Episode 70

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Published on:

23rd Jun 2025

Can Compassion and Choice End Homelessness? Experts Weigh In

Homelessness isn’t just a lack of housing—it’s a societal choice. In this episode, hosts Dave Conley and Jerremy Alexander Newsome sit down with choice psychologist David Jacob and nutrition expert Leslie Bobb to explore the human side of the crisis. Through personal stories, they reveal how empathy, nutrition, and clean shelters could slash homelessness by over 50%. But with $80 billion wasted annually, is America choosing to fail? Discover why Finland succeeded—and how we can too.

Timestamps

  • (00:00) Introduction: A Global Crisis, an American Choice
  • (02:25) Personal Stories: Homelessness Up Close
  • (07:37) The Causes: Addiction, Mental Health, and Society’s Role
  • (13:26) The $80 Billion Problem: Where the Money Goes (and Fails)
  • (20:12) Solutions: Community, Nutrition, and Rethinking Shelters

David Jacob

Leslie Bobb

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Jerremy Newsome:

Dave, the requests keep flooding in from all over the

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world, but most specifically the US of

A, and they need to know what we are

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solving and addressing in this episode.

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Dave Conley: In this week's episode

of solving America's Problems,

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we're tackling homelessness head on.

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It's not just about housing, mental health

or hard times, but what if it's fixable

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and we're just missing the real issues.

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Joining us today, David Jacob, a

choice psychologist expert who's

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transformed lives by rethinking

decisions, sees homelessness as a

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societal choice, not a personal choice,

and we need to choose differently.

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And Leslie Bob, an integrative

nutrition expert who seen nutrition,

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lift people up from despair to hope.

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Together, they challenge how we see

this crisis and how we can change lives.

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And that's this week on Solving

America's Problems from apathy to

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Action with David, Jacob and Leslie Bob.

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Jerremy Newsome: We feel very few people

are appropriately talking about this.

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We know how to end homelessness

slash it by over 50%.

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Finland totally wiped it

out, but here's the thing.

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Every solution starts with a

choice America again, we're

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kind of choosing a failing path.

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I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom alongside

my co-host Dave Conley, and this

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is solving America's problems.

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Today we are sitting down

with two incredible voices.

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David Jacob is a choice psychology

expert who believes homelessness

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isn't just about housing, about

the choices we make as a society.

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Baum is an extraordinary nutrition coach

who's worked with people in transition.

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She knows that something as

simple as proper nutrition.

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Can lift people up.

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Both David and Leslie have joined me

at the abundance summit, at the aerial

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BVI, and they have worked consciously

and continuously on just becoming the

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best versions of themselves as possible.

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And they truly do feel that they can

work on creating a solution, even if

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it's just one, two, and homelessness.

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So David Leslie, welcome to the show.

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@DavidJacob_1: Thanks for having us.

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Leslie Bobb: Thanks Jerremy.

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Jerremy Newsome: Absolutely.

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Both David, myself, and our thousands

of listeners would love to know.

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And David, I'll have you go.

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Nope.

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Leslie, I'll have you go first.

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Ladies first.

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was a moment in your life?

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Perhaps it was a personal encounter

or a story that you heard that made

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homelessness feel real and human to you.

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Leslie Bobb: The more I think

about that, the further back I go.

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Uh, my, I think my mom's just always

had a real open heart and open door.

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Uh, as a teenager I was living in Los

Angeles County and I was, uh, part

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of the bad crowd, so can't see my

air quotes there, but I had a lot of

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friends that were crouch surfing or

getting kicked out or running away, and

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my mom just always welcomed them in.

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And it was a really nice feeling to be

able to provide some safety in a, in

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the storm of adolescence for these kids.

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And I remember traveling with my

mom and stepdad one year for the

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holidays, and we went to a Denny's

or something on Thanksgiving.

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There were a few homeless guys outside.

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And my stepdad, instead of giving

them a couple bucks, invited them in

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to join us for our meal at the table.

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So we sat there and, and talked with

them and learned about their lives and

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how normal they were and that they had

may or may not have had family, some of

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them had family they were estranged from.

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And it was just a really pivotal moment

for me to see someone bravely welcoming

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in some people that are normally sort

of avoided or, um, feared by society.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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Leslie Bobb: And, uh, it just really

helped my heart expand, seeing my

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parents have such big open hearts.

