Third Parties and Poetry: Rethinking Immigration Through Reciprocity and Reform

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Picking up from bold reimaginings, we land on the big what-ifs: Could a

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third party like Elon's shake up the

gridlock holding immigration back?

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Today, we blend practical fixes

like ranked choice voting with

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poetry that cuts deep—reminding

us no one flees home lightly.

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And finally, what did we

all learn from this journey?

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The answers might surprise you.

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Jerremy Newsome: Speaking of, an

American immigrant, AKA Elon Musk

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is creating a third party, the

American Party as he's calling it.

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So with a five minutes, I would

love each of your take on that,

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just or five, five minutes or less.

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Jerry, what's your take on,

building a third party, I would say.

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What's your thoughts?

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Is it gonna work?

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Jerry Valerio: I think it opens up the

door to, for more accountability from our,

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in our political system by having we can't

just be two, there has to be more choice.

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So whether it's three, four,

or five parties, seen that

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happen in other countries.

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And I think it some ways it

helps, balances the spectrum.

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'cause with two parties right now, we just

have a push pull with extremes, right?

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That needs to be moderated by

ha having other options, right?

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So like libertarians are not large enough.

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I think by and large, most people,

would consider themselves libertarian,

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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Jerry Valerio: I think we also vote

with the understanding that I want

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my vote to be able to impact and

therefore I'm gonna choose the one

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party that has the best shot at winning.

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It's a bad way to look at it.

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I actually like the idea that

I'm seeing in some states about

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this whole rank voting process.

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Where you have multiple

candidates and then you, then

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you have a, a runoff, right?

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So let's say the top three of the

five or whatever gets a runoff

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whoever gets the most votes.

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I think that seems to be a much,

much better option to be being able

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to break the two party cycle if we

introduce something like that as well.

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Jerremy Newsome: Audrey.

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Audrey Medina: I, I'm also

pretty heavy on the rank choice.

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Idea because it allows people to

say, well, hey listen, I really

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like this Green Party candidate,

this independent this, libertarian,

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this, whatever, you know, person.

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I don't know that they'll win,

but I wanna vote for them anyway

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because that's who I align with.

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And you know what?

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Just in case they don't get the

numbers, and here's the one I

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think might win, and yada yada.

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And then based on what, when

everything comes through, it, it,

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you're not throwing away your vote.

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You've said, I prefer this one.

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However, if that doesn't work,

then I'll go to my next choice.

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And then it gets counted into there.

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as far as will it work?

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So the fun fact about why third

parties have not historically gained

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traction in the US is primarily

because it requires getting them in

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all the lower forms of government

to even be considered functional.

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So you have to have your school

boards, you have to have your

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railroad commissioners, you have

to have your judges, you have to

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have your mayors throughout the

nation that are also in this party.

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And if you're only focusing on the

presidential portion, you're gonna have

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a lot of pushback and you're gonna have

a very ineffectual government at the

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federal level without the participation.

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And people advocating for that,

basically that that political structure

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that shows and demonstrates that,

yeah, it can work, it works in my

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community, da da da works in my, uh,

in this section for this district.

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And it, there's just no

demonstration of it working.

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There's not that faith.

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And so then what happens is when you have

somebody who's going to make it to that

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level in this other party that's never

been tried before, I think we're at a

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point in human, in, in American history,

and there's so much division that I

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think we're up to that boiling point.

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But then the problem's gonna be that

particular candidate is almost set up for

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failure because there's not gonna be the

type of cooperation that's gonna be needed

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to do anything meaningful in their term.

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And so that's where the, the rub is, is

how when you're setting up this for Elon

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Musk, for example, with the American

America, what does American Party,

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Jerremy Newsome: Markable.

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Audrey Medina: if he, if he sets that

up, he's got years basically to get

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people throughout the country, not

only to join this political movement,

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but to run in that political movement

in order for by the time you're

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doing well, less than three years,

by the time you count the political

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trail or the, the election period.

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To actually do something and

show and have some kind of, of.

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Return on investment, I guess you could

say, showing that, hey, it's functional.

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I've got all these people all across, look

at all these positions that have now been

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filled by people in the American Party.

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That one's a tricky one, but I think that

where we are right now as a nation that's

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figuring it itself out, this is very

much reminiscent of the, um, Dixie party.

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When the party Democrats and

Republicans basically swapped their

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platforms, it's very reminiscent

of that time period where there

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Jerremy Newsome: Right.

