

: 1474

01:28:22,901 --> 01:28:28,151

So I used to sell, when I worked

at a national chain, very large

: 1475

01:28:28,151 --> 01:28:33,931

national chain I would sell high-end

shotguns, like over and unders or like

: 1476

01:28:33,936 --> 01:28:36,421

benellis, Berettas hunting shotguns.

: 1477

01:28:37,291 --> 01:28:42,391

And I actually was telling this guy

about a gun, something to do with

: 1478

01:28:42,391 --> 01:28:45,931

the firing mechanism, the bolt,

the rack for a super black eagle.

: 1479

01:28:46,471 --> 01:28:48,601

And he completely schooled me on that.

: 1480

01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:52,741

And from then on I knew exactly how to

deal and I could completely break down a

: 1481

01:28:52,741 --> 01:28:55,861

super black eagle blindfolded after that.

: 1482

01:28:55,891 --> 01:28:58,741

But he's just showed me a

different way to break it down.

: 1483

01:28:58,791 --> 01:28:58,941

Yeah,

: 1484

01:28:58,946 --> 01:28:59,366

Jerremy: there you go.

: 1485

01:28:59,441 --> 01:29:00,101

that works.

: 1486

01:29:00,581 --> 01:29:01,931

Dave, do you have any other questions?

: 1487

01:29:01,931 --> 01:29:04,691

Anything that's weighing on your

mind or heart or soul presently?

: 1488

01:29:04,931 --> 01:29:07,601

Dave: No, I'm just digesting

all of this great information.

: 1489

01:29:07,601 --> 01:29:08,201

It's really,

: 1490

01:29:08,231 --> 01:29:08,481

Jerremy: Yeah.

: 1491

01:29:08,481 --> 01:29:10,161

This was a beautiful,

beautiful conversation.

: 1492

01:29:10,191 --> 01:29:14,691

'cause again, I think you both know

this, but just in case, my main goal

: 1493

01:29:14,691 --> 01:29:19,791

of this podcast is to listen to people,

to really formulate ideas, formulate

: 1494

01:29:19,791 --> 01:29:23,901

opinions, become constantly surprised

how everything is gonna come back

: 1495

01:29:23,901 --> 01:29:26,361

to education and education reform.

: 1496

01:29:26,361 --> 01:29:29,271

And every single person that I talk

to is like, yep, we need to change the

: 1497

01:29:29,271 --> 01:29:31,971

schools and we need to change them badly.

: 1498

01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:33,501

We need to change what we talk about.

: 1499

01:29:33,501 --> 01:29:34,911

We need to change what's

discussed in there.

: 1500

01:29:34,911 --> 01:29:35,871

We need to change the material.

: 1501

01:29:35,871 --> 01:29:36,861

We need to change the format.

: 1502

01:29:36,861 --> 01:29:40,671

We need to change a lot of

the education in this country.

: 1503

01:29:41,061 --> 01:29:48,631

And the goal of this is to learn to take

some of the most divisive, challenging,

: 1504

01:29:48,691 --> 01:29:53,131

scary topics and converse with both sides.

: 1505

01:29:53,131 --> 01:29:57,991

Converse with people that have different

opinions religiously, economically,

: 1506

01:29:57,991 --> 01:30:02,221

socially, monetarily, to just really

understand and know where they're at,

: 1507

01:30:02,221 --> 01:30:05,941

where their heart's at, what they're

feeling, and then how we can create actual

: 1508

01:30:05,941 --> 01:30:11,401

sustainable, probably maybe even small

and relatively agreeable changes that

: 1509

01:30:11,401 --> 01:30:17,011

does move the needle and gets us closer

to solving some of America's problems.

: 1510

01:30:17,061 --> 01:30:20,031

I am very aware that you

can't solve all of them.

: 1511

01:30:20,091 --> 01:30:22,261

Alright, Josie, I think you

did a great job of mentioning

: 1512

01:30:22,261 --> 01:30:23,311

that and just being real.

: 1513

01:30:23,311 --> 01:30:27,671

It's guys, there's no way that

we go, boop, and now evil's gone.

: 1514

01:30:27,671 --> 01:30:28,211

Thank you.

