Episode 152

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29th Dec 2025

Immigration Flip: Crisis to $8.9T Opportunity (Full)

Jerremy and Dave just dropped the red pill on immigration. Immigrants aren’t “taking” anything—they’ve pumped $8.9 trillion into GDP while America sits on enough empty land to give every person on the planet acres. The real scandal? Politicians weaponize “illegal” to protect human trafficking rings and cheap labor scams. Turns out the system isn’t broken—it’s working exactly how the powerful want. Fixing it is stupid-simple and way faster than DC admits. This episode will wreck your brain in the best way.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) Immigration – straight into the fire
  • (01:01) Introduction and Excitement – why this episode hits different
  • (01:58) Personal Perspective Shifts – how Jerremy and Dave changed their own minds
  • (03:02) $8.9 Trillion Economic Bomb – the stat no one wants you to see
  • (05:05) Real Challenges, Real Fixes – it’s simpler than they say
  • (07:09) Political & Legal Mess – who actually benefits from chaos
  • (13:04) Job Competition Myths – downturn truth bombs
  • (16:10) Abundance Mindset Unlock – land for literally everyone
  • (26:59) Settlers vs Immigrants History – we’ve done this before
  • (29:35) Cultural Unity – melting pot or salad bowl?
  • (31:28) Speed Up Legal Immigration – why it’s embarrassingly easy
  • (38:35) What Makes Immigrants Great – raw definition
  • (48:16) Patriotism & New Americans – love it or leave it?
  • (50:40) Human Trafficking Exposed – “illegal” as the perfect shield
  • (54:05) Final Reflections – next topics teased

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Transcript
Alex:

On this wrap-up of Solving America’s Problems’ longest series yet — Jerremy

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and Dave just admitted something wild.

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Dave walked in thinking illegal immigration was the core problem,

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deportations were mostly fine, and the whole thing felt like

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another messy American headache.

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[thoughtful] Then the numbers hit: immigrants have already pumped 8.9

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TRILLION dollars into U.S. GDP — that’s roughly 30% of the entire economy

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— while filling jobs nobody else wants.

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[exhales sharply] Jerremy dropped an even bigger one: the U.S. has

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enough empty land to give every single human on Earth multiple

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acres and still have room left over.

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Both hosts ended up flipped — arguing the real scandal isn’t people coming,

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it’s a broken political class that’s left four million cases rotting in limbo

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for decades and turned “illegal” into a shield for actual human trafficking.

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They closed the series claiming the fix is simpler, faster, and way more

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pro-America than anyone’s admitting…

Jerremy:

Dave, we're bringing the heat.

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Oh my goodness.

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You know what I'm excited about, man?

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Mo.

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Tons of things.

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One of them being we're over 100 episodes in and now we get to discuss

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and talk about Immigration Nation.

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What did we learn?

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Which is so far been everyone's favorite, right?

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Once we go through something, we deep dive, we have interviews, discussions,

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chats, breakthroughs, monumental awakenings, paradigm shifts, and then we

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wrap it all together on what do we learn, and that's where we're at right now.

Dave:

This has also been our longest series.

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Like I have learned all the different topics we've done.

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I mean, I've loved every single one of them.

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And you were like, let's do immigration.

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I went like, oh, okay.

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How are we gonna approach this?

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That's a hot topic.

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Let's do it.

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And in all the topics,

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school shootings and

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Actually, I think you said, oh, no one's gonna get

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offended by anything we discussed, then it's gonna be perfectly fine.

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this has been fun.

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And I feel changed from it.

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So I think this is, what did we learn?

Dave:

I learned a lot.

Jerremy:

That's cool.

Jerremy:

So for a moment, when you say you felt change tell me

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a little bit more about that.

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What does that mean, or how does that resonate with you and

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Where do you feel that shift?

Dave:

I think coming into this, I came in with a certain amount of, yeah.

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Illegal immigration, bad.

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Yeah.

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I'm okay with deportations, but you know, how it's happening now is just barbaric.

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And immigrants, you know, is it really good?

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You know, like, immigration very confused, right?

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It's like, uh, immigration is good.

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And I was sort of a mixed bag on it.

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But also growing up in a very diverse, immigrant rich world, it's like, I

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don't have anything against this.

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I just saw it as a problem.

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Yet another American problem is immigration.

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And then really hearing, well, it's a problem of our own

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making like so many things.

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It's a problem of our political class, and how that's failing us.

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It's.

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A problem of perception more than anything.

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And I came out with a couple of things that I think really shifted me,

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which was, this is such an economic problem in so many different ways

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and can be solved economically.

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When we take the word illegal out of this discussion and put in economic

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prosperity and drive this through what everybody's doing, which is they're

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coming here, they're working, they're contributing to society, and let's take

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the illegal legal thing out of this.

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Let's simplify this.

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Let's make this about great jobs and great families.

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English is really important.

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That came up so many times.

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It almost sounded a little bit, I don't know if racist is the right word,

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it sounded a little bit like Oggie.

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But then when you talk to a bunch of immigrants and second and third

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generation immigrants, they're like, oh no, English was clutch.

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And America is so good about immigration integration.

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Wow.

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I'll say that five times.

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And the big key thing for everyone we talked to was like,

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oh, English was the thing.

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Like my parents, they wouldn't allow us to speak any other language.

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And in a way I thought about like, my father.

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My father came from the south, and when he moved to Washington

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DC he forced his accent out.

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And because if you're from the south and you have an accent, you're

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immediately thought of as stupid.

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And I think same, same in this world, which is if you don't have command of the

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English language, you're seen as foreign.

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Even if you've been here 40 years, you know, even if you've lived here

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longer than you have anywhere else, if you don't have command of the English

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language, then you're seen as, as other, as less than or from somewhere else.

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And no matter what you look like, where you come from, what you do, but

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if you have command of the English language, it's like, oh, welcome.

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So that was a couple of things for me.

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What was, what are some, some highlights for you?

Jerremy:

Highlights, number one, having just really good conversations with

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people that, number one, really care about the topic, but also number two,

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they have a lot of information about it.

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We

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had tons of really unique characters in this go around with different opinions.

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We got a nice little fight.

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We got left, we got right, we got some excitement there, which I really enjoyed.

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And also we're coming up with just some general Hey, this is what is working.

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This is what can work.

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This is what should work.

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This is a problem.

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AKA paperwork, lawyers fees,

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lines, and here's some solutions.

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And they were pretty fast.

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Like we had a lot of really great, let's implement this as quick as possible.

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'cause it really wouldn't be that challenging, wouldn't be that hard.

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And one of the things I never really sat

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down and really looked at or studied probably would be that how

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immigration does drive us economic

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growth, right?

Jerremy:

Adding 8.9 trillion to the gross domestic product and filling vital labor gaps.

Jerremy:

I think me just really seeing that from a, how much is the impact maybe, or

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for whatever particular reason, I just didn't notice or know how large it would

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be or should be, or could be or was.

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And to see a, 8.9 trillion if our annual gross domestic has called 25,

Jerremy:

so we're at 30%.

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That's massive.

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And then we had a lot of distinction in different types of immigrants

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and learning about their battles and their choices, right?

Jerremy:

We had people that do not live here, that just work

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here, that still can't get citizenship that really want to, but they live in the

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us.

Jerremy:

We have people that don't work here at all that do wanna come here.

Jerremy:

And they have a hard time.

Jerremy:

We have people that come here illegally and then they get a job, somehow get paid

Jerremy:

in cash and can't get, become a citizen.

Jerremy:

And then we have people that are like, oh, you have a bunch of money come on in.

Jerremy:

I think all of our listeners know my ultimate objective of this entire podcast

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and this entire process is to just really have a great grasp on not only

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the problems, but most importantly the solutions as I run for President 2032.

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And I really believe that there should be and could be a more focused

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approach on individual government sections articles, processes that

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do not rely on one sole individual, which to date has been an old white

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man dictating how immigration happens.

