Income Gap & Corruption Exposed (Full)
59% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, worst since the Great Depression. Former U.S. Congresswoman Marie Newman shares her take on the income gap, political corruption, and education's role. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley explore veteran mental health, government fixes, and getting money out of politics. They touch on stock trading bans and nonprofit shifts too.
Timestamps:
- (00:00) Introduction and Overview – setting the stage
- (00:38) Guest Introduction: Marie Newman – welcoming the former Congresswoman
- (01:33) Gun Reform: A Holistic Approach – comprehensive views on ownership
- (03:50) Personal Turning Points – key life moments
- (06:04) Challenges in Activism and Politics – facing obstacles
- (06:37) Money in Politics and Its Impact – financial influences
- (19:49) Veterans and Mental Health – support needs
- (25:49) Government Inefficiencies and Solutions – tackling hurdles
- (29:55) Getting Money Out of Politics – reducing sway
- (30:59) Addressing Campaign Finance Issues – donation impacts
- (31:57) Court Expansion and Supreme Court Rules – judicial changes
- (33:01) Conflict of Interest in Politics – ethical overlaps
- (33:47) Personal Background and Stock Market Education – life experiences
- (34:52) Banning Stock Trading for Congress Members – curbing advantages
- (38:35) Income Gap and Economic Inequity – wealth divides
- (45:45) Transition from Congress to Nonprofit Leadership – new roles
- (47:08) Final Thoughts and Call to Action – key takeaways
- (48:26) What Did We Learn? – main insights
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After every shooting, the same arguments come back
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:on que, but the question.
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:That actually matters is
the one we rarely ask.
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:What changes, outcomes,
not just headlines.
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:My name is Jerremy Alexander Newsom.
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:I'm joined as always by my
co-host Dave Conley, and this
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:is Solving America's Problems.
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:This is our fourth conversation
on guns in America.
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:We've covered the history.
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:The rights case from gun owners and a
Psychology First Systems view of reform.
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:Today we go straight to the
reform case with someone who
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:has spent years working on this.
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:From the ground up, we are joined
by the honorable Marie Newman.
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:Former US Congresswoman from Illinois,
and a longtime gun reform advocate before
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:Congress, she was a national spokesperson
for Mom's Demand action in Congress.
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:She argued that gun violence
doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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:and She approaches this not just
as politics, but as a public health
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:problem that demands real solutions.
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:Congresswoman Newman, welcome to the show.
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:Congresswoman, before we get into policy,
do you mind just giving us an idea of
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:when you say doesn't happen in a vacuum?
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:Marie Newman: Okay
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:Jerremy: what does that mean?
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:Marie Newman: so nothing happens
in the world in a vacuum, right?
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:This is we're all humans interacting
and humans are unpredictable
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:interesting animals, right?
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:And we have inst instincts, we have
intellect, we have emotion, right?
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:And.
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:What I typically say about gun reform
writ large is that it's gonna take all
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:of us because originally, NRA actually
was a revered organization, right?
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:They did good training, they
were helpful about storage.
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:They were good with schools.
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:They did a lot of really good work.
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:And then, as we all know, Wayne LaPierre
decided that this should be a moneymaking
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:venture and an extension of the major
gun manufacturers in the late nineties.
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:And that's very unfortunate.
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:'cause what was a really.
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:Good organization fell prey to capitalism.
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:So it's a, it's symbolic of where
everything went is that, everything
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:is always about money, right?
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:The root of the problem interestingly
is money and misinformation, right?
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:Which is frequently the case
in any troubled area, right?
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:From a gun reform perspective, how I
always approached it and when I would
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:talk to gun rights friends and advocates
is that yeah, everybody should have
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:the right to have a gun if they're
healthy and they know how to use it.
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:Totally.
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:Literally I.
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:Dozens of friends that are hunters, right?
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:If you wanna be a hunter, you
just like target practice.
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:That's a fun sporting activity for you.
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:If you feel like you need to have
that in your home for protection, you
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:live out in the middle of nowhere or
you live in a place you feel unsafe.
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:Godspeed, but you must be a healthy
person and you must know how to use it.
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:You must know how to store it, and
you must know how to manage your
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:life with all of those people.
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:So it's about the holistic approach.
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:Nothing happens in a vacuum because we
have to live as a full robust human,
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:but we also have to live in society.
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:So that's my general perspective.
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:Dave: A couple of things that
occurred to me, one of them I think
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:we'll talk a little bit later.
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:I just want to put a pin in it,
which is it, there's so much money
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:involved in this and it seems like
from a congressional point of view,
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:from a legislator point of view, that
there's so much money to do nothing.
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:But I wanna hold on that for a second.
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:Because, most of, I'm old enough to
remember that most of this happened
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:in the Clinton administration.
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:That was the last major reforms,
and we had a member of the Clinton
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:administration on last week.
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:But I'm jumping ahead.
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:I'm
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:Dave: talking about the
human aspect of this.
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:Really for you, was there a moment
in your life, a split, like a before
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:and after, where, something that
occurred or something in your life?
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:Marie Newman: Yeah, a few things.
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:I had a few, what I would say turning
points in because I go in the way
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:back machine to Million Mom March.
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:I worked with that group.
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:And I first of all, I should say probably
the first time it really was on my
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:radar in a very visceral way was I was
held up at gunpoint and knife point.
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:In my twenties.
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:And I could tell that even, I think
I was 26 at the time I could tell
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:the young man that was in front of
me and his friend, they were babies.
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:They were like 18 and
they were very scared too.
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:Now I was lucky.
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:Two restaurant workers came out
of the alley and and saved me,
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:and it was forever in their debt.
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:The two ran off.
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:I don't think they were ever caught,
but I don't think they were going to
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:harm me, but they may have, when you're
scared, you do very dumb things, so
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:I guess that was point number one,
but I never really got active in the
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:gun reform movement at that point.
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:It just really settled in me
and it's forever emblazoned
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:on my heart and my head.
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:Then when I think the next turning
point was Columbine, because I had
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:my, literally my newborn baby next
to me, a month old not even quite
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:a month old, maybe three weeks old.
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:And Columbine happened and I, and
I'm not even a big crier guys,
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:like I don't really cry that.
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:And but I was a hot mess for three
days and I realized as soon as I get.
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:Back into the world.
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:'cause I was on maternity leave.
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:I am going to do something about this.
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:And I did I started working
with million Mom March, and
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:then the third time was Sandy.
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:And then I had waned for a while.
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:I'll be honest, like I wasn't real active.
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:In the two thousands the aughts,
like I was, not, I was busy.
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:I had little kids and
all the things, right?
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:But then when Sandy Hook happened,
I was like, oh, no ma'am.
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:No ma'am.
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:I am on this.
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:And so I joined moms Demand Action.
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:And so those were the three kind
of pivotal periods that really
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:boosted me into where I am today.
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:Perfect.
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:Thank you so much for sharing.
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:And so since you brought it up,
you've been a Moms Demand Action
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:spokesperson and you've also
had to count votes in Congress.
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:Marie Newman: Yep.
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:Jerremy: What's the biggest lie activists
tell themselves about how change happens?
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:I.
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:Marie Newman: so lie, that's
an interesting word, right?
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:So I'm a ridiculously
optimistic and hopeful person.
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:So
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:Jerremy: Me too.
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:Marie Newman: You may think
right, like to a fault where
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:I'm like, oh no, we can do this.
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:And so I guess.
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:I guess I don't buy into the lie
theory, but let's go with it.
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:I think the, false hope activists
give each other frequently is
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:that it can be done quickly and
it never can be done quickly,
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:particularly when money's involved.
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:And I just wanna be clear, the
NRA gives millions and millions of
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:dollars to the mostly Republicans.
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:'cause I think there's maybe
only one Democrat that takes
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:in Congress takes an NRA money.
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:And I say that because, honestly,
bad decisions are made every day.
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:The reason we don't have healthcare
for all in this country is because of
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:money and corporate donations to all of
Congress, both Democrats and Republicans.
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:The reason our drugs are all too
expensive and people die every day is
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:because of money given to all members
of Congress, Democrats and Republicans.
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:The reason that we have the.
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:Prison system that we have
that's highly ineffective.
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:And by the way, I'm a very big
fan of punishment when due.
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:So you do have to go to jail
when you've done something wrong.