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So I think that must have

probably locked me in there.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, I love that.

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I love that.

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And again, it kind of sounds like David

will talk about in a second, most likely

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is your parents made a conscious choice.

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And I love how you said, as a

society, almost as a collective

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choice, a lot of people just ah, they

pretend homelessness isn't there.

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It's almost like this terrifying,

scary group of people that has

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leprosy that no one wants to talk

to or touch or interact with.

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parents, again, made that choice

to kind of bring them in you the

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humanity, which I really admire that.

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And your parents, David, did

you have a similar situation, or

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how did it become real to you?

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@DavidJacob_1: So when I was

at college, I worked at a.

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Like a craft beer bar, uh, in the

center of Manchester in the uk.

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there was a guy who used to

sit just off to the right of

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where the bar front door was.

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and he was there like every time

I used to finish, finish work.

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And eventually we as bartenders, we'd get

tips pretty, pretty frequently, much less

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than in the us but we still got tips.

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And I was already getting paid a fairly

reasonable hourly wage, so the tips were

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kind of neither here nor there for me.

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So I used to give him the tips.

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And after a few times I ended up, like,

sat down with him and we were chatting

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and kind of, I got to know his story and

I made a point of every time I went to

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work and every time I finished, I used to

sit down and I, I'd give him my tips and

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we'd kind of talk about his life and how

he ended up there and all the rest of it.

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And after probably it would've been end of

the summer, so three or four months of me

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sat down with him one day he disappeared.

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I was like, oh, you know, maybe you

know the situation got the better of him

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and that was the end of it or whatever.

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I see him probably a year later

and he's completely different.

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He's dressed in kind of quote

unquote regular people clothes.

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He's cleaned up.

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He's completely an otherwise

normal looking human being.

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And this guy runs up to me while

I'm walking down the street

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with a couple of my friends and

he goes, David, David, David.

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And I was like, I didn't

even recognize who he was.

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it was this same homeless guy that I

used to sit down and talk to after work.

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And he said, honestly.

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The conversations that we had, and

you just sitting down and talking

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to me for all of those times, even

if it was for 10, 20 minutes, made

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me feel like I could actually go

out and, you know, reclaim my life.

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and that was the first time that I kind

of really saw homelessness for what it

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was, which is people just don't care.

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And as a result, it continues.

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And that's a hard thing to

swallow because there are so

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many, organizations that do care.

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But the average person really

struggles with that empathy idea.

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And then, you know, a

bunch of other stories.

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When I was again at college, a

friend of mine did an open mic night.

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There was a homeless guy who performed,

he was probably, I don't know, 17, 16,

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17 at the and he said, you know, I'm

raising money so I can sleep at a shelter.

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And without really thinking about what

that meant, I was like, oh, it's fine.

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Like, we've got a couch, just

come and sleep on our couch and.

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I wake up the next morning and my

housemates are furious because all

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of like the, you know, you're a

student, you've got laptops, you've

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got, PlayStations, TVs, whatever.

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It's all in the living room

where this kid was sleeping.

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And I didn't consider that.

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I just was like, well, I mean, I'd

much rather you on my couch than

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in like a homeless shelter with

a bunch of much older dudes who

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probably have substance abuse issues,

potentially mental health issues.

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And you are just a kid who doesn't have

a house like sleep on my couch, dude.

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Like, it's okay.

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So I kind of saw it when I was at college

and then even now homelessness I think is

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a blight on the modern society as a whole.

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Dave Conley: David, do you think that

that's how most people see homelessness

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through this, this lens of apathy?

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@DavidJacob_1: I think

apathy is a, is a tough word.

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I think and this is, I guess how I've,

I've learned to conceptualize it.

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I.

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It's more as a result

of the normalcy bias.

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So the normalcy bias is the idea

that if see something frequently

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enough, and that is the basis point

or the idea by which we understand

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the world, it just becomes normal.

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It is normal that, for example, you

know when you turn the tap on in

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your kitchen, right when you turn

the faucet on, water comes out.

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If one day water didn't come

out, you wouldn't start to, you

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know, think the world was ending.

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You'd be like, oh, maybe there's

a problem with my plumbing.

