AI's Great Displacement: Self-Reliance, UBI, and Owning Your Data by 2030 (Full)

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something has changed, shifted, not slowly quickly.

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jobs that looked safe two years ago are

the ones getting repriced right now.

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The degree that was supposed to open doors

has half of new grads working jobs that

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don't need it, and the people who followed

every rule of the old deal are the

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ones with the latest ground under them.

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My name is Jerremy Alexander Newsom

with my co-host Dave DC Conley, and

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this is solving America's problems.

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Justin Meyers called this

before and had a name.

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His great displacement theory is

a warning and a blueprint, he is

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not waiting on government to act.

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He's building the tools, the tech

and the infrastructure so that

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this transition benefits people

instead of just replacing them.

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Jason Sipple spent years as a top

earner in corporate recruiting, felt

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the weight of the same broken system

up close, and then flipped the script

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teaching Americans how to take back

control of their financial lives without

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waiting for the system to fix itself.

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Justin, Jason, welcome to the show.

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Justin Meyers: Thanks for having me.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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So Justin, we're gonna start with you,

man, since you're the youngest and the

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three of us, you called what's coming?

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The biggest thing in any lifetime

in known existence, most guests

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say something like that and they

generally admit nothing by it.

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Make us believe what you mean.

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What are you watching right now that

most people haven't caught up to yet?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah.

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So I mean, it's really gonna change

everything we know from every

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different industry, from healthcare,

from finance, to manufacturing

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production, to, how we look at travel.

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it's one of the great examples is

back in the day, people used to

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ride horses to get to work, right?

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And now eventually cars will be,

probably the same thing where you'll

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take your car out on your track, right?

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And everything like that.

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But, we'll use different means of

transportation, whether it's autonomous

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vehicles or some other type of, travel

tech that hasn't been released yet.

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And I think.

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If you look at it from a business

standpoint, all of you are

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business owners, entrepreneurs.

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If you're able to have an employee

that doesn't sleep, that can run 24 7

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autonomously, doesn't make mistakes,

and then you can bring on a, humanoid

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robotic that could do a lot of these

tasks, eventually you're just gonna have a

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better ROI, you're gonna have a lower cost

customer acquisition cost, you're gonna

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have a higher customer lifetime value

and probably a better retention rate.

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So it's like making decisions like

that become easier and easier if

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you look at it from just a strictly

business, not a human standpoint, on

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making those replacements for AI and

robots supposed to people, right?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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And so it, when you say it, you are

referring to artificial intelligence?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah.

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And robots, drones, all in the, the group.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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All bundled together.

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It's it is coming very swiftly.

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It is coming very swiftly and I think

there's gonna be a really cool inflection

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point where it becomes super amazing,

like you said, of people making more

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profits, companies making more profits,

and or that big great displacement, which

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I know that there's gonna be something

happening with that e to everyone,

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everyone who's in the workforce right now.

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Jason, you work with people who are

carrying the weight of this presently.

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I know you're a huge fan of presence.

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What's the thing that they say to

you that the economic headlines

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are not capturing at all?

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Jason Sipple: Hmm.

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that's a hefty first question, Mr.

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Newsom.

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Jerremy Newsome: sir.

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Jason Sipple: we talking about ai,

are we talking about things that

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just aren't being said in general?

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Or what are we talking about exactly?

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Like gimme a more specific question.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Let's talk about the AI aspect.

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So you work with business

owners all the time.

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Are they bringing it up to you?

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Are they talking about it?

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Is there fear there when they speak to

you about their jobs, about their income?

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'cause you help people with

their income and their finances.

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Are they aware yet that there's

gonna be a huge shift coming and are

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they making actions to overcome it?

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Jason Sipple: Yeah, I

think, great question.

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I think most entrepreneurs understand that

you're either using and integrating AI

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into your business at this point, you're

gonna be replaced by someone who is right.

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So if they're, builders, if they're

creators, they're already looking to

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actively integrate, like Justin's talking

about, to, give them back more of their

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time to integrate things seamlessly.