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And that's what's been.

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Forever obviously, right?

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You have the deporter in chief, the one non-white old man, but still

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everything rested on his shoulders and was kicking people out left

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and right, and somehow the media portrayed him as the coolest guy ever.

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Nicest, kindest human being of all time, which is cool.

Jerremy:

That's probably a whole other subject, but that's the thing I learned, man.

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I do not believe in my heart of hearts that the immigration decisions should

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rest, which where they do now really in the lap of one person, which is the

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president, and that just seems like a little too much immediate divisive power

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to

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me.

Dave:

there is a news story that's making the rounds right now, actually,

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and it came out of some tragedy here in Florida where I'll just, I'll use

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the language of, the news people.

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An illegal alien who was driving a tractor trailer, made an illegal

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U-turn and killed three people and

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And they are

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Losing their, losing their

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minds.

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I'm trying to think of a good verb.

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Losing their minds.

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Guy comes over from I think he's Indian national

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uh, quote unquote illegally.

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I don't even know how, he came into the United States.

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He got some sort of status under Obama and in California he qualified

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for a commercial driver's license.

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Okay, fine.

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And then Trump comes in changes, it puts him on deportation like quick

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deportation started that process.

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Biden comes in and this guy applies for amnesty and is granted it.

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Except the deportation law was still in place.

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And then the Trump administration comes back in and says, this

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guy couldn't speak English.

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We've already changed.

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You know, we did an executive order on that, on English language.

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And he can't even identify, road signs.

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So I heard all of this and I went, okay, this actually typifies exactly,

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I mean, this is exactly the issue, which is this guy for nine years has,

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been wrapped around the axle from one administration to the next administration,

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to the next administration, to the current administration, four different

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administrations, and in nine years.

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And this guy has been told.

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he got a commercial driver's license, and he killed a bunch of people.

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Now, here's the thing, if we took the fact out of this that he was quote

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unquote illegal, the real problem here is the state of California.

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Like, who is handing out commercial driver's licenses?

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Somebody you can't drive.

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I mean, that's what it gets down to it.

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The legal illegal thing is sort of irrelevant, except it's telling me

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that this cannot be with one person.

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Like, we need to actually change the laws.

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I don't understand any of this.

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Right?

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Like I, when it gets down to it, our political class has failed us.

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My question is why, you know, like when we talk to Melissa.

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She was like, look, this is bonkers.

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You know, like I'm printing things out and they're scanning them in

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and I'm faxing, you know, like it was outta the eighties, and the

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laws haven't changed much since 86.

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And she said the laws that are there are basically either special

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interest or a patchwork of stuff that was valid 50 years ago.

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But you know, now in the 21st century, it makes zero sense.

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So it's like, why is it in the best interest of our legislature to do nothing?

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That's the part where I don't get it.

Dave:

I dunno, is it the same thing with healthcare and all the other things

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that actually matter to people is like, ah, they're not getting paid to do it.

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Nobody's paying our legislatures.

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Like they, they don't.

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They're not being paid enough money by some weird special

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interest to do something.

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If this actually had something to do with national security and just

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being sponsored by some other country, it'd probably be done in 15 minutes.

Dave:

Right?

Jerremy:

It would be, that's exactly correct.

Jerremy:

And that could be a solution right there.

Jerremy:

Hey, if you would've come here in this country your country needs to pay for it.

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All

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All you need

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to do is have a check written by your country and you can come right on

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over.

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But I think

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that's

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Let's talk a little bit about the economic stuff.

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Like you mentioned trillions of dollars.

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I still can't even imagine what a trillion dollars is.

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It's a lot, and then I also think about how gummed up this process

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is 4 million pending court cases.

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Is it, what's the phrase?

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It's, uh, justice delayed Is justice denied 4 million cases.

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That's ridiculous.

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people are going to be in these situations for decades, and in the

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meantime, they're gonna have families, they're gonna establish themselves,

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and then at the end of this process, they're gonna actually show up to

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some sort of court case and somebody's gonna throw 'em outta the country.

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I think what I'm, I. Our big, fight that we had, a lot of it was economic

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based, you know, like immigrants are taking our jobs and we've dispelled

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that in fact, one of the things that we talked about with Melissa was it's

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like, we also need to change the Visa program where, yeah, you can get a PhD in

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mathematics here, but if you need somebody to turn a wrench or to sell something

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or to start a business, good luck.

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They're never gonna get into the country.

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I think my question to you is, what happens when there's an economic

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downturn in the United States?

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Because there is going to be, like it's not always up, but what

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happens when things go down and when people get into a scarcity mindset,

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when there is competition for jobs, do you think that will turn.

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Even uglier for immigrants,

Jerremy:

Oh yeah.

Jerremy:

I can't have someone say they took our jobs without thinking about the South

Jerremy:

Park episode because they did that

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two decades ago.

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They took her and they just kept going and going and it's really

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this fallacy I shouldn't say it's a fallacy, it's a mindset.

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It's a belief.

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My opinion, I live more and what I think is an abundance mindset.

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And then you have other people that are gonna live in more of a scarcity mindset.

Jerremy:

And the scarcity mindset is there'll never be enough jobs.

Jerremy:

And we have a limited amount and we're

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gonna run out.

Jerremy:

But the thought process there is if you study more history and

Jerremy:

you talk about the industrial revolution changes all jobs, right?

Jerremy:

Like in the 1890s, 99% of every job that existed was

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agrarian.

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Meaning it had something to do with food or land, or growing something, right?

Jerremy:

It was agricultural based, 99%.

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And so now today, it's less

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than 1%.

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So no one's growing

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shit, no one cares, right?

Jerremy:

We got seven

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farmers on

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this

Dave:

I think one of 'em is Bill Gates, right?

Dave:

Doesn't he own like a

Dave:

Yeah.

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Tons of

Jerremy:

Bill Gates is the best farmer, and you're correct.

Jerremy:

So less than 1% is agrarian, and now we're all doing

Jerremy:

it stuff.

Jerremy:

Okay?

Jerremy:

So AI comes, immigrants come, all these jobs get displaced,

Jerremy:

taken, removed, and changed.

Jerremy:

What is the entire world gonna do?

Jerremy:

And the answer is we're going to have to adapt to something we always will, right?

Jerremy:

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Jerremy:

When humans sit around with like, how do I make money?

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And that thought comes in your mind every single day,

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you're gonna come up with ways.

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And that's one of the reasons that podcasts blew up.

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And I would say in the two thousands for sure, but definitely 2000

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20 like COVID started happening.

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Everyone's oh yeah, let's do podcasts.

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And I know seven people personally.

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I'm one of them that had a podcast during that time that exploded because it just

Jerremy:

happened to be everyone was listening to podcasts and the good ones took off.

Jerremy:

Alright, that's an example of, hey, let's pick a random person that I know named

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Greg was making $8,000 a year start a podcast, and because of podcasting and

Jerremy:

three businesses that he could spend more time, energy, and effort on, took

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his income from 80,000 to 300,000.

Jerremy:

Now he's employing more people.

Jerremy:

He's paying more taxes.

Jerremy:

All the things happened, all because of podcasting he literally quit his

Jerremy:

job as a police officer and started podcasting and building a business.

Jerremy:

Now he transformed what he did.

Jerremy:

Humans will do that.

Alex:

And this is my abundance mindset, is if a bunch of immigrants come into the us.

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They take all of these jobs, even the ones that hard fought want

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to keep, I wanna keep my job.

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And they take from you.

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That's 'cause they're better than you.

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They thought more,

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Practice more, they cared more.

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Or they're extremely less costly than you are.

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It's one of those factors, right?

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If someone takes your job, it's 'cause you suck at it.

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You're not good at it, you produce, or you're too expensive, meaning you're not

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providing enough revenue or decreasing the cost of whatever job you're enough.

