Episode 150

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24th Dec 2025

Why 80% of Undocumented Immigrants Have Been Here 10+ Years (Full)

You think the immigration crisis is new? Wrong. 80% of undocumented immigrants have been here over ten years. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley kick off the series exposing how broken the system really is—economic winners and losers, bipartisan legislative failures, birthright citizenship myths, packed detention centers, and why foreign policy keeps fueling the flow. No slogans, just cold facts and sharp takes you won’t hear on cable.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) Immigration Series Intro – the stat that flips the whole debate
  • (00:49) America’s Real Immigration Problem – setting the stage
  • (01:18) Current State of the Border – numbers vs. headlines
  • (01:54) Economic & Demographic Impacts – who actually pays, who profits
  • (05:11) Historical Context – this isn’t the first “crisis”
  • (08:25) Personal Stories – human side hits harder than stats
  • (09:38) Policies & Political Games – both parties’ hands are dirty
  • (19:19) Proposed Fixes – teaser for the series
  • (31:23) US Foreign Policy Critique – why we keep creating refugees
  • (38:48) Immigration Courts & Detention Nightmare – backlog from hell
  • (43:04) Investment Visas – legal path for the rich only
  • (48:09) Birthright Citizenship Debate – constitutional showdown
  • (53:58) Wrap-up & Call to Action – stick around, it gets spicier

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Transcript
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On Solving America’s Problems, Jerremy and Dave just uncovered one stat

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that stops you cold — four out of five undocumented immigrants in the U.S. have

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already lived here more than ten years.

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[thoughtful] These aren’t fresh border crossers sneaking in last night.

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They’re your neighbors, your coworkers, the guy who’s fixed your

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roof since 2012, the mom dropping kids at the same school as yours.

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And right now the system treats them exactly the same as someone

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who hopped the fence yesterday.

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Almost four million cases are stacked in immigration courts, each judge juggling

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OVER four thousand five hundred files, five-year waits just to get a hearing…

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Jerremy and Dave stare straight at that mess — and ask the

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question nobody else will touch…

Jerremy:

Dave Conley, we're gonna go behind the scenes for

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solving America's problems.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

To look a little bit into how we are going to.

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Potentially the most complex subject to date.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

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With so many different thesises and one that we are also not directly

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impacted by, nor have we been a part of, nor have we could have been a part of.

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And that's immigration.

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Mm-hmm.

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We're gonna be discussing it, talking about it, diving into it.

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But these episodes really stem from the recent episode that we had

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catching everyone up on the current state of affairs of the world.

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And one of those big issues was ice.

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And of course the huge LA raids and riots that occurred over the immigration thesis.

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That's happening right now.

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And what we do know is the United States Immigration System is

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experiencing unprecedented strain with over 3.7 million, so almost

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4 million pending court cases.

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And a president who is extremely big on border control.

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That coupled with one of the things I think a lot of people probably

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overlook or maybe overlook, I'm not right the exact term, but immigrants

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definitely add a humongous portion to our gross domestic product.

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8.9, not million, not billion trillion to the top line of the GDP of America, Dave.

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So now we're talking balancing the humanitarian point of it, balancing the

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actual balance sheet part of it, and just discussing the humanistic standpoint.

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That is gonna be immigration.

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This is gonna be a big one for us to cover, and it's gonna be a multifaceted

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multier episode that people are gonna really absolutely fall in love with.

Dave:

I think this one's an easy one to say, look, this is super polarized.

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Can we back up from this and be like, okay, you know, like

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there's a lot of opinions.

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There's a lot of data, there's a lot of, you know, like people

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who are dug in on both sides.

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And it's, I think it's really important when we're looking at the problems.

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One is, hey, nobody's looking at immigration saying,

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Hey, this is working great.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this is also not one of those things where it's solved with

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executive orders and deportations.

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It's solved with like real legislation, real practices, real

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things that we don't talk about.

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And also just understanding it from those three key components.

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Like there's a huge economic piece of this.

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There's also like a demographic piece of this, you know, like we're not making

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enough babies in the United States and we, you know, a society's only going

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to survive if it has enough, you know, young people supporting the old people.

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Unlike like Japan, which has been, cratering or China or

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You know, like these are countries in crisis because they

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don't have enough young people.

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So we, we need to have it.

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And also the talent that comes on board, you know, all of the stem folks that

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come over both, you know, documented, under documented, that's the thing.

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And then balancing the security aspect of it.

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This, which is really important.

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It's like if somebody's coming in, we just wanna know who you are, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And like, you know, so if we can really kind of tease these things apart.

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A, pour some water on the rhetoric and be like, okay, now we understand what the

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problems are and now onto the solutions.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

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So tell people a little bit about, as you started building kind of the

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framework for myself and yourself on not only research, but conversations

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that we're gonna have with some amazing, incredible people in the future.

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How did you start and how did you build the framework around

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this incredibly polarizing topic?

Dave:

Well, I think, I mean, this goes back to a little bit of behind

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the scenes, you know, before we start any of these topics, whether it's

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homelessness or debt or school or safety, any of these things, what we

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start with is a whole lot of research.

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So like, what's going on out there?

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Because I don't know, you're not an expert.

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I'm not an expert.

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You know, there's a few things that we are expert in, but it's none of these topics.

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So, for instance, with immigration we're staring at like a 14 page brief

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that I put together, and it covers as many things as that I could think of.

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It's the key statistics, it's the history of this.

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I mean, I didn't understand the history of immigration.

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Like it goes back to before there was a country and it's been

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poked at, you know, like every 10 or 20 years.

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And, and we keep on poking at it, but it goes, it, you know, like there's a

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huge foundation in the United States.

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Like we, you know, like what was this all about?

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So yep.

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This huge historical context and then sort of like the recent history,

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basically like the last 25 years, what have the president's done?

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Mm-hmm.

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What are, you know, what are the major legislation, if any, you

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know, like what, what has been like, the big, big pieces with that.

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Then overall, what the problem is, and that's like the core of it.

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Like what is the problem that we're actually looking at?

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And then what are the solutions, not just the ones that are proposed, but

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the solutions that have been tried sometimes in the United States, like

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we do have some things that are working right now, which surprised me, but

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also what are other countries doing?

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Like, like there are so many countries that are struggling with immigration and

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there's a lot of experiments out there.

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I think, you know, we think that we have to reinvent the wheel

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over and over and over again, and that's just, that is not the case.

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But we're also looking at a system that nobody is saying,

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Hey, this is, this is working.

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So it's like, okay, what does work and can we build on that?

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Definitely also looking at what the controversies are, what the divides

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are, what are the things where there is like a lot of energy, like border

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walls or the dreamers or asylum seekers, sanctuary cities, all of that.

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So like where, where is there like, like this, where is there energy around things?

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And then also understanding what people don't know about this.

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You know, like what are the, what are sort of like the mysteries

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of this that people don't like?

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You know, one of my favorite ones, uh, was that.

