Episode 138

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12th Dec 2025

America Pays Double, Dies Younger (Full)

America forks over twice as much for healthcare as other nations, yet we die younger with the world's fattest waistlines. It's not an accident—it's a system rigged to keep us sick for profit.

Dr. Amanda Holden and Dr. Shawn Dill, who've ditched the corporate grind, join Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley to unpack the incentives warping care, from maternal mortality spikes to rural black holes. They drop real alternatives like cash models and HSAs, plus blunt tips on dodging the traps. Skeptical? Listen— the numbers don't lie.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) American Sickcare intro with the experts
  • (00:51) America's Healthcare Crisis laid bare
  • (01:10) Meet Dr. Amanda Holden and Dr. Shawn Dill
  • (01:47) Why it's broken Sick Care, not health
  • (04:44) Ditching the traditional system for good
  • (09:59) The gap between patients and providers
  • (12:19) Financial incentives twisting care quality
  • (28:47) Cash-based and concierge medicine options
  • (31:50) HSAs for health and building wealth
  • (37:28) Maternal mortality's shocking stat
  • (39:05) Rural healthcare's brutal challenges
  • (40:05) How poverty fuels maternal and infant deaths
  • (41:18) Obesity and chronic disease explosion
  • (44:22) Education's overlooked role in staying healthy
  • (47:25) Economic hits and food supply messes
  • (59:15) AI and tech reshaping the future
  • (01:05:35) Practical tips and final takeaways
  • (01:11:34) Closing thoughts
  • (01:12:50) Quick wrap

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Transcript
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[appalled] In America you pay TWICE what any other country

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pays for healthcare, die four years younger, and still carry

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the highest obesity rate on EARTH.

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Yet last year UnitedHealthcare alone pocketed twenty-three BILLION

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dollars in pure profit—mostly by denying one out of every THREE

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claims that crossed their desk.

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[thoughtful] On this episode of Solving America’s Problems, Jerremy and Dave

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sit down with emergency-medicine-trained physician Dr. Amanda Holden and

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chiropractor Dr. Shawn Dill, two practitioners who walked away from

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the traditional system and built something radically DIFFERENT.

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They pull ZERO punches on why the incentives are upside-down,

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how the financial model keeps people sick on PURPOSE, and what

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actually happens behind the curtain when PROFIT is the real patient.

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Big Dave!

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What are we discussing in this episode?

Dave Conley:

In this week's episode of Solving America's Problems,

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we're tackling one of the deadliest failures in America, it's health.

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From sky high costs to shorter lives in an industry built for profit over patients.

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Joining us is dr. Amanda Holden.

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A nationally recognized leader in medical aesthetics, founder of Holden Timeless

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Beauty, and a co founder of Alpha Aesthetics Partners, where she's shaping

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best practices in education in the field.

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Also with us is Dr. Sean Dill, a chiropractor, entrepreneur, and business

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consultant who founded the Specific Chiropractic Centers, a franchise focused

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on high quality patient care, and co leads the Black Diamond Club, a network

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of supporting service based entrepreneurs.

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And that's this week on solving America's problems, America's sick care with

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Dr. Amanda Holden and Dr. Sean Dill.

Jerremy Newsome:

The American health care system isn't just

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broken, it's failing you.

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I've heard it called sick care system.

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we get, the more money they make.

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You're not a patient, you are a revenue stream.

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You and your baby are much more likely to die during birth in the U. S. than in

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Europe, most of Asia, 50 other countries.

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we spend twice as much as other nations on prescription drugs,

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hospital care, and insurance.

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Yeah, we live four years less.

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Meanwhile, UnitedHealthcare made 20.

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3 billion last year by denying one in three insurance claims.

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Pharma raked in 38 billion.

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five health insurance CEOs, they took home 75 million.

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So what's the cost of this system?

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one in 12 Americans carried over 10, 000 in medical debt, which is

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the number one cause of bankruptcy.

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are the fattest country in the world.

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Nearly half of us are obese.

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4 million Americans are morbidly obese.

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is someone that needs to lose more than 100 pounds.

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So how do we get here?

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More importantly, how the heck do we get out?

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My name is jeremy alexander newsom alongside me Daring

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and dashing dave conley today.

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We're joined by two powerhouse voices You aren't just diagnosing the failures in

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our system, they're working to fix them.

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Dr. Amanda Holden is a physician, entrepreneur, and the founder of Holden

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Timeless Beauty, where she blends medical expertise with business strategies

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to push the boundaries aesthetic medicine and patient centered care.

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also a vocal critic of the traditional healthcare system, having seen firsthand

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how it fails patients, even as a doctor navigating her own medical challenges.

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And then Dr. Sean Dill is a chiropractor, entrepreneur, and healthcare business

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strategist who built specific chiropractic centers, which is a

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franchise rooted in high quality patient care outside of the insurance systems.

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a thought leader in medicine, identical hormones, and alternative health models,

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advocating for cash based healthcare.

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Patient first approaches that cut out the bureaucratic middleman, Amanda, Sean.

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Thank you both for being here.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: Thank you so much for having us, Jeremy.

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We're I am so happy to be here.

shawn dill:

yeah

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yourself.

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I'm happy to though.

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Great to be here.

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Super excited because this is a very important topic for every

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human being on the planet.

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Not just Americans, but I know we're to fix America.

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But what a critical topic here for everybody who's listening.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

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So we're going to start off with the power of a powerful one.

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Both of you left.

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I'm going to do this in air quotes.

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My listeners, the traditional system.

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What was the last straw that made you say, I'm done.

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I'll start with Amanda.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: I left during COVID and my coworkers, they needed

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shifts in the emergency department.

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So I'm board certified in emergency medicine.

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So I was there for the beginning, working in the disaster tents.

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And I really just.

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Gave up my shifts and turn towards cash based medicine and aesthetics because

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I believed more in what I could create than what I could give patients in the

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emergency department on a regular basis.

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We just weren't always giving them the diagnosis that they needed.

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You're sending them off for treatment and sometimes they have

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to wait for two to three months.

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to see a specialist and then they just circle right back to you.

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And I felt like I had done my time there.

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I was in emergency medicine for 12 years.

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And then I turned over to cash based medicine and I haven't looked back since.

shawn dill:

That's a fantastic question, and I'm sure that Amanda, a lot of

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people have this departure answer.

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I don't necessarily have a departure answer.

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I think that for me it's just a, it's a worldview.

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It's a way of thinking.

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Obviously my parents, not obviously, but my parents definitely subscribe

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to more of an allopathic approach when it comes to medicine.

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Leaves me with a lot of questions when we look at data

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today relative to say vaccines.

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As a child, I was fully vaccinated.

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then we wonder we see the big damage, but we don't really talk

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about what about minor damage.

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And so as a child growing up, middle school, high school, I

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began to wonder listen, is there a different way to approach this?

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And align myself with individuals that shared.

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More with this holistic mindset.

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My cousin was a chiropractor.

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I always loved that philosophy and just just segued right in.

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So I never had this big trauma or this dramatic thing that happened to me.

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really, for me was about finding alignment philosophically with

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a way of thinking and world.

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Then, of course, once I went to chiropractic college, began studying, went

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out into practice, my initial foray into practice was in the country of Costa Rica.

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So they didn't have, chiropractic was whatever I said it was

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Yeah.

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the age of 25 years old.

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I authored The law that regulates the practice of chiropractic

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in the country of Costa Rica.

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I've had the opportunity to testify on behalf of that philosophy, that mindset.

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And you know what I've found out is that find that there's a lot of opposition.

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You go to anybody and you say, listen, the body's a self healing organism.

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People aren't like, no, it's not.

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They're like, okay.

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nervous system is a master control system of the body.

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I haven't run into any opposition on that.

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And if we can keep your body functioning in the way that it is supposed to

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be, then as human beings, our natural default setting is to be healthy.

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I haven't run into people that are like, no, we were designed to be sick.

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So it's just a way of thinking that I've just always believed in practice.

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And I'm just so fortunate that I've found different modalities and ways to apply

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that in my life and in my family's life.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's a good that's a good quote right there.

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We weren't designed to be sick.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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So cause it's Sean, you built something different.

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What's the biggest thing stopping other healthcare providers

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from doing what you did?

shawn dill:

I think it's like anything in life.

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There's a lot of fear.

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There's fear around, this is not how we do it.

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We've been told this probably since birth by our parents.

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There's a way that we do things.

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We get indoctrinated, not just in our healthcare philosophies, we get

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indoctrinated into spiritual philosophies.

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I know that you do a lot of work around education and of course, finance,

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but our belief systems are oftentimes instilled in us by our parents.

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If you were brought up in a world where for every ill for

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everything that goes wrong with us.

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There's a pill potion or lotion that we're always looking to the outside for

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the solution just becomes a worldview.

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That's the way that we observe the world.

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So if somebody comes along and challenges that belief system, then

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there becomes their interest in fear.

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So for healthcare.

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Providers.

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People say things like that's not going to work.

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I, and when you mentioned earlier, the specific chiropractic centers, I, my,

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the way that I practice chiropractic only focuses on the top two bones of the

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neck, only the top two bones of the neck.

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And so a lot of people even inside the chiropractic profession would

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say that's not going to work.

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Then you say, and we're going to charge cash.

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And one of the things that I think is unique about me is I had mentioned

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earlier that I practice in Costa Rica.

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They did not have insurance.

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So I don't know what that's like to receive third party reimbursement

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for something that I'm doing.

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So for me, again, that's just normal.

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That's how it functions.

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we have these limiting mindsets that stop us.

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And for me, the saddest thing is it stops us as doctors, as healers.

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From reaching the world that we were actually created to reach because we're

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operating inside of constraints that some other human being placed on us.

Jerremy Newsome:

Nice.

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That's a fascinating story, man.

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Thank you.

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And so for Amanda from you you've seen the system from both sides

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as a physician and a patient.

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What do you think is the most shocking disconnect between the

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patients like that happened behind the scenes and what actually happens?

