Scarcity is a Lie—How America Can Absorb the World and Prosper

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What if America’s limits are just a myth?

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Jerremy’s math proves we could welcome

the world, while a fresh take on settlers

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versus immigrants rewrites our history—and

mentorship paves the way forward.

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this is my abundance mindset, is if a

bunch of immigrants come into the us.

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They take all of these jobs, even

the ones that hard fought want

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to keep, I wanna keep my job.

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And they take from you.

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That's 'cause they're better than you.

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They thought more,

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Practice more, they cared more.

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Or they're extremely

less costly than you are.

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It's one of those factors, right?

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If someone takes your job,

it's 'cause you suck at it.

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You're not good at it, you produce, or

you're too expensive, meaning you're not

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providing enough revenue or decreasing

the cost of whatever job you're enough.

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If you're

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doing one of those two

things, you'll keep your job.

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Alright?

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So you get your job taken from

an immigrant what do you do?

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Just go create another one.

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That's what you're gonna do.

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Go literally go find another one.

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Go find another business.

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Go find something to

create, to build, to make.

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That's what American

ingenuity is all about.

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And so that's my theory, dude, is I

don't think that's ever gonna happen.

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Like in 50, 60, 80 years from

you robots doing everything,

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you have an idealization, and

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I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.

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You have an idealization of

what some people would call post

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abundance, not post scarcity.

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Maybe it's post scarcity,

like after everyone's afraid.

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You have this world where money is easy.

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Yes, inflation is up, but now

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20% of the world is millionaires.

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Now millionaires can't buy as

much 'cause inflation's up.

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But you still have a lot more money

than you have now, relatively speaking.

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And jobs are faster.

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Everyone's creative.

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They're doing music, they're doing

podcasts, they're doing radio.

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People pay for the gig economy.

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This person made me laugh.

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Here's 10 bucks.

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This person made my day easier.

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Here's 10 bucks.

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This person cooked this

really cool meal, here's $10.

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And now I have more money because I

hired 17 robots to go out and drive my

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Tesla cars and take people everywhere.

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And I got paid a certain amount of money.

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'cause my Tesla's making me

money 'cause robot's driving it.

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And I don't have to pay

the robot as much money.

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And then, oh, I'm gonna trade the

financial markets because I have more

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money and the financial market's going up.

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So now you have more money.

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There's a world that exists

out there in my opinion.

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And that's why I wanna lead this into

where it's actually easier, it's simpler.

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We make more money, we have more

money, we have more opportunities.

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That's for everybody.

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And that's an abundance, like

that's an abundance mindset where

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that's where the future is going.

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there's not enough land in the United

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States

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: do anything.

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Pick it.

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You could have every

single human being on this.

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live in America,

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: everyone gets three acres.

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Like now you have to

spread out evenly, but

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everyone gets three or four acres.

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Everyone has a job and

we have plenty of food.

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And then every other land

has no one in it, right?

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No one exists.

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Birds run around, fly around.

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There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.

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Everything is a natural preserved park.

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We have that much room

in the US and then some.

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That's a lot of room 8 billion

people to live in the US no problem.

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You have to spread 'em around, okay?

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They're gonna be a lot of people

in Nevada that's not there now.

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You have a lot of people in parts of

California, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,

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Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there's

a lot of land out there, man, a lot.

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Now granted the government might have

to buy some from some of the private

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landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.

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Maybe.

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I don't think it's a problem.

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I think there's so much to go around

and that's my belief, but I think

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mathematically it's provable, right?

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That's what's unique is like we can

actually prove it, ultimately we

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have so much available that not only

can this country sustain the world,

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but so many other countries that

are available can sustain the world.

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We can figure it out and if people are

taking all of our jobs in this country

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and no one has a job, the jobs that

they took probably produce enough income

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where you could have something because

the government's taking care of you.

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I'm not saying that's gonna

happen, but that happens for

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a lot of people right now.

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That's the case right now is when

you and I create income and we pay a

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tax, they're taking some of our tax

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money to live off on.