: 1515

01:30:28,661 --> 01:30:28,781

Right?

: 1516

01:30:28,781 --> 01:30:30,401

That's not gonna happen, right?

: 1517

01:30:30,401 --> 01:30:33,221

We won't have that power and we can never

imagine that we're gonna have that power.

: 1518

01:30:33,221 --> 01:30:35,831

But what we can do is we can go, all

right, based on what we do know and

: 1519

01:30:35,831 --> 01:30:39,191

based on all of the evidence, which we're

gonna continue to compile throughout

: 1520

01:30:39,191 --> 01:30:42,521

this podcast, but take a lot of that

evidence and we tweak it into, again,

: 1521

01:30:42,521 --> 01:30:47,161

some sustainable bite-sized actionable

things that we really can create beautiful

: 1522

01:30:47,161 --> 01:30:49,050

change and create some awesome solutions.

: 1523

01:30:49,591 --> 01:30:54,151

So with that being stated, Josiah, is

there anything else that you would like to

: 1524

01:30:54,151 --> 01:30:57,748

leave our listeners with or promote today?

: 1525

01:30:57,748 --> 01:30:59,218

Josiah: Anything I'd like to promote?

: 1526

01:30:59,528 --> 01:31:01,358

You know, we touched on

this a couple of times.

: 1527

01:31:01,407 --> 01:31:04,827

the epidemic of heart

disease in this country.

: 1528

01:31:04,827 --> 01:31:07,758

You know, we've been talking about a

topic that, on the high end, including

: 1529

01:31:07,758 --> 01:31:11,238

suicides is like 60,000 people

a year, I think is what we said.

: 1530

01:31:11,988 --> 01:31:15,948

People who die of heart disease,

600 to 80,000 people a year.

: 1531

01:31:16,648 --> 01:31:18,508

Almost 700,000 people.

: 1532

01:31:18,563 --> 01:31:25,188

Um, and this goes systemically back to

how jacked up our food supply has gotten.

: 1533

01:31:25,827 --> 01:31:28,978

And uh, I recently, back

in July, launched a.

: 1534

01:31:29,863 --> 01:31:33,543

Company that, is intending

to do something about that.

: 1535

01:31:34,303 --> 01:31:38,053

And a long story behind it personally,

you know how I came up with this

: 1536

01:31:38,053 --> 01:31:39,343

and everything, but check it out.

: 1537

01:31:39,733 --> 01:31:43,153

The story on the website and

everything, it's dads ranch.com.

: 1538

01:31:43,963 --> 01:31:46,423

D-A-D-S-R-A-N-C-H.

: 1539

01:31:46,753 --> 01:31:50,873

Well, the way it came about was when I

created it, I mixed it up in a sour cream

: 1540

01:31:50,873 --> 01:31:57,053

tub and, um, I took a Sharpie and I wrote

Dad's Ranch on the top of it, just so

: 1541

01:31:57,053 --> 01:31:59,933

the rest of my family would know that

it wasn't a regular tub of sour cream.

: 1542

01:32:00,933 --> 01:32:02,013

and then I was like, you know what?

: 1543

01:32:02,013 --> 01:32:05,433

I think this would help a lot of

other people stick with clean eating,

: 1544

01:32:05,943 --> 01:32:07,202

which is what it's done for me.

: 1545

01:32:07,693 --> 01:32:11,473

I mean, I've lost 25, 30

pounds in the last five months.

: 1546

01:32:11,473 --> 01:32:13,243

I'm in the best shape of my adult life.

: 1547

01:32:13,243 --> 01:32:13,303

Wow.

: 1548

01:32:13,353 --> 01:32:17,013

I recently did two Spartan races

back to back in one weekend.

: 1549

01:32:17,553 --> 01:32:20,733

Guys, when I tell you that six months ago,

that would've quite literally killed me.

: 1550

01:32:21,282 --> 01:32:25,873

And so anyway, my point in all of this

is the whole point of dad's ranch is

: 1551

01:32:25,873 --> 01:32:29,863

to try to help people stick with clean

eating, because that's what it did for me.