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Dr. Amanda Holden: I think one of the most I would say one of the most shocking

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disconnects is that patients are referred out when they have a medical problem.

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So the minute you hit illness, you're referred down a path.

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And that path can take you anywhere from three months to six months to a year.

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And you might even not have the right diagnosis in the beginning, because you're

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just seen by one person that you trusted.

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And that person could have been in a hurry.

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They could have been diagnosing you with something that was incorrect.

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That with the restrictions that we have based on which company we're working for,

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sometimes you don't even have the freedom to order the right studies right away.

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Meaning you come in with a back injury and you've actually herniated a disc

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and it's compressing a nerve and you.

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are sent home to go do physical therapy.

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That's fine.

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But what if that person never aggressively follows back up to say it's not working?

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And then they said, they get an x ray down the line.

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They're told it's fine.

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Okay, everything looks okay.

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And they don't even get the MRI maybe for a year or two.

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And during that whole time they're suffering, their life has absolutely

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changed because now they're dealing with pain at home, which impacts

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whatever relationships they have.

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If they have kids now, they're not able to be there for their kids.

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And they're going with that original diagnosis of it's

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probably just musculoskeletal.

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I could repeat that over and over again with diagnoses that we give.

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And luckily I worked at a hospital where I had the freedom to order certain things.

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I was pushed, I got major pushback.

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If I ever tried to get an MRI on someone, we really have to.

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Create a story to get the right study in order for it to be validated on the back

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end, and then it gums up the emergency department, but doing the right thing.

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It's huge.

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And some people on the back end, especially say emergency, they just

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want to turn and burn patients.

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And they have numbers that they're trying to reach, so they just want to

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give a, give the basic diagnosis that will not get them in trouble medically

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and medical legally, and the patient will be sent out the door, and they'll

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be told to go follow up, and they, are lost to follow up, and they're

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suffering, one of the biggest disconnects.

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There are many, but that's one.

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Yeah.

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That's wild.

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So what you're alluding to, it sounds like there's some type of financial incentive.

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Do you mind, to the best of your knowledge, like how does the industry's

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financial model affect real patients?

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Dr. Amanda Holden: It's different per company that you work for.

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In, in the particular company that I worked for we had a quota.

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We were looked at on the backend with KPIs to see how many patients we saw

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per hour and the slower providers were actually criticized at meetings.

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And said, can't you speed up the process?

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There were high, higher quality things that we talked about.

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Did you document the EKG correctly?

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And we implemented a scribe program to speed us up.

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But the fastest providers, then we would look at, okay, how fast are they?

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How is their charting?

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And is that charting allowing us to be reimbursed the proper amount of money?

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What is our percentage of, Cash pay or never can collect, there's

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a whole mix on the back end of what you'll actually be reimbursed.

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So every five years our CFO was going to battle for what contracts

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would reimburse at the highest level.

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And then you'd see the providers that had the highest amount of

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patients simplifying charts.

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Not really ordering everything patients needed, and then having cases that

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bounced back to the next person on shift in 24 hours, like missing a head

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bleed because they didn't get a CT.

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That's unacceptable and so have to decide as a human, what am I

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going to do in these situations?

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Am I going to put up a fight?

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And am I going to put up a fight to the person that calls me out

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and said, we don't need this study?

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Or why did you order this study on this patient?

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And after a while, you learn to be really hard and fight back because

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you're fighting for your patients, but it wears on you, especially with the.

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the specialists that are on overnight and don't really want to be on or ever called.

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So people get worse care at night.

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Unless you have an amazing specialist on and an incredible

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ER doctor and people are tired.

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So that's when errors occur.

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That's wild.

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Were there KPIs on other things?

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Like how did everyone feel or were the, there were, okay.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: to hit all the marks.

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We had to not, we had to see a certain number of patients per hour.

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We had to document to get the highest reimbursement, and if we

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documented collectively to get a higher reimbursement than our goal

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was, then we shared a bonus together.

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we were paid hourly.

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Okay, we shared a bonus if we are collective documentation was higher

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than we thought we could get.

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So we focused heavily on documentation and making sure every bit of

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the documentation was there.

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And then we had patient satisfaction KPIs like the national provider scale.

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They that's how that you were rated as a hospital and as a group to stay it.

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Inside that particular company's organization as a contracted group.

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So we had great satisfaction

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Yeah.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: it was because we had a group that was handpicked

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and we all knew each other.

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We would take really good care of each other's patients but there were days

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where you got signed out patients from a provider that, doesn't do a good job.

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Now you're medically liable for that person and you have to almost

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completely rework them up during your shift and it slows you down, but.

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You come on, you're like, Oh I'm going to find something that's missing here.

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So we, those were our KPIs.

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They were satisfaction charting and patience per hour.

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And then also we're looking at how many people complain

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on the backend for wait times.

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And so it, the number of complaints that people get, and then if they're,

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there are lawsuits that pop up all the time, like valid and invalid.

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types of lawsuits.

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And then you're so stressed as an ER doctor having to deal with anything

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like that, even if it's something that's not really valid because you're

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fighting now a battle that have been completely out of your control and

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you're just named in the lawsuit.

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So lots of things to unpack there.

Dave Conley:

Yeah, the

Dave Conley:

that could be, its own show.

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Because if you're,

Jerremy Newsome:

I

Dave Conley:

If you're measuring on how you're charting and how you're being

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billed, and that's what you're being held accountable for, by definition,

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you're gonna get more of that.

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That means you're going to over order, you're going to over diagnose,

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you're going to overmedicate, whether consciously or not, that's

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where you're gonna be rewarded

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Dr. Amanda Holden: let me just tell you this in emergency medicine in

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our oral boards and our, like our in person boards, you always start with

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IV O2 monitors and just having someone walk through the door and putting an

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IV in their arm, giving them oxygen.

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Not everybody gets oxygen to be honest, not at all.

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But putting them on the monitors, putting in an IV and giving them

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a bag of fluids, that's, that.

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Makes your chart at a higher rate of billing.

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I don't think that many people tried to do that, honestly, as emergency providers.

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Just to be completely frank with you, at least in my group.

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But I could see that being manipulated by certain people just because they know

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they're going to have a higher charge.

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I also flew on Mercy Air, and if we had to go out for a We knew that patient was

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being charged 15 grand just to go out on that flight, even if they called us off.

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If we land on site and transport them to the hospital.

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And some of those are the most critical patients you'll ever take care of.

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and then it goes up from there.

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But

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But it's all.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: a 15 grand bill to start just by us landing on site.

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Here we go.

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It's also how you get a 4, 000 bottle, a 4, 000 bottle of bag of

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saline that costs a dollar and a half.

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Dr. Amanda Holden: Yes it is.

Dave Conley:

Wow.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I was at his chiropractic office and they had

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five or six people there who had never had a chiropractic appointment

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or adjustment in their whole life.

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all of them actually said, Oh yeah.

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My parents told me to never to do that.

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And so obviously they ended up getting adjusted and everything was fine.

Jerremy Newsome:

They loved it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Why is there that perception that chiropractic is like

Jerremy Newsome:

a voodoo weird medicine

shawn dill:

I think it has a lot to do with what Amanda was saying.

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First, Let me state that think that the conversation is I want to make sure that

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we're not alienating the wrong people here Because the conversation really is taking

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a look at the United States medical system But not the United States medical doctors.

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think that there's very few doctors who got into their field because they were

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just trying to manipulate the system and keep people sick, however They are joining

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a system that is designed to do just that.

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But that was never their intention.

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And I can understand someone like Amanda's frustration being in there and thinking,

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listen, I signed up to help people and now I'm experiencing things that I didn't know

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it worked this way when I got into this.

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And then eventually if it becomes you, who's dealing with the health issue,

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it doubles down on that frustration.

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And because of that too, another thing I just want to.

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Point out there is that model is probably one of the world's greatest

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financial business models ever created.

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It is just absolutely brilliant from the standpoint it alerts

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up a prospect pool of a problem.

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And then it convinces the prospect pool to go on a journey.

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And it is a long drawn out journey.

shawn dill:

That starts with over the counter, accessing free information on the

shawn dill:

internet, self diagnosis, whether it's right or wrong, going into

shawn dill:

drugstores, trying a little bit of this or that until the awareness

shawn dill:

hits that you have a problem.

shawn dill:

And then you seek out a specialist, but in that case, the specialist

shawn dill:

is still the generalist.

shawn dill:

I'm going to go into my You know, my primary care provider who's going to

shawn dill:

set me on a path of trying some other nobody's going to just if I have a

shawn dill:

migraine and I looked it up on WebMD and I'm like, I have a migraine.