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Or if they're on the other side of

things, then they're probably going to

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get replaced, If they're not, if they're

thinking in the borrower consumer mindset

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where there's like, Hey, it doesn't have

anything to do with me, I think that is

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probably not the way to go right now.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, just

avoiding it altogether, pretending

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Jason Sipple: just pretending

it's not happening.

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Pretending there's not a tsunami

coming that's gonna hit us all.

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And 'cause I work with a guy

who's built our site in different

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things and understands this

thing at a super deep level.

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Being a PhD, he was a former

professor for years at a university

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that, at Liberty University.

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And now he works for the Department

of Defense and he does security.

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And so he's already seen what security

breaches, he's already seen what

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he's doing in the industry at the

cutting edge of it getting replaced.

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like, it's either gonna be glorious,

as Justin was describing, or it

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could be the exact opposite or

maybe it falls somewhere in between.

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Jerremy Newsome: Mm.

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Okay.

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So since you're on a roll, and then

Justin, we're gonna paddleboard

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it over to you as, as well.

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So both of you feed me into this one.

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Paint me a picture.

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What does a 30 5-year-old student

who went to college, what does their

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Tuesday morning look like in 2030?

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Justin Meyers: Tuesday morning in 2030.

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I mean, it's gonna involve probably

talking to your own personal model

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that does most of the things for you.

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I think most like applications like

desktop applications and mobile

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applications will be like a thing of the

past will probably have like an AI that

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you just talked to to be like, okay,

today I'm gonna order my DoorDash and

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I'm gonna call my ride at this time.

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And it'll all be through conversation,

through talking to, your phone,

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you'll just be able to talk to it.

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You'll be able to order your

food, you'll be able to do all of.

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You'll be able to do all of those things.

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If you have work, you'll know you'll

be able to talk to AI about all your

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tasks that you have to do for that day.

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Minimal as they'll probably be in 2030.

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It's more of probably like checking

the AI's work at that point.

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Jerremy Newsome: Checking the

AI's work, just reviewing, making

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sure it didn't make any mistakes.

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Justin Meyers: I.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, it's kinda wild.

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It's amazing to think about.

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love hearing it from a, young hustling

entrepreneur who's, in it right now.

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What about you, Jason?

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We think, man, so I mean,

let's take your son, right?

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let's say Diego, what's

his morning look like?

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You think in.

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Tuesday, 34 years from now.

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Jason Sipple: As a Marine.

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Let's see, as a marine, I mean, we

don't know where he'll be stationed yet.

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he wants to be a common engineer.

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He's talking about, potentially

going into ranger school afterwards.

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I think now that he's getting

tortured on a regular basis.

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With his training.

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I think that he's seeing that

he has a lot more to give.

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So I'm excited to see where

he will be in four years.

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And then, Connor, the 11-year-old,

I mean, I think he's ready

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to take over the world now.

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Like with the brain, he has,

and with electronics and things.

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And I don't know, I think

we're gonna, it's four years

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from now, it's, coming fast.

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I think we're gonna overcompensate

in a lot of ways because there's

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it we're, we keep seeing all these

new models and these new things and

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agentic things, and it's like, Hey,

moving really fast, trying to keep up.

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And then it just changes.

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it's gonna change with a code being

leaked or something of that nature.

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I don't know.

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I can't really imagine.

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I just know learning and keep growing

and keep looking, figuring out

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what you want to create the clearer

you are on where you're going, the

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more the AI can help you get there.

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Dave Conley: let me ask

you a scary question.

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I think there's a, There's an idea that

this is gonna like, end the world, right?

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I mean, it's not like a non-zero chance,

but the thing that occurs to me is

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that we're, we're already letting these

things all over our computers, all of

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our, financial information like the

ones and zeros that make up our life.

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Would you actually let like

the machines into your house?

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And I don't mean like a Roomba, right?

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Like I'm, I'm talking about a

machine that can wield a knife and

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cook you dinner and, crush a melon.

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like this.

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These things sound terrifying to me.