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If you're

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doing one of those two things, you'll keep your job.

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Alright?

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So you get your job taken from an immigrant what do you do?

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Just go create another one.

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That's what you're gonna do.

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Go literally go find another one.

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Go find another business.

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Go find something to create, to build, to make.

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That's what American ingenuity is all about.

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And so that's my theory, dude, is I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

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Like in 50, 60, 80 years from you robots doing everything,

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you have an idealization, and

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I'm going on a tangent, I'm sorry.

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You have an idealization of what some people would call post

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abundance, not post scarcity.

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Maybe it's post scarcity, like after everyone's afraid.

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You have this world where money is easy.

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Yes, inflation is up, but now

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20% of the world is millionaires.

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Now millionaires can't buy as much 'cause inflation's up.

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But you still have a lot more money than you have now, relatively speaking.

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And jobs are faster.

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Everyone's creative.

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They're doing music, they're doing podcasts, they're doing radio.

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People pay for the gig economy.

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This person made me laugh.

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Here's 10 bucks.

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This person made my day easier.

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Here's 10 bucks.

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This person cooked this really cool meal, here's $10.

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And now I have more money because I hired 17 robots to go out and drive my

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Tesla cars and take people everywhere.

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And I got paid a certain amount of money.

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'cause my Tesla's making me money 'cause robot's driving it.

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And I don't have to pay the robot as much money.

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And then, oh, I'm gonna trade the financial markets because I have more

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money and the financial market's going up.

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So now you have more money.

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There's a world that exists out there in my opinion.

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And that's why I wanna lead this into where it's actually easier, it's simpler.

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We make more money, we have more money, we have more opportunities.

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That's for everybody.

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And that's an abundance, like that's an abundance mindset where

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that's where the future is going.

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there's not enough land in the United

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States

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

do anything.

Jerremy:

Pick it.

Jerremy:

You could have every single human being on this.

Jerremy:

live in America,

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

everyone gets three acres.

Jerremy:

Like now you have to spread out evenly, but

Jerremy:

everyone gets three or four acres.

Jerremy:

Everyone has a job and we have plenty of food.

Jerremy:

And then every other land has no one in it, right?

Jerremy:

No one exists.

Jerremy:

Birds run around, fly around.

Jerremy:

There's plenty of land, plenty of animals.

Jerremy:

Everything is a natural preserved park.

Jerremy:

We have that much room in the US and then some.

Jerremy:

That's a lot of room 8 billion people to live in the US no problem.

Jerremy:

You have to spread 'em around, okay?

Jerremy:

They're gonna be a lot of people in Nevada that's not there now.

Jerremy:

You have a lot of people in parts of California, Kansas, Illinois, Texas,

Jerremy:

Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, there's a lot of land out there, man, a lot.

Jerremy:

Now granted the government might have to buy some from some of the private

Jerremy:

landholders, but what I'm kidding at is.

Jerremy:

Maybe.

Jerremy:

I don't think it's a problem.

Jerremy:

I think there's so much to go around and that's my belief, but I think

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mathematically it's provable, right?

Jerremy:

That's what's unique is like we can actually prove it, ultimately we

Jerremy:

have so much available that not only can this country sustain the world,

Jerremy:

but so many other countries that are available can sustain the world.

Jerremy:

We can figure it out and if people are taking all of our jobs in this country

Jerremy:

and no one has a job, the jobs that they took probably produce enough income

Jerremy:

where you could have something because the government's taking care of you.

Jerremy:

I'm not saying that's gonna happen, but that happens for

Jerremy:

a lot of people right now.

Jerremy:

That's the case right now is when you and I create income and we pay a

Jerremy:

tax, they're taking some of our tax

Jerremy:

money to live off on.

Jerremy:

I've never in my life, and I've been as poor as you can grow up in

Jerremy:

the us, didn't have food stamps or any type of government protection.

Jerremy:

I just had to catch fish and eat it.

Jerremy:

And if I didn't catch any fish and eat that day I went to bed hungry.

Jerremy:

Okay, cool.

Jerremy:

Hey good for you.

Jerremy:

So for that to occur, I don't think that's gonna be a problem.

Jerremy:

I think there'll be a pinch in, in the great depression.

Jerremy:

25% of

Jerremy:

people are unemployed.

Jerremy:

Now that sounds like a lot, and

Dave:

Yes,

Jerremy:

but that means 75% of

Jerremy:

people were employed.

Jerremy:

So only a quarter of the people, right?

Jerremy:

One out of four were not employed in the great Depression, in the worst economic

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cycle America has ever seen in 2008.

Jerremy:

And you can fact check me on this, I believe it was only

Jerremy:

15% of people were unemployed.

Jerremy:

That's still not that bad.

Jerremy:

And right now, again, people will, go back and forth on what the numbers are.

Jerremy:

I think CPI is extremely high, although they keep saying it's low.

Jerremy:

What actually is unemployment right now?

Jerremy:

Depending on where you look at, it's around four to 5%.

Jerremy:

So if we have one of the worst economic downturns in history that comes in

Jerremy:

the next two years, which isn't gonna happen, by the way, I don't think it

Jerremy:

happens until 20 29, 20 30 is we'll get up to probably 20%, 25% unemployment.

Jerremy:

And all the jobs that get lost, people can't afford them.

Jerremy:

And then, yeah, immigrants might take them and they're gonna

Jerremy:

work harder, longer for less.

Jerremy:

And if you want a job, you're gonna have to figure out a way to

Jerremy:

create more income, reduce more expenses, and be a better employee.

Jerremy:

And I think that ultimately is the lesson for every single listener here.

Jerremy:

And I think that's just the truth of all business.

Dave:

You know what I'm hearing is that, a lot of our political class,

Dave:

a lot of the people who are in charge of this right now, and a lot of people

Dave:

who are debating it haven't had A bunch of different episodes exploring this.

Dave:

Like we have over the last few weeks to really dig into this from a bunch

Dave:

of different angles that they'll say, we can't do this, or we won't

Dave:

do this, or don't do this because of fear and uncertainty and doubt.

Dave:

And you're saying, Hey, let's flip this frown upside down.

Dave:

Yeah, there's always going to be edge cases, but let's

Dave:

not manage to the edge cases.

Dave:

Let's not manage to the fear, let's not manage it.

Dave:

Like how do we turn this, can't, won't, and don't to can, will

Dave:

and do and doing something is way better than where we are right now.

Dave:

Which is a system that is fundamentally broken.

Dave:

I mean, we got onto a tangent early on on this, which was.

Dave:

Like people are coming here for economic prosperity and that just,

Dave:

that makes people crazy and it makes people delighted at the same time.

Dave:

That was our big debate that we had.

Dave:

And you know, part of that is, is that we've had a foreign policy that

Dave:

has had the American boot on the neck of so many countries for decades.

Dave:

That man, how about we make those countries great again?

Dave:

You know, like, I dunno about you, but uh, like I don't think

Dave:

people want to leave their homes.

Dave:

They're being pushed to leave their homes for some reason.

Dave:

They might be pulled here for a few reasons, but they're leaving for a reason.

Dave:

But if they didn't have to leave, people do wanna stay home.

Dave:

They wanna be in Venezuela or Cuba or Europe or wherever, right?

Dave:

They're coming to America for certain reasons.

Dave:

Maybe it's because of our freedom, which like, yeah, there's a lot of

Dave:

countries where you can't be free.

Dave:

Maybe, uh, it's because of economics and like, yeah, we can do that.

Dave:

We can help other countries do that.

Dave:

So part of that is being the model.

Dave:

Again, part of that is, is stop screwing around with other countries.

Dave:

Some of that is, uh, being admired.

Dave:

Again, I don't think America's very admired.

Dave:

But I, that was I think our big debate, with David and Steven, which

Dave:

is that, you know, fundamentally, uh, you know, like David was in that world

Dave:

of, you know, really looking at, well, it's legal versus illegal, right?