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I've never in my life, and I've

been as poor as you can grow up in

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the us, didn't have food stamps or

any type of government protection.

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I just had to catch fish and eat it.

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And if I didn't catch any fish and

eat that day I went to bed hungry.

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Okay, cool.

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Hey good for you.

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So for that to occur, I don't

think that's gonna be a problem.

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I think there'll be a pinch

in, in the great depression.

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25% of

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people are unemployed.

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Now that sounds like a lot, and

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Dave: Yes,

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Jerremy: but that means 75% of

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people were employed.

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So only a quarter of the people, right?

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One out of four were not employed in the

great Depression, in the worst economic

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cycle America has ever seen in 2008.

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And you can fact check me on

this, I believe it was only

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15% of people were unemployed.

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That's still not that bad.

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And right now, again, people will, go

back and forth on what the numbers are.

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I think CPI is extremely high,

although they keep saying it's low.

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What actually is unemployment right now?

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Depending on where you look

at, it's around four to 5%.

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So if we have one of the worst economic

downturns in history that comes in

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the next two years, which isn't gonna

happen, by the way, I don't think it

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happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll get

up to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.

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And all the jobs that get

lost, people can't afford them.

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And then, yeah, immigrants might

take them and they're gonna

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work harder, longer for less.

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And if you want a job, you're

gonna have to figure out a way to

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create more income, reduce more

expenses, and be a better employee.

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And I think that ultimately is the

lesson for every single listener here.

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And I think that's just

the truth of all business.

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Dave: You know what I'm hearing is

that, a lot of our political class,

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a lot of the people who are in charge

of this right now, and a lot of people

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who are debating it haven't had A bunch

of different episodes exploring this.

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Like we have over the last few weeks

to really dig into this from a bunch

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of different angles that they'll

say, we can't do this, or we won't

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do this, or don't do this because

of fear and uncertainty and doubt.

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And you're saying, Hey, let's

flip this frown upside down.

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Yeah, there's always going

to be edge cases, but let's

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not manage to the edge cases.

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Let's not manage to the

fear, let's not manage it.

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Like how do we turn this, can't,

won't, and don't to can, will

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and do and doing something is way

better than where we are right now.

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Which is a system that

is fundamentally broken.

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I mean, we got onto a tangent

early on on this, which was.

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Like people are coming here for

economic prosperity and that just,

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that makes people crazy and it makes

people delighted at the same time.

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That was our big debate that we had.

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And you know, part of that is, is

that we've had a foreign policy that

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has had the American boot on the neck

of so many countries for decades.

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That man, how about we make

those countries great again?

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You know, like, I dunno about

you, but uh, like I don't think

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people want to leave their homes.

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They're being pushed to leave

their homes for some reason.

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They might be pulled here for a few

reasons, but they're leaving for a reason.

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But if they didn't have to

leave, people do wanna stay home.

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They wanna be in Venezuela or

Cuba or Europe or wherever, right?

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They're coming to America

for certain reasons.

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Maybe it's because of our freedom,

which like, yeah, there's a lot of

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countries where you can't be free.

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Maybe, uh, it's because of economics

and like, yeah, we can do that.

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We can help other countries do that.

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So part of that is being the model.

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Again, part of that is, is stop

screwing around with other countries.

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Some of that is, uh, being admired.

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Again, I don't think

America's very admired.

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But I, that was I think our big

debate, with David and Steven, which

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is that, you know, fundamentally, uh,

you know, like David was in that world

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of, you know, really looking at, well,

it's legal versus illegal, right?

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And we need to have more legal pathways.

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And Steven was like, Hey, this is all

economics and there are no legal pathways,

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Jerremy: correct.

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And it's 12 on a statement

I made earlier, 2.26

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billion acres in the us.

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So if you have 9 billion people, that's

about a quarter of an acre per person.

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So not three acres.

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But saying that to say, yeah, if we

have that type of room, we have that

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type of awareness, we have that type

of understanding, we have that type of

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size because that's just a math fact.