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:But our system is awful and doesn't work.
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:That's because of money and politics.
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:The reason that we have trouble
around this nation with everything
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:from social media to raising our
kids and all the things and is.
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:Of money in politics, right?
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:So for me, the way I, the frame
I always look at it is that
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:activists can say rah, si.
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:But until you get money outta politics,
you ain't going nowhere, baby.
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:I gotta tell you.
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:Dave: Would you say that there's
I think I, I heard a interview
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:with representative Luna.
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:She said that there's plenty of
money to not solve the problem.
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:Meaning that they're giving,
basically giving to, to everybody.
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:They're giving to the activist side,
they're giving to the reform side, and
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:they're giving to the, both sides of this.
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:And we're saying, okay, let's
keep this messy so that there
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:is no substantive reform.
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:Marie Newman: Oh, I think
that she's accurate there.
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:I actually have never spoken
to Congresswoman Luna, but
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:I think that's accurate.
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:I think that, a lot of money is thrown
at the problem, but until those five
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:hundred and thirty five hundred and
thirty five people in both chambers
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:decide that something's gonna get
done and it has teeth in it, it won't.
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:And so while she's right that
gosh, mom's demand acted and
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:every town is pretty well funded.
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:The NRA is ridiculously well funded,
and they receive a lot of foreign money.
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:They outbeat us, I think nine to one.
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:It's it's just not gonna get none.
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:So it's the game of more money.
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:And the same thing happens in healthcare
and a million different industries.
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:So it's not, I'm just telling
you, money and politics.
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:If you have a problem that isn't
being solved, it is because of money.
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:Jerremy: You made an
incredible statement there.
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:I think everyone would agree
with you also, by the way,
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:Jerremy: and just the overwhelmingly,
the overwhelming awareness that the
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:challenge, if you are an American citizen
and you're facing a very large challenge,
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:the reason it hasn't been fixed is most
likely because someone is getting rich
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:off of you not being healthier or better.
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:Marie Newman: Ding
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:Jerremy: wow.
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:Marie Newman: Ding.
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:You are absolutely correct.
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:I, having seen it, these
lobbyists are very powerful and
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:the organizations are bullies.
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:They are, the NRA is a bully.
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:I get why some of these
Republican Congress people
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:continue to take the money.
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:Because money, these people are scary.
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:I'm just straight up.
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:They're scary.
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:It's not
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:just money.
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:Jerremy: Not to go down a crazy
tangent, but I would just love to
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:get some insight from someone so
knowledgeable and so aware of this.
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:When you say they get the
money, like what does that mean?
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:Are they getting a check
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:Marie Newman: Yeah, so there.
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:Yeah, so the, there's a bunch of ways
they can receive money for the NRA.
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:So there's a thing called you
can have your own committee pack,
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:which is your campaign pack, right?
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:It's the bank account from which
you run your, all your campaigns
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:and your political side of your of
your life being in office, right?
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:So they can give directly to that.
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:So that pack check hacks out it, I
think five or 10,000 depending on if
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:you're in the house of the Senate.
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:You can also when you're
running for Congress, whether
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:you're an existing member.
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:Or a candidate, you can have the NRA and
there's 50 affiliates, just so you know.
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:There's.
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:Like 50 subgroups.
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:They can all give into a super
pac, which is, there's no cap.
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:They can give them millions of
dollars, they can give them $5, right?
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:There, those are two methodologies
how candidates and members of Congress
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:receive money for their campaigns.
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:They can also run an independent
expenditure, which is a, another
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:type of funding vehicle where
several entities can come together,
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:call it something sunshiny like.
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:Progress for tomorrow,
or sunshine on Thursdays.
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:And it always cracks me up like the
names they choose, but regardless.
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:That independent expenditure
model you can use too.
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:And then all of the members of the
executive team at all of the gun
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:manufacturers can give you and they
can max out as a couple so they can,
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:depending on house or Senate, it can
be $10,000 or more, so on and on.
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:It gets funneled in a
bunch of different ways.
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:And then you can get other related, so
the bullet companies, the the gun range
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:chains, the, all of the, think about the
industry, like everybody in the industry
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:can jump on the bandwagon, so that's why
it's well funded and then all of the folks
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:that you know, and as I'm sure you're
very learned in this space that 83% of
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:all NRA members want training, storage
and all of the things and don't want
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:people that are ill health to have things.
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:That's very clear.
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:It's just overwhelming.
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:There's been a hundred studies,
NRA has done studies like,
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:so it's not the gun owners.
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:It's the money people
that are the problem.
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:Jerremy: Wow.
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:That is fascinating.
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:So when you, when we say problem,
because you and I also and Dave and
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:probably a lot of other people, to
your point, the NRA, they, we've done
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:tests, they call and have called gun
violence, a public health crisis.
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:Can you, for all of our listeners, help
us translate that into plain English?
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:Like what are the risk factors
and what are the interventions?
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:Marie Newman: So the reason that
we, that, we call it a a health
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:epidemic or a health crisis
population or a public health crisis.
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:It's a lot of, clinically it
meets that standard, right?
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:Is that is it now 40 or
50,000 people die a year?
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:A third of them are suicides.
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:And then.
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:I forget the number now.
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:I'm, I haven't seen
this number in a while.
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:Probably in a year and a half.
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:The number of people that
are simply shot but survive,
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:right?
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:When anything is that lethal, clinically,
you are allowed to call it either an
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:epidemic or a public health crisis.
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:So it meets muster in
terms of the definition.
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:No problem.
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:It's right up there with
cancer and heart disease.
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:So it, public health definition.
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:That's correct.
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:The problem is that, not
unlike some diseases.
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:It's not just the, okay, you
have to take the medication.
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:No so with mental health, right?
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:You have to take the medication.
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:You have to live healthy, have a
good diet, exercise, get sleep,
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:and have healthy relationships.
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:But the third piece of the
stool and mental health is you
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:have to retrain your brain.
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:Most mental health
patients refuse to do that.
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:'cause that's the hardest work.
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:And I know this very clearly 'cause
mental health is all over my family.
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:So I have worked this program for
30 years and yelled at insurance
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:companies and pharmacy benefit
managers and the whole deal.
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:But I know this to be true.
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:That aside there are, there
is no, I will call it.
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:Like a general contractor on a
house construction that manages
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:all of those spaces, right?
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:That manages the health component,
the societal and the traditional
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:component, the the physical
health, the mental health.
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:Nobody manages all of that to
address said public health crisis.
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:So now we are back to the money problem.
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:There's no, the money source to
put together a more robust program.
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:So then we go to best practices, right?
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:So I'm a former management consultant.
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:I tend to look at who's done
things well so that you can adapt,
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:innovate, and do it better, right?
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:There are a bunch of different approaches.
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:You can go blanketly like Australia
and say, Hey, nobody can have guns.
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:We had a good experiment in the
nineties when we saw that when
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:we take away assault weapons.
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:Wow.
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:Both all kinds of death goes down
when assault weapons go away from
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:the general public, allowing military
and obviously law enforcement to
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:have what they need in terms of
semi-automatic and automatic weapons.
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:But the general public
did not, and it worked.
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:Then the manufacturers the the gun
manufacturers got super mad and
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:started paying everybody off again.
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:And we are where we are so
you can take a big chunk.
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:We're never gonna get rid of it.
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:That's silly to, anyone who says,
oh, we're gonna end all gun violence,
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:that's, we are going to reduce,
we can reduce it dramatically.
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:We can reduce it dramatically,
and we can do it.
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:It just takes, a full 360 approach, right?
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:Yep.
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:To, to your point 60, I
think it's two thirds, right?
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:Over 60% of gun deaths are suicides.
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:And if we treat that as impulse meets
access, what would you say is the least
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:invasive intervention, inter intervention,
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:That would save the most
lives in that situation?
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:Marie Newman: So the prevailing knowledge
used to be Jerremy that the, that the
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:background check and the waiting period.
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:But it kept on getting struck.
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:So three days doesn't do anything.
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:You can stay angry for three months.
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:So it's that's a kind of a silly, like
I'm Irish, I hold a grudge once in a
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:while, it takes me a little bit longer
to get over things than the average joke.
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:So I think that again, and we're
back to the holistic approach.
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:I don't think it's any one thing.
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:I think that we need to expand you need
to require training a full on health
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:assessment background checks and then six
months to a year before an average person.