: 1552

01:32:30,313 --> 01:32:34,193

And if people can do that and

get on that bandwagon mm-hmm.

: 1553

01:32:34,508 --> 01:32:38,903

Um, we can make a massively

meaningful dent in that 680,000

: 1554

01:32:38,993 --> 01:32:43,023

people a year that simply do not

have to die of heart disease.

: 1555

01:32:43,563 --> 01:32:49,683

My dad, uh, has been a carnivore for

five years and he got off of all.

: 1556

01:32:50,028 --> 01:32:53,628

Of his blood pressure and cholesterol

medications as a result of that.

: 1557

01:32:53,733 --> 01:32:57,423

So you talk about somebody who is headed

down kind of that same road, right?

: 1558

01:32:57,423 --> 01:32:59,553

They put you on the statins

and all that kind of stuff.

: 1559

01:32:59,553 --> 01:33:00,003

Right.

: 1560

01:33:00,433 --> 01:33:02,263

That's now being linked to Alzheimer's.

: 1561

01:33:02,263 --> 01:33:02,503

Right.

: 1562

01:33:02,503 --> 01:33:04,633

It's this big slope.

: 1563

01:33:05,633 --> 01:33:08,923

I think that's something that we can

really have an impact on as far as

: 1564

01:33:08,923 --> 01:33:10,273

lives that don't need to be lost.

: 1565

01:33:11,273 --> 01:33:11,782

Jerremy: I love that.

: 1566

01:33:12,383 --> 01:33:15,053

You know, I just, when you started

talking about this, uh, I had a

: 1567

01:33:15,053 --> 01:33:16,163

vision that popped in my head.

: 1568

01:33:16,433 --> 01:33:18,683

I'm just gonna put this out on

you guys because I think it'd be

: 1569

01:33:18,683 --> 01:33:23,413

a fun non-profit if you were ever

able or willing to create one.

: 1570

01:33:23,833 --> 01:33:30,583

But going into very densely populated

cities and having certain children

: 1571

01:33:30,583 --> 01:33:35,313

or youth go out into the woods

and hunt deer for meat, because

: 1572

01:33:35,363 --> 01:33:36,443

Wouldn't that be fantastic?

: 1573

01:33:36,443 --> 01:33:36,623

Right.

: 1574

01:33:36,623 --> 01:33:39,113

Because again, going to the

education component, you're right.

: 1575

01:33:39,113 --> 01:33:41,603

Hearing Richie say, I don't go

to the grocery store for meat.

: 1576

01:33:42,173 --> 01:33:46,043

I mean, that is a very, very

fascinating conversation to have.

: 1577

01:33:46,073 --> 01:33:51,573

And ironically enough,

Richie's pretty healthy, right?

: 1578

01:33:51,873 --> 01:33:56,098

Like the way that we eat, what we put

into our body fuels everything that we

: 1579

01:33:56,098 --> 01:33:58,528

do, the way we feel, the way we move.

: 1580

01:33:59,128 --> 01:34:03,523

And I do think that that's an extremely

interesting topic to bring up.

: 1581

01:34:03,893 --> 01:34:05,693

And I think it's such a poignant piece.

: 1582

01:34:06,338 --> 01:34:12,308

Josiah just about clean eating is

putting so little emphasis on that as

: 1583

01:34:12,308 --> 01:34:15,788

it relates to how many people die every

year, again, related to potentially

: 1584

01:34:15,788 --> 01:34:17,588

gun deaths and oh my goodness.

: 1585

01:34:17,588 --> 01:34:22,088

Things that scare people internationally

where you just take a global presence and

: 1586

01:34:22,088 --> 01:34:27,008

going, well, we're totally comfortable

and happy to deregulate food so that

: 1587

01:34:27,008 --> 01:34:30,038

people in big companies can make

more money and process more sugar.

: 1588

01:34:30,468 --> 01:34:33,418

Like I'm a huge proponent on

a sugar tax in this country.

: 1589

01:34:33,788 --> 01:34:37,088

if your package has a certain amount

of sugar, which I think would be

: 1590

01:34:37,088 --> 01:34:41,198

like 10 grams or more, you're gonna

have to pay more for it in the story.