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If people come over, they

want economic prosperity.

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We do have that in this country.

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We have established and we

are young enough and we have

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enough size and resources.

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One of the best books that I've

ever read that you told me to read

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was Accidental Superpower.

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And as I was listening to this, I'm like,

this is just such a fascinating topic.

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Like we have so much

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Dave: It's

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Jerremy: in the US as

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far as resources go, just a

massive everything in droves.

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So as I think about this, I'm

over here listening to this book

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yeah, I think we have plenty.

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So to your point, man, when people come

over here, they really do want to come

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because they are going to have so much

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Dave: Oh

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Jerremy: And I fully believe in the

more begets more, is it more income?

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Is it more money?

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Is it more opportunity?

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Is it more to focus on the negative?

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Is it more drugs?

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Is it more murders?

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Sure.

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With more people you have more, with

more of anything, you're gonna have more.

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So you just need to have some ultimate

way to Yes of course, protect.

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We had our entire discussion on police and

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police reform, but I still think,

man, when you start talking

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about, oh, everyone's bad that's

coming into this border, like

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that's just such an Erroneously

incorrect statement, like you take

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a hundred people off the street

mathematically, it's like 1%

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or less are the negatives.

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It's the people that really wanna do

harm, that wanna hurt other people that

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just aren't quote unquote, what most

people would consider a great person.

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It's less than 1%.

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And for immigrants, it's

the exact same thing.

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It's such a small number that are

not bringing greatness over here.

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Most people want greatness.

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And again of course, just

my opinion, my beliefs.

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But that particular episode was

really fun and fiery and exciting

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because David and Steve, like they

were just to total polar opposites

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on the spectrum of the belief system.

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And that's good because from both

of those perspectives, I got a lot,

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I got actually re-fired up about.

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We should

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have a lot of immigrants come in here.

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Like even though the US wasn't founded

by immigrants, I actually said that

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a couple times in a couple episodes.

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I mistakenly apologize for that.

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It was founded by settlers.

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And those are, that's a

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Dave: Ooh, tell me what, tell me.

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I want to, I wanna learn this.

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What's a settler?

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Jerremy: so a settler is, I

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don't wanna live here anymore.

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I'm choosing to go somewhere

else and we're gonna go somewhere

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that most likely doesn't have

a lot of civilization and we're

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gonna go build our life there.

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Versus I know this place

exists and they're amazing.

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I'm gonna infiltrate that

place and try to live there.

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That's already

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built.

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Infiltrate

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using the word loosely.

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Dave: Settlers.

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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And so settlers is Hey listen, if

you are there and we don't like

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you, we're probably gonna murder

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you.

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Dave: God.

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Jerremy: Dude, that is a

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distinction, Dave, that

so many people love to

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just gloss

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over

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Vikings

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Dave: here to murder the people who are

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Jerremy: And they, we called them

Native Americans and they're like

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we're settling this

land and it's not yours.

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'cause we say, so we have guns and

you don't, sorry, it's now ours.

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The 11th president, that's what James Polk

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did, right?

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to take California, Oregon,

Washington from the Britains.

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Man, it was just fascinating.

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so there's a difference.

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Immigrants are,

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your country's better than ours

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and I wanna come live here.

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A settler is,

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I kinda like my country, but there's

something better and I will fight

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for it if I have to create my vision.

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Small distinction and I think

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Actually

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probably

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better.

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'Cause there's not a lot of

new countries being settled,

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present day.

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All right.

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So on that topic, if we create the

distinction of, all right, immigrants

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are incredible, Steve, in that exact

episode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.

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America was,

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Talk

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about small

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: and young it,

we are 250 years old,

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barely.

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And to think about how far this country

has come in 300 years, let's just call

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it 300 years for easy numbers compared to

any nation that's ever happened before,

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that was a superpower is remarkable.

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Speed.

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Remarkable.

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And we only did that because we

brought in people to this nation and

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those people did absolutely help build

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this country.