Jerremy Newsome:

of a tumor?

shawn dill:

They're going to

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

Migraine, not Imitrex.

shawn dill:

Then I go into my GP, they're not going to put me on Imitrex, so I'm on this path

shawn dill:

to getting to the ultimate solution that I think a lot of people would agree with.

shawn dill:

that model, here's where we want them to go, but they slow play

shawn dill:

that hand and listen every single stop You have to pay the provider.

shawn dill:

You have to pay the testing you have to pay but they put you on

shawn dill:

Either that or somebody's paying for it because it's not free.

shawn dill:

So it is a brilliant model that just I mean Imagine that once you bought

shawn dill:

a certain brand of car, you basically were never going to leave you.

shawn dill:

Oh, you bought a Ford.

shawn dill:

You're now going to own Ford for literally the rest of your life, right?

shawn dill:

Because they've trapped you in it.

shawn dill:

that also is an indictment on the model not the provider, sec

shawn dill:

the, to answer your question.

shawn dill:

other thing I want to make sure that everybody understands, because when it

shawn dill:

comes to this, We talk about research, search is huge, but people would say why

shawn dill:

is there no research on this or that?

shawn dill:

I will tell you again, it's because of the financial model that's at stake.

shawn dill:

we conducted a massive trial on a vitamin C and it's an efficacy

shawn dill:

for whatever, you name it.

shawn dill:

And we saw in the research that vitamin C is effective for the common cold,

shawn dill:

or maybe some people would argue even for cancer treatments in high doses.

shawn dill:

will there never be that Because at the end of the day, if we prove that's the

shawn dill:

case, nobody owns vitamin C. no way to monetize the outcome of the research.

shawn dill:

On vitamin C we would be researching that

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

end of the day, once we've proven that it's effective, then

shawn dill:

whoever owns the patent, they're going to be the beneficiary of the outcome.

shawn dill:

So you're not going to see research things on chiropractic supplements, natural

shawn dill:

herbs, remedies, essential or anything that people are out there what about that?

shawn dill:

We, there's no way to super monetize that into the billions of dollars.

shawn dill:

And so that's why, because nobody owns it.

shawn dill:

It's just, it's a naturally occurring thing that's available to everyone.

shawn dill:

inside of that realm, I think there's a lot of effort to say, Oh, don't do this.

shawn dill:

Oh, essential oils are a scam.

shawn dill:

Water's a scam.

shawn dill:

Whatever it is don't do that.

shawn dill:

Be afraid.

shawn dill:

Don't go to see your chiropractor.

shawn dill:

Because what it does is it diverts away from the true Opportunity that exists

shawn dill:

to monetize something else where what would we rather you get a chiropractic

shawn dill:

adjustment or get a 150, 000 disectomy?

shawn dill:

The choice is clear.

shawn dill:

So let's just steer people away from this option

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Awesome.

shawn dill:

that they're coming into the better monetary option.

shawn dill:

And I think that it's a super sad thing.

shawn dill:

And listen, people could say all they want that's not the case.

shawn dill:

But again let's just go data wise.

shawn dill:

If we go objective data and then you yourself, let's go anecdotal data.

shawn dill:

We've all heard that from people like, Oh, don't do that.

shawn dill:

But you know what people there, people do say Oh, be careful of getting

shawn dill:

surgery when it comes to cutting you a human being, why is there not like

shawn dill:

a huge alarm, like never do that.

shawn dill:

We accept that far more than we would accept, trying some of these things that,

shawn dill:

and listen I, I love some people's point of view and I feel this way a lot about

shawn dill:

a lot of sort of the cutting edge stuff and longevity, peptides, supplements.

shawn dill:

It's not going to kill me, even if it doesn't work, but if I get, if I let

shawn dill:

you cut, my back, that, that could be, that could cause irreversible damage.

shawn dill:

And so I think that it's funny to our risk reward tolerance

shawn dill:

on healthcare is out of whack.

shawn dill:

And I think that it's easy to scare people not to do something.

shawn dill:

And it's easy to convince people to do something that has a high, a

shawn dill:

much higher risk equation for them.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

So you taught, you said the word stats, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

So the U S spends two X per capita on prescription drugs, hospital

Jerremy Newsome:

care and insurance and physician services and anywhere in the world.

Jerremy Newsome:

And there's tons of places that have, quote unquote

Jerremy Newsome:

free or universal healthcare.

Jerremy Newsome:

Last year, Johnson, Merrick, and Pfizer had a combined net income of 38 billion.

Jerremy Newsome:

UnitedHealthcare, largest U. S. insurer, they cover 50 million people, they

Jerremy Newsome:

made 23 billion in profits last year.

Jerremy Newsome:

you said that it's a money game, but that's evidence of that.

Jerremy Newsome:

These big corporations are the ones that are spinning that wheel.

Jerremy Newsome:

And so if you had just a magical wand right now, what would be the very first

Jerremy Newsome:

brick or what'd be the first tool that you would begin to implement to make

Jerremy Newsome:

this a change of a Sean and then Amanda.

shawn dill:

That's a very buzzword equity.

shawn dill:

Let the people vote with their dollars.

shawn dill:

Listen, if you just level the playing field, let the population figure out where

shawn dill:

they want to spend and let them spend.

shawn dill:

If we took away third party payers, and in order to do that, we would have to

shawn dill:

develop some degree of equity among, amongst providers as far as cost is

shawn dill:

concerned too, because if we took away third party payers, it would then make.

shawn dill:

healthcare thing of, only exclusive high net worth individuals could access.

shawn dill:

So we've got to be conscious of that.

shawn dill:

But I think if we let people vote with their dollars, all of a sudden what

shawn dill:

works will rise to the top because people aren't going to spend their hard earned

shawn dill:

money on some scam fraudulent thing.

shawn dill:

And they're going to talk, they're going to research, and they're going

shawn dill:

to make more informed decisions about where they want to place their money.

shawn dill:

Listen, there's things like health savings accounts that do empower

shawn dill:

people to begin to make those choices.

shawn dill:

think an interesting thing, I'm not aware of any study on this, but I think

shawn dill:

a very interesting thing to do would be to look at where people who can

shawn dill:

control their health dollars, where they allocate their money, because I

shawn dill:

don't think it's the same places where the third party payers are allocating.

Jerremy Newsome:

All right.

Jerremy Newsome:

So vote with their dollars.

Jerremy Newsome:

Amanda, what's your take?

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: My, my take is if we are continuing on with with coming

Jerremy Newsome:

from this third party and, or the approval of dollars coming from a third

Jerremy Newsome:

party like UnitedHealthcare and we're looking at free systems that, you look

Jerremy Newsome:

at the diversity of these two sides there is such a discrepancy in HMO

Jerremy Newsome:

and PPO insured people that, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

HMO is the HMO insured side of the care that we get at baseline.

Jerremy Newsome:

If you don't have the access and the money to pay for PPO or POS you would just

Jerremy Newsome:

miss out on the right type of doctors.

Jerremy Newsome:

A lot of the time.

Jerremy Newsome:

There are definitely high quality people that you can be assigned to,

Jerremy Newsome:

but the fact that you have to wait so long sometimes to see a primary for.

Jerremy Newsome:

Issues that you have or even general medical checkups.

Jerremy Newsome:

I feel like those can be pushed out longer if need be with an HMO.

Jerremy Newsome:

But the minute you have a problem, you just have a major block if

Jerremy Newsome:

you have an HMO versus a PPO.

Jerremy Newsome:

So somehow solving that issue where more people can get access to care faster

Jerremy Newsome:

and the right and to the right person.

shawn dill:

That's a great one too, Amanda.

shawn dill:

I would

shawn dill:

Dr. Amanda Holden: Thanks.

shawn dill:

in a poll looking at providers, asking

shawn dill:

providers, which do you prefer?

shawn dill:

HMOs or PPOs as a provider?

shawn dill:

It will be overwhelming.

shawn dill:

It'll be a landslide what they will choose.

shawn dill:

They'll go PPO because of the degree of management.

shawn dill:

When they brought up the term, when the term was coined, managed care.

shawn dill:

care.

shawn dill:

The problem is it's not the provider who's managing the care.

shawn dill:

And so even if you look at that, if you're a consumer and you're

shawn dill:

like, wow, the providers really don't like to operate there.

shawn dill:

Why?

shawn dill:

Because they're super handcuffed.

shawn dill:

What kind of care do you think that you're receiving?

shawn dill:

If your own provider feels handcuffed when dealing with you, that should

shawn dill:

just that to me should just tell you right there, if you're looking at

shawn dill:

healthcare plans, which one to pick.

shawn dill:

Dr. Amanda Holden: And I can tell you from firsthand experience when

shawn dill:

I called around to see specialist cash pay, they got me in immediately.

shawn dill:

If I tried to use my insurance, it was three to four months that I was waiting.

Jerremy Newsome:

whoa.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: blew my mind.

Jerremy Newsome:

So I learned quickly that I just decided to pay out of pocket and that

Jerremy Newsome:

the charge you get at a specialist is around three to 400 for one consult.

Jerremy Newsome:

Whereas would bill other people the third party payers a lot more and

Jerremy Newsome:

have to document a lot more in order to just see you and get reimbursed.

Jerremy Newsome:

And perhaps their reimbursement would be half of that.

Jerremy Newsome:

So it's very advantageous for cash based clients to come in.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it's honestly not that expensive when you're really going after a solution

Jerremy Newsome:

to a problem when you're cash based.

Jerremy Newsome:

That, that blew my mind,

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, that is.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's pretty wild.

Jerremy Newsome:

And so I'll bring up a personal situation right now.

Jerremy Newsome:

So me and my wife, we were having this debate on just

Jerremy Newsome:

simply not having our insurance.

Jerremy Newsome:

And just taking everything that we pay the insurance, which I think

Jerremy Newsome:

right now is like right under 2, 000 a month for the whole squad.

Jerremy Newsome:

Just taking that and putting it into Sean used the word HSA,

Jerremy Newsome:

which is health savings account.

Jerremy Newsome:

So taking all that money, because you all know this, but you can trade

Jerremy Newsome:

the stock market in an HSA as well.

Jerremy Newsome:

So that account can also grow over time, but ultimately the cost benefit of most

Jerremy Newsome:

people when they spend the insurance, the only only time it really ever kicks in

Jerremy Newsome:

my opinion, is if it goes to some tragic emergency situation that's really the

Jerremy Newsome:

only time that's even remotely valuable as far as your cost to reward benefit.

Jerremy Newsome:

So I guess the ultimate question is what's your hot take Amanda on us going

Jerremy Newsome:

either HSA or keeping our insurance?

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I would have a backup plan for the emergency

Jerremy Newsome:

with a very low cost insurance.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I would use everything else for the HSA and go fully with a concierge doctor.

Jerremy Newsome:

I pay to have a concierge doctor that I can, she's a friend of mine in San Diego.

Jerremy Newsome:

I can literally text her anytime I want to, I respect her privacy, but

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: is there for me.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it.

Jerremy Newsome:

approximately 500 a month individually to have her there for me.

Jerremy Newsome:

And then I get certain benefits by, going in annually and talking to her

Jerremy Newsome:

about, issues that I have or, but everything is done in an expedited

Jerremy Newsome:

fashion and it is absolutely beautiful.

Jerremy Newsome:

And if I get say covered through a company that I'm working with or

Jerremy Newsome:

my husband's, covered it, we, and we select the minimum coverage.