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That most undocumented or, you know, illegal aliens, undocumented, however

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you wanna describe people who are, are overstaying visas or coming into the

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nation without, you know, without a visa or without any kind of information.

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Four outta five of those folks have lived here for over 10 years.

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These people are already here, they're in our communities.

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They're not just recent border crossers.

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They have been here and they're part of our lives.

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So it's like, oh, you know, like, we really want to take a look at this

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systemically as solutions of not like, okay, let's deport them all.

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Also know that you're deporting families and like there's gotta be

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this humanitarian aspect of this.

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It's not just that.

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So that's what we start with.

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That's what you get.

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Sometimes actually our guests get this as well, so that we can

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have more vibrant communications, talks about what's going on.

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That's the behind the scenes and that's what we're doing

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this week is sort of laying out.

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Some of the information that we are interested in, some of the things that we

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are gonna explore, and some of the people that we want to talk with on this, whether

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it's policy, people or, recent immigrants, maybe even undocumented or illegal aliens,

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whoever we can get around this to really explore this and explore their things.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

So on that kind of general topic, Dave, earlier you mentioned the word problem,

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which is what we do in this podcast.

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Do you feel Trump was the first president in recent decades to

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take a very, uh, what's the word?

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Overwhelming stance on immigration, and he also proposed a very tactical solution.

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I'm not calling it a workable solution.

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I'm saying this is a solution to him.

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A k the wall.

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In your recent memory, was this the first person to really

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take that type of a stance?

Dave:

He took, or he takes a very energetic stance, right?

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Like there's a lot of energy behind what he's saying, and it's not positive, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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You know?

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Mm-hmm.

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When he came down the escalator in 2016 he pitched this as, these are the

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problems you're having and these are the people that are causing those problems.

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You know, it's an us versus them.

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And that is very polarizing, right?

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And that puts people very much on edge.

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And that is pretty much the first time in, you know, like our living

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history where that's happened.

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It is not the case in the United States that has actually

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happened many other times.

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Back to the colonial era,

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there was like this real like, oh no, no, no, no, no.

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You know, like we are going to.

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Make sure that it is only these kind of people like, um mm-hmm.

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Mid 19th century, basically we're saying, okay, no Chinese people not allowed.

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Mm-hmm.

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But we would allow like a huge number of Europeans, right?

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We had 14 million people that came in in 40 years, which is actually more than

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what we've seen in the last 10, 15 years.

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Like, it's a huge number.

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It was 15% of the US population.

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And then, uh, in the 20th century, again, long before we were born,

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there was a real bias against Southern Europeans or eastern Europeans.

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Like they were, they were like, oh, no, no, no, we're not gonna have any of this.

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And they actually shut down immigration starting in about 19 20, 19 24,

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which I didn't realize, but like, there wasn't a lot of immigration

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between the twenties and the eighties.

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Like there was this 60 year period.

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Where not much happened.

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We did actually allow a lot of Mexican laborers to come

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in because we needed labor.

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And, but outside of that there was, it was a real small number and it

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really was, it was quite prejudicial, you know, like it was a lot of like,

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oh no, no, we're not doing that.

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Changed in the eighties.

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And, and this is, I have some memory of this, and I wanted to ask you about this.

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Because I, this is how I sort of have, you know, my thinking about immigration.

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It happened where I was, you know, like how I grew up and where I grew up.

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Uh, and I wanted to get your, your vibe on things like what was it like

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you, when you were growing up, like what was your view of immigration?

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Did you have a sense of it, you know, like where, where, where were

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sort of the beginnings of Jerremy newsom's thinking on immigration?

Jerremy:

Sure.

Jerremy:

It really wasn't a issue, topic or really overall thought for me.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Growing up in Georgia, I would say probably the number

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one politically divisive topic was probably more racism than immigration.

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Um, because what was interesting is in Georgia where I grew up, immigration

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was very welcomed isn't the right word, probably swept under the rug because

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they're like, Hey, we have a lot of jobs

Dave:

Yeah.

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That we need, or I shouldn't say we need, they really

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want cheap labor for, right?

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And it was like, oh, well, let's give cheap labor to

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immigrants or illegal aliens.

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And that was very common, very popular in the farms, right?

Jerremy:

Picking watermelons, picking peanuts, doing extremely hard construction work.

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Uh, very, very often was.

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Immigrants, and I didn't know if they were illegal or not, but again,

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most of the farmers or owners of the land or owners of the construction

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companies, they didn't really care.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

So that's how I kind of saw it.

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And so I guess subconsciously, if we had to dive deeper, my thought would've

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been, Hey, immigration, even if it is illegal, is probably perfectly normal.

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As long as we get them jobs and we get them working.

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Like that's probably gonna help the economy.

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And so I think that was probably a subconscious belief that I had and

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probably still have, where it's like, listen, is there a better way to do it?

Jerremy:

Yes.

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But they're gonna have people that, Hey, you want the Big American cool dream?

Jerremy:

Amazing.

Jerremy:

That dream is probably gonna be, initiated somehow by a lot of work.

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And so if you want a lot of work, we're gonna give you access to that.

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So if you come here looking for jobs, looking for opportunity, looking

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for employment, hey, guess what?

Jerremy:

We got tons of it.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And I think that is probably.

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A way to inject excitement into this world.

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And at the same time, you mentioned earlier the solution of, okay,

Jerremy:

cool, so how do we do that?

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

Um, that was really kind of my upbringing.

Jerremy:

What about yours?

Dave:

So I grew up just outside of Washington DC and it was a real

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turning point in immigration actually.

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There was a lot of stuff happening around Vietnam at the time.

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There was a big humanitarian crisis and we had, what was called boat people.

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A lot of churches got together with politicians and be like, oh my God.

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We have all these boat people and 'cause they were primarily

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Christians actually fleeing poverty.

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And there was droughts and all, you know, like huge things that were going on.

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I mean, they'd just gotten outta the Vietnam War and now they were

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having humanitarian crisis and a lot of 'em were Christians.

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And so a lot of the churches in the United States actually like, were

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pounding on the doors of, particularly Republicans and Reagan to be like, oh

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my God, we've gotta rescue these folks.

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And so they did.

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And the State Department scooped up tens of thousands of Vietnamese,

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and they dropped them in three places in the United States.

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One of them was in Los Angeles, the other one was Houston, Texas.

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And, the third one was.

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Right outside where I lived in Falls Church, Virginia.

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And in fact, falls Church still has one of the largest Vietnamese populations in

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the United States, outside of Vietnam.

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To this day, my comfort food is Vietnamese food.

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Every time I'm back in DC I'm like, I'm going for Vietnamese food.

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I love it.

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Right.

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And so my friends, a lot of them were Vietnamese.

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And then just down the road in Annandale, Virginia, there

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was a huge Korean population.

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You know, they had had the war in the fifties, but they'd also, uh, lived in

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sort of like this strange, like communist sort of like disaster in South Korea.

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You know, South Korea being a democracy is actually pretty new.

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I, you know, I don't think a lot of people realize that.

