Immigration’s $8.9 Trillion Reality—Why Politics Keeps Failing America

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Dave, we're bringing the heat.

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Oh my goodness.

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You know what I'm excited about, man?

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Mo.

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Tons of things.

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One of them being we're over 100

episodes in and now we get to discuss

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and talk about Immigration Nation.

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What did we learn?

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Which is so far been

everyone's favorite, right?

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Once we go through something, we deep

dive, we have interviews, discussions,

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chats, breakthroughs, monumental

awakenings, paradigm shifts, and then we

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wrap it all together on what do we learn,

and that's where we're at right now.

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Dave: This has also

been our longest series.

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Like I have learned all the

different topics we've done.

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I mean, I've loved every

single one of them.

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And you were like, let's do immigration.

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I went like, oh, okay.

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How are we gonna approach this?

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That's a hot topic.

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Let's do it.

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And in all the topics,

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school shootings and

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Jerremy: Actually, I think you

said, oh, no one's gonna get

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offended by anything we discussed,

then it's gonna be perfectly fine.

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Dave: this has been fun.

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And I feel changed from it.

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So I think this is, what did we learn?

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I learned a lot.

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Jerremy: That's cool.

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So for a moment, when you

say you felt change tell me

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a little bit more about that.

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What does that mean, or how

does that resonate with you and

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Where do you feel that shift?

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Dave: I think coming into this, I came

in with a certain amount of, yeah.

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Illegal immigration, bad.

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Yeah.

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I'm okay with deportations, but you know,

how it's happening now is just barbaric.

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And immigrants, you

know, is it really good?

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You know, like, immigration

very confused, right?

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It's like, uh, immigration is good.

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And I was sort of a mixed bag on it.

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But also growing up in a very diverse,

immigrant rich world, it's like, I

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don't have anything against this.

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I just saw it as a problem.

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Yet another American

problem is immigration.

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And then really hearing, well,

it's a problem of our own

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making like so many things.

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It's a problem of our political

class, and how that's failing us.

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It's.

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A problem of perception

more than anything.

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And I came out with a couple of

things that I think really shifted me,

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which was, this is such an economic

problem in so many different ways

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and can be solved economically.

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When we take the word illegal out of

this discussion and put in economic

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prosperity and drive this through what

everybody's doing, which is they're

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coming here, they're working, they're

contributing to society, and let's take

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the illegal legal thing out of this.

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Let's simplify this.

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Let's make this about great

jobs and great families.

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English is really important.

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That came up so many times.

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It almost sounded a little bit, I

don't know if racist is the right word,

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it sounded a little bit like Oggie.

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But then when you talk to a bunch

of immigrants and second and third

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generation immigrants, they're

like, oh no, English was clutch.

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And America is so good about

immigration integration.

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Wow.

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I'll say that five times.

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And the big key thing for

everyone we talked to was like,

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oh, English was the thing.

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Like my parents, they wouldn't allow

us to speak any other language.

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And in a way I thought

about like, my father.

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My father came from the south,

and when he moved to Washington

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DC he forced his accent out.

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And because if you're from the

south and you have an accent, you're

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immediately thought of as stupid.

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And I think same, same in this world,

which is if you don't have command of the

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English language, you're seen as foreign.

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Even if you've been here 40 years,

you know, even if you've lived here

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longer than you have anywhere else, if

you don't have command of the English

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language, then you're seen as, as other,

as less than or from somewhere else.

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And no matter what you look like,

where you come from, what you do, but

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if you have command of the English

language, it's like, oh, welcome.

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So that was a couple of things for me.

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What was, what are some,

some highlights for you?

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Jerremy: Highlights, number one, having

just really good conversations with

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people that, number one, really care

about the topic, but also number two,

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they have a lot of information about it.

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We

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had tons of really unique characters in

this go around with different opinions.

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We got a nice little fight.

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We got left, we got right, we got some

excitement there, which I really enjoyed.

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And also we're coming up with just some

general Hey, this is what is working.

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This is what can work.

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This is what should work.

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This is a problem.

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AKA paperwork, lawyers fees,

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lines, and here's some solutions.

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And they were pretty fast.

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Like we had a lot of really great, let's

implement this as quick as possible.

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'cause it really wouldn't be that

challenging, wouldn't be that hard.