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But would you, would you let

the machines in the house.

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Jason Sipple: It freaks me out, man.

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I wouldn't get in the machine driven

car when I went to the Phoenix Airport,

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right when that showed up and looked like

something from back to the Future, and

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they're like, oh, it's a better ride.

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And it's a ja.

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Jerremy Newsome: Is that what you got?

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Did you get a Zeus or whatever it was

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Jason Sipple: I don't remember, but

it was literally a Jaguar, right?

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With like the, with the thing on the

top and the sides, and it was like,

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here, we'll give you a discount.

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You don't have to leave a tip.

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And I'm like, no, thank you.

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if I get, what if I get stuck in there?

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Like, what if I can't get out?

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No, I'm with you Dave.

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I don't know.

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I didn't have a computer until I

was 24, so like, this is, and I'm,

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I'm only a couple years after that

now, so it's not been that long.

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I've been around computers, right?

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So.

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Dave Conley: Wow.

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How about you, Justin?

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Are you letting the machines in

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, I mean,

restrictively, I'm a little weary on

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something like an open claw bot to

give it full read and write access to

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all of my text messages to be able to

send all these, emails autonomously.

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I feel like I'm pretty efficient using

AI to help with many of my tasks and,

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kind of being that human in the loop,

but also that's like the cynical me of

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like, I want to be able to review this

because I don't fully trust it yet.

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Dave Conley: Oh, no doubt.

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reading a, a post last night,

which I think was terrifying.

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It was this, a guy who ran a,

small business and he ran a small

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business for small businesses, right.

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And the AI platform, which was one

of the ones what they, market as,

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Hey, this is like the safe one,

like destroyed their business.

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Like, it, hit, wiped out everything

and there was no going backwards.

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And they are cooked.

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I mean, there is nothing.

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And when they queried the ai,

the AI said, oh yeah, I wasn't

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supposed to do any of that.

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Okay, thanks.

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like these things are incredible.

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, I'm

letting 'em in my house.

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rollout day.

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Yep.

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Dave Conley: Wow.

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Jerremy Newsome: Roll.

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I'm gonna get an optimist rollout

day as soon as I can purchase one.

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Yeah, man.

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Just to see it.

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I mean, try it out.

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Like, it'll be interesting.

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It'll be fun, it'll be

unique, it'll be exciting.

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well this time, travel the other

direction then for just a quick moment.

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Jason, I think it was like

three-ish years for you.

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You were leading what, a $25 million

division and you're hitting every number.

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us to that exact moment,

that turning point.

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What did it feel like in your

body, and what did you say

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to yourself in that instance?

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What caused you to shift from the deal

to being your own boss and stepping

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out into the fear the unknown.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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What a, what a shift.

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Well, Patty, I think I've

told you a story, right?

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When I came back and that shift

happened, she literally had me sleeping

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in another room for like three months

and was calling me Captain America and

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all kinds of stuff when that happened.

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So, but no, the, how it felt in my body,

like the trade I made when I joined

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the equity backed company was like, all

right, I'm gonna go into leadership.

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I have an opportunity to be an

entrepreneur and build something.

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build something hopefully really cool.

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When I started, it was nothing.

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It was a phone and a compute, a

laptop, zero revenue for that division.

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I took on, the end of the year, it was 2.6

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million, right?

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Within nine months, and within five

years it was a $30 million division.

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so I took on one job, but I had five.

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I literally did a different job

every day, and the company scaled

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from 30 to 600 million, and all

the time I bought back by quitting

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Ironman and coming back to my family.

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literally giving it back to corporate.

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And so how it felt was awful.

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It was like this wasn't a dream.

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Dropping Connor off at school at

7 45 in the morning and getting

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home at seven 30 at night.

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And always being stressed because

I had 11 direct reports and about

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3000 people that were under my

purview as far as who I managed.

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So it, was a lot, man.

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And, and it didn't feel like

what mom and dad taught you.

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Show up first, leave last, work

hard, be humble, was actually

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ending up going anywhere.