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And so a lot of refugees from Korea came and they were deposited again by the

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State Department in Annandale, Virginia.

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And then outside of that, not a lot of, um, Mexican laborers but a lot of

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people from other nations in Central and South America, a lot of Honduras, a

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lot of Venezuelan, uh, some Brazilian.

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So like, it wasn't a lot of, of, of Mexican.

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Like what, what you would, you know, see in, in Texas or in California.

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The south.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mainly in the south.

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But it wasn't like an agrarian area.

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It was the suburbs.

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Right.

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And here's what was nuts again, this is a history that I don't

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think a lot of people realize.

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All these Vietnamese come into the United States and with a stroke of a

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pen, a fine Republican, Ronald Reagan made tens of thousands of Vietnamese.

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Instant citizens.

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I mean, instant like, just signed and said you're an American.

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That was pretty much my upbringing because, you know,

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DC was incredibly multicultural.

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I was surrounded by, you know, people that weren't like me.

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You know, like a lot of Vietnamese, a lot of Korean, a lot of Asian, and

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DC being very, you know, just like everybody's from everywhere else.

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And that really was my thinking around, like, it wasn't a thing.

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It just like people existed.

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And you know, like looking at how polarizing it is today, I

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didn't grow up with any of that.

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You know, everybody was just there.

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And like, there was plenty of work.

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Like it was an abundance thing, you know, it's like there was plenty of

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work you know, like, particularly the Vietnamese and the Koreans as a population

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they, they really fundamentally changed Northern Virginia, which was like this,

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sleepy little, slightly southern, part

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of Washington DC completely transformed it into like, a lot of stores, a lot of

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entrepreneurship, you know, just, it just, it completely changed the fabric of the

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area and made it really amazing actually.

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I mean, to this day I love going through there.

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It's like, it's a really special part of the United States.

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And so that was, that was sort of my foundation, which was

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like these folks are just here.

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And by the way to this day, you know, some of the most patriotic people I

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know, because a lot of folks that became instant US citizens, because it was

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Washington DC and it was a company town, a lot of them joined the government.

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And so when I joined the government 30 years later, I was surrounded

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by Koreans and Vietnamese.

Dave:

Yeah.

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Uh, who had now been in the government and their parents had

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been in the government for, 40 years.

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And I'm like, okay, this is awesome.

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So, you know, my views were always very positive.

Dave:

Uh, you know, there wasn't, you know, sort of an underclass.

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I'd say it changed, you know, I left DC I think, uh, 10, 15 years ago now.

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And what was really clear was and actually a lot of people in the

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government got in trouble for this, which was hiring people under the table.

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And so, like, can you imagine like, this was the thing that got

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a politician, like, ousted or like a senior executive out, right.

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Because they, they had a, they had a nanny or they had somebody who was

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like mowing their lawn who was like undocumented their pan under the table.

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You know, like that was the thing that would ruin people's careers.

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Now, you know, not so much.

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So like, there really is, underneath now, this world of people who just work under

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the table, which is now one of my issues.

Dave:

And I think we can talk about that maybe next of what are the problems that we see,

Dave:

you know, like now they, this was my, my foundation was like, hey this is awesome.

Dave:

And that's evolved.

Jerremy:

Yep.

Jerremy:

I think the problems I hear about presently in the media.

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And I think a lot of the listeners, you know, we have a very, very

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culturally diverse group of listeners.

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Very large audience I would also say is they probably feel

Jerremy:

or see from media drugs, right?

Jerremy:

Like, sure.

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This is the, that's how most of the drugs come into this country.

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Now, my opinion is that it's not.

Jerremy:

Immigrants that bring in drugs.

Jerremy:

It is drug runners that bring in drugs, right?

Jerremy:

Like, it's not the mom and dad from, Poland that want to come to the US or

Jerremy:

Mexico or Honduras or Chile that want to come to the US and they do it illegally.

Jerremy:

They're not bringing drugs, right?

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

They want to get here and they want all the greatness that America provides.

Jerremy:

Now, I think, can we have different border restrictions and should we really,

Jerremy:

really be careful about who we let in just because it's a nation and there

Jerremy:

should be some level of due process.

Jerremy:

Sure.

Jerremy:

But we gotta remember a little bit of history, right?

Jerremy:

The reason that there are.

Jerremy:

Tens of millions of Mexicans in California is because California used to be Mexico.

Jerremy:

Right?

Jerremy:

Like we, and that like, they're just, they're home really.

Jerremy:

We went over there and was like, yeah, it's ours now,

Jerremy:

you know, in the 18 hundreds.

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And so like, talk to people love, just like, no, they can't come over here.

Jerremy:

I'm like, we took it from them guys.

Jerremy:

So you gotta, but that's the truth, right?

Jerremy:

That there's a lot of those little components that people love to kind

Jerremy:

of just slip around and forget about.

Jerremy:

And I think the ironic part of that, Dave, is California as a state is like the, if

Jerremy:

it was a country, it would be like the 53rd most wealthy country in the world.

Jerremy:

It adds, I think $4 trillion to the gross domestic product of us by itself.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And a lot of people are like, california sucks.

Jerremy:

My thought is it can simply be better.

Jerremy:

It's not that it sucks.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

It's like it can just become better than it is now.

Jerremy:

So the documentation process and the, the awareness process for me, I'm

Jerremy:

almost like, listen guys, I think most politicians really do a great

Jerremy:

job of providing scarcity based mentality to the American public.

Jerremy:

And that scarcity based mentality is we don't have enough land.

Jerremy:

They're taking all of our land.

Jerremy:

They're taking all of our jobs.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

We gotta keep the immigrants out and they're bringing in all these drugs.

Jerremy:

Right.

Jerremy:

Where my version, much more abundant, much larger mindset is I. We have so much land.

Jerremy:

It's crazy.

Jerremy:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

First of all have you seen Utah?

Jerremy:

Like we have so much land.

Jerremy:

I mean we're, Nevada, California, Arizona.

Jerremy:

I'm in Tennessee right now.

Jerremy:

There's, there's acreages everywhere for sale.

Jerremy:

Lots of jobs.

Dave:

Lots

Jerremy:

of land.

Jerremy:

We got lots of land.

Jerremy:

So much land.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

We have so much opportunity for building, for construction,

Jerremy:

for new creations to happen.

Jerremy:

I think it's like, listen, open it up, and come up with a really cool process.

Jerremy:

Say, Hey, listen, we can have as many immigrants as we want.

Jerremy:

Bring them in.

Jerremy:

Yeah, but let's get 'em documented.

Jerremy:

Let's make them citizens and we can sign on the dotted line where

Jerremy:

someone a really beautiful, well-paid, well-trained representative, gives

Jerremy:

them the ability to stamp and say, Hey, you just passed the test.

Jerremy:

Which is, I think reasonable.

Jerremy:

Man, like if you come to the US to live here sure.

Jerremy:

Pass some level of tests, some level of, basic knowledge, basic

Jerremy:

education slash ba, basic language.