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Audrey Medina: be some, some, maybe it's

just an interim, and then eventually

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we just swap back and forth again.

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I, I don't know, but it does

feel like we're getting to that

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boiling point, that pressure point.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah,

which is fascinating.

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Jerry Valerio: I did wanna add something.

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Earlier, Audrey, you had talked

about, the American public being

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un uninformed or misinformed.

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an interesting concept.

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Your right to vote.

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You don't automatically get it there.

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There could be just like a driver's

license, a whole education demonstrating

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you understand the process, you

understand the current themes, that

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are affecting America, and you have to

pass just like your driver's license.

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That gives you the privilege.

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I think if we had something

like that, then people would

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hopefully take advantage.

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Audrey Medina: we used to, and it

was highly weaponized and it was.

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Used to disenfranchise the vote.

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And that is where as a nation, like

regardless of if we go back to that or

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not, without us actually looking at our

past, understanding it and building from

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that experience and saying, Hey, yeah,

no, we did some really bad crap throughout

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all of those many, many decades.

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We, we weaponized this,

we weaponized that.

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And actually being honest and, and not

shying away and not trying to just only

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say we're the greatest nation on earth.

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We are, but we could lose that.

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It's a freedom has to be kept.

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Like you have to protect it.

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And if we are only looking and saying,

oh, look at this shiny stuff and not

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fixing our problems, then we run the risk

of running into the exact same cycles.

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And the only problem with those types of

tests is that this nation, they have only

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ever been used to disenfranchise the boat.

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I would love to have a

more informed public.

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I would love to have real journalism.

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Again, I know it exists, but it's

hard to find and it's also not free.

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That's another problem that we

have is the free sources for news.

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It's all skewed sources, left or right.

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It's all over the place,

but it, that's what's free.

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And what's actual

journalism now costs money.

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And most people simply will

not do that or cannot do that.

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So now it's like up to a public, to

the person to stay informed, but at

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the same time, we've now built a system

where getting that information is

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its own version of Act of Congress.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Well, this will be fun to

hear from Dave, just about the

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American Party, which you thought

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Dave Conley: I mean, I, I like

it and I think, you know, you

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and I have to seriously look at

what they're talking about, but

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we, third parties already exist.

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I mean, the, you know,

the what's his name?

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Yang, uh, the, for

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Audrey Medina: Yeah,

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Dave Conley: Yang, the, the Forward Party.

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There's the No Labels Party which is,

you know, already a bunch of oligarchs,

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Audrey Medina: was Yeezy's party, but I

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What

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Dave Conley: li you know, Libert, right?

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Libertarians, the Greens, the,

I, you know, like, I, I mean,

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don't ever bet against Elon,

you know, like him of anyone.

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I mean, the, the Republicans

have gone through a significant

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shift in the last 10 years and.

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The Democrats have not.

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And it's time, you know, like every

party goes through its evolutions.

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And it's, it's, you know, beyond time

for the Democrats to go through their own

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evolution and to, to be something new.

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I think if I was looking at

something structurally, I, you

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know, I'd be looking at things.

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I mean, I like the idea

of ranked choice voting.

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I had that within in San

Francisco, and it, it really did,

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you know, do some good things.

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I like that.

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I definitely like the idea of

having public funding of candidates.

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It allows for anybody to run.

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You know, like that's what happened

in New York City was public matching,

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so that enabled somebody who was

like, kind of nobody to come out

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of, somewhere and really, you know,

really make a difference quickly by

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having, you know, a coherent message

and actually having money behind it.

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I think if I was looking at something

structural we have 438 representatives

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in the, in the US Congress, and

that's been capped for decades.

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You know, by legislation, but

it's against the constitution.

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So I would lift that cap.

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Like we have one representative

basically for 80, 90,000 people.

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I would say, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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We need to have a representative for

like every, every 20,000, 40,000, you

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know, like double and triple the number

of congressional representatives.

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And that would, by definition create a

lot more coalitions, uh, because they're,

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they're like the Tea Party coalition in

the, in the Democrat or the Republicans

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had a lot of power, you know, uh, 10,

20 years, uh, 10, 15 years ago because

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they were able to stick together.

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And so like coalitions sticking

together can actually get

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some interesting stuff done.

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So I would, I would raise the cap on the

number of, of representatives in Congress.

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That's where I'd start.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Fascinating.

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Very, very fascinating.

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Friends, family team, Americans, thank

you so much for listening to this episode.