Jerremy Newsome:

Just for that backup plan in case we had that tragic emergency and then

Jerremy Newsome:

you went with a concierge doc model.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think that's the way to go

Jerremy Newsome:

That's, yeah, that's fascinating because.

Jerremy Newsome:

I don't think a lot of people, maybe some have heard, but concierge doctors

Jerremy Newsome:

is becoming a very popular thing.

Jerremy Newsome:

And for those who are listening, that, that's an option that a lot of

Jerremy Newsome:

people might not know about, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Like you pay them a monthly fee, the doctor gets rewarded brilliantly.

Jerremy Newsome:

And then they're to your point, like we're normal people.

Jerremy Newsome:

So they spend a certain amount of money where they keep the the people

Jerremy Newsome:

are going to text them at four in the morning, to keep them away.

Jerremy Newsome:

But I think having that.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's an option.

Jerremy Newsome:

A lot of people don't even know that's a possibility.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's a fantastic model, in my opinion, for, for this system.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: The beautiful part about that too is that when you're

Jerremy Newsome:

with someone that's highly connected in the community, if you have a problem,

Jerremy Newsome:

you will be referred to the specialist and seen within a couple weeks.

Jerremy Newsome:

She just expedites care everywhere.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it's a beautiful thing because if I was going on an HMO model, I'd be waiting.

Jerremy Newsome:

Two months to see my primary care doctor, but I like to have the

Jerremy Newsome:

security of not having a million dollar bill potentially if there was

Jerremy Newsome:

a tragic thing that happened and I was admitted to had a traumatic accident

Jerremy Newsome:

Sure.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: for all this trauma surgery and spent,

Jerremy Newsome:

30 days in the hospital.

Jerremy Newsome:

So that's the way I think about it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Is having that insurance plan low pay.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

No, it makes perfect sense.

Jerremy Newsome:

you have the same opinion?

shawn dill:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

And I don't want to.

shawn dill:

I don't want to derail this fantastic discussion, but I will put something out

shawn dill:

there for you to put a pin in because when you brought that up about the HSA,

shawn dill:

one of the things that I think would be very interesting if we took someone

shawn dill:

like you and your knowledge about.

shawn dill:

HSAs bring about some very interesting benefits.

shawn dill:

And in fact, I think that there is a lot to be said about having a

shawn dill:

discussion about how we can actually leverage our health to create wealth.

shawn dill:

So if I am being allowed because of a high deductible HSA account, I'm being allowed

shawn dill:

to put up to that deductible into my HSA.

shawn dill:

depending on a lot of factors, but I can get that in tax free.

shawn dill:

I can also leverage that growth it's in there.

shawn dill:

So I'm, if I'm just making this contribution on an annual basis, but

shawn dill:

also at the same time, very important.

shawn dill:

I have to be very conscious of my health because I can't, I'm not, I'm

shawn dill:

trying to not go in and use that money.

shawn dill:

Then at retirement age, there's a lot of magic that can happen there.

shawn dill:

So there could be some arguments that this would be a very healthy.

shawn dill:

And I think that people never consider an HSA even as an investment tool.

shawn dill:

They see it as this, some sort of weird insurance thing.

shawn dill:

But if you're like, look, this becomes a really good investment.

shawn dill:

If I'm not going to need to tap into that.

shawn dill:

Lifestyle, all of these things.

shawn dill:

Now I'm getting actually an investment premium for being healthy because I'm

shawn dill:

not having to use the money that I'm able to grow if I have some good strategies

shawn dill:

from people like you on my side.

shawn dill:

I wish that people would really teach people how to utilize these health

shawn dill:

insurance tools as investment tools and learn to leverage, really understand how

shawn dill:

you can create wealth by being healthier.

shawn dill:

I think that's a very interesting discussion that would that

shawn dill:

could and should be had.

shawn dill:

And yes, I 100 percent agree.

shawn dill:

I will say from personal experience, that's exactly what I do, of course

shawn dill:

in, in all of the stats and also.

shawn dill:

To be fair, while we really struggle, life expectancy, overall

shawn dill:

health quotients, we're number one in the world for emergencies.

shawn dill:

So if you're going to get shot in the United States.

shawn dill:

Like the likelihood that we save you in the United States, there's no better place

shawn dill:

to have a medical emergency than here.

shawn dill:

But listen, where we really struggle is on the day to day.

shawn dill:

Health care quotients are ratings of how healthy are we and all the things

shawn dill:

that you've brought up previous But listen, should we really be having to

shawn dill:

pay a lot of money because we're just disregarding our health No, let's place

shawn dill:

a premium where people can benefit financially being healthy The other

shawn dill:

thing to Amanda's point to which is I think that most people in the discussion

shawn dill:

like this don't really understand But we have a socialist health care situation.

shawn dill:

don't have any money and you go into a hospital, you're still

shawn dill:

going to be seen because listen,

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

have taken an oath you don't have any way to pay for it.

shawn dill:

So what happens is it just gets dispersed, right?

shawn dill:

So that's why the fees are so high amongst the other people who are

shawn dill:

paying, whether it's through insurance or out of pocket to cover that.

shawn dill:

And in all socialist healthcare countries that allow private practice, what Amanda

shawn dill:

described is a hundred percent true.

shawn dill:

So now You have this premium placed on the people that are paying out of pocket.

shawn dill:

You get in quicker, you get the better docs.

shawn dill:

The better docs leave the socialist system to practice in a private environment.

shawn dill:

Why would they stay there?

shawn dill:

Because they have a better financial incentive to go into private practice,

shawn dill:

in private practice meaning outside of the socialist system, the social pay.

shawn dill:

And So we have that here in the United States.

shawn dill:

We don't like to admit that, but that's what we have going all

shawn dill:

the way down to something like Medicare or HMO at the beginning.

shawn dill:

And then you have, Medi Cal and all of

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

Assistance programs.

shawn dill:

All the way up to then, PPOs and then rising to out of pocket.

shawn dill:

And then Amanda brought up concierge.

shawn dill:

So it's just who's practicing concierge.

shawn dill:

The super good doctors have figured out that I'm just going

shawn dill:

to privatize my practice, create a recurring revenue model,

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

shawn dill:

a limited number of clients and get amazing results.

shawn dill:

And it will be less work and more fulfilling to me because I'm

shawn dill:

working with people that I like.

shawn dill:

That's a socialist system that we've created here in the United States.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

You nailed it.

Jerremy Newsome:

So two, two things on that.

Jerremy Newsome:

Number one health as well.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's so true.

Jerremy Newsome:

it sounds like you and I should chat about that.

Jerremy Newsome:

Cause I, I've never created a course in my whole life about that.

Jerremy Newsome:

And that would be very easy because there's an incredible amount of

Jerremy Newsome:

things you can do to your HSA.

Jerremy Newsome:

And to your point, if you're healthy, whatever your whole life, for the majority

Jerremy Newsome:

of the time, just a whole different tool money that you don't have access to that

Jerremy Newsome:

you wouldn't if you're paying an insurance policy, cause you're paying an insurance

Jerremy Newsome:

policy, just like a term life policy.

Jerremy Newsome:

If you don't die, all your money's gone.

Jerremy Newsome:

And to get an insurance policy after you don't die at 60 is really tough.

Jerremy Newsome:

and you already, all of you know that there's insurance policies

Jerremy Newsome:

that you can get that don't evaporate when you don't die.

Jerremy Newsome:

But to that point, that's another instrument that a lot

Jerremy Newsome:

of people aren't familiar with.

Jerremy Newsome:

Now, to address one of the second parts that you mentioned, you

Jerremy Newsome:

said, We do emergency care amazing, but the day to day, we suck at.

Jerremy Newsome:

I'm gonna do a quick little shift.

Jerremy Newsome:

Because I think this blew my mind.

Jerremy Newsome:

was at a Joe Dispenza conference, and this beautiful woman was sitting next to

Jerremy Newsome:

me, and I actually was telling her, this was probably April of last year Dave.

Jerremy Newsome:

Anyway, and so I told her, I want to do a discussion, I want to have

Jerremy Newsome:

a podcast called Solving America's Problems, and I was giving her this,

Jerremy Newsome:

vision of what this is right now.

Jerremy Newsome:

And she said, oh my gosh, if you can create a solution how many children and

Jerremy Newsome:

mothers die during birth in America.

Jerremy Newsome:

That would be incredible.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I was like, what are you talking about?

Jerremy Newsome:

Listen to this in Canada, you have eight deaths per a hundred thousand

Jerremy Newsome:

live births, for Norway three.

Jerremy Newsome:

U. S.

Jerremy Newsome:

maternal mortality rate is 18 deaths per 100, 000 live births.

Jerremy Newsome:

We are a magnitude above that, and that's obviously a day to day thing.

Jerremy Newsome:

I'll just ask this question.

Jerremy Newsome:

How the heck is that happening?

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I'm first wondering, is that death happening in the hospital?

Jerremy Newsome:

Is this hospital data or is it someone that didn't have great access to care?

Jerremy Newsome:

And it's happening pre hospital care like emergency medicine, medical

Jerremy Newsome:

services, and they just can't, it's already progressed so far that you've

Jerremy Newsome:

had a uterine rupture or the baby's breach or something's happened that

Jerremy Newsome:

wasn't caught in a hospital setting.

Jerremy Newsome:

there are many rural areas in the U. S. So I don't.

Jerremy Newsome:

I don't know if is that hospital based or not.

Jerremy Newsome:

And then where do you take it and drill it down to regions?

Jerremy Newsome:

I know when I worked in the emergency department up in a mountain community,

Jerremy Newsome:

I was the only person on for 24 hours.

Jerremy Newsome:

And if weather was bad, I could not get any flights off the

Jerremy Newsome:

mountain to a major obese center.

Jerremy Newsome:

So you're stuck with.

Jerremy Newsome:

Either an ER trained doctor who does not deliver many babies or you're

Jerremy Newsome:

stuck with some of these are staffed by just a internal medicine doctor

Jerremy Newsome:

that might have never been trained in emergency medicine or recently

Jerremy Newsome:

done OB that was like 40 years ago.