Jerremy:

Go through that, oh, now you're a citizen.

Jerremy:

Awesome.

Jerremy:

And now you can pay taxes, right?

Jerremy:

That's really what the country wants or needs.

Jerremy:

And, and I think, man, looking at some of these numbers the economic

Jerremy:

impact, immigration can add 9 trillion to the GDP 2024 to 2034, right?

Jerremy:

Over that decade, 1.2 trillion in federal taxes.

Jerremy:

Yeah, they could cut deficits by 900 billion Immigrants currently

Jerremy:

pay 652 billion in taxes yearly, including almost a hundred billion

Jerremy:

from undocumented immigrants.

Jerremy:

You find a really good flat tax, which again, I'm kind of a huge fan

Jerremy:

of everyone pays this amount done.

Jerremy:

Don't worry about the IRS anymore.

Jerremy:

Oh, you're alive.

Jerremy:

Cool.

Jerremy:

You pay this amount.

Jerremy:

High five.

Jerremy:

If you're making 30,000, 300,000 or 30 million, you pay

Jerremy:

this amount, Hey, high five.

Jerremy:

There's no way to get around it.

Jerremy:

There's no way to, buy depreciation or have write offs.

Jerremy:

It's like, nope you're an American citizen.

Jerremy:

You pay this amount.

Jerremy:

So now that, that collective revenue is incredible among immigrants, and

Jerremy:

again, I just think we just have a, a much better due process because I'm

Jerremy:

really, truthfully, in my personal opinion of the world, not afraid.

Jerremy:

I'm not afraid 'cause that's what built dude, that's what built America.

Jerremy:

Like if you do any level of history, any level, our railroads, Manhattan,

Jerremy:

built by immigrants, right?

Jerremy:

Our entire transportation system out to the Midwest, built by immigrants.

Jerremy:

Like we have so much of this country to think directly to those that

Jerremy:

flooded this nation from traveling because of what we can be and how big.

Jerremy:

And how expansive it was.

Jerremy:

I mean, shoot, dude, we came here as immigrants.

Dave:

Yeah,

Jerremy:

We came over here, you know, good old stories of Mayflower,

Jerremy:

christopher Columbus we came here and, and forged our own way.

Jerremy:

So I think there's a, I think there's a better way to approach this.

Jerremy:

I think there's some type of really interesting solution, and I'm not

Jerremy:

the whole, oh man, America, the immigrants are bringing in drugs.

Jerremy:

It's like, no dude, immigrants aren't bringing in drugs.

Jerremy:

Drug people are bringing drugs.

Jerremy:

They're coming here and leaving here and it's not the immigrants that are bringing,

Dave:

well, I want to tease that apart a little bit because it

Dave:

goes to some of my feelings on undocumented or illegal aliens.

Dave:

I guess one of the things I have a problem with is this system of.

Dave:

The drug cartels getting people into the United States.

Dave:

They make billions of dollars getting people into the US and then these

Dave:

folks become indentured servants.

Dave:

They have to send money to the cartel every single month, or bad

Dave:

things happen to their families.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

I mean, this is human trafficking.

Dave:

You can't go very long here in south Florida about, another

Dave:

prostitution ring, broken up.

Dave:

And you know, the human suffering that is around the undocumented

Dave:

aspect of this is insanity.

Dave:

And I think it causes a lot of.

Dave:

I, I mean, I, I, I think that that is a moral, a moral imperative

Dave:

to be like, okay, look, you can't come in the United States.

Dave:

You are going to be deported.

Dave:

This is a line in the sand.

Dave:

Because what this does is creates this underclass of people

Dave:

That are, subject to the most violent, extreme, awful human beings on the planet.

Dave:

And then they're essentially put into slave labor here in the United States.

Dave:

That's the other side of this, which is I don't get how American companies

Dave:

and that includes, farm corporations, that includes construction companies.

Dave:

Like, like I don't, I look, I don't get it right.

Dave:

I mean, if you are working a fair job in the United States, you

Dave:

should be getting a fair wage and.

Dave:

Yeah, we shouldn't be paying people less money because they're undocumented

Dave:

or saying, Hey, we're going to, turn you over to ice if you demand,

Dave:

basic benefits or a living wage,

Dave:

these are people who are providing tremendous value to the United

Dave:

States and to you and I, but it's artificially keeping wages low when

Dave:

they should be making great money and I got a big issue with that.

Dave:

Human trafficking, prostitution, underclass, not getting,

Jerremy:

think the underclass that we should figure out is just

Jerremy:

the criminals, dude, that's it.

Jerremy:

There's gotta be a really, really great way to bifurcate

Jerremy:

and distinguish who's here.

Jerremy:

'cause they want to be here and they're really doing their best to add to the

Jerremy:

world and add to America as a positive.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Or those who are here to be negligent.

Jerremy:

There is definitely a way to distinguish that and to just deep, oh, you're here and

Jerremy:

you didn't get your stamp of approval yet.

Jerremy:

You haven't gotten your green card.

Jerremy:

We, it's gonna deport you.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And it doesn't matter who you are.

Jerremy:

I, you know, I kind of really liked the, um, and I forget the exact name

Jerremy:

and I apologize if I mess it up, but like, I think it was under Obama

Jerremy:

when if you're Cuban and you made it to the beach, touch the sand.

Jerremy:

You're, you got it right.

Jerremy:

Hey, good job.

Jerremy:

You survived.

Jerremy:

You made it right in Florida.

Dave:

Was and

Jerremy:

cu was that way.

Dave:

No.

Dave:

George W.

Jerremy:

Bush did that one.

Jerremy:

Yep.

Jerremy:

You know, and I kind of think in that perspective where it's like,

Jerremy:

Hey, the prize is to live here.

Jerremy:

If you get here, and we can easily, like we build centers, just like you

Jerremy:

have military recruitment centers, you have immigration centers all across the

Jerremy:

country, because I've never seen one.

Jerremy:

This might be pure ignorance and I'm just a moron, but driving around

Jerremy:

than any other city I've never seen, oh, here's an immigration center.

Jerremy:

They're, they're not just places where like, Hey, you wanna come to America?

Jerremy:

Cool.

Jerremy:

You got here.

Jerremy:

However you got here, I don't know how you got here, but come

Jerremy:

here, fill out these forms, take a test, get a green card, well done.

Jerremy:

Go pay your taxes.

Jerremy:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

And those are people that are not going, 99% of them are not going to be criminals.

Jerremy:

That's like saying, oh, we should deport all of them because they're illegal.

Jerremy:

It's like the amount of people that are in the US that are illegal, documented,

Jerremy:

born here, bred here, people that terrorize people and commit murders

Jerremy:

is probably just as high as whatever.

Jerremy:

Someone from a different country did it.

Jerremy:

So you can't just stipulate anyone who's illegal alien is automatically a murderer.

Jerremy:

I think that's, I think that's an insane propagandist piece

Jerremy:

that was thrown out there.

Dave:

I hear you.

Dave:

And I also, what are the causes of all this immigration?