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Audrey has a poem, first poem that's been

on the podcast that she would love to

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read to wrap up this episode immigration.

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So, Audrey, the floor is yours.

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Audrey Medina: I read the poem,

I am going to do just a little

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disclaimer, disclaimer, warning.

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poem is specifically from a refugee

perspective in regards to immigration.

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with that, it's, it's

definitely a deeper topic.

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And I am also gonna say there

is one racial slur in there,

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and it's an important one.

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I've read it many times, and there's kind

of no way to get around it because as,

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as somebody who also writes, I have to

do justice to the person who wrote it.

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And it was a very

intentionally selected word.

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With that disclaimer in mind,

the poem is called Home.

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It is by Warsan Shire, and uh, here we go.

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No one leaves home unless

home is the mouth of a shark.

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You only run for the border when you

see the whole city running as well.

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Your neighbor's running faster than

you breath bloody in their throats.

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The boy you went to school with who

kissed you dizzy behind the old 10 factory

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is holding a gun bigger than his body.

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only leave home when

home won't let you stay.

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No one leaves home unless home chases you

fire under feet, hot blood in your belly.

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It's not something you ever

thought of doing until the blade

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burnt threats into your neck.

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And even then you carried the anthem

under your breath, only tearing up your

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passport in an airport toilet sobbing

as each mouthful of paper made it

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clear that you wouldn't be going back.

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You have to understand that no one

puts their children in a boat unless

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the water is safer than the land.

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No one burns their palms under

trains beneath carriages.

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No one spends days and nights in the

stomach of a truck feeding on newspaper.

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Unless the miles traveled means

something more than the journey.

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No one crawls under fences.

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No one wants to be beaten, pitied.

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No one chooses refugee camps or strip

searches where your body is left aching

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or prison because prison is safer than a.

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City of fire and one prison guard in

the night is better than a truckload

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of men who look like your father.

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No one could take it.

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No one could stomach it.

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No one skin would be tough enough.

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The home, the go home, blacks, refugees,

dirty immigrants, asylum seekers

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sucking our country dry niggers with

their hands out, they smell strange,

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Savage messed up their country,

and now they wanna mess up hours.

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How do the words the dirty

looks, roll off your backs?

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Maybe because the blow is

softer than a limb torn off.

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Or the words are more tender than 14

men between your legs or the insults

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are easier to swallow than rubble than

bone, than your child body in pieces.

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I want to go home, but home

is the mouth of a shark.

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Home is the barrel of a gun and

no one would leave home unless

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home chased you to the shore.

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Unless home told you to quicken your legs.

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Leave your clothes behind.

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Crawl through the desert, wade

through the oceans, drown, save,

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be hunger, beg, forget pride.

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Your survival is more important.

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No one leaves home until home

is a sweaty voice in your ear

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saying, leave run away from me.

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Now, I don't know what I've become, but

I know that anywhere is safer than here.

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Jerremy Newsome: Powerful.

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I love poetry.

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I love the way it pierces the soul and

opens up new paradigms and beliefs.

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Jerry, you would like to have

a closing remark as well.

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Jerry Valerio: I am of the strong

belief that the American spirit

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is built on the immigrant spirit.

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And the one phrase that resonates

in my mind, and it's funny because

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I actually shared this with earlier

today, phrase is, I can, because I am.

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And the I can, because I am immigrant,

I can because I am American.

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Those are equivalent.

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Jerremy Newsome: Ah, man.

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Did I learn?

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Dave Conley: What did you learn?

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Jerremy Newsome: Oh, this is a big one.

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That's what I learned.

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This is not one of those we're gonna

solve with a, I do this I, what I

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also learned is it's gonna be really

great for me, another portion of.

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Information from a very politically

vested aspect that, as I mentioned

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earlier, I do not think that this should

be on the shoulders of one person.

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not think the President should have that

much say so, how immigration is created,

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because especially if the president is

a direct immigrant or not, historically

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they're not 'cause they can't be.

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I really don't truly see that

one individual having the to

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make such a powerful judgment

call over so many people.

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I do think that there can definitely be

elements that the president can protect

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and can provide and can be aware of.

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And as a a, I love the question

that you asked, like, Hey, should

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we just open up everything?

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I, I think that aspect of the presidential

policy of having a protection,

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having something in place, having the

awareness that yes, every country should

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have a country should have borders.

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That's what makes a country.

