Medicaid Cuts and Food Insecurity: Handouts vs. Hand-Ups in a Debt-Ridden America

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“When policy lands at the kitchen table, it stops being abstract.

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From healthcare shifts to keeping families

fed and rethinking education, we dig

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into ideas that balance compassion with

responsibility—plus, why a stalled agenda

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might be the biggest problem of all.”

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Jerremy Newsome: Here's

an interesting one though.

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Like the big beautiful bill, and I'll try

to do that in air quotes as much as I can,

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Dave Conley: sure.

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Jerremy Newsome: Would cut Medicaid

and snap to trim federal outlays,

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: of that warn

state budget strain and poverty

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spikes with a cooling labor market.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: Again, I don't think

that's addressing overall problem

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The challenge there because I do

actually, think that there's some

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really good opportunity here to

create something more impactful.

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More like a hand up than a handout.

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But just cutting it that quickly and

then having no alternative saying hey,

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okay, and it is gone, but now do this

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And I think there's a

lot of opportunity now.

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For what term do you use policy,

wonk nerds to to start stepping up

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and say, okay, this is actually,

now that we're doing this is what

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we can do to make this better.

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Because I, I do agree that with a lot

of people that the program right now

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probably doesn't work as well as we would

want it to, and it's not as efficient or

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as effective as we would want it to be.

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Dave Conley: yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: that a lot of that's

getting cut in certain areas and with

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impacting certain individuals, I think

this does provide room to at least make

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some positive changes in that area.

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Dave Conley: You know, I'm of like

three minds on this one, right?

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One of them is Snap.

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That's the supplemental nutrition stuff.

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That's mainly like children.

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And them, getting, food insecurity.

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We know that more children

are going hungrier.

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And that's a hard line for

me in the United States.

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It's like we are wealthy

nation with way too much food.

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No child should ever go

hungry in the United States.

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That's like period, end of story.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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Correct.

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Dave Conley: Other side of this,

listening to RFKJ, it's okay, and we're

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not going to be paying for garbage food.

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And I'm like, okay, I'm down with that.

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Right?

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We don't need money going to soda.

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It's not, we're not saying

you don't, you can't buy it.

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We're just saying that the United States

government is gonna buy it for you.

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Jerremy Newsome: Uhhuh.

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Dave Conley: So like you are welcome

to do what you'd like, like it's

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going to go to better quality food.

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So in a sense, like our outliers are.

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Our outlay of money may be lower

because it's been cut, but our

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outlay to garbage is going down.

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So money can be better spent

towards things that are

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both, better for you overall.

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So I don't, I don't know, man.

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On the Medicare Medicaid side, those cuts,

we did, you know, long series on this.

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Some of this is like money that's going

into the pocket of administration and

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not going to, people actually need this.

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And I'm like, I, part of me

is saying you gotta break this

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system in order to do something.

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Part of the chaos of the

administration that I think will.

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Develop because like a lot of Trump

supporters are, of this class that,

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that, relies on a lot of these government

programs that are getting slashed, right?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Dave Conley: So what are they

going to be saying on this and

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how are they going to be affected?

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And part of this is break it and

the legislative body, Congress and

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the judiciary are going to have to

step up and actually do their job.

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Because so much power has been invested

in the executive over the last 25 years.

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It's you know what?

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This chaos is fine by me because out

of the ashes will rise something that's

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better because it'll force the Congress

to actually do something positive.

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Now I, maybe that's just rose

colored glasses on my point.

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A lot of people are going to be

hurting from this, but we also know

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that the system doesn't work well now.

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Um, so, are we just continuing

to feed an extremely expensive

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beast without any reform?

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Man, I, that's why I

move three minds of this.

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It's break it, do something better, but

it's gonna cause issues be more efficient.

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I'm down with that.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep,

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Dave Conley: Pay for high quality

things, not low quality things,

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Jerremy Newsome: Correct.

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Dave Conley: do better on the,

lowering administrative costs.

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And I I don't know what the effect

is, is gonna be, I am worried

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about like, the doom and gloomers

because, that has its own power.

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I've heard so much doom and

gloom around the tariffs.

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I'm not exactly sure like

we're an uncharted territory.