Jerremy Newsome:

And that's why that would happen in rural settings because you don't

Jerremy Newsome:

have OB staffing all the places.

Jerremy Newsome:

And then the pre hospital care component is so rough too, because there, there

Jerremy Newsome:

are just so many critical components of a birth that, that comes out normally,

Jerremy Newsome:

and women that, Survive that and I've seen a lot of babies born and I guess

Jerremy Newsome:

the we're talking about maternal, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Not the child side.

Jerremy Newsome:

Okay, so you see a lot of preterm births as well where babies die preterm

Jerremy Newsome:

if it's before 24 weeks and that's horribly sad because people just

Jerremy Newsome:

Either don't know they're pregnant or don't have access to health care.

Jerremy Newsome:

So on both sides, they're definitely there's definitely digging around

Jerremy Newsome:

you could do to see where the targets could be for improvement in the U.

Jerremy Newsome:

S.

Dave Conley:

So I did the research on this and I put this in here

Dave Conley:

and highlighted it specifically because it hurt my heart so much.

Dave Conley:

The number one cause of maternal and infant mortality in the richest

Dave Conley:

country on the planet is poverty.

Dave Conley:

It is poor prenatal care of the mother.

Dave Conley:

Medicaid is the insurance used for people who are at or below the poverty level.

Dave Conley:

And 42 percent of U. S. births, 1.

Dave Conley:

5 million every year happens under Medicaid.

Dave Conley:

So that's, look, if you want to give birth in the United States and give

Dave Conley:

birth to a live child and survive that birth, there are 50 other

Dave Conley:

countries that do it way better.

Dave Conley:

We are very low on this list.

Dave Conley:

If you went to Chile or Uruguay or Egypt, you'll have better outcome.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, that's wild.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think it's just some, it's some issue of a glaring, glaring oversight.

Jerremy Newsome:

Again, back to just what Sean said, just the day to day.

Jerremy Newsome:

The most basic pieces.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like we just have so much that are broken and I know you have

Jerremy Newsome:

something else to say, Dave.

Jerremy Newsome:

So go ahead.

Dave Conley:

Yeah, I just wanted to back us up a little bit.

Dave Conley:

We've already talked about some really cool solutions around this.

Dave Conley:

I want to talk a little bit about the problem.

Dave Conley:

We, and I think it's really easy for me personally to demonize big pharma

Dave Conley:

or demonize the insurance companies or big food, or, I think there's a

Dave Conley:

lot of villains in this world that are stopping us from being healthy in

Dave Conley:

the United States that other parts of the world seem to have figured out.

Dave Conley:

But when we talked about obesity at the beginning of this,

Dave Conley:

we are the fattest country.

Dave Conley:

In the world, bar none, I had to think that there are 4 million

Dave Conley:

people in the United States that have to lose over 100 pounds.

Dave Conley:

I was one of those people.

Dave Conley:

At 40 years old, I was smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, I was at a job

Dave Conley:

that I hated, and I weighed 330 pounds.

Dave Conley:

And it took me years to work through that and to get healthy, and I'll

Dave Conley:

say everything was set up against me.

Dave Conley:

I like, like it was, like being on all sorts of medications meant

Dave Conley:

for people that were twice my age.

Dave Conley:

It was that I was surrounded by poor choices of food.

Dave Conley:

It was the food that was very addictive and hard to get away from.

Dave Conley:

It was sedentary lifestyle, lifestyles and celebrating Sloth rather than health.

Dave Conley:

So there were so many things going against me, but this is getting worse

Dave Conley:

in the United States, not better.

Dave Conley:

It's not lack of information.

Dave Conley:

When you're fat, you're fat and you're unhealthy.

Dave Conley:

Heart disease continues to be the number one killer in the United States.

Dave Conley:

47 percent of adults have high blood pressure.

Dave Conley:

Over 60 percent of Americans have type 2 diabetes, and for people who are

Dave Conley:

listening to this, type 2 diabetes is the diabetes that you create.

Dave Conley:

It's the, it's not the one you're born with or they have prediabetes.

Dave Conley:

U. S. has the highest rate in diabetes and prediabetes

Dave Conley:

anywhere in the developed world.

Dave Conley:

Rates of kidney disease, 37 percent of Americans, guess what, that comes

Dave Conley:

from diabetes and hypertension.

Dave Conley:

Cancer rates.

Dave Conley:

Since we have been measuring cancer, it has been continuously going down

Dave Conley:

as the treatments have been getting better and better, except today.

Dave Conley:

Today, cancer rates are going up for people under the age of 50.

Dave Conley:

Actually, the youngest of us are getting breast cancer, colorectal cancers, and

Dave Conley:

other cancers at extremely alarming rates.

Dave Conley:

Normally Again, like obesity and diet, 60 million Americans are experiencing

Dave Conley:

some form of mental illness and annually anxiety, depression, and

Dave Conley:

particular prevalent the opioid crisis.

Dave Conley:

You could just keep on going down this list of okay, that's not working.

Dave Conley:

That's not working.

Dave Conley:

That's not working.

Dave Conley:

That's not working.

Dave Conley:

Great.

Dave Conley:

If you get shot in the United States.

Dave Conley:

Fantastic.

Dave Conley:

But what are we doing wrong?

Dave Conley:

What's the villain here?

Dave Conley:

What I did what's going wrong?

Dave Conley:

Where's the problem?

Dave Conley:

I see the results and it's not good, but where's the problem?

Dave Conley:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I, I can, I will start by saying it is an education

Dave Conley:

from the school level forward.

Dave Conley:

I ha I volunteered to teach a nutrition program to students.

Dave Conley:

In med school, they had nothing if people are not getting the proper education and

Dave Conley:

nutrition in the public school system.

Dave Conley:

I bet private does it a lot better, but if there isn't a standardized educational

Dave Conley:

program when you are young to show you if you eat this and if you are obese and

Dave Conley:

this is how you calculate what obesity means, you will have these diseases in

Dave Conley:

the future and you will die earlier.

Dave Conley:

If you don't know that, you can't make healthy choices about eating,

Dave Conley:

about exercise, and there is a very basic layperson education that could

Dave Conley:

be developed that touches children, so that if their parents fail on

Dave Conley:

educating them, if the community fails, they still, they definitely

Dave Conley:

get it, and they suddenly go to their adulthood life and do different things.

Dave Conley:

Even I struggled with knowing all the things you can do both with

Dave Conley:

diet and exercise with trainers.

Dave Conley:

I think as humans we're always desperate for more information about

Dave Conley:

how we could be healthier and that from the core is what is missing in

Dave Conley:

education from elementary school on.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think it was like two or three years ago.

Jerremy Newsome:

So my son was in sixth grade.

Jerremy Newsome:

he brought home a food pyramid the same one that we all had.

Jerremy Newsome:

That one.

Jerremy Newsome:

I was like,

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: taught.

Jerremy Newsome:

Everywhere.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's literally all that's ever taught.

Jerremy Newsome:

How can people learn if they're just staring at a food pyramid and they

Jerremy Newsome:

don't know where to take it from there?

Jerremy Newsome:

And their

Jerremy Newsome:

right,

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: are unhealthy.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, exactly.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it is unfortunate and you're speaking to my heart because I do

Jerremy Newsome:

feel like the shift becomes, when everyone is aware that education fixes

Jerremy Newsome:

most of the problems down the line.

Jerremy Newsome:

Obviously it's not gonna be an immediate impact instantaneously, but once we

Jerremy Newsome:

start earlier and we teach going forward.

Jerremy Newsome:

And we revitalize the whole entire thing, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

The whole aspect of what we teach, how we teach and who teaches it.

Jerremy Newsome:

It definitely creates a huge impact in the future.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: What about the commercials we see too?

Jerremy Newsome:

We never see commercials about being healthy.

Jerremy Newsome:

And about what down the line.

Jerremy Newsome:

And just because no one would fund those.

Jerremy Newsome:

Types of things.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like

Jerremy Newsome:

Right.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: Super Bowl, you're seeing everything

Jerremy Newsome:

possible that's unhealthy.

Jerremy Newsome:

You

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: something that's reinforced on being healthy.

Jerremy Newsome:

That, that teaches people things.

Jerremy Newsome:

So public information and the channels that we get it, the streams that we

Jerremy Newsome:

get it from it's something that should be heavily invested in, I think.

Jerremy Newsome:

I agree.

Jerremy Newsome:

Sean, what do you think, man?

Jerremy Newsome:

Does it start in schools or is it somewhere else?

shawn dill:

It definitely starts in schools, but now we've

shawn dill:

opened up a whole can of worms.