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I.

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But the way that we view homelessness

is that, you know, now, I

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mean that just happens, right?

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Some people get down on their luck,

some people are behind on bills.

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So it just, the way the world works and

I think that the average person doesn't

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really conceptualize it as a problem.

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They just see it as normal.

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It is just simply a thing that people end

up sleeping in the streets or homeless

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or whatever, and you know, that boils

down to another cognitive faculty and the

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whole thing just compound and compound.

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Dave Conley: So like the would,

would you say that most people think

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that way given like that person is

successful and that's just how it is?

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Like the converse.

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@DavidJacob_1: Yeah, a hundred percent.

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Right.

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So that's the, the second cognitive

bias is the idea of a just world, right?

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We believe you look at every different

culture across the planet and there's

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this idea of like karmic balance, right?

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Or something that is similar that we

live in a just world where bad people,

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you know, get their just desserts and

good stuff happens to good people.

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So when you take that as the basis, well,

if someone is homeless, then they must

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have deserved it in some way, right?

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It is their own choices or their

own faults, or the problems that

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they have that led them there.

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And the idea of a just

world is a fallacy, right?

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Like, as I'm sure you guys know, and

as many of the listeners will know.

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Bad stuff happens to good people, right?

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There's kids that are born with cancer,

like it's a, there is no justice in terms

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of like dumb luck and randomness and chaos

theory and all the rest of it, right?

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Some people just have really tough

stuff happen to 'em and if we work under

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the idea that, there is a just world

where, you know, whatever you've done

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leads to some consequence, that means

that if you are in insert situation

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here, you deserve it by some mechanism,

then yeah, it's really easy to look at

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that as a system and go makes sense.

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There has to be something they've

done that has led them to this point.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, but

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Point is there, there are.

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There is a lot though

that do end up homeless

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I don't know the exact percentage, but

our last episode we probably settled

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on somewhere around 70% of homelessness

is due to addiction and mental health.

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I think Leslie kind of

touched on that quickly.

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Leslie, what's, what's your take on

that percentage and just on a general

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basis, do you think most people also

rationalize or view most homelessness

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is probably because of addiction

of some kind, or is it laziness

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and I'm just getting it all wrong?

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Leslie Bobb: I, that was a couple

of different questions there, but I

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hesitate to speak to, too much about

the logic fallacies because we have

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a like real psychologist on the line.

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So I don't, I don't want 'em to be

like, well, actually you're wrong.

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I, I think the, the just world fallacy, I

wonder how much that still applies because

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all I see is the like millionaire villain

fallacy and that doesn't really apply

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to good things happening to good people.

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But I would say as far as your question

Jerremy about the statistics of how

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much is men, I don't know the statistics

either, but I think there is definitely

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a large portion of substance abuse

issues and men untreated mental health

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issues in the homeless population.

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And I think that contributes to

people's aversion to interact with

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the homeless because there is a

safety element and we are innately.

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Averse to dangerous situations.

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And when someone isn't behaving in what

we would consider a normal way talking

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to themselves or yelling at light poles

or, you know, whatever the case may be,

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our instinct is to protect ourselves or

our children and stay away from them.

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There's obviously something

illogical or irrational about them,

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and you can't expect normal agreed

upon safe behavior from them.

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And I, I think just trying to be a

little bit more fair to society, um,

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that's a pretty legitimate aversion

to people experiencing homelessness,

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even if it isn't necessarily.

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I think that I have heard somewhere

that most of them do have mental health

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problems, but they are not dangerous.

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But we don't know that.

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And if there's one of them that is

dangerous, that could cost us everything

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dear to us and we can't really risk it.

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So I think that also contributes

to our tendency to wanna look away

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and maybe there is a, a, a, an.

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In kind of inner knowledge

that it could happen to us.

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And we don't wanna look at not, not

many people wanna go look at cancer

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patients in the hospital either because

it could happen to us and we're afraid

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of our vulnerabilities in that way.

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So I think, uh, I think we're all in

agreement on this, uh, this group, that

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this is an issue that we are really,

really poorly dealing with and, and it's

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something that should be eradicated.

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But I'm just trying to kind

of balance a little bit.

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I think some of our versions

are just natural and fair.