Dave:

Because we're talking about, you know, like there's about a

Dave:

million people, and it's been about the same for about 50 years.

Dave:

About a million people come into the United States, quote unquote,

Dave:

legally, they have green cards.

Dave:

They, you know, either lottery or they're sponsored by a business

Dave:

and, you know, they have a marriage.

Dave:

And then, you know, like that's what I'm exploring right now.

Dave:

And because the laws are so byzantine and haven't been really been touched

Dave:

in like 30 years, you know, I need a lawyer in order to help figure this out.

Dave:

You know, it's not simple, but when I think about it.

Dave:

There's a reason, there's a push and a pull.

Dave:

There's, you know, like there's issues going on in a person's home country.

Dave:

There may not be economic opportunity.

Dave:

It may be violent, it may be, unstable.

Dave:

And, you know, like here in South Florida, you know, huge number of folks from

Dave:

Haiti, from Cuba, and from Venezuela.

Dave:

I mean, it's massive, right?

Dave:

Those countries are in pretty bad shape directly because of the stuff

Dave:

that the United States has done, like, you know, the French and the

Dave:

United States have been, shaking.

Dave:

Haiti for the better part of 120 years.

Dave:

Venezuela has had, so many issues.

Dave:

I think we've toppled that government one or two times.

Dave:

Uh, who knows?

Dave:

Like, we have had it, you know, under some sort of, uh, economic restrictions

Dave:

for as long as I can remember.

Dave:

And, uh, you know, Cuba is Cuba.

Dave:

Like we, I've been to Cuba and like we've had our foot on

Dave:

the neck of that country for.

Dave:

Since the 1950s, since way before, you and I were born.

Dave:

And so like, there's a reason why people are leaving their countries.

Dave:

And in some stance I'm thinking like I wouldn't wanna leave my country, you

Dave:

know, like, it's my country, right?

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

And like, if those countries were amazing.

Dave:

Nobody would be wanting to even come here.

Dave:

I mean, isn't there something to be said that the policies of the United

Dave:

States should be like, okay, not only is it like make America great again, it's

Dave:

also make Venezuela great again and, you know, stop like throwing it down a

Dave:

flight of stairs or make Cuba great again.

Dave:

You know, like, these countries just because we don't like the governments,

Dave:

it's like we deal with countries that have terrible governments all over the planet.

Dave:

Like Saudi Arabia is not like a bastion of human rights, you know?

Dave:

Like it is not a good place.

Dave:

Right.

Dave:

And yet, you know, like we're all sunny about Saudi Arabia and it's like, it is

Dave:

not, I'll probably get some hate mail for this, but Saudi Arabia is, is very

Dave:

low on the human rights world, right?

Dave:

Correct.

Dave:

Oh yeah.

Dave:

But like, we're all thumbs up.

Dave:

Right?

Dave:

We could be doing the same with those countries in our own hemisphere.

Dave:

And like, I don't get that, you know, like, maybe this isn't an

Dave:

immigration thing, it's a, stop screwing with other countries thing.

Jerremy:

What do you think?

Jerremy:

Yeah, very well could be like, you know, beefing up the essentially

Jerremy:

ambassadors or the Secretary of State or other aspects of where we can, I don't

Jerremy:

know, teach other governments, right.

Jerremy:

Help give them guidance, help teach them how to think, play, construct,

Jerremy:

build, liberalize, theorize, create, make opportunities, uh, rather than

Jerremy:

continually punishing citizens.

Jerremy:

'cause yeah, everyone's coming here, right?

Jerremy:

Honduras doesn't really have a huge immigration problem and it

Jerremy:

has a bunch of countries around it.

Jerremy:

Brazil isn't facing a huge immigration problem.

Jerremy:

It's got a bunch of countries bordering it.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

We only have really two.

Jerremy:

Mexico and Canada, and, Canadians don't flood down here either.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

So we also have to kind of think about like, all right, well

Jerremy:

the countries that are coming here, is there a way to your point, right?

Jerremy:

Is there a way that we can work with them weekly, monthly, quarterly, to say,

Jerremy:

Hey, listen, your country kind of sucks.

Jerremy:

Like, is there a way that you guys can figure it out where

Jerremy:

everyone doesn't leave in droves?

Dave:

Let's stop invading with, uh, with government, contractors with guns

Dave:

and start invading with Coca-Cola.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

And let, mm-hmm.

Dave:

Let's, let's, you know, let's let's get great American

Dave:

businesses in these countries.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

Um,

Dave:

Creating jobs and, making sure that folks do have a good standard of

Dave:

living and that, you know, like we, we, we have, we have overturned most

Dave:

of the governments in Central and South America over the last hundred

Dave:

years, and it hasn't worked out well,

Dave:

I'm of a proponent of invading economically.

Dave:

That's what I think we should do.

Jerremy:

It's fascinating.

Jerremy:

I think ultimately one of the really, really cool solutions that I'm

Jerremy:

very fascinated to dig into is just gonna be the border thing, right?

Jerremy:

Like, that's, that's the one that trump's like, Hey, I don't think

Jerremy:

a lot of people are gonna do it.

Jerremy:

They haven't really brought it up.

Jerremy:

I mean, Obama was big on immigration.

Jerremy:

Some people, people love painting Obama as this, like super peaceful.

Dave:

Oh no.

Jerremy:

Crazy loving.

Jerremy:

He did everything correct, kinda.

Jerremy:

He,

Dave:

he was actually called the deporter in chief.

Dave:

He, that I know, dude, a lot of people.

Dave:

He deported,

Jerremy:

he kicked out all kinds of people.

Dave:

He deported more people than any other president in modern history.

Dave:

Like period.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

I mean, like, it was crazy.

Dave:

It was like 5 million people.

Dave:

Actually.

Dave:

George w he, he did 10.3 million and Obama did 5.3 million.

Dave:

You'd think Trump in his first administration was this huge.

Dave:

Now he did 1.9 million.

Dave:

Uh, so it was actually the lowest one.

Dave:

You know, Biden got a lot of grief and he should have, you know, it

Dave:

felt like the borders were wide open.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

Uh, and that goes to some of the economic cost.

Dave:

You know, in the research it came up that on average.

Dave:

You know, immigrants do, you know, provide a lot more to the United States

Dave:

than they take in services, right?

Dave:

However, you know, that is different in Florida, in Texas, and in California.

Dave:

California right now has a huge budget deficit.

Dave:

It may be like the ninth largest economy on the planet, but they, they're

Dave:

running a massive deficit right now that they're trying to balance out and

Dave:

they have really high, uh, high taxes.

Dave:

So they're trying to figure it out.

Dave:

That's a, you know, that's a state that provides all sorts of services.

Dave:

And so like they're struggling with that.

Dave:

They're trying to figure it out.

Dave:

Here in Florida?

Dave:

Same.

Dave:

Same.

Dave:

You know, like there's, there's a lot of money that goes into

Dave:

the infrastructure, whether it's, schools or healthcare or housing.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

You know, like there's, there's a lot which is very different than say New York.