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:'cause yes, we need guns for law
enforcement and military and all
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:of the things, but average Joe.
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:Doesn't he have an
emergency gun situation?
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:Nobody should be getting a gun in
an emergency fashion, so we must
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:require that they have full training,
like six to eight weeks of training.
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:Full on, get a certification, then you
have two weeks of storage training,
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:and then you have six months to a
year to wait and think about it.
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:But in that time, you also have to
have a psychological evaluation and a
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:full health physical health evaluation.
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:Then you should be gifted a
gun if you're just an average
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:person, because there's no.
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:Target practice emergency
that you need it for.
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:There's no hunting emergency
that you need it for.
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:There is no if you live in a place
where you don't feel protected in your
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:home, do other things till you get
said gun, there and there are, you can
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:get ring doorbells and have the local
police protect you and all the things.
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:So
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:Marie Newman: it's a full approach.
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:It's not just one thing.
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:Makes sense.
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:Dave, it looks like you had a question.
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:Dave: I certainly speaking to.
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:And advocates and even reform-minded
people that, that have guns.
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:This is where I struggle.
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:The politics around.
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:This is very much on, on all the
things that you just mentioned, the
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:waiting periods, the assault style
bans the, size of the magazines.
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:I hear you.
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:I, and I understand it because, if you
change that, then you see this result.
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:And then on the other side with
the people who own guns and
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:the advocates, they're like.
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:This doesn't move the bar for the vast
majority of people because the vast
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:majority of what we call gun violence
happens with men, happens, men killing
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:themselves, and the vast majority of
those are our veterans that aren't
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:getting the help that they need.
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:Marie Newman: a hundred percent.
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:Dave: Then the other mass part of this is
hyper localized 50 zip codes with youth
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:on youth violence in urban settings.
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:These are also young men who, aren't
getting the help that they need
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:or the communities that they need.
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:I hear you Congresswoman
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:Ann.
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:Marie Newman: So
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:Dave: It feels like that there's simple
things that we could do like mental
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:health and helping our veterans and
stop invading countries and 50 zip
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:codes with a million dollars that,
that bring, men helping young youth.
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:And I'm like, that's great.
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:And we don't have to, run people
through training and the rest of that,
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:which I personally agree with, but
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:I it's, it feels lipstick on
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:So that, so what those remedies
I talked about are for folks that
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:are thinking about buying a gun.
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:So the.
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:There's 350 million guns out there in the
US and I think a million people own those.
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:Said three, 350 million guns.
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:I think that's the one I
looked at last about last year.
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:So those a hundred million people that
own guns and own multiple guns, now some
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:of them only won, some of them own 27.
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:You're right.
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:That doesn't do a whole lot for them.
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:So then it becomes the question of the
back to the root source and it's, who are
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:we isolating and where's the money, right?
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:So it's money in isolation.
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:So usually when gun owners feel the need
to use their gun in an inappropriate
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:way, they're isolated depressed, angry
they have they have few opportunity
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:economic opportunities, right?
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:So all those things and it can
be one or all of them, right?
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:So for me.
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:I feel like when we talk about
this with the, those a hundred
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:million gun owners is we can't go
back and scoop up all those guns.
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:That's a silly idea and it's a bit
anti-constitutional, so we can't do that.
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:We do have to get those folks
particularly our veterans to a health
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:and wellness place that is free.
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:I'm gonna get political and I'm
sorry, I know we have all stripes
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:here, but I'm just gonna say it.
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:When this president took away 67%
of the Veterans Administration
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:budget, that was super ef.
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:Because now we have the veterans.
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:Already in one year, we have seen
the rate of veterans trying to
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:hurt themselves or kill themselves.
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:More than double inside of one year.
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:So you're right, Dave.
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:Stop creating wars and we've created
nine in the last 13 months, we've
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:created nine wars that are not resolved.
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:And we have veterans across the world,
away from their families, wrong.
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:We have veterans that feel badly about
themselves because a number of reasons.
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:They get it from all sides.
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:They get it from the side of
Hey, go shoot and kill people.
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:And then in the military,
they, propagate that.
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:Now that said, there's a lot
of amazing military people that
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:understand the gravity of death
and teach them great things.
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:There's a few that.
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:Don't teach great things, right?
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:So largely I'm a huge fan of our military.
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:Sometimes just like in any industry,
you get a bad apple here and there.
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:So we do have to do something
particularly, and I would
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:start with veterans.
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:So you have to start with a, again, back
to my dorky management consulting days.
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:Start with a pilot program.
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:So start with veterans because it
is the that group has the Perla.
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:Plurality, sorry.
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:It's early.
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:The plurality of problems within
that writ large group, right?
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:So let's start that pilot program
with them and lift them up and
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:get them to a healthier spot.
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:And that again, needs to be a robust 360.
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:So for me, what I would do if we look
at just the dorky government of IT
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:stuff, administrative stuff is create.
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:A section in the VA that addresses
this veterans interaction with
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:firearms, from the get go.
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:I think that's a good starting point.
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:But there are other areas too where
you can, so in areas an interesting,
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:the uptick in rural suicides because
what we do to our farmers is awful.
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:And the uptick around youth that don't
have opportunities in rural areas,
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:that uptick is a, is indexing at 127%.
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:So it isn't just urban and
suburban, it is very much rural.
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:And just so you know, per capita
rural, 'cause we have far fewer
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:It's like hovering around 30%.
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:There's been some engagement with firearm
that they potentially hurt themselves.
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:So that's really significant.
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:So we do have to have problem, we
have to do some problem solving
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:around that demographic that feel as
though and it's particularly in the
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:Gen ZI have two Gen Z kids, right?
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:One of them just got a job after six
months of being out of work and another.
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:Got was part of this layoff
from the tariffs, right?
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:With a fortune 50 company.
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:And so we have to address
the economic piece of it too.
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:So people our kids that are Gen
Z and some millennials can feel
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:like they can get equity and buy
a home and all the things, right?
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:Again, I wish there was
one intervention, but we
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:can do a couple of small scale
pilots right, right away.
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:We could do that.
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:Right now the federal
government has lots of power.
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:They could do that right now, today they
could start and they have the experts that
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:would do it on all sides of the politics.
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:Jerremy: Since we're brainstorming,
walk us through that.
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:Walk us through that vision or that dream.
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:I'd love
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:Marie Newman: I mean it.
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:so let's play the veterans
Administration piece out.
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:So right now you could take money from
the DOD budget, which is, was re it's the
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:largest it's ever been by a factor of two.
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:Just take I don't know,
what would it take?
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:A hundred billion.
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:Jerremy: Dave, this is what, dear, this
is what I've been saying for years.
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:Sorry.
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:Keep going.
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:Marie Newman: Take a hundred billion
and build a real veterans exit program.
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:This is the problem.
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:When we, when our veterans come
home, we treat them like crap.
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:We do.
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:I have relatives that were and none
of them, and I, full disclosure,
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:my, my relatives did not see combat.
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:But we still, you would be amazed at
veterans that don't even see combat and
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:have been isolated for two years in some
weird place that is antithetical to their
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:upbringing and they, that screws them up.
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:We forget all the ways in
which we screw up our veterans.
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:So if we did an exit program.
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:You could lay I don't know,
7 billion on that and get a
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:really robust program going.
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:Jerremy: Totally.
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:Marie Newman: and by the way, the
other problem we have with our veterans
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veterans have been part of the army,
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:had a tour, blah, blah, blah, there's
another probably 30 to 50 million close
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:relatives that are affected by this too.
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:Sometimes spouses and kids kill
themselves as relative to the trauma.
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:'cause the trauma is in the home and it's
in your central nervous system, right?
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:So if we did a, an exit
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:program for veterans, I think that's
a really good place to start, right?
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:And give them job training.
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:Give them mental health training.
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:Give them a safe place to live.
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:A safe place to talk about their trauma.
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:And all of those programs were taken
away in this administration and it
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:wasn't great before, by the way.
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:Biden didn't do a lot better, but
at least the programs were in place
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:and now we've taken that all away.
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:And now we're gonna see we're gonna have,
I'm just gonna predict, and I hate this
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:'cause it, I hate to be true, but I'm
a little older and I'm true sometimes.
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:We're gonna see a homeless
explosion in the veteran population
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:because of what they've done to
the VA in the last 12 months.