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I think I steered way away from

your question though, so you

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could redirect me if you want to.

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Jerremy Newsome: No, this, it is great.

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It's a great open conversation,

but that's really the goal is

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just to have, know, a non-scripted

dialogue about how do we solve this

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relatively egregious problem, right?

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In the United States of America,

there's over 700,000 homeless, and we

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brought David in because one of his

discussions about, Hey, if you have

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all the money in the world, what's

the problem that you're gonna solve?

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Right?

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He stood in front of a bunch

of entrepreneurs and said, I'd

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love to solve homelessness.

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again, the reason that I brought him on

the show and this podcast, but ultimately,

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you guys can all tell from Zach that

he lives in London, and guess what?

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England has homelessness too.

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And so you can you go country

to country to country.

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Go, wait a minute, this

is like very global.

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So it's not just us.

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Yeah.

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We get it wrong for sure.

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But any general idea, David, on how much

your country spends on homelessness?

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And then Dave Conley is gonna throw

a really surprising statistic,

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it's you on how much we poorly

spend on our homeless problem.

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@DavidJacob_1: I wouldn't even

be able to hazard a guess, but I

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would assume it would be billions.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, so the UK most

likely, but in the United

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States it's 80 billion annually.

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Right down the

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@DavidJacob_1: Good.

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Jerremy Newsome: Right down

the garbage disposal because

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they're doing something with it.

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And I just, I just don't know what

like are they getting, a hundred

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thousand oranges and just throwing 'em

at the homeless hoping they eat them?

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I'm not sure what they're

doing with the money.

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I don't see I.

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How many cities have homeless shelters?

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Like the big ones, but very,

very, they're not well marked.

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They don't have a lot of signs.

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They don't have like a lot

of open invitation on, Hey,

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who would like to help us?

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Who would like to spend time?

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I just feel like it's a very underrated,

underserved issue, especially with all

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of that money flooding to an annual.

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Leslie Bobb: So we actually have an

advocate here in our city that works

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with the homeless, and she's been

battling our city council for years on

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this, particularly during COVID when

we as a city, were receiving millions

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of dollars in grants for homeless.

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And she couldn't find it anywhere.

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The shelters are never open.

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Uh, the, the call sent the call

hotline numbers never answer.

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There's an organization that's sponsored

by the city that's supposed to tie all

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the resources together and does annual

homeless counts, and she can't ever get

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them to account for the money because

they say some of their funding is private.

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So they don't have to have like,

freedom of Information Act.

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Rules applied to it so they don't

have to tell her where the money goes.

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So it, it really is a problem and

we're just one, fairly small city.

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So I imagine the bigger cities,

it's just, it's just an open bucket.

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There's just no one will

be able to find that money.

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@DavidJacob_1: But I think the

really interesting part of that,

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and I think this is where a lot of

my frustration comes from, is that

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solving homelessness is bad business.

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There are entire industries built

around treating homelessness.

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The symptom not dealing with

the cause of homelessness.

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Right.

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And even the ones that are trying

to address the cause require the

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problem itself to continue in

order to then keep being funded.

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Like it's the same reason when you hire

a personal trainer, their goal is not

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to get you fit in the shortest amount of

time possible because then you're not a

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client anymore when you've got, emergency

shelters or I dunno, transitional housing

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programs or drug rehab contracts, or, I

dunno, even Leslie, to your point, like

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grant writers and people that are in

the process of being able to pull that

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money from, you know, communal coffers.

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all of those people have jobs.

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of those people work for

someone that has a business.

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Those businesses.

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If they solved the problem,

now cease to exist, and now

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all of that money goes away.

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It's the whole idea of, I I, I'll relate

it to something probably very, very, very

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far away, but when I worked in consulting,

we would have massive, billion dollar

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corporations who would come to us in the

final three weeks of a quarter saying,

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Hey, we have budget that we need to spend,

otherwise it goes away next, next quarter.

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And we don't need to

do this work right now.

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But I know that if we don't spend

this money, then we're not gonna

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get it next quarter, and we might

actually need it next quarter.

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It's the same problem, right?

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If you don't spend the

money, the money goes away.

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Well then it has to be spent with someone.

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And those people don't want

the problem to go away either.

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'cause otherwise the money dries up.