Dave:

And that's, you know, that was some of the shenanigans that we saw, you know,

Dave:

last administration where, you know, uh, governor Abbott would like bust people

Dave:

into San Francisco or they'd bus them into LA or bus 'em into to New York.

Dave:

And there was a change in attitude, and particularly in New York City

Dave:

where it was like, oh my God.

Dave:

And so like, there was a bit of a out of sight, out of mind for folks.

Dave:

It's like, it's easy to say immigrants are awesome when.

Dave:

It's not in your face, and it isn't like a serious sort of issue that is

Dave:

expensive and time consuming and changing, sort of like the fabric of things.

Dave:

So I, I think it, you know, if we're, we're thinking about immigration,

Dave:

we think about it as a nation as a whole, not as like, it's just really

Dave:

a problem for the border states.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Yeah, I agree.

Jerremy:

But I think the border states, I mean.

Jerremy:

Dude, Arizona, New Mexico.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

It's called New Mexico.

Jerremy:

Hello.

Dave:

Gulf of America.

Jerremy:

What happened to

Dave:

that is, is the whole Greenland, uh, Gulf of America are we done with that now?

Jerremy:

No, Gulf America has happened.

Jerremy:

That is an executive order.

Jerremy:

It's on Google Maps.

Jerremy:

They're putting it in the schools, they're updating into books.

Jerremy:

It's kind of hilarious.

Jerremy:

And where did that

Dave:

come from?

Dave:

I'd be like, I,

Jerremy:

In, in the random, uh, rabbit hole of Gulf of America.

Jerremy:

I believe it was because of an energy rite.

Jerremy:

That has been signed for the last 30 years that prohibited Trump or

Jerremy:

any American president from doing something in the Gulf of Mexico.

Jerremy:

So he said, oh, well, I'll just change it to Gulf of America now.

Jerremy:

The law no longer supersedes what I want to do.

Dave:

IIII love that we're kind of run by a toddler.

Dave:

It's like the greatest thing ever, you know?

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

It's like, we'll just change the name.

Dave:

I'm like,

Jerremy:

okay.

Jerremy:

He's a billionaire, toddler who knows how to break all laws and get away with it.

Dave:

There is a subtle brilliance to it.

Jerremy:

He is like, let me break the law and I can't be in trouble because it

Jerremy:

doesn't apply to me a subtle brilliance.

Jerremy:

So that, that's real.

Jerremy:

The Gulf of America is now an actual thing.

Jerremy:

It's on, if you pull up a Google map, Dave, on your phone.

Jerremy:

Oh, come.

Jerremy:

It'll say Gulf.

Jerremy:

I swear.

Jerremy:

Pull it up real quick.

Jerremy:

After, after pulling up

Dave:

Panama, we were gonna invade Panama too.

Dave:

We stopped talking about that one.

Jerremy:

Yeah, we stopped talking about that Greenland that kind of went away.

Jerremy:

'Cause people told Trump, Hey bro, there's nothing there.

Jerremy:

Just go away there, there's nothing in Greenland.

Jerremy:

It's not a real place.

Jerremy:

Like there's like five pounds of oil.

Jerremy:

Leave it alone.

Dave:

Okay.

Dave:

Yeah, man.

Dave:

Check out

Jerremy:

some

Dave:

of these issues.

Dave:

Alright we spend, and it's gonna be a lot more with the budget bill coming in.

Dave:

Uh, but we spend, three and a half, a billion.

Dave:

That's a billion with a B on, uh, detention and deportation.

Dave:

So that, that's crazy.

Dave:

And we spend a billion dollars on courts doing adjudication.

Dave:

But here's the thing.

Dave:

There's 3 million people that are looking for like their day in court,

Dave:

and they deserve a day in court.

Dave:

And actually like the, the immigration courts, it's, it's not like a, you

Dave:

know, it's not like what we would think of, like when we were talking

Dave:

about like the incarceration and all the stuff that we were talking about.

Dave:

Like those were, those were courts, like how we would be thinking about them.

Dave:

These are immigration courts.

Dave:

They're like they're administrative, right?

Dave:

But here's the kicker.

Dave:

There's only enough judges.

Dave:

Uh, if you take all of the judges, each one of them has 4,500 cases,

Dave:

and so there's like a five year waiting list for, you know, that's

Dave:

the quickest you would ever see.

Dave:

So you're in this like perpetual limbo of like, am I here or am I not?

Dave:

You know, will I ever get seen?

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

Will, I won't.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

And so like, these things can go for years and years and years.

Dave:

It's like, so what's the big deal?

Dave:

Like, why don't we be hiring?

Dave:

Like, how are we not hiring like a bunch of administrative judges on this?

Dave:

Right?

Dave:

Like, easy to like, you know, is this a real asylum case or not?

Dave:

You know, like some people said, I'm, you know, in asylum, but I'm not.

Dave:

And then some people are like, yeah, it's serious asylum.

Dave:

It's like, okay, then we're gonna take you.

Dave:

You know, like we need the judges.

Dave:

Like, why do we spend all this money?

Dave:

Like so down here in Florida.

Dave:

I don't know if you saw any of the news on this.

Dave:

They have put up what's being called alligator Alcatraz, and

Dave:

it's just outside of Miami here.

Dave:

And it's on an old, not an old base.

Dave:

It's on an old, airport.

Dave:

You know, like they were gonna be building like this huge airport down

Dave:

here, and they decided like 40 years ago that they couldn't build it because

Dave:

of environmental concerns, right.

Dave:

But they were gonna build the largest airport in the

Dave:

United States here in Miami.

Dave:

And so, but they left all the runways.

Dave:

And so, ICE has come in and DHS has come in and they've put up temporary

Dave:

trailers to house like a thousand people.

Dave:

And so like, there's all sorts of protests with that.

Dave:

And I'm like, I don't know.

Dave:

I saw the trailers.

Dave:

They look pretty nice, but that's all detention.

Dave:

Those aren't like courtrooms.

Dave:

And I feel like we spent, you know, a little bit less money on detention

Dave:

and deportation and a little bit more on getting people through the system,

Dave:

because once they have the adjudication, then it'd be like, okay, you know,

Dave:

do you stay or do you go yes or no?

Dave:

Right.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

Like yes or no.

Dave:

It's a yes or no.

Dave:

But just starting with deportation and spending all that money on deportation,

Dave:

I don't know if it's that effective.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And we could spend, but we also have to spend that much money too.

Jerremy:

'cause like, you could go after all the people, you know, all the kids

Jerremy:

who are going to college to be, to get, they haven't passed the bar yet.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And all they need is administrative.

Jerremy:

Yes or no.

Jerremy:

Like, that could be one of their first, Hey, spend some time on this case.

Jerremy:

You're a college kid in Virginia and you get 25 cases go through

Jerremy:

'em, and the judge or the counselor or whoever that has passed the

Jerremy:

bar just gets to sign off on it.