Dave:

And we need to have more legal pathways.

Dave:

And Steven was like, Hey, this is all economics and there are no legal pathways,

Jerremy:

correct.

Jerremy:

And it's 12 on a statement I made earlier, 2.26 billion acres in the us.

Jerremy:

So if you have 9 billion people, that's about a quarter of an acre per person.

Jerremy:

So not three acres.

Jerremy:

But saying that to say, yeah, if we have that type of room, we have that

Jerremy:

type of awareness, we have that type of understanding, we have that type of

Jerremy:

size because that's just a math fact.

Jerremy:

If people come over, they want economic prosperity.

Jerremy:

We do have that in this country.

Jerremy:

We have established and we are young enough and we have

Jerremy:

enough size and resources.

Jerremy:

One of the best books that I've ever read that you told me to read

Jerremy:

was Accidental Superpower.

Jerremy:

And as I was listening to this, I'm like, this is just such a fascinating topic.

Jerremy:

Like we have so much

Dave:

It's

Jerremy:

in the US as

Jerremy:

far as resources go, just a massive everything in droves.

Jerremy:

So as I think about this, I'm over here listening to this book

Jerremy:

yeah, I think we have plenty.

Jerremy:

So to your point, man, when people come over here, they really do want to come

Jerremy:

because they are going to have so much

Dave:

Oh

Jerremy:

And I fully believe in the more begets more, is it more income?

Jerremy:

Is it more money?

Jerremy:

Is it more opportunity?

Jerremy:

Is it more to focus on the negative?

Jerremy:

Is it more drugs?

Jerremy:

Is it more murders?

Jerremy:

Sure.

Jerremy:

With more people you have more, with more of anything, you're gonna have more.

Jerremy:

So you just need to have some ultimate way to Yes of course, protect.

Jerremy:

We had our entire discussion on police and

Jerremy:

police reform, but I still think, man, when you start talking

Jerremy:

about, oh, everyone's bad that's coming into this border, like

Jerremy:

that's just such an Erroneously incorrect statement, like you take

Jerremy:

a hundred people off the street mathematically, it's like 1%

Jerremy:

or less are the negatives.

Jerremy:

It's the people that really wanna do harm, that wanna hurt other people that

Jerremy:

just aren't quote unquote, what most people would consider a great person.

Jerremy:

It's less than 1%.

Jerremy:

And for immigrants, it's the exact same thing.

Jerremy:

It's such a small number that are not bringing greatness over here.

Jerremy:

Most people want greatness.

Jerremy:

And again of course, just my opinion, my beliefs.

Jerremy:

But that particular episode was really fun and fiery and exciting

Jerremy:

because David and Steve, like they were just to total polar opposites

Jerremy:

on the spectrum of the belief system.

Jerremy:

And that's good because from both of those perspectives, I got a lot,

Jerremy:

I got actually re-fired up about.

Jerremy:

We should

Jerremy:

have a lot of immigrants come in here.

Jerremy:

Like even though the US wasn't founded by immigrants, I actually said that

Jerremy:

a couple times in a couple episodes.

Jerremy:

I mistakenly apologize for that.

Jerremy:

It was founded by settlers.

Jerremy:

And those are, that's a

Dave:

Ooh, tell me what, tell me.

Dave:

I want to, I wanna learn this.

Dave:

What's a settler?

Jerremy:

so a settler is, I

Jerremy:

don't wanna live here anymore.

Jerremy:

I'm choosing to go somewhere else and we're gonna go somewhere

Jerremy:

that most likely doesn't have a lot of civilization and we're

Jerremy:

gonna go build our life there.

Jerremy:

Versus I know this place exists and they're amazing.

Jerremy:

I'm gonna infiltrate that place and try to live there.

Jerremy:

That's already

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built.

Jerremy:

Infiltrate

Jerremy:

using the word loosely.

Dave:

Settlers.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

And so settlers is Hey listen, if you are there and we don't like

Jerremy:

you, we're probably gonna murder

Jerremy:

you.

Dave:

God.

Jerremy:

Dude, that is a

Jerremy:

distinction, Dave, that so many people love to

Jerremy:

just gloss

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over

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Vikings

Dave:

here to murder the people who are

Jerremy:

And they, we called them Native Americans and they're like

Jerremy:

we're settling this land and it's not yours.

Jerremy:

'cause we say, so we have guns and you don't, sorry, it's now ours.

Jerremy:

The 11th president, that's what James Polk

Jerremy:

did, right?

Jerremy:

to take California, Oregon, Washington from the Britains.

Jerremy:

Man, it was just fascinating.

Jerremy:

so there's a difference.

Jerremy:

Immigrants are,

Jerremy:

your country's better than ours

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and I wanna come live here.

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A settler is,

Jerremy:

I kinda like my country, but there's something better and I will fight

Jerremy:

for it if I have to create my vision.

Jerremy:

Small distinction and I think

Jerremy:

Actually

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probably

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better.

Jerremy:

'Cause there's not a lot of new countries being settled,

Jerremy:

present day.

Jerremy:

All right.

Jerremy:

So on that topic, if we create the distinction of, all right, immigrants

Jerremy:

are incredible, Steve, in that exact episode, kind re-lit my fire of yeah.

Jerremy:

America was,

Jerremy:

Talk

Jerremy:

about small

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

and young it, we are 250 years old,

Jerremy:

barely.

Jerremy:

And to think about how far this country has come in 300 years, let's just call

Jerremy:

it 300 years for easy numbers compared to any nation that's ever happened before,

Jerremy:

that was a superpower is remarkable.

Jerremy:

Speed.

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Remarkable.

Jerremy:

And we only did that because we brought in people to this nation and

Jerremy:

those people did absolutely help build

Jerremy:

this country.

Jerremy:

And those were the vast majority,

Jerremy:

they were

Jerremy:

immigrants.

Dave:

yeah.

Jerremy:

That thought process brought me to the conversation that we had with

Jerremy:

Audrey and Jerry because Audrey and Jerry, they were, second generation

Jerremy:

or first generation, and their parents came here for one reason, mostly was to.

Jerremy:

Work to create jobs to create for themselves and had their kids here and

Jerremy:

really wanted to build a family and wanted to build power and legacy and impact.

Jerremy:

And they were able to do that.

Jerremy:

And for me to just think through using that conversation, using that

Jerremy:

discussion, using the terminologies that both Audrey and Jerry were able to

Jerremy:

dictate and enunciate on the power of that cultural identity saying, I have

Jerremy:

this, we have this, but we are together.

Jerremy:

And to create some level of unison unity and having the remarkable capability

Jerremy:

and capacity to take that unity and from that build, from that scale, from

Jerremy:

that to create a melting pot of hey.

Jerremy:

You have this exact same situation that I had, you went through

Jerremy:

this exactly like I'm going, through it Let's help each other.

Jerremy:

And it was in that episode where I started putting the pieces together.

Jerremy:

Okay, I think we could that could definitely be a alright, if you

Jerremy:

wanna come into this country go get a job, I'm fine with that.

Jerremy:

probably gonna be a job that American doesn't want anyway.

Jerremy:

And there's gonna be plenty of them.

Jerremy:

Go get a really cool job.

Jerremy:

And when you come here, connect with a group of individuals who've

Jerremy:

already been here before and let them guide you, let them pull you.

Jerremy:

And that's just a requirement.

Jerremy:

This is a terrible example, but think about like a parole officer, right?

Jerremy:

Parole officer has Hey, here's these things that you have to do to return as

Jerremy:

a returning citizen to the communities.

Jerremy:

Okay, if you're an immigrant into this country and you.

Jerremy:

Check mark.

Jerremy:

You go through the AI adopted software, automated system and process where we

Jerremy:

can take 95% of these core cases and speed 'em up to days or weeks versus

Jerremy:

decades.