: 1591

01:34:41,768 --> 01:34:42,098

Yep.

: 1592

01:34:42,698 --> 01:34:44,138

Josiah: So there's deeper

problems there too.

: 1593

01:34:44,198 --> 01:34:47,528

There's other things that act like

sugar and create insulin spikes

: 1594

01:34:47,528 --> 01:34:50,088

that people don't even know, that

don't have to be labeled as sugar.

: 1595

01:34:50,448 --> 01:34:51,138

Jerremy: Mm-hmm.

: 1596

01:34:51,378 --> 01:34:55,758

Josiah: So we need to do a whole episode

if not a series on that right there.

: 1597

01:34:55,873 --> 01:34:56,273

Jerremy: love it.

: 1598

01:34:56,508 --> 01:34:57,048

Alright.

: 1599

01:34:57,048 --> 01:34:59,748

What about you my friend, Richie?

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01:34:59,748 --> 01:35:02,088

Anything you would like to

share or promote with our

: 1601

01:35:02,088 --> 01:35:03,588

listeners today as we wrap up?

: 1602

01:35:04,588 --> 01:35:06,178

Richie: Have an open mind.

: 1603

01:35:06,358 --> 01:35:08,998

Don't be so rooted in only one belief.

: 1604

01:35:08,998 --> 01:35:13,618

Be able to listen and have a conversation,

especially on a topic as decisive as guns.

: 1605

01:35:14,278 --> 01:35:15,478

Like I understand.

: 1606

01:35:16,093 --> 01:35:19,213

I think the next episode y'all are

gonna have someone on the other side

: 1607

01:35:19,213 --> 01:35:22,403

of the coin that y'all are gonna

talk to or something like that.

: 1608

01:35:22,883 --> 01:35:25,733

And I fully understand where

they're probably going through

: 1609

01:35:25,733 --> 01:35:28,433

if they've been through some sort

of gun violence or why they would

: 1610

01:35:28,433 --> 01:35:30,583

have a hatred or distrust for guns.

: 1611

01:35:31,362 --> 01:35:34,903

But I think both sides need to have

an open mind and listen to what

: 1612

01:35:34,903 --> 01:35:38,713

the other is saying, because again,

you'll probably agree on more than

: 1613

01:35:38,713 --> 01:35:40,843

you think you may learn something.

: 1614

01:35:41,593 --> 01:35:47,983

And if there was more conversation

between the two, there would probably

: 1615

01:35:47,983 --> 01:35:50,293

be more education and learning.

: 1616

01:35:50,923 --> 01:35:55,833

And you might even bring some of those non

gun owners over to owning a gun because

: 1617

01:35:55,833 --> 01:36:00,032

they've been properly trained, they've

been properly taught, I'm raising three

: 1618

01:36:00,032 --> 01:36:01,973

right now that are gonna be gun owners.

: 1619

01:36:01,973 --> 01:36:03,263

I can almost guarantee it.

: 1620

01:36:03,293 --> 01:36:05,903

But they're being taught and

educated in the right way.

: 1621

01:36:06,413 --> 01:36:10,313

And I think if we do that as

a collective group, both sides

: 1622

01:36:11,243 --> 01:36:14,123

cut this partisan b bs out.

: 1623

01:36:15,093 --> 01:36:18,253

I think we would figure out that the

problem's probably not as big as we

: 1624

01:36:18,253 --> 01:36:22,702

think it is and that we can learn and

do better and move forward with it.

: 1625

01:36:22,808 --> 01:36:23,168

Jerremy: Love it.

: 1626

01:36:24,168 --> 01:36:25,638

Well, gentlemen, thank

you so much for your time.

: 1627

01:36:25,638 --> 01:36:26,628

Thank you for your experience.

: 1628

01:36:26,628 --> 01:36:30,348

Thanks for your expertise,

your stories, your energy.

: 1629

01:36:30,348 --> 01:36:34,398

Thanks for being incredible

American citizens and.

: 1630

01:36:35,398 --> 01:36:39,657

I appreciate you being a part

of solving America's problems.

: 1631

01:36:40,558 --> 01:36:41,368

Josiah: Thank you for the invite.