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:Dave: We've and over the last year,
we've covered so many different
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:topics from veterans to we, we
did school shootings and safety.
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:We've done so many, so homelessness,
so many different topics.
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:The
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:thing that seems impenetrable, I, and
I'm gonna speak for both Jerremy and
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:myself, is where does the money go?
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:Like you were on I believe you were
on SBA and transportation committees.
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:Marie Newman: that's right.
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:Dave: I was a senior executive
in the government for a while.
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:Dave: I couldn't bend a paperclip
for under a hundred thousand dollars.
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:This is whole.
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:I just, it is unfathomable to me
where, the size of the US budget,
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card, the government credit card
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:and where the money actually goes.
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:So I, I hear you.
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:But the Veterans Administration
has a huge budget.
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:Like where do we lose the connection?
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:Where does the money, what?
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:Where's the black hole?
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:Marie Newman: The, so hospitals and
clinics and healthcare providers
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:are extraordinarily expensive.
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:That whole so Tricare, you're
probably familiar, Dave, 'cause
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:you've worked in the government.
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:TRICARE is the is the health insurance,
if you will, of the veteran community.
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:Tricare.
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:Runs by itself.
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:So it's like a mini Medicare.
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:So think of that, think of
the D, the duplication there.
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:We have Medicare, we have Medicaid.
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:And then we have Tricare.
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:What if that had one backend?
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:Back to my dorky days we had
one back office for all three of
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:those, and it was one single pair.
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:Then we'd solve a lot of problems.
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:So let's start there.
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:But, so just in terms of the cost
though, to help you understand, there's
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:duplicated back offices for all these
places, so it's a little bit like.
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:And you'll be surprised
'cause I'm a raging democrat.
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:For me to say this is that we
don't need all these townships and
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:we don't need a fire department
for a town that has 500 people.
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:Use your next door neighbors
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:for god's sakes.
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:Be efficient.
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:And yeah, the inefficiencies and
what, so for me, what's funny is that
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:Doge was absolutely wrong 'cause they
did the Eenie Minnie money Mo Okay.
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:Take all that out if it had been a bunch
of dorky management consultants like
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:me going and say, okay, what's working?
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:What's not working?
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:What's best practices?
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:Boom.
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:Go with this.
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:That would've been a good approach and
I would've been all in then, by the way,
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:because there is, you are right Dave.
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:There is there is, there's
not that much fraud, weirdly.
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:There's incompetence and there's
there's duplication, but there's
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:really not that much fraud.
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:So if they'd gone in and said, look,
let's just get merciless about this
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:and clean this thing up, that's fine.
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:But cutting social services.
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:Is now going to result in homelessness.
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:Our morbidity rate is
gonna get a lot worse.
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:Our mortality rate is
gonna get a lot worse.
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:Our public health is gonna get
a lot, everything gets worse.
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:So for me, the it would be the
first thing that I would do is
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:consolidate Tricare Medicaid Medicare
to one entity with one back office.
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:Jerremy: That seems like a pretty, I
know we said earlier that there's a
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:lot, not tons of things that can happen
quickly, but that seems like one of them.
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:Marie Newman: Oh, you could
look, Medicaid is set, or sorry.
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:Medicare is set up right now to
absorb the entire insurance industry.
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:We could do it in literally a series
of months and all the employees, by
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:the way, so no one loses their job.
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:So don't tell me this can't be done
because I have studied healthcare.
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:Just so you know.
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:I was a healthcare industry
analyst and studied it on
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:both sides for three decades.
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:Don't tell me it can't be done.
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:No, ma'am.
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:I can absolutely be,
that can happen for sure.
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:Especially, you pretty much outlined it.
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:And I'm, and I've, look,
I'm the rea I'll be honest.
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:I'm working with a dear friend in
Congress who's thinking about running who.
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:Knows about the system as well.
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:Very well, and I'm, if he does run
for president I will support him.
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:So we're, I'm in his kitchen
cabinet and we'll see what happens.
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:But Yeah.
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:because I am very, there are two
things that I will do before I
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:die and I've got another 60 years.
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:I'm very healthy.
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:Jerremy: plenty.
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:Marie Newman: I wanna get money outta
politics and I want every human in
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:the US to have healthcare and period.
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:Jerremy: Yeah, I love that.
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:Those are two.
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:Without, we're definitely gonna have
to derail a little bit because one
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:of those is so near and dear to my
heart is the money outta politics.
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:To Dave's point and.
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:The money's everywhere.
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:It's always going.
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:No one knows why or where, who
has it, but none of the people
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:who need it are getting it.
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:And the people that need
it aren't having it.
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:And the people that have
it aren't giving it.
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:So it's kinda like where everyone
has it except the people who should
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:have getting money outta politics.
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:What would be an actual legitimate
step towards that happening?
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:Marie Newman: So we already have
something set up and ready to go.
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:Jerremy: Okay.
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:Marie Newman: There is a a bill called
the Anti-Corruption Act that there's
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:a congressman in California, his name
Ro Khana who put together, it would
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:take away 80% of Citizens United.
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:So quick for your listeners, not
necessarily for YouTube, but for your
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:listeners citizen United was a Supreme
Court decision that maintained that
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:corporations are allowed to fund.
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:Candidates and members of Congress and
any elected official to their heart's
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:content at any number because that's
your first amendment choice and they
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:deemed that corporations are people and
have a voice, gross, all of it, right?
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:So that's what we're dealing with.
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:Citizens United.
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:We cannot overturn Citizens United
until we have a different Supreme Court.
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:None of those babies are gonna die
for a long time, I hate to tell you.
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:And so those nine players, three
of them would vote to overturn
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:Citizens United right now.
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:Six would not.
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:So what do we do in place of that?
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:There's two things we can do.
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:We can do this anti-corruption
act, which doesn't require.
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:An overturn of a citizens unit.
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:It gets rid of superpacs, it gets
rid of independent expenditures.
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:It brings the individual donation
down to, I think 500 or a
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:thousand from the max out level.
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:And it get, gets rid of dark money.
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:And then if there are any un itemized
expenditures, and I'm not gonna
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:get in the weeds about the FEC, but
it makes everything transparent.
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:So it would solve about
80% of the problem.
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:And that has probably a hundred
signers right now, has one.
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:Republican, which is good.
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:The rest are Democrats, but all
of those Democrats and Republicans
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:that take money are like, oh, ah,
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:that's gonna be rougher for me.
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:Yikes.
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:So that would solve 80%
of the problem right away.
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:And then we could also do an
expansion, court expansion to make it.
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:Where the Supreme Court is 15 people.
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:And you get a much more balanced
approach to America because then
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:you could have independent thinkers,
you could have right, left, you
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:could have whatever you wanted.
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:And a different way to appoint them
versus an individual president,
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:Democrat, or Republican or independent.
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:It having the only say to it and then.
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:And then some rules around not this
nonsense that Mitch McConnell wouldn't
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:allow any of the Supreme Court
justice to get done during Obama.
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:That was ridiculous because it's very
clear in the House and Senate rules,
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:but whatever he did, what he did rules
around the Supreme Court would be helpful.
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:And then this anti-corruption
bill would be very helpful.
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:All by the way, it has teeth in it
too, which is what I screamed about
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:and I got in trouble with all of my
leadership all the time is because I'd
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:read the bill and I'd be like, no teeth.
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:No reinforcement.
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:No.
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:There's no watchdog group.
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:There's no, and be like,
oh, Marie, please be quiet.
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:Dave: Could, any of this be sassy?
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:I feel like we need
t-shirts on your website.
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:You're so sassy.
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:Could any of this be solved
with conflict of interest?
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:When in private industry, like I, if I did
anything with conflict of, in, interest
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:I could be like, in serious trouble.
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:Marie Newman: thing, David.
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:And yeah, so you're right
that we should do that.
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:It would give it a little bit, not
like they might think twice, but those
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:things are real hard to resolve in
court, as even in the, in, in business.
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:It's real hard to resolve in
court and it takes forever
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:and it's, so it's like an NDA.
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:It's only as good as the goodwill
coming from the signer, right?
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:I've been in those battles.
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:They seldom go your way, so it's
it, that's, I would rather the
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:teeth be real strong and real clear.
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:And there's a it's in the penal
coat, that's when it gets yummy.
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:Penal coat is yummy.