Jerremy Newsome:

Oh yeah.

shawn dill:

I think some of this so definitely starting in

shawn dill:

schools as far as education.

shawn dill:

Dave was talking earlier about how someone's sociodemographics

shawn dill:

economics play into their health.

shawn dill:

I'm not sure if many people are aware that during the 1980s and nineties

shawn dill:

tobacco companies came under fire, Philip Morris, RJ Reynolds, but the

shawn dill:

eighties and nineties, during that period of time Philip Morris and RJ

shawn dill:

Reynolds acquired most of the major food companies in the United States that would

shawn dill:

include craft general foods, Nabisco.

shawn dill:

And so now you have the tobacco industry.

shawn dill:

Amazing at addicting people, taking over our food supply in a lot of ways.

shawn dill:

this super impacts people that are trying to eat necessarily on a budget.

shawn dill:

And so what we do is we have this, what's called hyper palatable

shawn dill:

foods, where we are literally now addicting our younger generation.

shawn dill:

So if you are in eighties, nineties, early two thousands, you love these things.

shawn dill:

You love these processed foods.

shawn dill:

So when they're like get off the processed foods That's very difficult because

shawn dill:

there's a lot of things in our food today that cause us to be addicted to that

shawn dill:

and very interestingly You mean and it's not lost on us that there is a different

shawn dill:

version of our food than if you go to europe so the ketchup is different.

shawn dill:

The jelly is different Uncrustables aren't even allowed to be sold in europe because

shawn dill:

a lot of our food doesn't even have Food in it, but listen, if you're on a budget,

shawn dill:

you've got to go and you've got to make your stretch your dollar and you're trying

shawn dill:

to feed your kids and you're sending them to school and they have their lunch and

shawn dill:

so you've got your lunchables in there and you've got whatever you're putting in

shawn dill:

there, but listen, it's not, that's not setting them up for success health wise.

shawn dill:

So we have an economic issue.

shawn dill:

We have a food supply issue.

shawn dill:

We have an education issue because.

shawn dill:

A lot of people don't realize that's not good for their children.

shawn dill:

I think that you look at fast food companies, but most fast food

shawn dill:

companies have a healthy line, but there's nothing healthy about the

shawn dill:

healthy line, but people are trying to make this conscious decision.

shawn dill:

They're like look, let me eat healthy.

shawn dill:

So I'm going to get the salad at McDonald's, right?

shawn dill:

Like I'm going to pick the best one.

shawn dill:

Chick fil a and then we start to break down.

shawn dill:

What's in your food?

shawn dill:

But then and I know that everybody here we want to save the world But then we

shawn dill:

bring in an interesting debate then that we'd have to talk about that The

shawn dill:

mere fact is listen just volume wise not everybody on this planet can eat

shawn dill:

organic We do not have the food supply to supply every man woman and child with

shawn dill:

organic Wholesome food, grass fed beef.

shawn dill:

We've, so now we get into this weird world where we're gluing meat together.

shawn dill:

We're making meat in a lab we're doing but listen, part of it is

shawn dill:

very altruistic because we're trying to feed an overpopulated world.

shawn dill:

The world wasn't designed to hold this many people and

shawn dill:

feed them with organic food.

shawn dill:

So yes, organic food.

shawn dill:

That's what I would choose to eat.

shawn dill:

And I've been blessed.

shawn dill:

That's what I, that's what I put into my body, but we can't feed

shawn dill:

everybody with organic food.

shawn dill:

And that's not a cost issue.

shawn dill:

That is.

shawn dill:

It's a production issue.

shawn dill:

And yeah, now we're into genetic modified foods to be able to grow food on land that

shawn dill:

really can't grow food on because we're trying to feed an overpopulated world.

shawn dill:

There are so many things that kind of cycle in and it's really hard to vilify

shawn dill:

the Whole thing you know when we have but we can't point out when we have

shawn dill:

tobacco companies, you know owning our food supply and then even today when

shawn dill:

we have Tech companies controlling a lot of these this country's farmland.

shawn dill:

That's an issue, right?

shawn dill:

And we're closing farms that are producing organic food and there's a

shawn dill:

lot of data out there about, all of these companies that have huge political

shawn dill:

lobbies that own patents on seeds.

shawn dill:

Like, how can you own corn?

shawn dill:

Some people do, and if you grow their corn, then you're subject to lawsuits.

shawn dill:

It's tremendous what's going on in the world.

shawn dill:

And I get it.

shawn dill:

Everybody look, we're all trying to profitable in our businesses and

shawn dill:

everybody wants to make a, make their dollars because they have, they want

shawn dill:

to create legacy for their families.

shawn dill:

And I know you guys teach on that a lot, but at some point we also have to

shawn dill:

consider what the end damage is and we have to find a balance with being out.

shawn dill:

with every man, woman, and child on the planet because they've got to eat too.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

And what I also hear you saying to Sean is one of the things

Jerremy Newsome:

that makes us sick our food.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I know that there's a lot of people that probably that, that might sound

Jerremy Newsome:

surprising to, but it's a very small percentage of people what you put

Jerremy Newsome:

into your body, you get out, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Food is fuel.

Jerremy Newsome:

if you're going to perform and you're going to optimize, you

Jerremy Newsome:

have to eat incredible food.

Jerremy Newsome:

But so it's a very interesting perspective that you have ultimately

Jerremy Newsome:

that, and again, I haven't heard it personally that we just couldn't.

Jerremy Newsome:

everyone eating the way that they should, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

They're the way that we, a lot of people feel they should.

Jerremy Newsome:

I appreciate you sharing that insight, Dave.

Dave Conley:

So if anyone here was starving their child

Dave Conley:

You certainly, it would certainly be considered child abuse.

Dave Conley:

If your child wasn't getting enough food yet, if your child is obese, leading to

Dave Conley:

a certain lifetime of issues, possibly an early death because of obesity,

Dave Conley:

It's not considered child abuse.

Dave Conley:

Like what's going on here?

Dave Conley:

What are the attitude?

Dave Conley:

And today we also have these fat influencers or fat body positivity

Dave Conley:

folks celebrating in poor health.

Dave Conley:

It's celebrating slow suicide.

Dave Conley:

So tell me about what you think the attitudes are in America about health.

Dave Conley:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I think.

Dave Conley:

A lot of people truly deep down inside want to be healthy, they want to be of a

Dave Conley:

normal weight, they want to look in the mirror and love what they see so that they

Dave Conley:

can reflect confidence and positivity.

Dave Conley:

But I don't think that is what translates on the other side.

Dave Conley:

I think that people are You know, stressed with full time jobs and caring for their

Dave Conley:

families and being a great husband or wife, and they just don't find time for

Dave Conley:

themselves once they get to a certain point, and they definitely don't find

Dave Conley:

time to prepare the right meals for their kids when they're preparing that

Dave Conley:

morning meal, because they only have so much time to prepare those things.

Dave Conley:

I think that when health.

Dave Conley:

a health crisis hits, they suddenly care.

Dave Conley:

I had someone recently share with me that their their son was diagnosed

Dave Conley:

with Crohn's and they went to many different specialists and finally found

Dave Conley:

an 18 hour a day fasting diet that in 30 days completely cured their child.

Dave Conley:

So now this child fasts 18 hours a day.

Dave Conley:

Have we looked at fasting?

Dave Conley:

Have we looked at reeducating people and the benefits of that?

Dave Conley:

Have we looked at teaching people the right way?

Dave Conley:

I, that's the hard part is so few people have access to this vital

Dave Conley:

information of how do mitochondria like actually function the best?

Dave Conley:

How does our body actually clear all those toxins?

Dave Conley:

And there's.

Dave Conley:

Tons of evidence that fasting is so beneficial, but do

Dave Conley:

we ever talk about that?

Dave Conley:

Unless you're in a wellness circle, right?

Dave Conley:

And then you suddenly learn.

Dave Conley:

So I think people want to look in the mirror and feel great.

Dave Conley:

Like they want to reflect confidence everywhere they go, but they are tied to

Dave Conley:

a life that doesn't allow them to do it.

Dave Conley:

And they can't figure out the solution many times.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's fascinating.

shawn dill:

I 100 percent agree.

shawn dill:

I want to introduce yet another monkey wrench into the

Jerremy Newsome:

Throw it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: love it.

shawn dill:

I also don't want to speak to the, plus size influencers

shawn dill:

because and I don't know.

shawn dill:

When Amanda went to to study in medical school, what the numbers were,

shawn dill:

but I will guess that normal blood pressure was different than it is now.

shawn dill:

Normal cholesterol was different than, why are we seeing all of these things change?

shawn dill:

I learned 120 over 80.

shawn dill:

Oh, if you're like one 21 over 80 Oh my God, we're in stage one, hypertension.

shawn dill:

Like how, why is that happening?

shawn dill:

And I will say this, I'm a big advocate of, I don't know what.

shawn dill:

Any of our normal is right.

shawn dill:

Like, how am I from the outside going to say what your optimal weight is

shawn dill:

or your optimal blood pressure is?

shawn dill:

I watch on social media, Jeremy's very active running, doing all these like

shawn dill:

very strenuous physical activities.

shawn dill:

I would just say, looking at that, his resting heart rate is way lower than

shawn dill:

mine because his body necessitates that.

shawn dill:

And I could.

shawn dill:

Probably look at his resting heart rate and be like, Whoa, wrong with you.

shawn dill:

It's too low because if I was comparing him against a nonactive individual

shawn dill:

of the same height, weight and age, I would think that Jeremy was the outlier.

shawn dill:

And especially that's how we come up with this, the

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

curve, that, what that does is it makes.

shawn dill:

Everybody on the extremes wrong.

shawn dill:

And so listen, there are some people that on the outside, you might look at

shawn dill:

them and their weight, their BMI might not meet the standards of the world, but

shawn dill:

to me, what's very important is what's going on the inside function is way.

shawn dill:

A more important than appearance.

shawn dill:

So if I'm looking at, testing on functional levels, if I'm looking at

shawn dill:

heart rate, variability, nervous system function, if I'm looking at blood labs and

shawn dill:

all of your biomarkers and all of that's.

shawn dill:

great, but your BMI is off.

shawn dill:

I don't know who am I from the outside to start like trying to,

shawn dill:

manipulate all of these things.

shawn dill:

And I think that's something very important for us to understand

shawn dill:

is that we have fallen into this world of what we call lab normal.

shawn dill:

are a lot of people who are inside of the lab normal range on a

shawn dill:

lot of things who are very sick.

shawn dill:

This is one of the things that super complicates our ability.

shawn dill:

To diagnose issues because these people go around from one provider to the next

shawn dill:

to the next and everybody's like you're normal and they're like but there's

shawn dill:

I am absolutely not I'm having this issue but they are lab normal which

shawn dill:

is not normal for them and so this is something too I just want to make

shawn dill:

sure that I don't want to condemn it.

shawn dill:

from an outside in perspective, because we must adopt a globalist

shawn dill:

approach and a holistic approach to healthcare and look at all elements.

shawn dill:

And I would dare to say, I don't think that there is any one thing

shawn dill:

that happens in the human body not impact something else, right?

shawn dill:

There's not

Jerremy Newsome:

Right.

shawn dill:

is just happening in a vacuum.

shawn dill:

is interrelated.

shawn dill:

We come from a time and age when at one point we didn't

shawn dill:

know what the tonsils were for.

shawn dill:

So we took them out.

shawn dill:

So it's we gain information.

shawn dill:

And I would also dare to say that today we probably understand,

shawn dill:

and this is up from what I would have said, maybe 10, 20 years.

shawn dill:

Go, but we probably understand around three to 5% of

shawn dill:

actually how the body works.

shawn dill:

Like we, there's so much that we just don't understand and that's what's great

shawn dill:

about, about our field of practice.

shawn dill:

The human body is mind blowing.

shawn dill:

Amazing.

shawn dill:

Like it's crazy that we are a lot.

shawn dill:

I have the day with the air that we're breathing, the pollutants that we put

shawn dill:

in our body, like all this, and somehow we're that resilient as a species.

shawn dill:

Absolutely incredible.

shawn dill:

And so I just want us to take a moment and honor and respect that

shawn dill:

and also understand for anybody in healthcare, just how difficult that is

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

shawn dill:

unravel that and understand what's going on in a

shawn dill:

patient that's in front of you.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

Jerremy Newsome:

So both of you being thought leaders and, creating content and providing

Jerremy Newsome:

so many things to people, random question, are there any AI tools that

Jerremy Newsome:

you have seen right now that are trying to make a dent or a positive impact?