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Jerremy Newsome: I mean that's,

what's changing right now.

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I mean, it's changing right now and

I think it's gonna continue to shift.

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And then we're gonna have remarkable

entrepreneurs and leaders like Justin

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who can give other people and guidance.

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So Justin, you building your

own company, in a team of,

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what was it, 20 plus engineers.

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They were deploying all the AI tools and

then the company did not work, right?

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It failed.

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us what happened when you

realized that the engineers kind

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of knew they were training their

own replacement, so to speak.

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, so this was early

when Claude Code really was starting

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to be recognized along with like

different tools like Codex and Copilot.

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And essentially I looked at it

from a efficiency standpoint.

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I was like, man, if I have 20 engineers

who could really harness these AI

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code writing tools and say it could

even do 60% of the work, this was a

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couple years, almost two years ago.

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at that point, which it could have done

50 to 60% of their job, it would've

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made them that much more efficient,

but they basically refused to use it

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even after, making it a declaration

for the company saying, Hey, all of

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you need to be writing code with this.

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because they thought they were

programming their basically replacement,

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by giving it all these feedbacks

and it would render them useless.

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Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.

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Which is wild.

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Huh?

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Wild to think it's like, you're gone.

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You did a lot of work.

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Didn't work out.

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Sorry.

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Well, I mean, let's steal, man,

that, advice, the loudest advice kind

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of, you almost said it perfectly.

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Learn to code into ai.

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Get ahead of it.

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Tell us, or show us if possible,

where do you think this advice

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could collapse in real time?

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For real people?

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Justin Meyers: Can you break

that down a little bit?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, so the

whole just adapt theory, right?

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You're like, Hey, if we learn to

code, learn to ai, learn to use

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it, learn to integrate with it.

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But I mean, there's millions of people

that aren't gonna take that advice.

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where does it break down for them?

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Like what do you think they end up

doing if they don't take the advice?

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What do they work?

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What skills do they use?

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Justin Meyers: Yeah, so I mean, I

think it's gonna come down to like

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either universal basic income or

universal high income, as Elon calls it.

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If you're not one of the people that

is essentially, leveraging these tools

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and being a more valuable employee or

an entrepreneur by being able to wear

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multiple hats and fulfill multiple

functions for the company, I think

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you, you're gonna end up in a bucket of

society that's, dependent completely on

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government, and they'll have you on the

CBDC happily on your augmented reality

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glasses, playing video games all day.

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I think the government is

more than happy with that.

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And then, you have these consumers

that are just consuming and then

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their stimulus check goes right

back to the giant corporation.

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So it's a big cycle at the end of the day.

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And I think there's gonna be a very

small group of people that harness AI

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and just dominate industries because

think of it like this, if you can

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be a trucking company that cuts out,

that does nationwide, halls, right?

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And you use AI for all of your routes,

logistics, brokering of loads for,

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AI cameras to track all of your

inventory inside the trucks, and now

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you have a 30% better profit margin

than any other trucking company,

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you're gonna dominate everybody.

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Especially with oil prices being so high.

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And then you start to incorporate

autonomous trucks, your margins

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become even better because then you

don't have to pay for the driver.

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You're gonna eliminate entire

industries of trucking companies.

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So it's like, what side

of it do you end up on?

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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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Yes.

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I.

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Jason Sipple: Yeah, no, I mean like that,

is like, that's the tidal wave, right?

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We're looking up at this

thing and does it really?

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I mean, when you look at all the

structure, we look at what happened at,

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around the, the industrialization, all the

different big things that happened there

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with food and, financials and politics and

money, Agriculture and everything else.

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Like we, we built these systems

that are controlled by very few.

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And so now are we just shifting the power?

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Are they the same people that

are gonna have the power?

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Like what is, this new

world order gonna be?

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Right?

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Like Justin's talking about you have

one company that takes over everything.

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: 00:17:05

Isn't that, I mean, we were joking

around yesterday at the beach, we're

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looking at, we're looking at na, we're

looking at nasa, we're looking at

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SpaceX, we're looking at Blue Origin.