Jerremy:

And now, once they get that big check mark, they go get a job

Jerremy:

and they're required to attend.

Jerremy:

Dude, I don't know, whatever.

Jerremy:

Community meetings, let's have discussions.

Jerremy:

Let's do this together.

Jerremy:

Let's build each other up together.

Jerremy:

Let's remember why we're all here.

Jerremy:

We came to this country to yes, have our heritage.

Jerremy:

And this was a big one that Audrey just, I love how she stated this, but it was

Jerremy:

like, yeah, we came from somewhere else.

Jerremy:

Absolutely.

Jerremy:

And we still have that as our heritage.

Jerremy:

We saw that as our background.

Jerremy:

But I'm an American.

Jerremy:

I'm here now

Jerremy:

and we're gonna pour into it and we're gonna celebrate our past.

Jerremy:

We're gonna celebrate where we came from.

Jerremy:

It's gonna be remarkable.

Jerremy:

It's gonna be incredible.

Jerremy:

It's gonna be an accomplishment.

Jerremy:

It's gonna be a feat.

Jerremy:

But we're Americans and we're in this country for a reason and we're gonna build

Jerremy:

and we're gonna help other people build.

Jerremy:

And that just got me all excited.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

We touched on that a little bit with Svetlana and Olga too, right?

Dave:

I think Olga mentioned, yeah, you, you tend to find your communities, right?

Dave:

Particularly in, in cities.

Dave:

You find your people.

Dave:

I like the idea of.

Dave:

People helping people, communities helping out.

Dave:

But didn't they also say there are so many different programs and

Dave:

so many things that are already available and it's, I don't know.

Dave:

I remember Olga looking, sounding a little slant eyed at that, meaning that, yeah,

Dave:

but you gotta get rid of all of the scams and all of the people taking advantage

Dave:

of, of, uh, of immigrants or people who are going through this gauntlet.

Dave:

And I think the phrase was, um, a marathon through a minefield.

Dave:

You know?

Dave:

So what would it accomplish?

Dave:

because we also heard about the crab potting too, right?

Dave:

So what would you envision, say a second gen helping, a first gen doing?

Dave:

Is that what you're saying, right?

Dave:

It's ah,

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

I think Exactly.

Jerremy:

I'd

Dave:

we

Jerremy:

have that be

Dave:

a you need to have an advisor here.

Jerremy:

Exactly,

Dave:

A

Dave:

mentor.

Jerremy:

Americans do that.

Jerremy:

If you're born here,

Jerremy:

You have advisors.

Jerremy:

Those advisors are

Jerremy:

generally called

Dave:

Yeah,

Jerremy:

Mentors.

Jerremy:

What it does is it speeds up the process so that if you have a marathon through

Jerremy:

a minefield, you know where to run.

Jerremy:

Don't put your foot there.

Jerremy:

Avoid this big

Jerremy:

iron metal, shiny thing.

Jerremy:

I think that too is it's just a way to speed the process.

Jerremy:

Solana said, let's remove the story of always having to be hard and having this

Jerremy:

link and this beauty attached to hardship, because it doesn't have to be that way.

Jerremy:

These things can be easier, and if they're easier, we'll create our own hard, right?

Jerremy:

That hard will be made.

Jerremy:

I love that people have to work diligently and put a lot of effort into build

Jerremy:

something to scale something for that, to really have a value associated with it.

Jerremy:

And yes, that'll never go away, but if you have a mentor, a second generation

Jerremy:

appealing to a first generation that says, here's what to avoid.

Jerremy:

Here's how to speed things up.

Jerremy:

Here's how to get a great job.

Jerremy:

Here's where you could pay taxes.

Jerremy:

Here's where you can do this.

Jerremy:

Avoid this, don't do this.

Jerremy:

Do this.

Jerremy:

Now that person can avoid a lot of the hardships, and

Jerremy:

they'll have their own hardship.

Jerremy:

And their hardship might be, I have to work more because I, now,

Jerremy:

I bought two houses and I live in one and I rent out the other one.

Jerremy:

But there are some hardships that come with owning two houses, and that hardship

Jerremy:

is just as unique and individualistic as someone who has no house and has to rent

Jerremy:

and have to pay their money for rent.

Jerremy:

It's just a hardship.

Jerremy:

We're all gonna have our own hardships because human beings, in my almost

Jerremy:

personal definition, are spiritual beings that want to create a physical experience.

Jerremy:

And so we're going to create hard things for ourselves.

Jerremy:

Naturally, it doesn't matter how easy life is, we will find things to make hard

Jerremy:

because we want to experience that hard.

Jerremy:

So let's make it as easy as possible because the faster it is, the easier

Jerremy:

it is, the quicker our immigrants love to learn the country, love to learn the

Jerremy:

processes, fall in love with the people.

Jerremy:

I think it would create a, they're no longer, less than.

Jerremy:

I think that was one of the very first things you talked about.

Jerremy:

Davis was like, Hey, this is no longer a we versus them.

Jerremy:

It's kinda like an us.

Jerremy:

It's oh, cool, you're an immigrant.

Jerremy:

Awesome.

Jerremy:

You should connect with this group, this person, this individual,

Jerremy:

and this is what you should do.

Jerremy:

Because that's, everyone knows that's what we do now, right?

Jerremy:

We just have this protocol to welcome people 'cause we don't

Jerremy:

have this disdain for, you do have to be technically non-approved to

Jerremy:

start getting here at some point.

Jerremy:

There is a process of.

Jerremy:

Not approved to approved.

Jerremy:

What does that window look like?

Jerremy:

Let's short it, make it as easy and quick and efficient and scaled

Jerremy:

down as possible so that we can figure it out and we can continue to

Jerremy:

become the world's greatest country.

Jerremy:

'cause that's what put us here.

Jerremy:

And what got us here will continue to get us where we want to go to a

Jerremy:

certain level, to a certain degree,

Dave:

Immigration, and let's just extend that to becoming a

Dave:

citizen in the United States.

Dave:

Should that be easy or should that be hard?

Jerremy:

I think it should be easier than

Jerremy:

it is now.

Jerremy:

But here's my thoughts though.

Jerremy:

Yes, it can be easy, but easy can have very specific outlines.

Jerremy:

Finishing a marathon is pretty easy, Dave.

Jerremy:

You go 26.2 miles.

Dave:

I'm

Jerremy:

a lot

Jerremy:

easier

Dave:

I, like that analogy.

Dave:

That's great.

Jerremy:

It's like it's a

Jerremy:

lot

Dave:

the

Jerremy:

easier.

Jerremy:

Yeah, that's the thing.

Jerremy:

It's like we could still have these, you gotta do, okay, this is

Jerremy:

maybe a tangent again, but imagine if I said, in order to be an

Jerremy:

immigrant, legally, all you have to do is come over to America, do 25 pushups, 25

Jerremy:

pull-ups, and run a seven sub minute mile.

Jerremy:

That was it.

Jerremy:

That's all you have to do.

Jerremy:

And then boom, big check mark.

Jerremy:

That is easy for a

Jerremy:

lot of people, those three things, and it's not easy

Jerremy:

for a lot of people as well, but if you have a very clear standard

Jerremy:

that's, Hey, this is what it is.

Jerremy:

But that standard for the majority of individuals is still

Jerremy:

something that is a fun challenge.

Jerremy:

I'm all for that.

Jerremy:

Then it just gives someone like, Hey, this is a really easy process.

Jerremy:

We have to do these three things.

Jerremy:

But those three things are not inherently

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

ultimately that easy.

Jerremy:

Running a marathon like it is, you just gotta go.

Jerremy:

26.2 miles was like, okay.

Jerremy:

But it's actually hard to do it though.

Jerremy:

And I think that to me is very fun and very realistic.

Jerremy:

It's create some type of pathway is like, Hey, here's all the things you gotta do.