Jerremy:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

You know, with an auto pin or whatever.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

There's from your perspective, and I would agree with it, I think

Jerremy:

that is a process or like, rather than spending all the money on keeping

Jerremy:

him here let's spend the money on figuring out should they be here.

Jerremy:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

Because there's gonna be definitely a large portion that will slash should.

Jerremy:

So we can say, yep, you belong here.

Jerremy:

You deserve to be here.

Jerremy:

Thanks for being here.

Jerremy:

Welcome to America.

Jerremy:

And then there's gonna be probably 25% or less that probably shouldn't be here.

Jerremy:

And great, we can deport them, but we don't have to

Jerremy:

spend money on detaining them

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Versus going through that court system.

Jerremy:

And that's a lot of people, man.

Jerremy:

That's a long, long, long, long, long history.

Jerremy:

Um, if a judge saw one case a day right, it would take 'em 10, 15 years

Jerremy:

just to go through the current cases.

Jerremy:

Which to your point, yeah.

Jerremy:

I think that's a relatively big glaring oversight.

Jerremy:

It's like, just speed up that process and just make you a little

Jerremy:

bit more formalized as well.

Jerremy:

So me, man this is gonna be fantastic.

Jerremy:

Fantastic to talk through.

Jerremy:

Because then you also have the, uh, the.

Jerremy:

The one that my wife, and I'm sure we'll all hear from her later

Jerremy:

'cause she definitely wants to hop in on this immigration topic.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Uh, because that's how she got here, right?

Jerremy:

She was an immigrant and so she's really, really stoked to have that conversation.

Jerremy:

But one of the things that she's most frustrated by is, hey, if you

Jerremy:

have a bunch of money, it's a lot easier to become American citizen.

Jerremy:

It sure is.

Jerremy:

Uh, we are, that's a lot easier.

Dave:

We are, uh, we're exploring that, you know, in my situation, my, my boo

Dave:

too, like if you make an investment in the United States, you okay?

Dave:

You want to hear how it's done.

Dave:

You want to hear how it's actually done and it might make you crazy.

Dave:

Living here in Miami, you see all these big buildings, you might be

Dave:

able to actually see 'em behind me.

Dave:

Well, you've been down here, right?

Dave:

Like these giant buildings.

Dave:

And so this is how the Four Seasons was built down here.

Dave:

The Four Seasons needed a hundred million dollars.

Dave:

And so they partnered with, a company that would provide the financing.

Dave:

And the financing comes from well off international people.

Dave:

And so they got a hundred people to put up a million dollars.

Dave:

The company who built the building would employ a bunch of people.

Dave:

And that's what the requirement is.

Dave:

You have to invest in the United States, employ a bunch of people for a certain

Dave:

amount of time in an economic zone.

Dave:

And with that, that's how you get your permanent residency.

Dave:

The person who's making the building gets a really, really cheap loan, and

Dave:

the people who want a permanent green card get permanent residency easy.

Dave:

And so at the end of this process, what you get is you get a place to live too.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

So not only do you get to build the building you get return on your

Dave:

investment and you get a place to live.

Dave:

And that is only available to people who have a lot of money that can be without

Dave:

like a million or $2 million for a few years while building's getting built.

Dave:

And I think that that is bonkers.

Dave:

So now you have permanent residency because you built

Dave:

a building in South Florida.

Jerremy:

Yes.

Jerremy:

Well, um, I can see the pros and the cons to this deeply because the truth

Jerremy:

is money makes everything easier.

Jerremy:

Sure.

Jerremy:

It makes everything faster, right?

Jerremy:

It's one of the coolest lubricants in the world.

Jerremy:

Money, time, and energy, like those are the only three things you can spend.

Jerremy:

And you definitely would rather spend money than time and energy if you can.

Jerremy:

The bridge,

Dave:

what we also get around here is a bunch of empty buildings.

Dave:

And that happens in New York City too.

Dave:

Uh, I mean, so many of the buildings, and I saw it in San Francisco so many

Dave:

of the buildings are essentially empty.

Dave:

Uh, and I know people who live in London, same, same.

Dave:

So it's people who have built those buildings have residencies.

Dave:

Oh, perfect.

Dave:

We can give those to the homeless

Jerremy:

people.

Dave:

Well, that's the thing is that, like these buildings are

Dave:

empty, but somebody owns them, right?

Dave:

And so mm-hmm.

Dave:

Like in Florida, they might show up for a few weeks out of

Dave:

the year, but that's it, right?

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

But they have permanent residency.

Dave:

And so that is driving up the cost of housing here in South Florida, which

Dave:

totally is, is, yeah, money is important and money's great and money's building

Dave:

these buildings, but like, what's at the end of this rainbow is not great.

Jerremy:

Well, again, what's back to my, one of my original solutions of the

Jerremy:

whole, add, if you are a real estate developer or builder, there's a certain

Jerremy:

percentage of what you have to build that goes directly towards a real estate

Jerremy:

initiative, created homeless drive that focuses on putting people into a building.

Jerremy:

It's like, Hey, you're gonna build an entire apartment complex in Miami.

Jerremy:

Amazing.

Jerremy:

You also have to donate $15,000 of that.

Jerremy:

Of your profits, your procedure, your carrying costs, or the

Jerremy:

equity that you took out after you built it, that's tax free.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

You have to take a portion of that and give it to this real

Jerremy:

estate initiative that builds homes for homelessness and put 'em in there.

Jerremy:

But yeah, man, it is really, really interesting.

Jerremy:

And again, should that be allowed?

Jerremy:

I think the answer is yes.

Jerremy:

It's a really hard to go, Nope.

Jerremy:

Don't do capitalism in capitalist society.

Jerremy:

Um, if you got a bunch of money.

Jerremy:

Sure.

Jerremy:

Because if you do want to take away this deficit, you go, listen, a million

Jerremy:

dollars buys you a green card and you sell a million of those things.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

A million times a million.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Yeah, that's gonna start chipping away a little bit at this

Jerremy:

deficit like that if they're spending it correctly, and sourcing it correctly

Jerremy:

and facilitating it correctly.

Jerremy:

And so these are, you know, again, to me, really fascinating discussions.

Jerremy:

And man, I just cannot wait to keep picking each one of these apart.

Jerremy:

Mm-hmm.

Jerremy:

I think that's what's gonna be most fun is really picking a certain portion of

Jerremy:

this immigration issue apart and providing it to our panelists and saying, okay,

Jerremy:

hey, border patrol, let's solve it.

Jerremy:

Hey, immigration status, let's solve it.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Um, let's figure out some really cool constraints and things that

Jerremy:

are working and things that are not working, and things that you could do

Jerremy:

and things that you would do better.

Jerremy:

And it's just gonna be a really, really a fascinating topic.

Jerremy:

On that note, for all of our listeners, if you have ideas, thoughts, opinions,

Jerremy:

perspectives, or solutions that you're like, man, I would really love

Jerremy:

to just give some of my insight, my thought, my deliberation on this topic.