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:Dave: Laws.
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:Got it.
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:What about, the one for me.
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:Super quick background on me.
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:Congresswoman, I, my specialty has been
in stocks and options and trading and
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:investing, and I built and then sold
the third largest stock market education
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:company that educated people for free
on just how the stock market works.
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:Marie Newman: Oh God bless you.
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:Jerremy: Oh, thank you.
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:I spent tons of time going to schools
and colleges and just like middle
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:schools, kindergartens, like just
teaching kids how investing works and how
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:trading works and how the market works.
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:And I've always thought it
very interesting and one of the
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:The disallowing of individuals in
politics, Senate, or the Congress
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:or the House of Representatives to
invest into individual companies.
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:Because again, back to the back,
to the that's an obvious, right?
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
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:There.
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:And there's a bill ready to go by the
way, that has 110 signers right now.
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:There's two Republicans on that.
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:God bless them.
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:And so that one is ready to go too,
that, I forget the house number on it,
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:but that is a bill that's ready to go.
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:So no one, I agree with you.
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:It's isn't it like such
common sense Jerremy, right?
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:Nobody should be able to
invest in a single company.
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:And by the way, I also would take
it a little further because right
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:now how it's set up.
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:As a member of Congress quarterly,
you have to do a report on
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:all your finances, right?
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:So have you sold a home?
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:Have you bought a home?
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:And if you are trading stock, you
have to list all of it individually.
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:What is the status of your mutual
fund, ETFs, all the things.
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:Do you have a trust, whatever,
like all those questions, right?
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:Some of them are late with them and they
think it's funny because there's no teeth.
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:Like they don't get, like if they
are late by a year or two, then
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:they get brought before ethics.
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:And then ethics is shame
on you, you're so bad.
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:And which is nothing, they all
violate the stock Act all the time.
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:'cause the Stock Act says that you
have to report everything, right?
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:So we have to get beyond that.
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:We have to have the Stock Act too, which
is this new bill that a hundred, we have
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:a hundred members of Congress signing onto
that would forbid all members of Congress
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:from trading individual stocks, all of
their families and all of their staff.
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:Then you do take away the
conflict back to Dave's comment.
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:So it would, and so you hit
the nail on the head again.
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:That one's ready to go.
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:It's just getting all these people that
and I'll give you a couple examples.
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:Nancy Pelosi entered Congress
in the late eighties, early
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:nineties, I can't remember.
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:And she had, I don't know, 10 million.
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:Now she has 300 million, right?
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:Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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:She started out her net
worth was under a million.
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:Now she has 23 million in six years.
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:So please.
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:Please tell me what's going on
here, folks, and the, and I'm just
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:picking on those two by the way
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:Dave: No, it, yeah.
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:Jerremy: Oh, there is a long list.
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:Marie Newman: Oh my God, it's, yeah,
I always laughed so hard because when
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:I was in Congress and I filled out all
my forms every quarter, my husband was
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:trading a couple of individual stocks
because it's part of our retirement.
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:But here's what I would say is that
I still supported the Ban, the Stock
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:Act, which was around when I was in
Congress, which is now three years ago.
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:Because.
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:I'm a good actor.
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:Like I sat on small
business and transportation.
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:I didn't own any transportation stocks.
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:No small business stocks.
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:Like I was very clear.
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:But I will tell you the, almost
the entire financial services
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:committee, Democrats, Republicans,
and independents, all trade stocks.
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:In the financial services
industry, so shame on them.
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:Disgusting.
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:And a conflict of interest.
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:And you do on financial, on the financial
services committee, you do hear things
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:on transportation and and small business.
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:We're always dealing with keeping
our union brothers and sisters
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:safe and keeping Americans safe on
transportation and on small business.
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:We're just trying to
bring their taxes down.
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:But on financial services and energy
and commerce, they hear so much.
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:I can't tell you.
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:Like it's disgusting.
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:So that's an infuriating.
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:So I'm with you, my brother.
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:Jerremy: And it's also very it's just
very I'm just trying to look for the right
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:word, but it's very calming for someone
to else hear and say that because it's.
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:On the in, on the outside
people that are looking in.
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:It's so obvious and so transparently
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:insane.
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:Marie Newman: it's 80% of Republicans
and 90% of Democrats all agree.
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:These people should not be
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:trading stocks, period.
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:Jerremy: Yes.
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:And getting back to the whole
money com money complexity.
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:That's really what it is.
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:Like it's money in politics.
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:And if you have money in politics,
money, you've heard how many times have
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:we heard the term money changes people.
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:And so when you start changing and
you're supposed to be representing
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:and you're supposed to be connecting
with and you're becoming too removed
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:from where you started and the whole
reason you started, and yeah, just
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:gonna become, create a big shift.
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:Marie Newman: yeah.
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:No, it's a I will tell you the one
lesson I learned and I wrote this
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:in my book that came out last year
almost in every chapter in some form.
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:I said, it's not just follow the money,
it's follow the people that are giving
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:the money and receiving the money.
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:And we do have to address
this at some point.
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:I it was, I was not popular in
Congress for a bunch of reasons,
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:but I was really pushing that, I
was pushing the anti-corruption act.
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:I was pushing the expand the court
Act because we can't address this.
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:It is the will to address it, and
it's, so that's what I I spend my
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:time doing now with my substack, is
I help people understand Congress
821
:and why nothing ever gets done.
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:You do have control.
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:You.
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:The three of us have control and all
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:the other voters in the US have control.
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:And so don't vote for people
that take corporate PAC money.
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:Don't take, don't vote for people
that have bully Pac money from foreign
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:lobbies like APAC and Democratic
Majority for Israel and the like.
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:Don't vote for people that won't sign
on to the Anti-Corruption Act or the the
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:stock Act if they won't sign onto those.
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:That is a big red flag.
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:Jerremy: Big red flag.
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:Because again back from my, to my
background, I'm the stock tradings
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:expert and very familiar with it.
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:I'm not saying you can't
invest into markets.
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:I'm not saying you can't invest
into the US economy, but buy
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:an ETF, buy a mutual fund.
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:Buy something that you can't
individually can solely control,
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:own, operate, manipulate.
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:Marie Newman: And I think there should
be, in fairness, what I would add to,
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:with the amendment, I would add to the
current Stock Ban Act of individual stocks
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:within those mutual funds and within,
'cause you can model in there, right?
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:Like you can choose different models.
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:So like in an ETE there should be
rules around the ETF modeling and
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:the the individual transactions.
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:And that you can only do
it so often and it can't
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:be related to any of the, and you
can't, let's say if you sit on
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:transportation in your mutual fund,
you can't have United Airlines.
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:Jerremy: Yeah.
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:So something to that extent and to
your point, bank executives have to
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:do this all the time, by the way.
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:So if you work for a Citigroup, JP
Morgan, Goldman Sachs, like if you're
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:a higher up executive level, they're
banned from doing almost anything.
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:Marie Newman: Is not a new concept.
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:Jerremy: not at all.
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:It's just in politics.
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:Like they could do whatever they
want, but if you are the president.
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:Of a bank branch, a mid-tier bank, first
Horizon National in Tennessee, you can't
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:touch any stock that bank has business
with or that the bank has an account with.
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:You can't buy or sell that
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:Marie Newman: And I
like that a whole bunch
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:Jerremy: at all.
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:Marie Newman: Yeah.
864
:So it's there, there's another
opportunity we would have to pull
865
:this back and it's not necessarily
again, to back best practices, but
866
:it's not necessarily exactly what
we would do, but conceptually.
867
:In the UK what they do with elections
is they say, here's 30 K, whatever their
868
:trans two pounds, here's three months.
869
:Go and that's all you get.
870
:So it's publicly funded.
871
:And I'm not saying that's a
perfect answer, but it does
872
:solve a whole bunch of things.
873
:Jerremy: It does.
874
:Yeah.
875
:Yeah.
876
:If you have a fund where every candidate
gets the same amount of money and this
877
:is the most you can spend, that's it.
878
:Enjoy.
879
:Marie Newman: And you can't use your
own money and you can't sell fund,
880
:and you can't use your friend's
fund money and blah, blah, blah.
881
:Yeah.
882
:Jerremy: Hey, I'm all about it.
883
:I I agree.