Jerremy:

And here it is, we'll just put it on a piece of paper and we'll put it

Jerremy:

on street posts across the country.

Jerremy:

These are only 10 things you gotta do to be here legally.

Jerremy:

And they're easy, but they're a lot easier not to do.

Jerremy:

And if it is known enough that everyone's aware of what it

Jerremy:

is, I think we can all kind of

Jerremy:

champion

Jerremy:

that

Dave:

I wanna talk a little bit about who should immigrate?

Dave:

Who are we welcoming into the United States?

Dave:

because I think this comes up in a lot of our conversations the last few weeks.

Dave:

Who?

Dave:

And like when we talk to Melissa, you know, her world is very

Dave:

much about STEM businesses.

Dave:

Like, these are developers, these are scientists, these are people

Dave:

who are good at math and these companies, they need, the scientists

Dave:

in order to do what they need to do.

Dave:

So the companies are willing to put up the money, put up the time,

Dave:

energy in order to get those folks.

Dave:

And we learned all about that when Melissa, but then we also heard, well,

Dave:

yeah, if you're a world class sales guy, sales salesperson yeah, good luck.

Dave:

Or if you're an incredible entrepreneur from anywhere in the world, you're

Dave:

not being treated special, right?

Dave:

Even if best salesperson happens to be Mexican, forget

Dave:

it, they're stuck in Mexico.

Dave:

And then you get people who immigrate or are pushed into situations that are.

Dave:

Kind of weird, you know, whether it's having to basically get forced

Dave:

into a marriage in order to stay, or, vacationing in the United States

Dave:

when you're nine months pregnant so that your child can be born here.

Dave:

You know, I think we also sort of index to smart people and college graduates when

Dave:

we need people who can, twist a wrench.

Dave:

And, you know, we need build people to build our builds and the incredible skill

Dave:

and intelligence necessary in order to, build anything in the United States.

Dave:

None of that comes with a college degree.

Dave:

And there aren't sadly, a lot of Americans who even want those jobs.

Dave:

And you know, those skilled people are immigrants.

Dave:

And I don't know about you.

Dave:

I know a lot of smart people.

Dave:

I have worked with a lot of smart people in highly technical positions, some of

Dave:

them immigrants, and they, they are, we don't test for psychopaths, right?

Dave:

You know, like if you are a crazy son of a bitch, but you happen to

Dave:

have an advanced degree in something, you're welcome to the United States.

Dave:

But if you are a world class poet from someplace else,

Dave:

good luck getting in the door.

Dave:

So I think we overindex for certain things and we say, oh, those must be good people.

Dave:

And we completely under index for things that we actually need and tie

Dave:

it to jobs and like, okay, so who should be coming to, the United States?

Jerremy:

Well, let me answer your question by

Jerremy:

asking you a question.

Jerremy:

How would you define great, because that's my answer.

Jerremy:

My answer would be, let's get great people

Jerremy:

into this nation.

Jerremy:

If you're gonna immigrate in here, I want you to be great.

Jerremy:

I don't want you to be a scum human being.

Jerremy:

There are scum, human beings.

Jerremy:

I haven't met a lot myself 'cause that's just 'cause I have my perception

Jerremy:

and the people I surround myself with, but I want great people.

Jerremy:

So how would you define a great individual?

Dave:

It's shown over and over again that the people who are happy, the people

Dave:

who on their deathbed say I did it.

Dave:

Well, those people.

Dave:

Over index for things like compassion.

Dave:

They're social, they're curious, they have a bit of a intelligence

Dave:

about them, and they really care.

Dave:

And with those qualities, they succeed and the people around them succeed.

Dave:

They tend to be a bit more family oriented community oriented.

Dave:

And those are the people who are not only the happiest, they live the longest.

Dave:

And that is success more than anything else for me.

Dave:

So bringing in a job producer that has hundreds of millions of dollars

Dave:

but is a crazy son of a bitch who lays waste to everything around them.

Dave:

Is worth very little to me than somebody who has those other

Dave:

qualities that I talked about.

Dave:

The kindness, the compassion the social aspects, because they bring more, like

Dave:

the people around them are productive.

Dave:

They are the job creators.

Dave:

They are creating businesses, they are creating community.

Dave:

They are actually bringing more to the United States.

Dave:

So I think that greatness is about those soft skills and those soft

Dave:

skills where you look at that person and you're like, I admire that person.

Dave:

I see this in you all the time.

Dave:

It's like, I admire you as a person because you have those qualities

Dave:

and great things happen around you because of those qualities.

Dave:

It's not because you're the smartest or the richest or the craftiest or the one

Dave:

who's willing to do whatever it takes.

Dave:

You have the qualities that underpin all of that that are more important.

Dave:

So that's what I think is.

Jerremy:

Thanks man.

Jerremy:

So you're saying I'd be a good immigrant

Dave:

What did you, what was the country?

Dave:

What was the country you chose?

Dave:

Was it wasn't Grenada?

Dave:

Aruba.

Dave:

Aruba?

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

Aruba will be lucky to have you.

Jerremy:

Thanks man.

Jerremy:

You, but to your point, I like that answer.

Jerremy:

Meaning.

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Imagine if it was as simple as we took someone who had a lot of wisdom, insight,

Jerremy:

experience, call them someone that was, let's just say you're 70 years old.

Jerremy:

'Cause that's way too old to be the president.

Jerremy:

And you say to yourself, okay, since you're 70 and you have all this wisdom

Jerremy:

and age and experience and talent, let's put you on the front lines of hire.

Jerremy:

Going through an interview process four hours a day for 80 minutes

Jerremy:

per person to interview immigrants, people who wanna come to this nation.

Jerremy:

And you have this list of questions.

Jerremy:

And at the end, you've got the job, didn't get the job you have these people that

Jerremy:

are trained and talented and awesome and have care and compassion and can

Jerremy:

actually listen to stories and judge I think this person's a great person.

Jerremy:

'Cause they have those certain qualities.

Jerremy:

That's what a hiring manager at a job.

Jerremy:

Of almost any company, they have to talk to people crazy.

Jerremy:

Like we have to actually learn who this individual is because I do think

Jerremy:

there are some characteristics, what I said earlier about the physicality

Jerremy:

of becoming an immigrant, was both a little bit of a hyperbole, but at the

Jerremy:

same time would be an actual legitimate aspect of an interview process of are

Jerremy:

you healthy or are you gonna come to the US and be a ginormous burden physically?

Jerremy:

we don't need any more obese people in America.

Jerremy:

We had a health podcast discussion already, podcast,

Jerremy:

and over 30% of the US is obese.

Jerremy:

So there are Okay.

Jerremy:

Certain levels there that's important.

Jerremy:

Physicality, like mentally, spiritually, emotionally.

Jerremy:

How do you relate to people?

Jerremy:

What is your general charisma, kindness, thought process.

Jerremy:

Do you smile?

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Do you like other human beings?

Jerremy:

Do you provide good energy?

Jerremy:

Are you nice?

Jerremy:

Do you understand the complexities of human interaction, like shaking

Jerremy:

hands and smiling and giving me eye contact and being a great human being?

Jerremy:

I think there's plenty of people that would mind taking that

Jerremy:

job or that volunteer position, because that's really the answer.

Jerremy:

It can be that easy.

Jerremy:

Let me interview and pass or fail.

Jerremy:

Do you smell terribly?

Jerremy:

Are you just unkempt and mean, and angry and terrible?

Jerremy:

It's okay, if that person's a genius

Jerremy:

and they're gonna invent the next incredible invention, let 'em do it in

Jerremy:

their home country, because we probably, as US citizens, don't necessarily want a

Jerremy:

lot more horrifically, angry, frustrated, terrible people that are running things.

Jerremy:

I just think that ultimately, it should be

Jerremy:

easy or it should still be something where there is a level of component.

Jerremy:

And if someone takes the time, energy, and diligence to, I think you mentioned

Jerremy:

be an incredible world renowned poet and they came to a job interview and

Jerremy:

they said, what's your number one skill?