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You know, is it gonna be

eventually better for the economy?

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Is it gonna be bad for the economy?

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Is it gonna cause depression?

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Is it gonna I, there's a lot of like.

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Chicken little in this is like, oh,

the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

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The only thing I do know is that nobody

thinks the economy is being managed well.

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Nobody thinks that the foreign

policy is being managed well.

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Nobody thinks that that, you know,

medical and medical stuff in the

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United States is managed well.

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Like, I can't think of like a category

of anything that's being managed well.

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So if you're just starve the

beast of this, then great.

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You know, maybe we'll get

something better on the other side.

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Eh?

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Is that, I mean, is

that am I, I don't know.

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Am I just being,

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Jerremy Newsome: words?

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Dave Conley: In a sense,

like it doesn't affect me.

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So like I, I think I'm also

being an asshole in this.

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Jerremy Newsome: Here's a very unique

thought I shouldn't say it's very unique,

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but in Greece and in Croatia and a few

other places I went in Europe in most

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cities they have trees everywhere.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: When's the last

time you saw fruit trees in the us?

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Dave Conley: Geez.

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I live in a tropical

area and I don't see any,

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Jerremy Newsome: Correct.

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Dave Conley: yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: Like why don't we

line the roads with orange trees?

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Apple trees, cherry trees, like food.

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Yeah.

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To your point, food

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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And you grew up with that, right?

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The Georgia, Florida border.

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Jerremy Newsome: dude, where I was.

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Yes.

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I didn't grow up with it.

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Like it wasn't public, it was just there.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: Strawberries,

blueberries, blackberries

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would grow everywhere.

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So I would

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Down the road and just eat as I wanted to.

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But I've read some brief

articles that say it's just,

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it's too much to clean up, right?

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All the debris from the trees and

the moldy fruit and the bad fruit.

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And I'm over here thinking, have you

seen any of the streets in America?

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Like our, we're dirty af

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Dave Conley: Oh my god, it's awful.

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Jerremy Newsome: are

worried about orange peels.

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Dave Conley: Yeah

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Jerremy Newsome: I think a lot

of the application of this is,

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as boring as it might sound, is

probably a relatively easy fix.

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Where to your statement, need better

food, we need better quality of food,

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Dave Conley: yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: the government's gonna

pay for your food and you want to,

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you wanna buy your own beer and buy

some Cheetos Hey, knock yourself out.

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That's

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: Cheetos too.

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Are incredible, but the

government's not gonna pay for it.

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AKA the taxpayers aren't gonna pay for it.

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So if you are a tax, an

individual receiving such a, an

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assistance, chicken, broccoli

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Dave Conley: yeah,

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Jerremy Newsome: right?

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Eat great food and you'll feel

better, and most likely at that

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point, your kids will feel better

and everyone's gonna start becoming

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healthier and happier, more vibrant.

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But that is a fun consideration of a

solution is man, can we, in every city,

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major city, especially, every capital,

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Like every capital should

be planting fruit, trees,

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Grows in that state, for

Florida, it's gonna be a little

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bit different than Michigan,

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: but Michigan,

Hey, apples everywhere.

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Go for it.

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Like why can't people just

get access to apples for free?

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They grow that way.

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Plant

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Dave Conley: Let's.

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Jerremy Newsome: let

the trees do the work.

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Dave Conley: Let's

extend this a little bit.

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Here's, I got this question from my

sister and I'm like, I don't know.

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And 'cause I didn't count on

this for the first six months.

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So we're in August, right?

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Biggest legislation that's gone through

has been the reconciliation bill.

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But that's just, that's moving

things around in a package

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that already exists, right?

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Like, it's not new legislation.

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They're just shaking

up what already exists.

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Uh, it shouldn't say it's just a spending

bill, but it's not new legislation.

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What is the legislate, I don't know

what the agenda is for the fall and the

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spring, you know, going into the midterms.

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I have no idea.

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Is there anything inside the United States

that the administration's gonna focus on?

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Are they gonna be

talking about healthcare?

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Are they gonna be talking about anything

that actually matters to human beings?

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Or we're gonna just like end up talking

about, Gaza and Ukraine some more, and

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then, deporting people, which, is three

of the most profoundly negative things

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for Americans in the United States.