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And one of the things I never really sat

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down and really looked at or

studied probably would be that how

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immigration does drive us economic

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growth, right?

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Adding 8.9

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trillion to the gross domestic

product and filling vital labor gaps.

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I think me just really seeing that from

a, how much is the impact maybe, or

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for whatever particular reason, I just

didn't notice or know how large it would

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be or should be, or could be or was.

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And to see a, 8.9

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trillion if our annual gross

domestic has called 25,

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so we're at 30%.

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That's massive.

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And then we had a lot of distinction

in different types of immigrants

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and learning about their battles

and their choices, right?

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We had people that do not

live here, that just work

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here, that still can't get citizenship

that really want to, but they live in the

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us.

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We have people that don't work here

at all that do wanna come here.

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And they have a hard time.

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We have people that come here illegally

and then they get a job, somehow get paid

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in cash and can't get, become a citizen.

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And then we have people that are like,

oh, you have a bunch of money come on in.

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I think all of our listeners know my

ultimate objective of this entire podcast

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and this entire process is to just

really have a great grasp on not only

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the problems, but most importantly the

utions as I run for President: 2032

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And I really believe that there

should be and could be a more focused

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approach on individual government

sections articles, processes that

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do not rely on one sole individual,

which to date has been an old white

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man dictating how immigration happens.

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And that's what's been.

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Forever obviously, right?

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You have the deporter in chief, the

one non-white old man, but still

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everything rested on his shoulders

and was kicking people out left

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and right, and somehow the media

portrayed him as the coolest guy ever.

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Nicest, kindest human being

of all time, which is cool.

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That's probably a whole other subject,

but that's the thing I learned, man.

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I do not believe in my heart of hearts

that the immigration decisions should

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rest, which where they do now really

in the lap of one person, which is the

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president, and that just seems like a

little too much immediate divisive power

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to

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me.

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Dave: there is a news story that's

making the rounds right now, actually,

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and it came out of some tragedy here

in Florida where I'll just, I'll use

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the language of, the news people.

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An illegal alien who was driving

a tractor trailer, made an illegal

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U-turn and killed three people and

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Jerremy: And they are

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Dave: Losing their, losing their

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minds.

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Jerremy: I'm trying to

think of a good verb.

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Losing their minds.

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Dave: Guy comes over from I

think he's Indian national

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uh, quote unquote illegally.

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I don't even know how, he

came into the United States.

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He got some sort of status under

Obama and in California he qualified

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for a commercial driver's license.

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Okay, fine.

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And then Trump comes in changes, it

puts him on deportation like quick

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deportation started that process.

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Biden comes in and this guy applies

for amnesty and is granted it.

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Except the deportation

law was still in place.

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And then the Trump administration

comes back in and says, this

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guy couldn't speak English.

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We've already changed.

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You know, we did an executive

order on that, on English language.

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And he can't even identify, road signs.

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So I heard all of this and I went,

okay, this actually typifies exactly,

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I mean, this is exactly the issue,

which is this guy for nine years has,

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been wrapped around the axle from one

administration to the next administration,

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to the next administration, to the

current administration, four different

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administrations, and in nine years.

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And this guy has been told.

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he got a commercial driver's license,

and he killed a bunch of people.

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Now, here's the thing, if we took the

fact out of this that he was quote

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unquote illegal, the real problem

here is the state of California.

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Like, who is handing out

commercial driver's licenses?

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Somebody you can't drive.

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I mean, that's what it gets down to it.

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The legal illegal thing is sort of

irrelevant, except it's telling me

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that this cannot be with one person.

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Like, we need to actually change the laws.

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I don't understand any of this.

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Right?

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Like I, when it gets down to it,

our political class has failed us.

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My question is why, you know,

like when we talk to Melissa.

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She was like, look, this is bonkers.

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You know, like I'm printing things

out and they're scanning them in

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and I'm faxing, you know, like it

was outta the eighties, and the

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laws haven't changed much since 86.

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And she said the laws that are

there are basically either special

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interest or a patchwork of stuff

that was valid 50 years ago.

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But you know, now in the 21st

century, it makes zero sense.

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So it's like, why is it in the best

interest of our legislature to do nothing?

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That's the part where I don't get it.

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I dunno, is it the same thing with

healthcare and all the other things

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that actually matter to people is like,

ah, they're not getting paid to do it.