Jerremy:

Or like why would you be here?

Jerremy:

What value do you provide to this country, company in this example?

Jerremy:

And they just recited for 17 minutes this beautiful poem.

Jerremy:

Are they gonna get hired?

Jerremy:

Probably like that's gonna be relatively impressive to somebody.

Jerremy:

And if it's not at that exact job, maybe that person who's hiring

Jerremy:

is oh wow, you're not fit for the front desk at human resources.

Jerremy:

Like you need to be the copywriter.

Jerremy:

You need to be in the language department for this company.

Jerremy:

And so I think that ultimately is like, yeah, everyone doesn't have to

Jerremy:

fit into for everything, of course.

Jerremy:

But for the people, who should be in this country,

Jerremy:

great people.

Jerremy:

That's who should be here.

Jerremy:

People that are gonna add incredible value, who are gonna do great things,

Jerremy:

who are gonna care, who are gonna be kind, who can be compassionate,

Jerremy:

who are gonna do their best to be an amazing, loyal, caring citizen.

Jerremy:

And if the time comes, if it ever needed to happen,

Jerremy:

Got invaded,

Jerremy:

would you fight for it?

Jerremy:

And I think that's a realization that, listen, I know some people

Jerremy:

will or will not because of some reason or rationale, but most people

Jerremy:

who would consider themselves an American would go, yeah, if it, I'm

Jerremy:

not saying put me on the front line.

Jerremy:

I'm saying if this country got invaded and we had to, would

Dave:

How beautiful was that when Olga said, like she knew she was an

Dave:

American when, at nine 11, she was like, I would die for this country.

Dave:

And I'm like, oh my God, I just got chills.

Jerremy:

Man.

Jerremy:

Me too, dude.

Jerremy:

That's patriotism.

Jerremy:

And you know what frustrates me?

Jerremy:

I'm a rampage tyrant today.

Jerremy:

This I feel, and maybe this is my newsfeed, maybe it's my media,

Jerremy:

I'm not sure, but people demonize patriotism and because they think it's

Jerremy:

one

Dave:

Who's doing that?

Dave:

That's ugh.

Jerremy:

and they go, only hard-nosed Republicans can be patriotic.

Jerremy:

No, exactly.

Jerremy:

I agree.

Jerremy:

I'm like, what?

Jerremy:

We're like, what?

Jerremy:

What are you talking about?

Jerremy:

And I think if someone wears a ginormous American flag shirt and

Jerremy:

American flag pants, I did three or four polls on this on my Twitter.

Jerremy:

The majority of people say, or at least the people that voted for it, right?

Jerremy:

They say that they would view that person as a Republican first.

Jerremy:

There's that flag, baby.

Jerremy:

There's that flag.

Jerremy:

And so it's just man, I don't think that needs to be the case, nor should it be.

Jerremy:

It's like being a patriot of this country just simply says,

Jerremy:

you know exactly where you live.

Jerremy:

You know exactly why you live here.

Jerremy:

As much as I love Aruba and I would immigrate there, I ain't got a rubian flag

Jerremy:

anywhere in my house that we live here and left, right middle

Jerremy:

center, far either direction.

Jerremy:

Be an amazing human being, be an amazing citizen, be an incredible

Jerremy:

advocate for this country.

Jerremy:

That is what makes patriotism in any country exciting.

Jerremy:

And we all should have a degree of that, and that needs to

Jerremy:

certainly be a very important

Jerremy:

component

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

whoever is demonizing patriotism.

Dave:

I think that got wrapped up in the hole, woke in the last few years.

Dave:

That is a dying thing.

Dave:

I have definitely seen a lot more leadership on the left side saying,

Dave:

Hey, no, patriotism is amazing.

Dave:

I spend some time in Turkey and everybody has a Turkish flag.

Dave:

They're wearing Turkish, shirts and it's a cool flag.

Dave:

people just love it and they're proud to be Turkish.

Dave:

it's infectious.

Dave:

we did lose that, but

Dave:

I don't think it was real, I think it was just something else to make people crazy.

Dave:

I think it was right coded for a while, but so was working out,

Jerremy:

valid.

Dave:

it was like, oh, must be a Republican.

Dave:

No.

Dave:

Yeah.

Dave:

It's no.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Dave:

I don't know how we landed on this side of it, but I still have this.

Dave:

When we label somebody illegal and when we have illegal ness

Dave:

as far as this immigration thing goes, we create another class.

Dave:

We create effectively like economic slave labor that have, no protections

Dave:

that can be manipulated by fear.

Dave:

And we also create, as far as anybody is measuring the largest human trafficking,

Dave:

anything on the planet that is only making some of the worst people on

Dave:

the planet, filthy rich, and leaving people in these uncertain situations

Dave:

or in, human trafficking situations.

Dave:

Drugs and prostitution, like the worst things in the United States are tied

Dave:

around this economy of human trafficking.

Dave:

I don't know, man that's gotta, all of that's gotta stop.

Dave:

You know, like all of it, we have to make it so it is economically

Dave:

not viable at all to traffic another human being into the United States.

Dave:

Have them work here for nothing, have them work in prostitution or like, all of it,

Dave:

It's just, it's gotta stop, like all of it.

Dave:

Alright, that was my rant.

Dave:

I don't know.

Jerremy:

Oh yeah.

Jerremy:

No, I love, I love your

Dave:

did we say, oh, this is how, like I, Melissa changed me completely

Dave:

to be like, ah, let's not focus on the illegal at all and let's focus on all

Dave:

the business and economic prosperity and making sure that people can come

Dave:

here and work safely and legally.

Dave:

Wouldn't that get rid of the illegal aspect of this completely

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Dave:

temporary work visas

Jerremy:

And I think if we spend more time, energy, and focus on that portion

Jerremy:

of it to your realization that I think most people will not have listened

Jerremy:

to Dave, is that where they're like, they don't even think about, oh wow.

Jerremy:

Companies can traffic

Jerremy:

humans from different organizations, from different countries.

Jerremy:

They're here legally, and then we induce them into slave labor.

Dave:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

For a

Jerremy:

long time like that happens way more often than it should.

Jerremy:

And that should be an incredibly horrific fine.

Jerremy:

And I say fine, like penalty, right?

Jerremy:

You're going to prison for a very long time if you're getting caught

Jerremy:

and doing something like that.

Jerremy:

'cause it's a human life.

Jerremy:

And I think the more we just realize to your aspect of having the ability

Jerremy:

to work and then doing it legally versus illegally and piecing all the

Jerremy:

past work together, that is keep people safe, make it, like you said, non

Jerremy:

economically viable for that to happen.

Jerremy:

For anything to even be created illegally with illegal labor, slave

Jerremy:

labor, traffic, labor, all that should be really looked down upon.

Jerremy:

And that is absolutely something that's just not.

Jerremy:

Really openly talked about at any high level of American government,

Jerremy:

and I don't necessarily think that this is the time to theorize as to why

Jerremy:

that is, but that is something that's really very un openly talked about.

Dave:

Boo

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Big boo.

Jerremy:

I agree.

Jerremy:

But I like how you said that Melissa

Jerremy:

changed you, meaning I think both of us had some fun tweaks and adjustments

Jerremy:

and this whole evolution of this podcast, because that's the reason

Jerremy:

that we're doing this for so long.

Jerremy:

I want our listeners to know that is I personally need to learn more

Jerremy:

and spend more time and energy to just really uncover topics so

Jerremy:

that I can have not my media fed.

Jerremy:

Boilerplate closed perspectives that just got fed to me that I never explored.

Jerremy:

But to hear different opinions, hear different points, look back at them.