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We're like, oh, there's,

another Amazon box.

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: 00:17:16

Oh, there's, is this the

same as the Terminator?

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And Skynet?

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'cause now you have access,

like you said, to everything.

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You have access to all of your

personal information, what

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you like, where it shows up.

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: 00:17:28

And now it's getting delivered by

this trucking company that Justin just

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: 00:17:31

talked about that doesn't have to hire

anybody that's 30% more profitable.

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: 00:17:36

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

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so, name me.

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: 00:17:37

Just for fun, which movie are

we in, or is it going to happen?

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So we have Terminator,

we have Wally, we have

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Justin Meyers: Matrix.

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: 00:17:50

Jerremy Newsome: and we have the Matrix.

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: 00:17:51

Which one?

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Those are the Four.

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: 00:17:53

Four.

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: 00:17:53

Choices.

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Justin Meyers: I think

it's a unique blend.

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I think we're good.

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I think it.

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Jason Sipple: or red?

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Justin Blue or red?

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What are you taking?

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Justin Meyers: Oh, red pill for sure.

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: 00:18:03

Jerremy Newsome: Love

it, love it, love it.

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: 00:18:05

What about you, Jason?

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: 00:18:05

Which one are you?

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: 00:18:06

Is it a blend of all of them,

or you got one where it's like,

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: 00:18:08

this is happening, this is it.

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: 00:18:09

We're going there.

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: 00:18:10

Jason Sipple: Man, I

look towards abundance.

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: 00:18:13

Like if you, if you go how,

let's take it way back.

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: 00:18:15

Let's go back.

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: 00:18:16

I don't know what the original

title of the book was, but the

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: 00:18:19

Science of Getting Rich, I think

it's by Wilson Waddle, right?

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: 00:18:23

Where he talks about all of the things

that we might look at today as being evil.

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: 00:18:30

Or bad that had been

creating infrastructure.

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: 00:18:34

when you look at what Rockefeller

created, and a lot of us look for legacy

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: 00:18:38

purposes to Rockefeller, but also, it's

very in instrumental in what happened

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: 00:18:42

with the, Federal Reserve, right?

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: 00:18:45

What happened with IRS, what happened

with a lot of other standardizations

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: 00:18:49

and control that's been created, and

Dave kind of mentioned earlier, worried

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: 00:18:53

about control and the amount of control

that we're seeing, exerted over us.

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: 00:18:57

Justin mentioned as well, I think I

lost my train of thought, but where

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: 00:19:01

we're going with, where we're going with

the fact that it, I wanna look towards

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: 00:19:05

that all of all of things are being

created, are for a bigger purpose that we

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: 00:19:10

Justin Meyers: Subject.

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Jason Sipple: yet.

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: 00:19:12

We're shifting on a consciousness

level to a higher level.

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: 00:19:15

Like if you look at, force versus

power, like there's more people

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: 00:19:19

that exist in power today on a

conscious level, Newsom, right?

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: 00:19:23

This is something you love than

there ever has been before.

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: 00:19:26

And so are we moving towards like a

different kind of existence for all of

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: 00:19:30

us where it's gonna be beneficial and

we can actually look at it that way.

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: 00:19:35

And we get rid of ego and competition

and a lot of other things that cause

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: 00:19:39

lot of the strife in the world, but

it also gives us a lot of money too.

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: 00:19:42

So you know who's gonna win that battle?

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: 00:19:45

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, well, I think,

that's gonna take and leaders and

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: 00:19:50

people to guide it towards that mindset

it's really just the guiding of the

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: 00:19:56

ship of what direction we want to go.

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: 00:19:59

I think we're, I think we're at that

point right now in the next year

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: 00:20:02

and a half to two and a half years,

there's gonna be certain voices and

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: 00:20:07

certain people in certain tribes and

companies that stand up and go, listen.

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: 00:20:12

The universal basic income, which is

actually gonna be our next discussion

416

: 00:20:15

in this series, in this podcast.