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I haven't used any just to be frank.

shawn dill:

I don't know of any that are on on the public market as of

shawn dill:

yet, but I am aware of a lot of.

shawn dill:

projects.

shawn dill:

One of my clients, I want to shout out Dr Rick Downs.

shawn dill:

One of the things that I hope will come to the forefront when it comes

shawn dill:

to health and wellness is sleep.

shawn dill:

How many people snore, right?

shawn dill:

That's just a common thing.

shawn dill:

Oh yeah, they snore.

shawn dill:

And the correlation Between snoring and alterations in your nervous system

shawn dill:

specifically in your sympathetic nervous system alterations and breathing people

shawn dill:

correlate Snoring with sleep apnea what that's doing to our bodies incredible

shawn dill:

But here's what's cool is that now we have all of these wearable devices

shawn dill:

that allow us to track your sleep So for many years when we talked About

shawn dill:

sleep technology and a sleep study that meant going to some strange place and

shawn dill:

sleeping hooked up to all these things.

shawn dill:

And how hard is it to get a good night's sleep and an accurate

shawn dill:

reading when you're in some strange, sterile sleeping environment and

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: One thing, oh,

shawn dill:

on our fingers.

shawn dill:

We can basically conduct a full sleep study and even detect

shawn dill:

apnea through these devices.

shawn dill:

So AI, here's what I'm seeing being developed are the ability

shawn dill:

to take all wearable devices.

shawn dill:

So to me, this is super cool.

shawn dill:

It doesn't matter if you're on the whoop, the aura ring on.

shawn dill:

Apple watch or any of the others, Garmin, all of it but to be able to aggregate that

shawn dill:

data and now place have AI monitor and find alterations while we're functioning.

shawn dill:

So how cool is this?

shawn dill:

That you can receive an interruption, a text, an email that says,

shawn dill:

listen, we detected a problem last night with your breathing

shawn dill:

patterns while you were sleeping.

Jerremy Newsome:

Fascinating.

shawn dill:

not only that give you the recommendation of.

shawn dill:

Here's who you need to see as a provider, or maybe it's a simple, listen, try this,

shawn dill:

do this, and we'll continue to monitor.

shawn dill:

us to literally monitor millions of people on a regular basis.

shawn dill:

I think this is huge because we'll be able to have a preventative

shawn dill:

element to our healthcare and stop a lot of problems before they arise.

shawn dill:

However, Let's also just come back to, we're really close in this world of the

shawn dill:

longevity space to really being able to add a lot of years to human life.

shawn dill:

But that really complicates this overpopulation issue and feeding the,

shawn dill:

you see how like we're trapped in this like vicious cycle where We're, we've got

shawn dill:

this cool stuff and maybe I can detect it and I can save you and you can live

shawn dill:

longer, but then now you're living longer.

shawn dill:

So this is a double edged sword and a really good topic of discussion and debate

Dave Conley:

So I.

Jerremy Newsome:

it is.

Dave Conley:

I will say, the future is already here and I'm a nerd about

Dave Conley:

this as far as AI goes and you already have the tools, if you're using

Dave Conley:

chat GPT, if you're using Claude, if you're using Grok, if you're

Dave Conley:

using them, you can already do this.

Dave Conley:

In fact I feed all of my blood work done and I get my blood work done often through

Dave Conley:

my doctor because he's a freak and as curious as I am, but also I've fed in four

Dave Conley:

years of devices, from my aura ring for, four years of information on my sleep and

Dave Conley:

my activity and heart rate variability.

Dave Conley:

And I've fed in a data from a continuous glucose monitor.

Dave Conley:

So I can get it really dialed in.

Dave Conley:

see okay, what are supplements doing?

Dave Conley:

What is exercise doing?

Dave Conley:

What is sleep doing?

Dave Conley:

What is a medication doing?

Dave Conley:

What times of day, when I fast, when I don't fast and that's

Dave Conley:

accessible right now, that doesn't even take that much money.

Dave Conley:

So I can't even imagine.

Dave Conley:

I think that kind of stuff that I have to do by hand is going

Dave Conley:

to be increasingly commoditized.

Dave Conley:

You already are carrying around.

Dave Conley:

phone, with you day in and day out, it's already monitoring all sorts

Dave Conley:

of things about your environment.

Dave Conley:

I think the future is already here.

Jerremy Newsome:

It is.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Go ahead, Amanda.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: one thing that we've used in the clinics is a device called

Jerremy Newsome:

InMode or StyQ, and you stand on it the InMode you hold both hands, and it

Jerremy Newsome:

measures your muscle mass in each arm and each leg, and I'm doing, and it

Jerremy Newsome:

measures your fat, it tells you, spits out your visceral fat and your risk

Jerremy Newsome:

factors for everything in your body, and I had back surgery a year ago a

Jerremy Newsome:

spinal fusion, and my leg Muscle mass is significantly lower than my arms

Jerremy Newsome:

because of my functional limitations, and I'm working with a device right now

Jerremy Newsome:

to build my muscle mass, a functional medicine device to build my muscle mass

Jerremy Newsome:

and going back every four weeks to be measured to watch my muscle mass grow

Jerremy Newsome:

in things I couldn't do by myself.

Jerremy Newsome:

So there are technologies that are going to be out there to make us healthier

Jerremy Newsome:

and direct measurements that measure.

Jerremy Newsome:

Our exact muscle mass, our exact fat, and then stratify on the back end a

Jerremy Newsome:

report that I know it's coming soon because someone told me it is from this

Jerremy Newsome:

company and spit out a report of, all of your risk in all of these different

Jerremy Newsome:

areas just from standing on that device.

Jerremy Newsome:

And those devices aren't that expensive.

Jerremy Newsome:

So if those were integrated into traditional medicine,

Jerremy Newsome:

Wow.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: would have a much better evaluation of their patients

Jerremy Newsome:

and spit out a report on the back end.

Jerremy Newsome:

Fascinating.

Dave Conley:

And then Jeremy, you'll have the robots slap the

Dave Conley:

Haagen Dazs out of your hand.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

Jerremy Newsome:

So InMode, publicly traded company.

Jerremy Newsome:

If anybody wants to research any of it, ticker symbol I N M D. Sorry.

Jerremy Newsome:

So talking about another really interesting thing.

Jerremy Newsome:

There's an app called E A T O, and it's brilliant.

Jerremy Newsome:

So it's 25 a year.

Jerremy Newsome:

a photo of your plate and AI analyzes everything on it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Spits out calories, macros, micros, carbs, protein, all of it.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's really cool.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it's wildly accurate.

Jerremy Newsome:

it is really remarkable.

Jerremy Newsome:

You might have to make a few adjustments, but just something that if you like

Jerremy Newsome:

apps, I have tried it, I recommend it.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's really cool.

Jerremy Newsome:

As we start to slowly wrap up, and again, I, this has been so amazing.

Jerremy Newsome:

I just the fact that I'm around you two makes my heart happy.

Jerremy Newsome:

what specific questions should patients ask their doctors about

Jerremy Newsome:

cost and treatment alternatives?

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: They should ask their doctors in with the

Jerremy Newsome:

diagnosis you're giving me, is there a way if I went outside of

Jerremy Newsome:

my insurance to expedite my care?

Jerremy Newsome:

and get better care for this specific problem.

Jerremy Newsome:

That would be number one.

Jerremy Newsome:

And how do I find the right specialist to treat this particular problem?

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: You shouldn't always just trust the answer of one person.

Jerremy Newsome:

You need to go out there and talk to specialist after specialist

Jerremy Newsome:

before you make a critical decision about your body once you get

Jerremy Newsome:

into a problem with your health.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

Jerremy Newsome:

Love that.

Jerremy Newsome:

Awesome.

Jerremy Newsome:

Sean, what specific things can listeners do this week to take

Jerremy Newsome:

better control of their healthcare?

shawn dill:

week.

shawn dill:

Get sunlight, get movement.

shawn dill:

Put salt in their water so that they can be adequately hydrated, not table salt,

shawn dill:

but you need to put good salt in your water so you can get adequate hydration.

shawn dill:

And I love what Dave's saying, tracking your data.

shawn dill:

And I would start with sleep.

shawn dill:

Recovery is critical.

shawn dill:

we just want to get eight hours of sleep.

shawn dill:

that contain no deep sleep, no heart rate dip, no heart rate variability changes.

shawn dill:

Recovery sleep is absolutely critical.

shawn dill:

I think that's one of the things that can absolutely make a superhuman.