884
:I think I don't know, I don't know
if it would change necessarily
885
:people's viewpoints or opinions
on politics, but what it would do
886
:is it would bring a certain level
of different players to the game.
887
:One of the things that Dave mentioned
is he's excited about the day where
888
:Washington DC becomes the new sports
arena or the new place where people want,
889
:instead of going to Hollywood to become
an actor or become a professional DJ or.
890
:Wanting to become the
next big football star.
891
:They wanna go to DC 'cause
they want to create incredible
892
:laws and incredible bills.
893
:And to your point, give healthcare
opportunities for every single person
894
:in the United States of America or
take money out of politics where it's
895
:something that is not as egregiously in
the face of everyone that's voting for
896
:you, where we know that you're stealing
from us, but we just don't know how.
897
:Oh, we can't do anything about it.
898
:Marie Newman: That's right.
899
:That's right.
900
:Yeah.
901
:Jerremy: so for our listeners, that's
what people love about the podcast to
902
:the degree is we'll start on something
and there's we went down a new path.
903
:But the reality is that's what
this product and program was.
904
:Initially, we started discussing guns
and Dave and I were thinking, okay,
905
:everyone's been telling us to go
and talk about guns and talk about.
906
:Everything that's happening negatively.
907
:And then we saw this incredible data
right in front of our face where it
908
:was not even remotely what we thought.
909
:We thought that, yeah, take away some
assault rifles and then man, every,
910
:everything is solved and assignment an
911
:Marie Newman: No.
912
:Jerremy: And yeah, the data
was just showing us something
913
:so different, so transparent.
914
:Let's do a quick little lightning round,
915
:Marie Newman: Oh, fun.
916
:Jerremy: just Yeah.
917
:Super fast.
918
:Quickest answer imaginable that you have.
919
:All right.
920
:What's the most underrated fix you rarely
hear people talking about in politics?
921
:Marie Newman: Oh, that's
a really good one.
922
:It that is already in place,
is that what you're saying?
923
:Jerremy.
924
:Jerremy: Not necessarily.
925
:Marie Newman: I, okay,
926
:Jerremy: could be in, it could be in
place, or it could not be in place, but
927
:something
928
:Marie Newman: so
929
:Jerremy: it is in
930
:place, awesome.
931
:Marie Newman: in place because
there's not a lot that has been fixed.
932
:I am just, I have a my mother used
to say is that, it's not okay.
933
:It's you can sometimes not
share every thought in your head
934
:Jerremy: totally.
935
:Marie Newman: yeah.
936
:But Medicare for all, Medicare
would solve that huge healthcare
937
:problem and economic inequity.
938
:So about a third of everybody's budget
goes to healthcare and it would solve
939
:that inequity right away for all
humans in the United States of America.
940
:Jerremy: I love it, which is probably
also the answer to this question.
941
:What's one policy you
would stake your name on?
942
:So it's probably the same one, huh?
943
:Marie Newman: That and
getting money outta politics.
944
:So the Anti-Corruption Act I, both,
the Medicare for All Act and the
945
:anti-corruption Act I would put
946
:all my money on and all my reputation.
947
:Jerremy: Love it.
948
:If you could force Congress
to look at one chart for 60
949
:seconds, what chart would that be?
950
:Marie Newman: income gap.
951
:Jerremy: Tell me more.
952
:Marie Newman: So if we look at the
income gap from the:
953
:unions have gotten so beat up that we
created our middle class through the
954
:unions in the 1950s through the 1980s.
955
:Then then they were beaten up a
lot, taken away, all their rights
956
:taken away and things went down.
957
:So now people that work a really
hard 40 hour week intellectually
958
:and physically work really hard.
959
:Are making a lot less and
their wages have not gone up.
960
:Similarly, all of the middle
class wages have not gone up.
961
:And then of course our minimum
wage has stayed at 7 25.
962
:And if we look at it from a pure economic
standpoint, it should be $25 an hour.
963
:So people that work at 40 hour, 40
to 60 hour week are making 50% less
964
:than they did even 20 years ago.
965
:Literally, legitimately in
each other, their households.
966
:And then also with the, in that same
chart, you would see that it is now it's I
967
:think 57 or 59% of the country, 59, 50 9%
of the country lives paycheck to paycheck.
968
:That is the worst it's been
in since the Great Depression.
969
:So that's the chart I want them to see.
970
:Jerremy: Okay.
971
:Thank you.
972
:Thank you for sharing that.
973
:After leaving Congress, you went
straight into running little city.
974
:What's the biggest lesson from
that transition that you wish
975
:more elected officials understood
about turning policy into real?
976
:Marie Newman: I really enjoyed that job.
977
:I only did it for about a year because
we went in and they had some budgetary
978
:crisis that I resolved and then some
systemic and then they didn't have any
979
:branding, what I learned because there,
there's a professional learning and
980
:then there's a policy learning policy.
981
:Was that people that are in government
so can be so helpful in helping
982
:other folks understand policy.
983
:So everybody from families of
those that are being served,
984
:those that are being served.
985
:The public rich writ large.
986
:And then government.
987
:So you can be very powerful as a
CEO or an executive in a nonprofit
988
:because you have this knowledge.
989
:And I had the crazy benefit and honor of
being in business, nonprofits, government,
990
:then going to a large nonprofit.
991
:So I was cra I was so blessed
to have that knowledge.
992
:But then what you learn is I will tell
both of you, and this is a I tell this
993
:to people all the time, so it's not
news, is that I'm addicted to learning.
994
:And
995
:so once I learned everything and solved
a bunch of problems, I was like, I'm
996
:a little bored, so I'm a little bored.
997
:So then I moved on.
998
:But great place and great opportunity.
999
:Former government officials
have a lot to offer too.
:
00:47:04,976 --> 00:47:05,646
Nonprofits.
:
00:47:06,646 --> 00:47:06,916
Jerremy: that.
:
00:47:07,216 --> 00:47:07,966
Love that.
:
00:47:08,026 --> 00:47:11,516
Thank you so much for sharing, and
we really appreciate your time.
:
00:47:11,516 --> 00:47:14,486
This has been a true pleasure
to, for me, Congresswoman.
:
00:47:14,546 --> 00:47:20,366
It's so lovely and bright to see
someone who is sassy and fun, but
:
00:47:20,366 --> 00:47:22,826
also incredibly smart and motivated
:
00:47:22,915 --> 00:47:23,485
Marie Newman: Oh, aren't you
:
00:47:23,486 --> 00:47:24,206
Jerremy: and aware.
:
00:47:24,415 --> 00:47:25,585
Marie Newman: Oh, I'll
just stay here every day.
:
00:47:25,585 --> 00:47:26,575
You guys are so nice.
:
00:47:26,676 --> 00:47:27,336
Jerremy: We can.
:
00:47:27,396 --> 00:47:28,776
I heard you mentioned Substack.
:
00:47:28,776 --> 00:47:29,796
I'm also on Substack.
:
00:47:29,796 --> 00:47:31,146
I would love to follow you.
:
00:47:31,176 --> 00:47:34,626
Can you promote or share something
with our listeners on how they
:
00:47:34,626 --> 00:47:35,946
can stay involved with your work?
:
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:37,100
Marie Newman: You're so kind.
:
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,720
So my substack is easy.
:
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,830
It's Marie Newman on Substack, and
it's called Marie Newman Studio.
:
00:47:41,830 --> 00:47:45,500
But you can, if you throw in the
my name and the search bar which is
:
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:48,830
Marie Newman, you'll get on Substack,
you'll get to my Substack right away
:
00:47:49,071 --> 00:47:49,581
Jerremy: Perfect.
:
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,500
Marie Newman: And Jerremy, tell me yours.
:
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,660
Jerremy: The Wealth Alchemist, same thing.
:
00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:56,700
You can just type it in
there and it'll pop up.
:
00:47:57,089 --> 00:47:58,019
Marie Newman: Okay, I'm on.
:
00:47:58,019 --> 00:47:58,229
You
:
00:47:58,740 --> 00:47:59,190
Jerremy: Yep.
:
00:48:00,190 --> 00:48:00,610
Marie Newman: Got it.
:
00:48:01,196 --> 00:48:01,886
Jerremy: Beautiful.
:
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,480
Marie Newman: yeah, and we maybe
we'll do a collab one time.
:
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,250
We'll write something
together on the income gap.
:
00:48:06,486 --> 00:48:07,236
Jerremy: That's gonna happen.