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And knowing the facilitation that

there are other people, there are

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other individuals like you mentioned,

representatives like the house, that

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that could be expanded upon more,

representatives that would be tasked

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with something of this magnitude, I think

is much more relevant and prevalent.

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And I also truly believe that.

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Audrey made a great point.

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There's every aspect of our society

is probably gonna be at some point

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touched upon immigration, and I

think we kind of demonize it in

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such a way that it's us versus them.

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It's the people that have made it

versus the people that haven't.

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And I think that's really what causes

a lot of the uproar and the riots and

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the anger and the frustration is really

because it is a a caste system, right?

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If you are, even if you are a an

American resident citizen, there's

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a massive difference, right?

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If you are an immigrant that became a

citizen, there's still a difference.

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If you were born here, if you

were not born here, if your

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parents came, they didn't come.

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There's this classification that probably,

I think ultimately shouldn't be there.

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And I think that probably

is a top down approach.

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Someone who is ultimately able to share

the vision that all Americans, why they're

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here, what we should all do together,

what type of value we should all create.

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that focus and having that

awareness, I think is gonna be a

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really, really key aspect to making

these proper, adequate changes.

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What did you learn, Dave?

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Dave Conley: I am still processing it.

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Like I, I've been sitting here, I was

thinking about it when you were wrapping

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up and I'm like, what did I learn?

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And I don't know, uh, I'm gonna actually,

I'm gonna listen back to this as we edit

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it and, and I'm, I'm not exactly sure.

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I know I learned something like there's

a, there's a, there's nuggets in there and

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I'm sort of just kind of going through it.

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I know basically, like immigrants

are awesome and like first generation

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immigrant, you know, like, I mean,

the amount of bravery that I feel

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like it takes to pull up stakes

from wherever you are on the

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planet and be like, you know what?

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I'm moving.

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I'm, you know, like I'm, I'm going to

like, go someplace else on the planet.

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I'm gonna go to America and

see what it's all about.

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It feels like an incredibly brave thing

to me and to the grit and resolve and

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the drive that someone has in order to

go do that and create a family and then

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create wealth and businesses and like

immigrants are amazing and like, that's

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exactly what this country's all about.

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And I, um,

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and it's, it's complicated.

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Uh, you know, it's, it's complicated.

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I mean, I live in, I live in Miami

and you know, like I'm very much

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in like it's, I feel very much in

the minority you know, being a.

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English speaking.

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And it's a different experience for me.

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You know, like, it definitely feels

like a foreign country in a lot of ways.

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And I think sometimes I, I, sometimes

I have like a, like a negative

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emotion to that and I'm like, oh my

God, is this a little bit of racism?

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And I'm like, ah, I'm not racist,

but like, yeah, that's, that's

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not the best, you know, like,

step back check yourself, Dave.

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Like, what's that?

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You know, what is that?

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Right.

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Like, why, why do you feel that?

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When I was talking to, to Audrey and,

and to Jerry before this, you know, just

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to get a sense for where they wanted

to go, and so we could have this they

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both said something independently.

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They said, you know, what was

really key for their parents and

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their parents' parents and Audrey's

sense, what was incredibly key for

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them was, uh, the English language.

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You know, Jerry said, you know,

like I, I, I can't speak Phil,

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you know, Filipino tag along.

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I'm, I'm not sure I'm, forgive me folks.

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Yeah.

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For, for not knowing that.

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And he said it, it kind of sucks, you

know, like I, you know, I have trouble,

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you know, sometimes, you know, with

family and, like, I, I wish I'd, I'd, I'd

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paid more attention, you know, growing.

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But then he said, and the thing that

assimilates you more than anything

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else is not having that language.

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And just having English.

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And I think that that's, that's

an interesting thing to say.

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I, I, you know, I, I like that, in,

in that, it, it is very unifying

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to have a unified language.

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And I think we already have

that, even though we don't

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really have a national language.

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I, I think it's, it's pretty cool that

we can say, okay, like, English is, is

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like our, you know, how we get along and

how we get around and saying that, most

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of the things around here are in Spanish.

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But uh, I think it's an easy thing

to do and say is like, you know,

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like, we're going to, we're gonna

have our education in English.

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We're going to, you know, make

sure our kids know English.

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I know a lot of countries besides their

language, they also teach English.

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I think, you know, having a real emphasis

on the English language for anybody you

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know, who, uh, doesn't speak English

as a native language or, uh, speaks a,

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speaks a different language primarily.

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I think that that'd be kind of a thing.

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That's something I learned.

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Jerremy Newsome: Love it.