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Nobody's paying our legislatures.

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Like they, they don't.

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They're not being paid enough

money by some weird special

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interest to do something.

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If this actually had something to

do with national security and just

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being sponsored by some other country,

it'd probably be done in 15 minutes.

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Right?

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Jerremy: It would be,

that's exactly correct.

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And that could be a solution right there.

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Hey, if you would've come here in this

country your country needs to pay for it.

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Dave: All

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Jerremy: All you need

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to do is have a check written by your

country and you can come right on

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over.

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But I think

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that's

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Dave: Let's talk a little

bit about the economic stuff.

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Like you mentioned trillions of dollars.

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I still can't even imagine

what a trillion dollars is.

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It's a lot, and then I also think

about how gummed up this process

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is 4 million pending court cases.

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Is it, what's the phrase?

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It's, uh, justice delayed Is

justice denied 4 million cases.

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That's ridiculous.

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people are going to be in these

situations for decades, and in the

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meantime, they're gonna have families,

they're gonna establish themselves,

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and then at the end of this process,

they're gonna actually show up to

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some sort of court case and somebody's

gonna throw 'em outta the country.

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I think what I'm, I.

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Our big, fight that we had, a lot of

it was economic based, you know, like

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immigrants are taking our jobs and we've

dispelled that in fact, one of the things

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that we talked about with Melissa was

it's like, we also need to change the Visa

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program where, yeah, you can get a PhD in

mathematics here, but if you need somebody

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to turn a wrench or to sell something

or to start a business, good luck.

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They're never gonna get into the country.

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I think my question to you is, what

happens when there's an economic

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downturn in the United States?

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Because there is going to be,

like it's not always up, but what

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happens when things go down and when

people get into a scarcity mindset,

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when there is competition for

jobs, do you think that will turn.

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Even uglier for immigrants,

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Jerremy: Oh yeah.

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I can't have someone say they took our

jobs without thinking about the South

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Park episode because they did that

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two decades ago.

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They took her and they just kept

going and going and it's really

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this fallacy I shouldn't say

it's a fallacy, it's a mindset.

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It's a belief.

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My opinion, I live more and what

I think is an abundance mindset.

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And then you have other people that are

gonna live in more of a scarcity mindset.

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And the scarcity mindset is

there'll never be enough jobs.

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And we have a limited amount and we're

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gonna run out.

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But the thought process there

is if you study more history and

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you talk about the industrial

revolution changes all jobs, right?

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Like in the 1890s, 99% of

every job that existed was

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agrarian.

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Meaning it had something to do with food

or land, or growing something, right?

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It was agricultural based, 99%.

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And so now today, it's less

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than 1%.

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So no one's growing

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shit, no one cares, right?

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We got seven

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farmers on

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this

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Dave: I think one of 'em

is Bill Gates, right?

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Doesn't he own like a

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Yeah.

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Tons of

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Jerremy: Bill Gates is the best

farmer, and you're correct.

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So less than 1% is agrarian,

and now we're all doing

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it stuff.

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Okay?

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So AI comes, immigrants come,

all these jobs get displaced,

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taken, removed, and changed.

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What is the entire world gonna do?

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And the answer is we're going to have to

adapt to something we always will, right?

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Necessity is the mother of invention.

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When humans sit around with

like, how do I make money?

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And that thought comes in

your mind every single day,

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you're gonna come up with ways.

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And that's one of the reasons

that podcasts blew up.

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And I would say in the two thousands

for sure, but definitely: 2000

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20 like COVID started happening.

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Everyone's oh yeah, let's do podcasts.

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And I know seven people personally.

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I'm one of them that had a podcast during

that time that exploded because it just

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happened to be everyone was listening

to podcasts and the good ones took off.

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Alright, that's an example of, hey, let's

pick a random person that I know named

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Greg was making $8,000 a year start a

podcast, and because of podcasting and

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three businesses that he could spend

more time, energy, and effort on, took

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his income from 80,000 to 300,000.

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Now he's employing more people.

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He's paying more taxes.

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All the things happened, all because

of podcasting he literally quit his

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job as a police officer and started

podcasting and building a business.

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Now he transformed what he did.

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Humans will do that.

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Alex: Personal shifts unpacked,

economic truths revealed—but

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what if scarcity’s just a myth?

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Next, we dive into the math proving

America’s limitless potential.