:
00:48:07,296 --> 00:48:08,706
That's 100% going to occur.
:
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:09,890
Marie Newman: Fantastic.
:
00:48:09,906 --> 00:48:10,296
Jerremy: Yeah.
:
00:48:10,346 --> 00:48:11,126
Thank you so much Dave.
:
00:48:11,126 --> 00:48:11,846
Anything else?
:
00:48:12,188 --> 00:48:13,533
Dave: No, this was fantastic.
:
00:48:13,533 --> 00:48:13,773
Thank
:
00:48:14,006 --> 00:48:14,516
Jerremy: So
:
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,280
Marie Newman: Oh my gosh.
:
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,940
And thank you for all that you do and
keep talking about all the tough topics.
:
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:21,500
And glad to help if I can
be supportive in any way.
:
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:22,970
So thank you to all your listeners.
:
00:48:23,406 --> 00:48:24,306
Jerremy: Yes, absolutely.
:
00:48:24,306 --> 00:48:25,116
Thank you so much.
:
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:26,030
Marie Newman: Okay, take care.
:
00:48:27,481 --> 00:48:27,961
Dave: Wow.
:
00:48:28,021 --> 00:48:30,001
White House Congress.
:
00:48:30,061 --> 00:48:31,111
I think we're moving up in the world.
:
00:48:31,161 --> 00:48:33,201
Jerremy: We're moving up my man.
:
00:48:34,201 --> 00:48:35,731
Yeah, we're moving up.
:
00:48:35,731 --> 00:48:36,451
Makes me happy.
:
00:48:36,451 --> 00:48:36,721
It's good.
:
00:48:37,721 --> 00:48:38,411
Dave: So what'd you learn?
:
00:48:39,411 --> 00:48:42,721
Jerremy: I learned that you and
I are not as altruistically crazy
:
00:48:42,721 --> 00:48:44,041
as some people might think we are.
:
00:48:45,041 --> 00:48:47,601
We gotta take money out of politics, man.
:
00:48:48,171 --> 00:48:52,731
That's that's what's all stemming
from, going down that ginormous list
:
00:48:53,361 --> 00:48:56,596
because I didn't wanna derail the
conversation too much and it did end
:
00:48:56,596 --> 00:48:58,336
up happening because it was like.
:
00:48:59,041 --> 00:49:05,101
Here's all the ways that every,
she said everyone, right?
:
00:49:05,201 --> 00:49:13,101
Everyone in Congress is receiving money
from all different types of organizations,
:
00:49:13,101 --> 00:49:16,671
and the NRA is absolutely one of them, is
stuffing the pockets of tons of people.
:
00:49:16,671 --> 00:49:20,391
And so if there's not something that
should be getting passed that we all
:
00:49:20,391 --> 00:49:22,521
believe that should be getting passed,
the reason it's not getting passed
:
00:49:22,521 --> 00:49:23,386
is because there's money behind it.
:
00:49:24,277 --> 00:49:24,607
Dave: Yeah.
:
00:49:25,607 --> 00:49:26,327
Jerremy: That's what I heard.
:
00:49:26,597 --> 00:49:27,317
That's what I learned.
:
00:49:27,367 --> 00:49:32,307
And I knew that was obviously there,
but I didn't, everyone, dude it's
:
00:49:32,307 --> 00:49:35,157
just this is, everyone's getting
money, everyone's getting paid.
:
00:49:35,593 --> 00:49:37,633
Take our money, don't vote,
don't make any changes, please.
:
00:49:38,129 --> 00:49:38,369
Dave: Yeah,
:
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,799
And raise money on the other side of it.
:
00:49:40,913 --> 00:49:41,783
Jerremy: Exactly.
:
00:49:41,813 --> 00:49:42,443
Exactly.
:
00:49:42,443 --> 00:49:45,883
And then, man, I liked how she
said I'm a raging Democrat.
:
00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:47,593
I like that a lot
:
00:49:47,983 --> 00:49:53,943
because she is, and she, and it's
really refreshing because I like I
:
00:49:53,943 --> 00:49:58,093
like understanding and just sensing
where she's at and it's, I like
:
00:49:58,093 --> 00:50:03,663
hearing the perspective from the
democratic viewpoint because so many
:
00:50:03,663 --> 00:50:05,853
of, so much of my feed and news.
:
00:50:06,273 --> 00:50:10,533
That's thrown at me is so conservative in
:
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:12,473
nature and is so Republican in nature.
:
00:50:12,833 --> 00:50:19,363
And so I, I really do respect hearing
both sides and for her to address the big
:
00:50:20,363 --> 00:50:24,843
notion that our defense bills weight, our
defense bill is way our defense spending.
:
00:50:24,843 --> 00:50:26,588
Department of Defense is way too high.
:
00:50:27,438 --> 00:50:32,608
Way too high, and you could take a
hundred billion of that and spread out
:
00:50:32,608 --> 00:50:34,258
and solve pretty much almost anything.
:
00:50:34,858 --> 00:50:36,148
I was over there like that.
:
00:50:36,628 --> 00:50:37,888
Does that make me a Democrat?
:
00:50:38,888 --> 00:50:41,408
Dave: I think we represent, right?
:
00:50:41,458 --> 00:50:45,258
We represent the unanswered middle,
a little bit right of center, a
:
00:50:45,258 --> 00:50:47,478
little bit left of center, but
it depends on the issue, right?
:
00:50:47,528 --> 00:50:53,318
I can be a Trump MAGA person on some
issues and I can be a communist on others.
:
00:50:53,318 --> 00:50:55,038
Like it's, how America works.
:
00:50:56,038 --> 00:50:57,118
I don't know about this one.
:
00:50:57,148 --> 00:50:58,828
I love Congressman Newman.
:
00:50:58,828 --> 00:51:00,538
I thought this was a
fantastic conversation.
:
00:51:00,538 --> 00:51:02,778
I want to have her on every time we're on
:
00:51:03,438 --> 00:51:03,648
Jerremy: Yeah.
:
00:51:03,648 --> 00:51:04,248
exactly.
:
00:51:05,134 --> 00:51:09,454
Dave: and this I feel like we I, and
I also love that we went off, went off
:
00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:11,644
into the world of politics because.
:
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,679
So much of our politics
feels so anti-democratic.
:
00:51:15,769 --> 00:51:18,849
See, it feels, again, back
to my term, anti-human.
:
00:51:18,919 --> 00:51:22,629
Like the vast majority of people
are saying, fix our healthcare and
:
00:51:22,629 --> 00:51:24,919
nothing's happening and, fix violence.
:
00:51:24,919 --> 00:51:25,639
Nothing's happening.
:
00:51:25,909 --> 00:51:27,649
We're spending too much money on defense.
:
00:51:27,649 --> 00:51:28,459
Nothing's happening.
:
00:51:28,459 --> 00:51:29,029
It's going up.
:
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:33,079
So we, we heard it in our voting
reform that all of these, all of our
:
00:51:33,319 --> 00:51:36,799
Congress people are picked at the
primary, by a few thousand people,
:
00:51:36,799 --> 00:51:38,449
and then it's just flooding money.
:
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:41,299
So there's a little bit of part
of me that it's like getting
:
00:51:41,299 --> 00:51:42,559
a little black pilled on this.
:
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:47,749
It's oh, we have the illusion of
democracy Now, saying that when we talk
:
00:51:47,749 --> 00:51:53,449
about solutions, I do keep on coming
back to suicides as being fundamental
:
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,739
and 50 zip codes being fundamental.
:
00:51:58,374 --> 00:52:03,204
And if we learned anything from
Trump is that simple matters.
:
00:52:03,259 --> 00:52:08,089
And it also Bernie Sanders, like
he's speaks very plainly, very
:
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:11,599
simply and straightforward so
that everybody can understand it.
:
00:52:12,439 --> 00:52:17,119
And I believe future leadership
like yourself is making
:
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,039
this, just powerfully simple.
:
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:20,659
It's like we're just gonna solve suicides.
:
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:24,259
And then with that you get
all the gun stuff right, or
:
00:52:24,259 --> 00:52:25,459
we are just going to solve.
:
00:52:26,209 --> 00:52:28,369
Youth violence in these 50 zip codes.
:
00:52:28,369 --> 00:52:30,909
And that's gonna solve
a, another ton of this.