: 1632

01:36:41,758 --> 01:36:41,968

Jerremy: Yeah, sir.

: 1633

01:36:42,088 --> 01:36:42,298

Thank

: 1634

01:36:42,298 --> 01:36:43,138

Richie: y'all very much.

: 1635

01:36:43,138 --> 01:36:43,918

We appreciate it.

: 1636

01:36:44,157 --> 01:36:44,368

Jerremy: Yep.

: 1637

01:36:44,368 --> 01:36:44,938

You guys got it.

: 1638

01:36:45,028 --> 01:36:45,388

Thank you.

: 1639

01:36:46,388 --> 01:36:47,987

Fun fun,

: 1640

01:36:48,168 --> 01:36:48,753

Dave: What'd you learn?

: 1641

01:36:49,753 --> 01:36:50,083

Jerremy: bro.

: 1642

01:36:50,083 --> 01:36:55,032

I learned that my dog, Dave Conley,

was ready with some scripture.

: 1643

01:36:55,123 --> 01:36:56,862

I was excited about that.

: 1644

01:36:57,418 --> 01:36:58,468

Dave: I've been studying up a little.

: 1645

01:36:59,157 --> 01:37:00,388

Jerremy: Well done.

: 1646

01:37:00,388 --> 01:37:02,428

Yeah, that was very nice, man.

: 1647

01:37:02,458 --> 01:37:04,077

I loved your questions.

: 1648

01:37:04,077 --> 01:37:07,737

I felt our guests really

were prepared for this topic.

: 1649

01:37:08,248 --> 01:37:16,138

I believe that hopefully there was a

phrase in here that was issued about

: 1650

01:37:16,438 --> 01:37:19,798

most gun owners being ignorant, rednecks.

: 1651

01:37:19,798 --> 01:37:24,188

And I just hope that at some stage

the word ignorant can go away.

: 1652

01:37:24,818 --> 01:37:26,768

I don't know if the word

redneck needs to go away.

: 1653

01:37:27,768 --> 01:37:28,848

But ignorant for sure.

: 1654

01:37:28,878 --> 01:37:34,218

Having just this awareness that

this is what it takes mostly because

: 1655

01:37:35,028 --> 01:37:37,638

I too am from this generation.

: 1656

01:37:37,638 --> 01:37:42,348

I too am from this background, from

this, let's call it tribe, from this

: 1657

01:37:42,348 --> 01:37:47,598

upbringing of how it's done, why it's

done, where it's done, when it's done.

: 1658

01:37:47,973 --> 01:37:51,573

All those aspects and components

of both guns and gun ownership.

: 1659

01:37:52,073 --> 01:37:59,213

I have that certain upbringing and

I believe that a lot of detail and

: 1660

01:37:59,213 --> 01:38:04,493

information and topics and thought

processes really go into not only gun

: 1661

01:38:04,493 --> 01:38:06,473

ownership, but obviously gun safety.

: 1662

01:38:06,683 --> 01:38:13,343

And it really is a topic I know and

believe fully that a home that has a gun.

: 1663

01:38:14,153 --> 01:38:20,093

There is very likely a father in that

home and that father is going to do his

: 1664

01:38:20,093 --> 01:38:25,733

absolute best, hopefully, to explain to

the individuals that live in that home

: 1665

01:38:26,633 --> 01:38:31,193

for long periods of time, what the gun

is potentially, maybe where it is, and

: 1666

01:38:31,193 --> 01:38:33,233

most importantly, how to be safe from it.

: 1667

01:38:33,563 --> 01:38:37,073

I really heard that very loud and clear

in this episode, and I think a lot of

: 1668

01:38:37,073 --> 01:38:40,553

our listeners will truly enjoy that

fresh take and that fresh perspective.

: 1669

01:38:41,553 --> 01:38:43,077

Dave: Yeah, I agree with

you on that for sure.

: 1670

01:38:44,077 --> 01:38:44,568

Jerremy: Learn, Dave?

: 1671

01:38:45,568 --> 01:38:48,878

Dave: for me I learned that

there are two discussions going

: 1672

01:38:48,878 --> 01:38:50,348

on and we're conflating them.