Jerremy:

Hit us up and let us know how we can, uh, bring you on or at least propose

Jerremy:

your ideal a little bit more seriously.

Dave:

Love it.

Dave:

Alright here's a hot button one, and then, we'll, I think we'll wrap it up there.

Dave:

Uh, birthright citizenship.

Dave:

14th Amendment says straight up, you're born here, you're a citizen.

Dave:

And this is getting challenged in the courts.

Dave:

Now, I did a deep dive on this, uh, because I was like, oh, of course,

Dave:

the 14th Amendment says, it turns out that there is, there are some

Dave:

bits and pieces that have never been litigated, never been through the courts.

Dave:

There is some ambiguity in there that is just never been defined, right?

Dave:

Like, I think, you know, I think on the, on the service of it, most people will

Dave:

be like, oh, yeah, that's pretty clear.

Dave:

You know, like if you're born here, you're a citizen, but there's a clause

Dave:

in there that says you're a citizen.

Dave:

If you are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and, uh, this, the

Dave:

14th Amendment was specifically built for slaves, saying, okay, you know,

Dave:

like if you're born in the United States and you're a slave, like nobody can

Dave:

deny you, you are an American citizen.

Dave:

And it was never meant for anybody who was from outside of the United States.

Dave:

It, you know, specifically it carves out legislatively.

Dave:

You know, like if you're, if you have a kid here and you're an ambassador no, no.

Dave:

You, you're not a, you're not a citizen because you're not subject to the

Dave:

jurisdiction of the United States.

Dave:

Where this gets kind of squirrely is, if you don't have a, you know, if you

Dave:

don't have a legal right to be here, like if your parents are, quote, uh,

Dave:

undocumented, are you actually subject to the laws of the United States or not?

Dave:

And it's a maybe not, because you know, like there's certain rights that you

Dave:

don't have because you are undocumented.

Dave:

Like you couldn't get drafted or, you know, like you actually, couldn't, be

Dave:

penalized for not paying federal taxes.

Dave:

You know, like there's certain rights and privileges that you do not have because

Dave:

you, you know, you are not a citizen and you don't have the right to be here.

Dave:

So are you fully, part of the jurisdiction of the United States?

Dave:

And it has been tried, you know, like there was what was called

Dave:

the Arc case over a hundred years ago, which had to do with.

Dave:

The Chinese, and it was legal authorized or like permanent residence that happened

Dave:

to be Chinese born, that had a child.

Dave:

And the child, went back to China and then came back and then was deported.

Dave:

And the Supreme Court said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is an American citizen.

Dave:

And so like, that has been the foundation.

Dave:

Mm-hmm.

Dave:

But they were permanent residents and so like, it actually has never, ever

Dave:

been adjudicated to be like, oh, it is your birthright if you are here.

Dave:

But it, nobody's ever said, well, okay, certain classes of

Dave:

people, they are not citizens.

Dave:

Are undocumented people, citizens or not.

Dave:

And so by birth.

Dave:

And so that, that is, that is an interesting thing.

Dave:

I think it, do you what's your, what's your thoughts and feelings on this?

Jerremy:

Agreed.

Jerremy:

Very fascinating.

Jerremy:

Number one.

Jerremy:

Number two, I'm glad it's getting some attention because again, that's

Jerremy:

probably one a lot of people are like, dude, most people don't even

Jerremy:

know how many amendments we have.

Jerremy:

Right?

Jerremy:

So to be clear, it's like, yes, that one definitely should, especially with

Jerremy:

all this essentially turmoil, right?

Jerremy:

Being arose arisen about immigration.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

I think that's one where we probably need a

Jerremy:

little bit more light on her.

Jerremy:

We need a little bit more freshness because again, if you do have two

Jerremy:

illegal immigrants that come across the line that she's eight and a half months

Jerremy:

pregnant and they boom, have a baby.

Dave:

One of the most critical things actually.

Dave:

The original case was the Supreme Court in the Wong case, and I think

Dave:

this was like in the 1880s, right?

Dave:

Like as, so it's, it's been a hot minute.

Dave:

The Supreme Court at the time, on their case, they said it's

Dave:

British common law, right?

Dave:

Like so it's mm-hmm.

Dave:

It's, it's found.

Dave:

So like that's what we'll go back to.

Dave:

It's British common law.

Dave:

And it was like, okay it, and it's like, it's some Latin term for like by blood.

Dave:

And so, by the simple fact that you are in the country and you are

Dave:

born there, then by blood you, you are a citizen of Great Britain.

Dave:

Here's the thing though.

Dave:

That was changed.

Dave:

You do not get instant citizenship if you are just born in the uk.

Dave:

It is.

Dave:

It fundamentally changed.

Dave:

In fact, the United States is among few countries, like almost

Dave:

no countries in the world.

Dave:

Do you get.

Dave:

Automatic citizenship.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

You know, the United Kingdom doesn't do it like nobody envisioned like modern

Dave:

immigration practices and patterns.

Dave:

Like, there are people who do birth tourism where they will come to

Dave:

the United States and hang out for a couple of months, give birth to

Dave:

their child, and then you go back to wherever they're from, just so that

Dave:

their child can have a US passport.

Dave:

So like the whole foundation of this was British common law that was the

Dave:

original, but that's all changed.

Dave:

I'm like, oh, okay.

Dave:

That's curious.

Dave:

So I, fundamentally, I think like if you're born in the United States,

Dave:

you're definitely a US citizen.

Dave:

I think that makes sense to me.

Dave:

But I totally get where people are coming from on this one.

Jerremy:

Oh, me too, man.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

I think, like I said, to your point, it's good to be, it's good to get addressed.

Jerremy:

It's good to look over and just, Hey, can we make any tweaks, any adjustments there?

Jerremy:

Is there any rules, regulations, just a little bit more redefine it or definement?

Jerremy:

Um, same thing.

Jerremy:

I think probably what'll stem from that might be the marriage thing too, right?

Jerremy:

Where it's just like, Hey, we just need to make sure that you

Jerremy:

have this to your point, right?

Jerremy:

You gotta go through a lawyer.

Jerremy:

Ugh.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Could you slash should you need to do that, right?

Jerremy:

If you got born here, like, let's just make sure you go through

Jerremy:

this lawyer process anyway.

Jerremy:

I think having it go through the court system and be an issue for debate

Jerremy:

and issue for conversation, I think is very, very valid and valuable.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Totally.

Jerremy:

Yep.

Jerremy:

Yeah, man, it's gonna be a great topic, Dave.

Jerremy:

I can't wait to get some incredible guests and just have some beautiful

Jerremy:

discussions and learn more and share more and grow more and have more thoughts

Jerremy:

and insights poured into our brain as we continue to build this really,

Jerremy:

really incredible, uh, presidential run.

Dave:

It's gotta be great.

Jerremy:

Yep.

Dave:

Wrap us up.

Dave:

We're, uh, that's it.

Dave:

And

Jerremy:

exactly.

Jerremy:

End scene.

Jerremy:

End scene.

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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