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And those were the vast majority,

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they were

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immigrants.

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Dave: yeah.

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Jerremy: That thought process brought

me to the conversation that we had with

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Audrey and Jerry because Audrey and

Jerry, they were, second generation

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or first generation, and their parents

came here for one reason, mostly was to.

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Work to create jobs to create for

themselves and had their kids here and

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really wanted to build a family and wanted

to build power and legacy and impact.

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And they were able to do that.

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And for me to just think through

using that conversation, using that

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discussion, using the terminologies

that both Audrey and Jerry were able to

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dictate and enunciate on the power of

that cultural identity saying, I have

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this, we have this, but we are together.

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And to create some level of unison unity

and having the remarkable capability

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and capacity to take that unity and

from that build, from that scale, from

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that to create a melting pot of hey.

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You have this exact same situation

that I had, you went through

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this exactly like I'm going,

through it Let's help each other.

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And it was in that episode where I

started putting the pieces together.

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Okay, I think we could that could

definitely be a alright, if you

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wanna come into this country go

get a job, I'm fine with that.

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probably gonna be a job that

American doesn't want anyway.

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And there's gonna be plenty of them.

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Go get a really cool job.

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And when you come here, connect

with a group of individuals who've

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already been here before and let

them guide you, let them pull you.

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And that's just a requirement.

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This is a terrible example, but think

about like a parole officer, right?

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Parole officer has Hey, here's these

things that you have to do to return as

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a returning citizen to the communities.

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Okay, if you're an immigrant

into this country and you.

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Check mark.

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You go through the AI adopted software,

automated system and process where we

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can take 95% of these core cases and

speed 'em up to days or weeks versus

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decades.

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And now, once they get that big

check mark, they go get a job

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and they're required to attend.

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Dude, I don't know, whatever.

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Community meetings,

let's have discussions.

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Let's do this together.

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Let's build each other up together.

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Let's remember why we're all here.

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We came to this country

to yes, have our heritage.

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And this was a big one that Audrey just,

I love how she stated this, but it was

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like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.

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Absolutely.

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And we still have that as our heritage.

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We saw that as our background.

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But I'm an American.

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I'm here now

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and we're gonna pour into it and

we're gonna celebrate our past.

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We're gonna celebrate where we came from.

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It's gonna be remarkable.

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It's gonna be incredible.

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It's gonna be an accomplishment.

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It's gonna be a feat.

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But we're Americans and we're in this

country for a reason and we're gonna build

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and we're gonna help other people build.

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And that just got me all excited.

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Dave: Yeah.

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We touched on that a little bit

with Svetlana and Olga too, right?

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I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, you

tend to find your communities, right?

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Particularly in, in cities.

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You find your people.

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I like the idea of.

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People helping people,

communities helping out.

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But didn't they also say there

are so many different programs and

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so many things that are already

available and it's, I don't know.

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I remember Olga looking, sounding a little

slant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,

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but you gotta get rid of all of the scams

and all of the people taking advantage

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of, of, uh, of immigrants or people

who are going through this gauntlet.

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And I think the phrase was, um,

a marathon through a minefield.

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You know?

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So what would it accomplish?

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because we also heard about

the crab potting too, right?

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So what would you envision, say a

second gen helping, a first gen doing?

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Is that what you're saying, right?

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It's ah,

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Jerremy: Yeah.

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I think Exactly.

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I'd

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Dave: we

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Jerremy: have that be

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Dave: a you need to have an advisor here.

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Jerremy: Exactly,

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Dave: A

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mentor.

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Jerremy: Americans do that.

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If you're born here,

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You have advisors.

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Those advisors are

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generally called

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Dave: Yeah,

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Jerremy: Mentors.

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What it does is it speeds up the process

so that if you have a marathon through

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a minefield, you know where to run.

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Don't put your foot there.

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Avoid this big

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iron metal, shiny thing.

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I think that too is it's just

a way to speed the process.

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Solana said, let's remove the story of

always having to be hard and having this

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link and this beauty attached to hardship,

because it doesn't have to be that way.