: 1673

01:38:51,348 --> 01:38:59,428

One is the problem of suicides

and urban gun violence Those

: 1674

01:38:59,428 --> 01:39:01,868

are just a deep societal rot.

: 1675

01:39:01,928 --> 01:39:04,487

They're just very, that's just barbaric.

: 1676

01:39:04,518 --> 01:39:06,407

It's deeply anti-human.

: 1677

01:39:07,407 --> 01:39:13,838

And those have different responses,

whether it's for suicide, ensuring

: 1678

01:39:13,838 --> 01:39:18,077

that there's of support there

for people who are, contemplating

: 1679

01:39:18,077 --> 01:39:20,487

suicide fixing it on that end.

: 1680

01:39:20,487 --> 01:39:22,288

But on the other end, for our vets.

: 1681

01:39:23,288 --> 01:39:25,987

Fix our foreign policy, stop

sending 'em all over the planet.

: 1682

01:39:26,987 --> 01:39:27,978

So there's a lot there.

: 1683

01:39:27,978 --> 01:39:34,778

And for urban violence, it's ensuring

that people have prosperity and options

: 1684

01:39:34,778 --> 01:39:40,628

and see a way to grow their lives and

to have families and to be successful

: 1685

01:39:40,987 --> 01:39:45,668

On the other end of that, we know that

just a million dollars a city, it gets

: 1686

01:39:45,728 --> 01:39:52,058

the right people in the right place

to diffuse issues in those areas with

: 1687

01:39:52,058 --> 01:39:56,858

people that have been there before,

whether it's gang members to pastors,

: 1688

01:39:56,858 --> 01:39:59,028

to the guy who owns the barbershop.

: 1689

01:39:59,028 --> 01:40:00,968

And that is one side of this where.

: 1690

01:40:01,913 --> 01:40:09,473

We're putting laws on top of social

problems, and those are the big

: 1691

01:40:09,563 --> 01:40:12,473

numbers that are in gun violence.

: 1692

01:40:13,473 --> 01:40:18,943

And then the other side of

this is where we spend so much

: 1693

01:40:19,333 --> 01:40:22,612

time and so much legislation.

: 1694

01:40:23,612 --> 01:40:27,753

This is the focus on responsible gun

owners, and this is responsible gun

: 1695

01:40:27,753 --> 01:40:35,463

owners in a very big society where there

is sloppiness there, there are issues,

: 1696

01:40:35,903 --> 01:40:41,983

I'm hoping to, really wanted to dig

in a bit more into we can't say that

: 1697

01:40:41,983 --> 01:40:46,223

all gun owners are, responsible gun

owners are actually responsible.

: 1698

01:40:46,223 --> 01:40:52,463

There's a defensiveness of responsible

gun owners that's saying, look, these

: 1699

01:40:52,463 --> 01:40:55,123

laws aren't working change the laws.

: 1700

01:40:56,123 --> 01:41:00,668

But there are plenty of gun owners that

take less responsibility than the people

: 1701

01:41:01,043 --> 01:41:03,952

that we had, and so that there are.

: 1702

01:41:04,952 --> 01:41:09,213

Maybe it's the red flag laws and I get

it, that could be a slippery slope.

: 1703

01:41:09,213 --> 01:41:11,523

Maybe it's the magazine size.

: 1704

01:41:11,553 --> 01:41:15,063

We do have some evidence that works,

but I get that's nibbling at the edges.

: 1705

01:41:15,493 --> 01:41:20,663

Maybe it is ensuring that lock boxes are

in homes and trigger locks are in homes.

: 1706

01:41:21,023 --> 01:41:25,237

But they brought up a fair point

that it's really about enforcement.

: 1707

01:41:26,077 --> 01:41:30,368

Me, I know I believe that

background checks, we know that

: 1708

01:41:30,368 --> 01:41:33,398

stops a lot of bad actors, and

: 1709

01:41:33,428 --> 01:41:37,568

Low cost, low barrier of entry, that

there are loopholes in there that

: 1710

01:41:37,618 --> 01:41:39,208

we should choose to do differently.