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Like, we hate it all.

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Uh, like what's going to be the agenda

for the administration coming up?

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And I, I don't know.

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Do you, I, because I'm not seeing anything

that they campaigned on for God's sakes.

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You know, it's like they were talking

about like, like, or bringing up a

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series on voting voting was a huge

deal for the Trump administration.

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They campaigned hard on voting reform.

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Nobody's talking about it.

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There's, you know, all the Maha stuff,

and I'm hearing like a little bit

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on the edges, but not like the big

reforms that we were looking for.

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Like what's the, what's the next

half here before the midterms?

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I don't know what's, what

are you hearing, if anything?

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Or what do you think?

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Jerremy Newsome: I'm not hearing much.

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That's the wild part.

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I'm definitely not hearing

anything about education reform

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which is the thing that we need the most.

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And that's the best part, man.

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I got friends on all

left right far, right?

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They're hanging over the cliff.

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got the far left, right?

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They're sitting on their.

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They're thrown their pedestal.

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I got friends on both sides of the aisle

and the one thing everyone agrees on

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is, man, our education system is broken.

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Dave Conley: Oh, it sucks.

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Jerremy Newsome: That one needs to be

fixed and spent a lot of time energy on.

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But to your point, yeah, that's

not gonna get brought up for sure.

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It is healthcare gonna be broached?

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Probably not.

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We do see the RFK is making some

shifts and some changes, which is cool.

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And I'm, I like that.

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I think that's awesome.

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But yeah, to your point, man, I'm

not really seeing a whole lot.

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That's US center, that's US focused.

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'cause like you mentioned earlier,

the international policy with

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the tariffs not an not epic,

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Dave Conley: Yeah, nobody, most people

don't even understand it and it doesn't

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feel like it's a positive thing,

it's like where is our energy policy,

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besides drill, baby drill, it's like,

where is, the nuclear and the EPA and

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the, and like where is anything that I

heard, was going to be, I don't know.

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He's what?

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I can't even imagine what they're gonna

be pushing for the agendas for the fall.

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And I'm like what's it gonna be?

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It's not spending our

spending's outta control.

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So I like what's up?

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I can't even imagine.

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I don't have anything on my dance card.

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What could it be?

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Jerremy Newsome: We're gonna

need some new bingo cards.

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Dave, we're running out.

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We're running out of bingo cards.

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Yeah, it's gonna have to be it.

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It'll,

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Dave Conley: What do you think

would make people the happiest?

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Because right now I don't

hear anybody's really happy.

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There might be a little bit of

immigration that people are pleased

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about, but they're not liking

deportation and how barbaric it is.

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Even the most ardent MAGA supporters that

I talk to certainly people on the left.

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Me who came into this very much,

left middle being like, okay, I

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don't like the corporate Democrats

and I'm not pleased with them.

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And I think the things that are

important to me might be handled

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better than Trump, but there's

a whole lot of downside to that.

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So I didn't care for either candidate.

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But it's ended up being much worse, right?

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The things that were actually important

to me, I'm sure a Biden Harris or a

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Harris Walls administration wouldn't

have been good at it, but they

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wouldn't have been this bad at it.

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Jerremy Newsome: I think to answer

your question, I think the one thing

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that people would probably be wildly

excited about would be a peace

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deal between Russia and Ukraine.

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Dave Conley: I hear you.

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But if it's.

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And that's international.

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Like frankly, nobody gives a shit.

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And there's, Obama had it, right?

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Ukraine matters zero to the United States.

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Like we don't trade with it.

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Like it is, like there it

has no security implications.

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It's it matters beyond

zero, to the United States.

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There's nothing about Ukraine.

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That, that literally matters.

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And we've made it like the

most important thing ever.

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And Europe has been crazy about it yet,

it's like, what are you guys doing?

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So I was like, us being involved with it

at all has bothered me from the beginning,

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because again, we can't solve this with

bullets, but okay let's put that aside.

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We've already talked that to oblivion.

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Jerremy Newsome: But

that would be, that'd be

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Would go, okay, thank

goodness that's over.

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Dave Conley: But what, and Gaza, same.