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These things can be easier, and if they're

easier, we'll create our own hard, right?

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That hard will be made.

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I love that people have to work diligently

and put a lot of effort into build

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something to scale something for that, to

really have a value associated with it.

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And yes, that'll never go away, but if

you have a mentor, a second generation

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appealing to a first generation

that says, here's what to avoid.

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Here's how to speed things up.

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Here's how to get a great job.

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Here's where you could pay taxes.

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Here's where you can do this.

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Avoid this, don't do this.

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Do this.

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Now that person can avoid

a lot of the hardships, and

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they'll have their own hardship.

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And their hardship might be, I

have to work more because I, now,

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I bought two houses and I live in

one and I rent out the other one.

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But there are some hardships that come

with owning two houses, and that hardship

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is just as unique and individualistic as

someone who has no house and has to rent

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and have to pay their money for rent.

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It's just a hardship.

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We're all gonna have our own hardships

because human beings, in my almost

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personal definition, are spiritual beings

that want to create a physical experience.

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And so we're going to create

hard things for ourselves.

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Naturally, it doesn't matter how easy

life is, we will find things to make hard

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because we want to experience that hard.

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So let's make it as easy as possible

because the faster it is, the easier

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it is, the quicker our immigrants love

to learn the country, love to learn the

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processes, fall in love with the people.

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I think it would create a,

they're no longer, less than.

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I think that was one of the very

first things you talked about.

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Davis was like, Hey, this is

no longer a we versus them.

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It's kinda like an us.

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It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.

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Awesome.

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You should connect with this group,

this person, this individual,

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and this is what you should do.

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Because that's, everyone knows

that's what we do now, right?

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We just have this protocol to

welcome people 'cause we don't

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have this disdain for, you do have

to be technically non-approved to

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start getting here at some point.

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There is a process of.

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Not approved to approved.

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What does that window look like?

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Let's short it, make it as easy

and quick and efficient and scaled

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down as possible so that we can

figure it out and we can continue to

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become the world's greatest country.

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'cause that's what put us here.

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And what got us here will continue

to get us where we want to go to a

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certain level, to a certain degree,

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Dave: Immigration, and let's

just extend that to becoming a

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citizen in the United States.

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Should that be easy or

should that be hard?

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Jerremy: I think it should be easier than

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it is now.

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But here's my thoughts though.

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Yes, it can be easy, but easy

can have very specific outlines.

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Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.

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You go 26.2

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miles.

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Dave: I'm

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Jerremy: a lot

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easier

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Dave: I, like that analogy.

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That's great.

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Jerremy: It's like it's a

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lot

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Dave: the

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Jerremy: easier.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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It's like we could still have

these, you gotta do, okay, this is

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maybe a tangent again, but imagine

if I said, in order to be an

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immigrant, legally, all you have to do is

come over to America, do 25 pushups, 25

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pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.

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That was it.

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That's all you have to do.

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And then boom, big check mark.

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That is easy for a

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lot of people, those three

things, and it's not easy

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for a lot of people as well, but

if you have a very clear standard

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that's, Hey, this is what it is.

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But that standard for the

majority of individuals is still

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something that is a fun challenge.

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I'm all for that.

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Then it just gives someone like,

Hey, this is a really easy process.

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We have to do these three things.

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But those three things are not inherently

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Dave: Yeah.

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Jerremy: ultimately that easy.

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Running a marathon like

it is, you just gotta go.

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26.2

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miles was like, okay.

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But it's actually hard to do it though.

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And I think that to me is

very fun and very realistic.

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It's create some type of pathway is like,

Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.

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And here it is, we'll just put it

on a piece of paper and we'll put it

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on street posts across the country.

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These are only 10 things you

gotta do to be here legally.

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And they're easy, but they're

a lot easier not to do.

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Alex: Abundance unlocked, mentorship

outlined—but who truly belongs?

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Next, we explore the heart of

immigration: character, patriotism,

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and stories that tie it all together.