Jerremy Newsome:

Do either of you have awesome, easy tips to sleep better?

shawn dill:

One, I think tracking, right?

shawn dill:

So now you're what gets measured, right?

shawn dill:

You pay attention to it and that, that's what gets improved.

shawn dill:

To turn off all of your electronics, have a wind down routine.

shawn dill:

For the people that go, my mind's always racing.

shawn dill:

Yeah, but you were looking at your phone.

shawn dill:

three seconds ago, right?

shawn dill:

Like you so have a routine where we begin to allow your body to enter into

shawn dill:

that phase, control your temperature.

shawn dill:

Usually the 64 ish range is optimal for sleeping.

shawn dill:

A lot of people that they find that extremely cold.

shawn dill:

That doesn't mean you're not without a blanket.

shawn dill:

But if we can get that temperature drop, we can get that variability change enter

shawn dill:

into deep sleep and have great recovery.

shawn dill:

And listen, that's what's, what I love about this.

shawn dill:

We're moving into an age in this whole discussion today.

shawn dill:

about cost.

shawn dill:

We're moving into an age where people are beginning to create an awareness.

shawn dill:

There's a consciousness around the fact that sunlight is free.

shawn dill:

Water is for the most part free.

shawn dill:

We can get access to that.

shawn dill:

Going out and taking a 30 minute walk is free.

shawn dill:

You don't have to have a fancy gym membership or do anything crazy.

shawn dill:

They're getting great sleep is free.

shawn dill:

It's not buy this 500 thing and now you can It, we're beginning to

shawn dill:

realize that we've placed a premium on all of these outside in approaches.

shawn dill:

And I really love how we're becoming far more conscious and

shawn dill:

placing a premium on inside out.

shawn dill:

I also want to just say for me, philosophically, I honestly believe that

shawn dill:

the only way that the becomes sick is when we fail to adapt to our environment,

shawn dill:

either internally or externally.

shawn dill:

So there's a ton to be said about looking at the things that are going on outside.

shawn dill:

We're around our phones and we're around all of this, the types of energy, we're

shawn dill:

around pollutants, and we're We put bad things in our body and then our

shawn dill:

body on the inside is all screwed up.

shawn dill:

But if you sat and think and thought about it, every disease known

shawn dill:

to man is a failure of the human body to adapt to its environment

shawn dill:

either internally or externally.

shawn dill:

So if we de emphasize the external things that we want to put in

shawn dill:

to merely mask the symptoms.

shawn dill:

And emphasize having our bodies at full expression of our inborn

shawn dill:

potential, our ability to adapt.

shawn dill:

I honestly believe we can radically change the quotient of healthcare.

shawn dill:

We can radically change that because it's not, we're not

shawn dill:

looking for this big breakthrough.

shawn dill:

We're looking for a breakthrough that's here in our minds, not some

shawn dill:

new drug that's going to save us.

Jerremy Newsome:

Amanda, you got physically excited

Jerremy Newsome:

about that question too.

Jerremy Newsome:

So hit us with some sleeping tips.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: I, mine is, I simplify it so much and it's

Jerremy Newsome:

so much of what you just shared.

Jerremy Newsome:

I just say, stick to a routine, make sure you're going to bed at the same

Jerremy Newsome:

time each night to get your body's circadian rhythms used to that time.

Jerremy Newsome:

off your devices, put down social media.

Jerremy Newsome:

Put it like, turn it off, make it something you can't even reach for.

Jerremy Newsome:

Don't even worry about the text messages if they come in late.

Jerremy Newsome:

But you have to shut your mind down and allow the time to sleep

Jerremy Newsome:

and also lean into meditation.

Jerremy Newsome:

So I think those things make us feel a lot more refreshed.

Jerremy Newsome:

They're all free.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's very easy to do a 10 minute.

Jerremy Newsome:

Silence meditation throughout the day and feel very refreshed by

Jerremy Newsome:

just letting your thoughts bubble out and sitting with yourself.

Jerremy Newsome:

It makes you feel much more well rested doing that too.

Jerremy Newsome:

If you've had a hard night of sleep, you can even do that twice a day,

Jerremy Newsome:

but I say get into your routine, silence those phones and try to center

Jerremy Newsome:

yourself to get rid of the thoughts that are driving you crazy at night.

Jerremy Newsome:

I love to use the comm app.

Jerremy Newsome:

I'm a, I'm obsessed with sleep stories.

Jerremy Newsome:

So that helps me if I've had a whirling day it helps me calm down and just get

Jerremy Newsome:

into a story and drift off to sleep.

Jerremy Newsome:

So

Jerremy Newsome:

Not a funny story, not a funny joke.

Jerremy Newsome:

Funny.

Jerremy Newsome:

So I posted on Twitter a couple of months ago, I was like, only

Jerremy Newsome:

pansies use eye masks to go to sleep.

Jerremy Newsome:

gray.

Jerremy Newsome:

So I do, I mask, I have a nose strip, I do the whole thing.

Jerremy Newsome:

Cause everything you mentioned is 100 percent accurate and

Jerremy Newsome:

just having the ability to adapt and adjust and tweak sleep.

Jerremy Newsome:

Everyone sleeps, every human sleeps, every human eats.

Jerremy Newsome:

So if we can optimize the basics.

Jerremy Newsome:

We will become healthier.

Jerremy Newsome:

Well, Family, this has been awesome.

Jerremy Newsome:

This has been incredible.

Jerremy Newsome:

I just want to commend you both on answering so perfectly, so

Jerremy Newsome:

articulately providing really good insight and information.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I truly appreciate your time and energy.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think at this point, what we want to do is in closing, I want everyone to

Jerremy Newsome:

know that you can follow Amanda's work.

Jerremy Newsome:

and insights on healthcare and business reform at Holden timeless beauty.

Jerremy Newsome:

com obviously on Instagram at Dr. Is there a period in there?

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, doctor.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dr. Amanda Holden: dr. amanda.

Jerremy Newsome:

holden.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, perfect.

Jerremy Newsome:

Thank you so much.

Jerremy Newsome:

And for my boy, Sean.

Jerremy Newsome:

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Jerremy Newsome:

entrepreneurial strategies, connect with him at the specific chiropractic centers.

Jerremy Newsome:

and follow him on Instagram at Dr. Sean Dill family We want to hear your stories.

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Jerremy Newsome:

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Dave Conley:

What'd you learn though?

Dave Conley:

What did you learn?

Jerremy Newsome:

So what I, one of the things I learned from this broad

Jerremy Newsome:

conversation is I think for future episodes, we're going to get even more

Jerremy Newsome:

granular on solving very precise topics and discussions, maybe like emergency

Jerremy Newsome:

room health care or hospital treatment.

Jerremy Newsome:

Medicaid's going to be on the list.

Jerremy Newsome:

I also learned that both our guests are very well versed in this and they're

Jerremy Newsome:

obviously incredibly healthy people.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think both of them have so much knowledge on this particular topic.

Jerremy Newsome:

And ultimately, as we get more and more people that just truly care about

Jerremy Newsome:

the wellbeings of others, obviously ways that people can make profits.

Jerremy Newsome:

There's very easy ways for this to be a, currency circulating endeavor.

Jerremy Newsome:

But ultimately it doesn't have to be to big pharma or big food.

Jerremy Newsome:

can be to individuals, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

They mentioned concierge doctors and I have five or six people that I was

Jerremy Newsome:

like, just become a concierge doctor.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like you can probably make 40, 000 a month and work with, 30 people.

Jerremy Newsome:

And just, that's it.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's your job.

Jerremy Newsome:

You interact with those people.

Jerremy Newsome:

So that's another one of those micro gig economy feels.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's just available to a lot of the listeners out there because there's

Jerremy Newsome:

probably people out there that have medical degrees and medical licenses that

Jerremy Newsome:

also feel like they got burned in the medical space and healthcare space and

Jerremy Newsome:

they feel like they have nowhere to turn.

Jerremy Newsome:

there are plenty of individuals out there that do, that they do have a

Jerremy Newsome:

place to turn to and they do end up and eventually wanting to create that change.

Dave Conley:

I'm with you on that.

Dave Conley:

I think the thing that, that became more clear to me on this.

Dave Conley:

Episode was

Dave Conley:

the medical providers aren't really there for you.

Dave Conley:

They are.

Dave Conley:

And they're not the insurance companies aren't really there for you.

Dave Conley:

The big pharma, big food.

Dave Conley:

They're not there for you.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Dave Conley:

You have to be there for you.

Dave Conley:

And all of those.

Dave Conley:

institutions, all of those systems, all of those people in those systems,

Dave Conley:

those are our tools and resources that you have to be knowledgeable

Dave Conley:

about, that you have to work.

Dave Conley:

You can't be the subject of those.

Dave Conley:

You have to be the master of those.

Dave Conley:

And I think too many people just forfeit their health and being.

Dave Conley:

To these systems and these people and these institutions that don't have

Dave Conley:

necessarily their best interest in mind because they have other masters,

Dave Conley:

they have profits to make, they have other things that are going on.

Dave Conley:

It's not that they're trying to kill you or that they're trying to keep you sick.

Dave Conley:

It's just that the system doesn't really do a good job of balancing optimal

Dave Conley:

outcomes for you as an individual and it is up to you to be at the center

Dave Conley:

of this universe, not insurance companies, not medical providers,

Dave Conley:

not big pharma, not agriculture.

Dave Conley:

Those people are not at the center of the universe.

Dave Conley:

You are.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

I like that take.

Jerremy Newsome:

And it made my heart smile when Amanda said that the big initial shift that fixes

Jerremy Newsome:

a lot of these problems is education.

Jerremy Newsome:

me and you both know that listeners know that, but making those tweaks, making

Jerremy Newsome:

those adjustments, we are validated and aware that those are the actual problems.

Jerremy Newsome:

It starts with what we're teaching kids, how we're teaching kids,

Jerremy Newsome:

obviously the when are we teaching them?

Jerremy Newsome:

Where are we teaching them?

Jerremy Newsome:

How are we teaching them?

Jerremy Newsome:

Why are we teaching them?

Jerremy Newsome:

Who's teaching them?

Jerremy Newsome:

All those things need to be shifted, adjusted and changed.

Jerremy Newsome:

So listeners, appreciate you loving on this podcast.

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If you have not done it already where it's a reviewable podcast, click five stars.

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write up a review for us because allegedly it helps more people become aware of

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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