417

: 00:20:17

And just going through that and talking

about the pros and the cons and what it

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: 00:20:19

looks like, what it doesn't look like,

and who will accept it and who wouldn't

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: 00:20:21

accept it and why, and when and where.

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: 00:20:23

But I mean, ultimately, to your point,

man, the company will be making more

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: 00:20:26

money and they'll be doing less work.

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: 00:20:28

And Justin, as you said earlier,

you'll wake up and just kind of

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: 00:20:30

manage your robots and they'll be

out and doing all the things for you.

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: 00:20:34

So you can still create money

more easily and effectively.

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: 00:20:36

AKA, you have more freedom.

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: 00:20:39

then, and with more freedom, you can

either become a degenerate and do

427

: 00:20:42

absolutely nothing for the world and

just suck off the tet of everyone else.

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: 00:20:47

Or you have the ability to create bigness

and more and opportunity and shift people

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: 00:20:53

into a brighter, bigger, bolder thinking.

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: 00:20:55

'cause now they have more time.

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: 00:20:58

And very, very similar to

the, social media and to the

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: 00:21:00

phones and to the rise of you.

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: 00:21:02

You mentioned software applications,

like people have the ability to create

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: 00:21:05

more, faster, quicker, better now.

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: 00:21:07

They just need to be told and need to

be guided, and that's gonna be a big,

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: 00:21:10

revolution of shifting the educational

system in this country, shifting what

437

: 00:21:14

we talk about, how we talk about who

talks about it, how often they do so,

438

: 00:21:18

and giving them that mindset, Jason,

of that abundance and how they can

439

: 00:21:21

actually feel that and tap into, it's

gonna be remarkable in my opinion.

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: 00:21:25

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

441

: 00:21:25

Yeah.

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: 00:21:26

I think that's remarkable.

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: 00:21:27

I love, how you just reframed, the,

the whole thinking through and it's

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: 00:21:32

really comes back, like I heard on

your, one of your last episodes right.

445

: 00:21:36

Of, this amazing podcast of

talking about how the founding

446

: 00:21:39

fathers were entrepreneurs.

447

: 00:21:42

What a shift that was for you.

448

: 00:21:43

And I think if they looked, if they were

around, like are they not tossing and

449

: 00:21:47

rolling over in their graves over and over

and over again to see where we've went?

450

: 00:21:51

so do we, have the opportunity to bring

it back to the U and me level where it

451

: 00:21:54

starts being driven by values and vision?

452

: 00:21:57

What do we stand for?

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: 00:21:58

What do we stand against?

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: 00:21:59

And really start guiding the country

in a different direction based on that.

455

: 00:22:03

Right.

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: 00:22:03

Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

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: 00:22:04

Jason Sipple: Based.

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: 00:22:04

So,

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: 00:22:05

Jerremy Newsome: And Jason, I think,

and Justin, you'll like this question

460

: 00:22:07

too, but Jason, a lot of, let's call it

plenty of credible voices right now that

461

: 00:22:14

are saying, and still saying, budget.

462

: 00:22:17

Better side, hustle more.

463

: 00:22:20

Pull yourself up, give us the strongest

version of that argument, and then tell

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: 00:22:26

us why it still leaves $165,000 a year

earner in the closet at the end of each

465

: 00:22:33

month, not being able to pay their bills.

466

: 00:22:35

Jason Sipple: yeah.

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: 00:22:36

well, I mean.

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: 00:22:37

I don't think that prescribing to

the hustle culture is a solution.

469

: 00:22:43

Like some people, 4,000 plus calls

in, some people do have to go and

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: 00:22:47

figure out, the first thing they

have to do is how to make money.

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: 00:22:51

But I don't believe, like, I mean

this is, I battle this every day

472

: 00:22:55

Jerremy, like, when you want something

big and you want to go after this

473

: 00:23:00

dream, you just get up and do more?

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: 00:23:04

do you work longer hours?

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: 00:23:05

Do you do more, do you do more hustles?