: 1711

01:41:40,198 --> 01:41:42,178

And I think I would add into that.

: 1712

01:41:43,178 --> 01:41:46,768

Psychological checks on that,

just getting hey you're okay.

: 1713

01:41:47,138 --> 01:41:53,532

Waiting periods are probably okay too,

but I would do away with all of those,

: 1714

01:41:53,583 --> 01:42:00,153

like even as a consideration, if we target

exactly, no pun intended, exactly what

: 1715

01:42:00,153 --> 01:42:02,018

kept on coming up, which was education.

: 1716

01:42:03,018 --> 01:42:05,868

And I think responsible gun

owners are all about that.

: 1717

01:42:06,018 --> 01:42:09,888

And I do think it needs to be a lot more

stringent, a lot more strict, making

: 1718

01:42:09,888 --> 01:42:11,987

sure that it's a continuing education.

: 1719

01:42:11,987 --> 01:42:15,963

Make sure it's not just how you

handle a weapon or how you shoot

: 1720

01:42:15,963 --> 01:42:17,923

it which is like the fun side.

: 1721

01:42:18,053 --> 01:42:19,313

But it's also the laws.

: 1722

01:42:19,313 --> 01:42:21,293

It's also like your responsibility.

: 1723

01:42:21,353 --> 01:42:26,213

I want gun owners because they have that

responsibility to be super citizens.

: 1724

01:42:26,693 --> 01:42:30,907

And If they are not able to uphold

the law when it comes to guns

: 1725

01:42:30,907 --> 01:42:34,358

and using weapons and all of that

stuff, then I'd question their

: 1726

01:42:34,358 --> 01:42:36,758

responsibility in owning that weapon.

: 1727

01:42:36,818 --> 01:42:40,618

So I think it's, for me, it's a

lot of education and it's ensuring

: 1728

01:42:40,618 --> 01:42:44,518

that responsible gun owners, they

would, the ones that would stand

: 1729

01:42:44,518 --> 01:42:45,928

up and be like, yeah, that's fine.

: 1730

01:42:46,288 --> 01:42:49,198

And the sloppy gun owners are the

ones that might complain about

: 1731

01:42:49,198 --> 01:42:50,428

it, but we will elevate them.

: 1732

01:42:50,528 --> 01:42:54,657

Also on the side that I heard from

Josiah, among the reasons that

: 1733

01:42:55,468 --> 01:43:00,868

he has guns is like a grid down

event or a tyrannical government.

: 1734

01:43:00,868 --> 01:43:06,628

And I hear you on that, that I lump that

into the same side as the suicides and

: 1735

01:43:06,628 --> 01:43:08,698

the gun violence, because those are.

: 1736

01:43:09,698 --> 01:43:13,673

Yeah, there are opportunities for

society to come up and say, Hey, to

: 1737

01:43:13,673 --> 01:43:15,532

fix the grid, we need to fix the grid.

: 1738

01:43:15,603 --> 01:43:19,273

Needs to be like, okay, our,

that, that shouldn't go down.

: 1739

01:43:19,273 --> 01:43:22,452

Or when it comes to tyrannical

government, we just finished

: 1740

01:43:22,452 --> 01:43:24,133

up a series on voting reform.

: 1741

01:43:24,193 --> 01:43:27,823

Like we should never think that we

would ever have a tyrannical government.

: 1742

01:43:27,873 --> 01:43:30,213

Because our vote actually does matter.

: 1743

01:43:30,213 --> 01:43:31,943

So those are going back to those roots.

: 1744

01:43:32,143 --> 01:43:35,923

Discussions that I think we need

to have a lot more of and a whole

: 1745

01:43:35,923 --> 01:43:38,253

lot less of nibbling at the edges.

: 1746

01:43:39,253 --> 01:43:39,702

Jerremy: Right on.

: 1747

01:43:40,702 --> 01:43:42,323

It was a great discussion.

: 1748

01:43:42,473 --> 01:43:49,313

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: 1749

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: 1750

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: 1751

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: 1752

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: 1753

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: 1755

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: 1756

01:44:17,848 --> 01:44:18,928

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: 1757

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