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Right.

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So it's, it's you, this is the

definition of an economy built

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around a problem never being solved.

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So why would you ever then solve it?

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It's a fallacy because if you

solved it, the money dries up.

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If the money dries up, then

those people don't have jobs.

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And those businesses done.

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Yeah.

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Dave Conley: That's the

perverse incentive, right?

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Like we, we've talked to somebody who had

been homeless and, uh, Cara, Kara candid,

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and with the amount of, we have more and

more homeless people every single year.

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You know, last year alone it was

771,000 people that were homeless.

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We're spending 20 billion,

that's $26,000 per person, it

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keeps on getting worse, right?

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So we already know that that money is

not being spent to reduce homelessness.

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There are some exceptions, right?

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Like Houston and Finland, like we

started this with, but in talking

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with Kara, that was exactly the case.

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The resources that she needed,

which was different than somebody

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who was in addiction, which was

different than somebody who was had

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mental illness, which was different.

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I mean, she was just down on her

luck and she was with a small child

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and she was really struggling to

just get through nursing school.

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She needed different things.

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And yet there was this one size fits

all, most of it went to, supporting

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businesses you know, like NGOs

and organizations that didn't have

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an incentive to get people off.

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They had an incentive to keep people on.

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That's the tragedy I think we

learned last week, don't you?

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Don't you think Jerremy

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like it's essentially the

people who do need it.

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To David's point, if something happens

to them just, or unjust, they need help,

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they need assistance, they can go apply

for these grants or these loans or these

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applications, these things to help.

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And it just doesn't truly like, it

just kind of falls through the cracks.

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She was a veteran

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Dave Conley: Right?

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Jerremy Newsome: United States

there's 32,000 veterans.

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Veterans who are homeless, which

again, seems like that should,

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that number should just be

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Dave Conley: It should be zero.

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Jerremy Newsome: or 10.

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It should be 10 people.

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Like it shouldn't be that high.

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32,000 is like a city.

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so that's very, very tragic.

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But yeah, there, there's definitely a

lot of things falling through the cracks.

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who would like to ask it 'cause it

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would you feel, or what do you

feel is the difference between

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homelessness houselessness?

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What are the two differences

or two distinctions there?

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I'll start with David.

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@DavidJacob_1: What is the difference

between homelessness and houselessness?

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I guess homelessness is, is the

physical sorry, houselessness

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is the physical element, right?

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Like you literally do not

have a roof over your head.

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That is, the bottom of

Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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You literally need somewhere to rest

your head so you don't feel like

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you're gonna die when you go to sleep.

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evolutionary psychology.

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That was the one thing that allowed

us to, you know, thrive as a species.

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How homelessness is, way

more psychological than that.

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I guess it's the idea of you don't feel

like you belong, you don't feel safe.

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You don't have like a community.

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There's no identity based in, your

ability to survive in and of yourself.

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way harder problem to deal with.

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Jerremy Newsome: What

do you think, Leslie?

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Leslie Bobb: Based on the,

the way I've seen the terms.

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I would agree.

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Houselessness is the unhoused.

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No roof over your head.

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statistics, it presents homeless

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versus unsheltered individuals.

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So not all homeless are

unsheltered, but I think on a, on a.

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Simpler level than David

went with homelessness.

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I would just call homelessness,

just not having stable housing.

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So you might be couch surfing, um,

maybe even living in your car or

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shelters, temporary housing hotel

vouchers, living with relatives or

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moving around from place to place,

but not having a stable home versus

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah,

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Leslie Bobb: unhoused is

just literally shelterless.

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Jerremy Newsome: exactly.

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'cause I think, uh, in the US

right, there's some hundred 71,000.

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Total homeless.

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But the shelter, to your point, like

using that term, is half a million.

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So 522,000 approximately.

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And then she unsheltered million, 250,000

people are unsheltered Finland solved

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the issue essentially by saying, I think

there's two solutions in Finland, like

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if you're houseless too long, you die.

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'cause it's really cold in Finland.

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And so they're like, listen,

you've gotta get a house.

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and just built houses.

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made it illegal, but it was essentially

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like, listen, single person in this

country is required to live somewhere.

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they built a bunch of small homes

that didn't have any requirement

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other than someone had to live in

them per the capital, like per person.