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Same, right?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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Dave Conley: Okay, get these

solved and stop killing, stop.

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You know what, how many times did we hear

from Trump we ought to stop the killing?

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We haven't done any of that.

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We've made it much worse.

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So great if we handled those two things.

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But what would be I'll just narrow

it down domestically, like within

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the borders of the United States in

the 50 states, what would people be

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like, oh, you guys are doing that.

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That'd be awesome.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Dave Conley: Health, healthcare,

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Jerremy Newsome: other

than educational reform,

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Dave Conley: education and healthcare.

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Jerremy Newsome: It's

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: The thing is okay, in

the healthcare space, what would it be?

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What would it it's free healthcare

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Even that probably

would make people happy.

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'cause there's gonna be some people

like how are we gonna pay for it?

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Like where's that coming from?

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The other fun, unique challenges,

like how are you gonna make the

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majority of people happy ever is also

a very difficult thing to do as well.

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But I think when Trump was trying to

do in the big bill, the big beautiful

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bill that he was trying to create

did increase spending dramatically.

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And I think the one thing that ties

us all together where we would have

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a dramatic, like sigh of relief as

if internally we all said, Hey, let's

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get this government spending down.

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Let's get our debt down.

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Let's actually come up with a way to

stop going $12 million more in debt.

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Every hour would be a great start.

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And for people to actually, for the, for

this administration to actually do that.

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I think that's the big one.

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That would be the one that a

lot of people go, oh, cool.

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Okay.

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Yeah let's keep behind that.

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I think a lot of people get happy

because I think most people know.

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I would say probably 90, 90% of Americans

know that we are in a lot of debt.

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mathematically, you can't increase

your debt exponentially forever

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without anything happening.

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Dave Conley: We need a series on this

because I, I'm you know, I've also

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heard the other side, which is like

we are reserve currency and we can

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just, we can really just keep spending

because there's no other game in town.

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And if you think bricks

is gonna be it's not.

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This spending and debt.

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It's important to you.

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It's important to me, but it's

not in the top 10 of most people.

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And they're like, I don't care, whatever.

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And like the politicians are

like nobody, nobody got elected

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to Congress by cutting spending.

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And that's how we got to where we are.

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So I want to come back

to this one as a topic.

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I think it's a good one

because I'm with you,

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Jerremy Newsome: it

might just matter to me.

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Dave Conley: but I, it doesn't

matter to people, like it's

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not a kitchen table issue.

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The kitchen table issue is prices

and job and safety and education and

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healthcare and the general feeling

like the biggest one, if, look, if they

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solve this, the Republicans will be

in, will have a luck at the midterms

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if they solved affordable housing.

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And if young people could actually

afford a house and think that they

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had a better life than their parents.

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Like I, I just go on rant

about the baby boomers and how

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they've just bankrupted us.

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They've created this, they've hoarded all

of the wealth and they've made sure that

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all of the debt, goes to, my generation,

the Xers and the millennials, and it

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makes me wanna take anybody who's over

the age of 65 and punch 'em in the face.

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It's what have you done?

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You've made the world more unsafe

and you've driven us into debt.

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How dare you?

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Like I just, the baby boomers

have made the world much worse.

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So I'm, there's a generational

series that I want to do too.

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It's ah, I couldn't be

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Jerremy Newsome: a, that

would be a fun solution.

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And again,

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Dave Conley: what up?

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Jerremy Newsome: prob I think I'm

probably on the stance of you where

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you were of the, the debt where it

is a kitchen table topic, again, from

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what I am seeing is it as affordable?

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obviously not.

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However, there's probably.

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900,000 houses in America right now

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Dave Conley: Yeah,

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Jerremy Newsome: less than $200,000.

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Dave Conley: I know.

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We've had this discussion with folks,

we had a whole series on this, and

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it's there's so much housing on

there, but it's too expensive, right?

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So what's keeping it so sticky?

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Jerremy Newsome: $200,000 or less.

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You could slash should be able to

afford that with a job, minimum wage.

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Dave Conley: Yes.

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And is there a job anywhere near it?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Jerremy Newsome: know.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: know,

but we could find out.

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That'd be the fun part, man, like for

me as an administration I want to put

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education at the forefront of, America,

here's how we can solve these issues.