Jerremy:

Dave does an incredible job at taking AI to distill a lot of information

Jerremy:

and to piece a lot of this information together and really show us what

Jerremy:

we're talking about visually and lyrically, and literally put it on a

Jerremy:

page so that we can understand what we discuss, how we discussed, at what

Jerremy:

points were made, why they were made, and what we're gonna do about it.

Jerremy:

And I think that's really cool that this entire series did give us tweaks for sure.

Jerremy:

Both of us adjustments on, Hey, think about this way.

Jerremy:

Consider not only that opinion, but this opinion.

Jerremy:

And every single person that we interviewed and discussed just really gave

Jerremy:

us a new, fresh perspective on the tiny adjustments that we can not only make now,

Dave:

It's a, through this series I knew coming into this, it would

Dave:

be very, it's a hot topic, right?

Dave:

And at the end of this series, you know, like all of that energy is out of me.

Dave:

And is very, very frustrated with the political class where it should be, right?

Dave:

Like that's the responsibility of the, is at the people who have abdicated

Dave:

doing anything about this for 50 years.

Dave:

And Americans not really paying attention to it or being, you know, made crazy

Dave:

about, well, it's illegal immigrants and they are taken away from you.

Dave:

Like, that's a, a dividing line.

Dave:

I'll give you some inside baseball here.

Dave:

I actually should pro I, I'll run this by her, but Melissa's episode

Dave:

for all of our listeners here.

Dave:

For everybody we interview we send out early, early cuts to anybody we

Dave:

interview and we're like, Hey, here it is.

Dave:

Great interview.

Dave:

You know, like, if you need any changes or updates, just let us know.

Dave:

And by and large, it comes back with a thumbs up and out it goes.

Dave:

Other than like a CEO that comes back and says, Hey, you know, I

Dave:

dropped like way too many F-bombs.

Dave:

Can you cut out like 10% of my F-bombs?

Dave:

I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem.

Dave:

And then other than that we do, light editing to make sure it sounds okay.

Dave:

But you know, like it's extremely rare.

Dave:

But with Melissa's episode, she came back, you know, remember

Dave:

she's an immigration attorney.

Dave:

She came back and she said, Hey, this, you know, this one section is, um.

Dave:

She was like, you know, like, you know what I said was technically correct, and

Dave:

in the context of what you and I were talking about, it was perfectly fine.

Dave:

And I think 99.99% of everybody that listens to it would've been

Dave:

like, okay, yeah, no problem.

Dave:

Yeah, that makes sense.

Dave:

But you know, the 0.99% that is angry about this is going

Dave:

to get angrier by this answer.

Dave:

And she was like, yeah, could you do me a favor and like

Dave:

clip this And it wasn't much.

Dave:

We're talking 10 seconds, right?

Dave:

And we actually answered the question.

Dave:

I just took out, you know, a few sentences and then I had to take a

Dave:

little bit extra out because you sounded

Dave:

stupid.

Jerremy:

It was like literally

Jerremy:

two

Dave:

and it was totally innocuous.

Dave:

I don't think she would mind me saying it was really around our discussion of

Dave:

businesses firing Americans, but opening up a bunch of visas, To hire foreigners.

Dave:

And what we learned there well that's not the case.

Dave:

Like these companies actually are big and where they're hiring and where they're

Dave:

firing are in totally different areas.

Dave:

And mind you, businesses have to spend a lot of money on this process.

Dave:

Often the immigrant is actually being paid more than the American because

Dave:

of this stupid table that the US government puts together on, salaries.

Dave:

And the companies come back and it's like, I cannot pay, an immigrant,

Dave:

a hundred thousand dollars extra than my American counterpart.

Dave:

She goes, well, that's what it is.

Dave:

And it was in that world, right?

Dave:

And we were talking about it, the three of us were like, we get it.

Dave:

But there just a couple of sentences in there that were like,

Dave:

oh, that could piss somebody off.

Dave:

And she was like, Nope.

Dave:

Out.

Dave:

And I'm like, no problem.

Dave:

And that comes back to, I think people listening to this whole

Dave:

arc of us, I'm hoping that the one thing that they take from it is

Dave:

that this is not an angry issue.

Dave:

This is not an us versus them.

Dave:

This is about America.

Dave:

You wanna be angry at somebody, whoever you voted for, be angry at them because

Dave:

they have abdicated all of this.

Dave:

That's what I want people to be angry at.

Jerremy:

I like that ultimately it's gonna be a policy situation

Jerremy:

and who you voted for or even better, who you did not vote for.

Jerremy:

Be angry at somebody in this environment that actually has the

Jerremy:

ability to create that change.

Jerremy:

And not only be angry, but give 'em some solutions.

Jerremy:

And those solutions can be coming on podcasts just like this one.

Jerremy:

Having open conversations, give ideas, right?

Jerremy:

Come up and sit down with what should we do?

Jerremy:

Why could we do it?

Jerremy:

Where could we do it?

Jerremy:

How could we do it?

Jerremy:

Make adjustments, make tweaks, make alterations, give thoughts to

Jerremy:

really creating integral changes.

Jerremy:

That's.

Jerremy:

I feel we did a great job at, during this during this briefing, during this entire

Jerremy:

series, is just having a way to create potentially policy centric reframing,

Jerremy:

Making systematic or systemic fixes and tweaks and adjustments that allow for some

Jerremy:

radical changes in the Immigration Nation.

Jerremy:

Yeah.

Jerremy:

Dave,

Jerremy:

What are we talking about

Jerremy:

next?

Jerremy:

What's on the docket for our

Jerremy:

listeners?

Dave:

voting, voting,

Jerremy:

what do you mean voting,

Jerremy:

We gotta vote.

Jerremy:

Like how

Jerremy:

can we possibly

Jerremy:

talk

Dave:

solving America's problems is voting.

Dave:

This can go like a lot of different directions.

Dave:

There's so

Dave:

much.

Jerremy:

tons.

Jerremy:

You got my tweet, right?

Jerremy:

I I, yeah,

Dave:

I think

Jerremy:

I did send him a voice memo.

Jerremy:

I'm like, Hey man, can you come on my show?

Jerremy:

So we'll see if it's a yes or no, but for our listeners there was someone

Jerremy:

who was very political, who talked about, we, how they should update or

Jerremy:

how we could update the voting process.

Jerremy:

And dude got so much hate mail for just wanting the idea, the simple

Jerremy:

thought that we should make voting easier and people are hating on this.

Jerremy:

And that just blew me away.

Jerremy:

A pretty intricate stance

Jerremy:

on voting.

Jerremy:

So I want every single one of our listeners to tune in very closely into

Jerremy:

our next series, because I can assure you this will be one of my most passionate

Jerremy:

topics

Dave:

that.

Dave:

That's incredible.

Dave:

I. I'm totally stoked about this one.

Dave:

I'm putting together the research on it now.

Dave:

You know, like we start all of these with a research and

Dave:

I'm like, man, it's bonkers.

Dave:

Voting is bonkers.

Dave:

I think we did it again my friend.

Dave:

It's also a little Easter egg in the show notes for Olga and Vena.

Dave:

So I'm gonna prompt our listeners to look at the show notes.

Dave:

There is something very special hidden in there.

Dave:

I'll give you a little hint.

Dave:

Olga talked about an amazing cookie.

Dave:

There might be a little recipe snuck into the show notes for

Jerremy:

Easter Egg, if you like

Jerremy:

cookies.

Dave:

Much better than whatever the.

Dave:

Mayonnaise drenched stuff you were talking about.

Dave:

Ugh.

Dave:

But yes, next up on solving America's problems.

Dave:

Probably fewer cookies, but a lot more on voting.

Dave:

Alright my friend.

Dave:

Wrap us up.

Jerremy:

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Thank you for being here.

Jerremy:

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

With dynamic formats—one-on-one interviews, panel discussions, and more—we cut through the noise of divisive rhetoric to uncover practical ideas that unite instead of divide. If you’re ready to think differently, act boldly, and join a movement for meaningful change, subscribe now.