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because again, they had a place

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to stay that didn't have any.

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Requirements.

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There wasn't any minimums or

maximums that need be met.

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I go, Hey, everyone has a house.

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Dave Conley: Like it's a,

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Jerremy Newsome: something

will, oh, go ahead, Dave.

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Dave Conley: like it's a,

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Dave Conley: I mean,

it makes, it makes some

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Jerremy Newsome: whoa, you're a human.

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Let's, but let's put you in shelter.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: So you give

you and your family protection

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from the freezing fenland cold.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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that in a lot of places in the us

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like North Dakota, South Dakota,

Michigan gets cold in the winter.

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with the largest homeless population are

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gonna be the warmer clients climates.

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California, Florida.

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they're wondering, is that a

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choice that they're making?

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Or I guess how many of these

unsheltered just can't find shelters?

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A quarter million people in the US

who just can't find shelters, are they

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choosing not to find shelters or do

you think they just can't, Leslie, is

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it like a choice that they're making?

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Like, I just wanna not a house, I don't

wanna pay taxes, I just wanna go live on

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the beach and just like have a tent for

the rest of my life and be kind of Ivy.

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Leslie Bobb: I have met quite a few

individuals who did choose, they have

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some QAC lifestyle in their head,

and they did choose to be nomadic.

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The majority of the chronically homeless

that, that I've seen, though it's not

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necessarily a choice, but they aren't

always, shelters fill up really quickly.

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They're not always open.

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They're difficult to find, like we

discussed before, but a lot of people

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are not comfortable in shelters.

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You have to split up from

your friends or your partners.

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They're not safe, they're

crowded, they're nasty.

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they, they do have an issue.

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Functioning in society, so the rules being

stuck inside, all of that sort of stuff.

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They they can't do it.

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mental health issues that prevent them

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from functioning in an institutionalized

setting or in normal societal settings.

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They can't hold a job, so staying

in a shelter, just, it just

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psychologically doesn't work for them.

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outside than in a shelter.

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They would not rather be

outside than in a home.

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can't, they just can't stay inside.

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psychological trauma.

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they are, the choice they're making.

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on that comment about the shelter.

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'cause I don't think we really, truly

have do dove into that too much in the

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sense of, okay, if you were to solve

homelessness by placing people in a.

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Location, giving them shelter, right?

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How safe is it?

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presently reorganized, restructured,

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audited, cleaned, made it like a primary

focus on our government to go listen.

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More people probably would take

advantage of this resource if it

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wasn't overcrowded, if it wasn't

gross, if it was sanitary, if it was

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a nice, kind, safe, welcoming place.

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homeless shelters any neck of the woods?

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@DavidJacob_1: Yeah, the, from any

conversation I've ever had with anyone

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that's homeless in the uk, the, the

consensus is that shelters are exactly

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to Leslie's point, unsafe, overcrowded,

particularly enjoyable environments to be

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in, but they were never, at least from my

understanding, they were never designed

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to be long-term housing solutions.

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They were short term housing solutions.

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when you turn what was meant to

be one very temporary solution

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into a much longer, again, going

back to the same idea, like that's

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just kind of how it is, right?

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Like this.

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Idea of determinism that, oh, well

that's just how the world works.

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Some people get the

short end of the stick.

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Oh well, when you use a solution

that was designed to basically lift

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people out of that initial slump and

get them back on their feet and you

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turn it into a longer term solution,

that is a problem in and of itself.

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that if you looked at the data, the

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higher the capacity IE, the higher

the amount of people who are in a

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shelter, the slower those people end

up actually solving for their homeless.

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Leslie Bobb: I would bet on that.

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Jerremy Newsome: Wild.

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Leslie Bobb: I think shelters might

have been a good solution decades ago,

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@DavidJacob_1: hundred

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Leslie Bobb: know?

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continued to grow and the

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solution never evolved with it.

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Jerremy Newsome: Fascinating.

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And that's a really,

really cool perspective.

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Alex: “We’ve unpacked real stories

and the mess of a system spending

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billions with little to show.

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But what if housing

isn’t the whole answer?

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Next, our experts dig into how

nutrition and sleep could change

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everything—and why what we’re doing

now might be missing the mark.”

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