:
00:52:30,969 --> 00:52:36,489
So attacking this indirectly, because
as soon as we get into seizing all
:
00:52:36,489 --> 00:52:37,809
the guns, now she didn't say that.
:
00:52:37,869 --> 00:52:42,469
But, as soon as we get into this
world of education, which I love as
:
00:52:42,469 --> 00:52:45,229
soon as we get into waiting periods
and red flag laws and all of that.
:
00:52:46,229 --> 00:52:49,859
Where I've seen the Democrats really
falter is that they're too smart and
:
00:52:49,859 --> 00:52:54,404
they're over overcomplicating this,
and it doesn't resonate with 300
:
00:52:54,404 --> 00:52:58,799
million Americans when we can say,
look, we're just gonna solve suicides.
:
00:52:59,189 --> 00:53:02,469
And that's where the veterans,
or we're gonna solve, we're gonna
:
00:53:02,469 --> 00:53:04,839
make our cities not suck, right?
:
00:53:05,169 --> 00:53:08,029
Like those two phrases would
resonate with everybody.
:
00:53:08,149 --> 00:53:10,429
And with that you get gun violence solved.
:
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:14,224
That's, so that's, what I
heard was a little bit of, I
:
00:53:15,224 --> 00:53:16,064
dunno, that's what I heard.
:
00:53:17,064 --> 00:53:17,814
That's what I learned.
:
00:53:18,263 --> 00:53:18,773
Jerremy: Yeah.
:
00:53:18,863 --> 00:53:19,253
Yeah.
:
00:53:19,744 --> 00:53:20,434
Dave: Does that make sense?
:
00:53:20,803 --> 00:53:26,208
Jerremy: It does and I think
ultimately what we also learned
:
00:53:26,988 --> 00:53:31,308
and are continuing to learn, but
the big portion of it certainly is.
:
00:53:32,308 --> 00:53:36,398
The gun debate is very well funded.
:
00:53:37,398 --> 00:53:42,678
I did love love, love how our
girl Maria's bro, love guns.
:
00:53:42,738 --> 00:53:43,518
They're awesome.
:
00:53:43,728 --> 00:53:43,998
So
:
00:53:43,998 --> 00:53:44,478
cool.
:
00:53:45,378 --> 00:53:46,248
Let's have all of them.
:
00:53:47,248 --> 00:53:49,723
Let's do all, let's do
all the things, right?
:
00:53:49,773 --> 00:53:51,763
Should we have assault, assault weapons?
:
00:53:51,763 --> 00:53:52,333
Probably not.
:
00:53:52,453 --> 00:53:55,123
Not a huge need for those,
but you wanna go hunt great.
:
00:53:55,183 --> 00:53:55,573
Incredible.
:
00:53:55,573 --> 00:53:57,313
You wanna go shoot some at a range.
:
00:53:57,373 --> 00:53:57,823
Awesome.
:
00:53:58,823 --> 00:54:01,463
But mentally, are you
healthy enough to have a gun?
:
00:54:01,793 --> 00:54:02,123
I mean that,
:
00:54:02,123 --> 00:54:03,293
that's really what I heard her say.
:
00:54:04,013 --> 00:54:11,948
And man, I think the real topic
there, probably like deep under
:
00:54:11,948 --> 00:54:16,358
arching is like, are you mentally
healthy enough to do insert anything?
:
00:54:17,358 --> 00:54:19,488
Dave: I think that would
probably outlaw all of us.
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Really.
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Jerremy: Ki
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kind
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Dave: I don't know if I'm mentally
healthy for this podcast sometimes.
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No podcast for you, Dave.
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Jerremy: yeah, no podcast for you,
but you're not, you can't physically
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hurt anybody with this either.
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Geez, man, like ul ultimately,
yeah, that, that's a big one.
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That was a very obvious.
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Can we have, is there a mental
health protocol that we can have
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people go through that we can
have people check in that we can?
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Oh man.
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I'm just trying to think of
if Universal healthcare would
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actually would solve that problem.
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Because I don't think it, I don't
know if it would like it because
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the veterans that I know that have
faced and struggle with suicide are
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too proud to go to the VA anyway.
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Or to get care or, so it's probably,
it probably starts earlier than that.
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Again, obviously I know that
there's no perfect press this
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button and all problems are solved.
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But ultimately it just seems to me
like there's an in-depth conversation
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that happened at an earlier place,
an earlier stage in someone's life.
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Where they know that,
number one, it's okay.
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And then number two, they have the
resources and it's available to them.
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'Cause reality man, again, like
she mentioned, Tricare a bunch.
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Like I, I have 412 very close.
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Friends that are all veterans
and dude, they got awesome care.
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Like they can go essentially into
all, any va they can do anything
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tomorrow and it's taken care of
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medically if they want to.
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And the question is, will they now
granted, will they get prescribed pills?
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Maybe are they gonna be
prescribed holistic things?
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Probably not, but that really is the
medical health system of the us, right?
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If you go in and they're, you're gonna
get treated for a common cold, they're
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gonna give you a Zack, they're, they're
not gonna give you garlic or whatever.
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Yeah, man it's just, it is, it's
an interesting viewpoint, the
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mental health of having a gun.
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Dave: Back to your favorite topic,
I we talked about a lot of solutions
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that are way down the road, right?
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These are for adults and these are
focusing on the problems we already have.
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And, certainly education
being a huge component of,
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but again, that's for adults.
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And we've heard over and over
again how our education system has.
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Taking opportunities out of the hands
of our children, like they're not
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getting resources, they're not, they're
not learning emotional regulation.
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They're not learning how to deal
with problems interpersonally.
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And, that's leading to
violence in our youth.
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And despondency and I get back
to certainly look healthy.
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People don't shoot other people.
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And it's really at our, it's,
we're doing a huge disservice to
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our kids and we keep on doing it.
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It's that's where, and this is a
generational thing, so I think getting
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some social media out of the hands
of our, and oh, that was my point.
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And it's young boys, like girls
are not shooting each other.
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Young boys are.
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And the men who are veterans, I
don't think that's selection bias
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of just that most men are veterans.
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I think it's that they're men again.
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So bit of we've done a big disservice
by, not by focusing on other people,
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but focusing on other populations
at the exclusion of young men.
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And I keep coming back to this as a topic.
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What do you, what are
your thoughts on that?
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Education.
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Education around our young boys.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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That's what needs to change, man.
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That's it.
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Because me knowing again, the veteran
community very well, the majority of
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individuals that become veterans or
sorry, I should say that join, is because
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they don't know anything else to do
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initially.
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They're like, what else do I do?
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I don't know.
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I'm just gonna do this.
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And it has a good,
reward system at the end.
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You get all these benefits, you get all
these opportunities, you can do all these
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things and then they enter this global
workforce taskforce watchdog that is gonna
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send them all over the place just because.
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Whoever is the current president wants
them to do whatever the president
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wants them to do for whatever power
he wants for this country to have.
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And it's almost like if, would they
have made the choice to become a
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veteran if there was, or, to become
an active military participant.
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If there was a different alternative
or different choice or something
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that they were definitely aware of
that they would've learned through
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a better educational system.
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And maybe yes, maybe no.
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And then at the same time, like from the
ground, from the top down, do we go to
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war as quickly or do we solve problems as
quickly as we solve them with violence?
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If there's other.
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Thoughts or perspectives or awarenesses
or alternative solutions that have
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been pondered over for a longer
period of time, other than just seeing
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it from a lens of rage and anger.
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Are there other ways to solve these
problems that does not involve military?
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So there's tons and tons
of questions for sure.
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Always be muddling over, but I do
believe vhe and inherently that.
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Knowing my personal bout with anger and
rage and frustration in my life as a
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young male and knowing how to not only
take it out safely and non-threatening
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ways, but to do it and to heal and to come
into a place where I know how to channel
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certain whatever rage moments that I have
so that it doesn't hurt anyone at all.
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And feel better and to heal
both internally and externally.
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That's something that needs to be taught
and needs to be taught in a large way.
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And I absolutely agree that
it is a huge shift to take a
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stepping stone towards finding.
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Very direct ways for both men and
women, but for sure men to heal.
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And to come to a place of alignment
and to purpose and to spiritual
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enlightenment so that they don't have
to create so much chaos and animosity.
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Dave: Love it.
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