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Let's

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: out.

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Dave Conley: Yeah.

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Jerremy Newsome: If you are 19

years old and you don't feel

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like you can afford a house, call

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Dave Conley: Yep.

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Jerremy Newsome: Have a

conversation with a realtor,

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Dave Conley: yep.

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Jerremy Newsome: discussing

your options and your choices.

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Dave Conley: Yep.

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Jerremy Newsome: at some numbers,

run the budget, figure it out

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because it is available, it's there.

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Again, what job is gonna be near there?

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I'm not entirely sure, but there's

probably something, and again that's

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that a realtor can help you get someone

to do a little bit of legwork for you.

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Do a little bit of Google, do

a little bit of Google Maps.

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It's available.

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But if you as a nation, if we continue

to just pour in this kerosene over

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everyone saying that, Hey, we got

this huge problem and we don't tell

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people how to fix it, it's just

gonna continue to drive people mad.

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And I think that there is

definitely some solutions out

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there to a lot of these challenges.

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But ultimately, man, that's what I think

we're doing a continually great job on.

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It's not only educating our listeners,

but just educating ourselves on,

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Hey, these are actual real topics,

these are real policies, these are

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real problems, and these are gonna

be some of the solutions that we can

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not only come up with, but continue

to talk about, continue to champion,

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continue to think through because I

don't think it's gonna go anywhere.

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And I think both of those uniquely are

very tied, The fact that America is in

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a crazy substantial amount of debt and

that prices are increasing, the reason

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prices are increasing is so that we can

make more money in taxes so that we can

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pay our debt down, but we're not, so

it's a double-edged sword that's not

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really going anywhere and it won't go

anywhere until it does go somewhere.

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And so someone has to get down

this like financial abacus of,

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Hey, this is gonna be a problem.

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We gotta fix this problem.

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This numerical issue is a challenge.

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And until that numerical issue is

fixed, we're gonna have higher prices

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on everything continuously, forever.

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So 25 years from now.

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What cost 500,000 presently will cost 1.2

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million.

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And unless you have also doubled

your income over the next 20

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years, you as that person are

gonna feel that inadequate pinch.

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Dave Conley: Hey, I am failing to

understand the logic why we pay taxes

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at all if we have 38 trillion in debt.

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Jerremy Newsome: There we go.

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Dave Conley: We have 38 trillion

in debt and debt doesn't matter.

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Then why does anybody pay any taxes?

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I like, like then make it, make

whatever is after a trillion.

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If it doesn't matter, it's like

I, if it doesn't matter, don't

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pay taxes because I'm failing to

understand why any money coming from

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the population would make any sense.

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Because just,

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Jerremy Newsome: anything with

it properly and adequately now.

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Yeah,

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Dave Conley: alright,

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Jerremy Newsome: the best part, that,

the best part is if I buy a car, right?

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The person that I buy

the car from is taxed.

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Dave Conley: right,

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Jerremy Newsome: bought it with money that

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Dave Conley: there's tech,

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Jerremy Newsome: in order to drive it,

I'm gonna go get gas, which is taxed.

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In order to drive it legally,

I have to have both insurance

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and registration, which is taxed

and illegal to drive without it.

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And then I'm gonna be

driving on roads paid for

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Dave Conley: Buy taxes.

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Jerremy Newsome: by taxes.

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Dave Conley: Oh.

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And then certainly around here you

pay a lot of tolls, which are tax,

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Jerremy Newsome: It's, I'm

like, and what we have?

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And then you're driving it to your

house and parking in your garage

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Dave Conley: which is taxed.

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Jerremy Newsome: tax like

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It's, and we in the Revolutionary War

got really pissed off over a 2% T tax

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Dave Conley: Okay.

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Jerremy Newsome: going?

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So yes, that would be a phenomenal topic.

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What would that look like from an

economy if we didn't pay taxes?

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How much more economy and

e-commerce would we actually have?

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Alex: “Fruit trees in city streets,

education reforms everyone agrees on,

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and the moral weight of cutting safety

nets—this is where it gets personal.

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Next, we raise the stakes with debt

crises, crypto wild cards, and the

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files that could rock the White House.”