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: 00:23:07

Do you create more or are you

more more intentional, more,

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: 00:23:13

build different relationships.

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: 00:23:15

I think that's, the one thing that

I learned from my parents where.

479

: 00:23:20

You just work harder, you work more,

you do more Like that guy that wants

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: 00:23:23

to hide in the closet, that's, he's

still operating from that pattern.

481

: 00:23:27

he does more things will work better.

482

: 00:23:30

of looking and saying, Hey,

the pattern has to change.

483

: 00:23:33

Like I need a different system.

484

: 00:23:35

I need a different operating system that's

gonna be in the best interest of my family

485

: 00:23:39

that I have control over, that I have

guarantees with, that I can start using.

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: 00:23:45

to shift the pattern.

487

: 00:23:47

'cause one thing is to be like aware

of your pattern and another thing is

488

: 00:23:50

actually doing the work to shift it.

489

: 00:23:52

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah,

it's, it's very easy.

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: 00:23:56

It's just easier not to.

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: 00:23:58

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

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: 00:23:58

Well, and we talked about the

education system changing, right?

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: 00:24:01

For your boys.

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: 00:24:03

boys, for all kids.

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: 00:24:05

we want to teach 'em, like, I think

the most important thing we can

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: 00:24:07

do with everything that's changing

right now with ai, with phones,

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: 00:24:10

with integration of technology.

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: 00:24:12

Is to teach people how to think versus

what to think, and then they can

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: 00:24:17

make better decisions than we were.

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: 00:24:20

Right.

501

: 00:24:20

Kind of taught.

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: 00:24:21

Right?

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: 00:24:21

Because we're still, a lot of us are

still operating from the do more show up.

504

: 00:24:25

Show up first, leave last,

be humble, work hard.

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: 00:24:28

And we're wondering,

well, I'm being polite.

506

: 00:24:30

Yes ma'am.

507

: 00:24:31

Yes.

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: 00:24:32

No, no, thank you sir.

509

: 00:24:33

Right.

510

: 00:24:33

And you're wondering why it's not working

out better for you because you don't

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: 00:24:37

really understand the game you're playing.

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: 00:24:39

Jerremy Newsome: Heck yeah.

513

: 00:24:41

so Justin, you and I have done

a podcast together before.

514

: 00:24:43

It was flipping dope by the way,

515

: 00:24:45

Jason Sipple: Hmm.

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: 00:24:45

Jerremy Newsome: I remember

you saying that purposelessness

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: 00:24:50

scale ends in violence.

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: 00:24:54

How close do you think America

actually is to seeing that dynamic

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: 00:24:58

emerging communities, and what

signals are you watching for?

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: 00:25:02

Justin Meyers: Great question.

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: 00:25:03

I mean, wealth and equality seems

to be one of the biggest factors is.

522

: 00:25:08

When we lose the middle class and it

becomes, the elite and also we all,

523

: 00:25:14

see that there's clearly tier two

tiers of justice systems in place.

524

: 00:25:18

Jerremy Newsome: I.

525

: 00:25:19

Justin Meyers: One for the elite

and one for the regular person.

526

: 00:25:21

So for the regular person, if you're left

with nothing, your money's worth nothing.

527

: 00:25:26

We go to stagflation or hyperinflation and

then you got a bunch of pissed off people

528

: 00:25:31

who just lost their jobs to AI and robots.

529

: 00:25:34

that doesn't seem like it's

gonna stay all kosher, on calm.

530

: 00:25:39

Dave Conley: Hmm.

531

: 00:25:40

And, so where, where are

we in that right now?

532

: 00:25:42

Do you think?

533

: 00:25:42

We're at the beginning of that.

534

: 00:25:43

We're in the middle of that.

535

: 00:25:44

We're at the end times of that.

536

: 00:25:46

Is this like a, like a huge, is it gonna

get better before it gets worse or get

537

: 00:25:50

worse before it's gonna get better?

538

: 00:25:52

Justin Meyers: I think it has to

get worse before it gets better.

539

: 00:25:54

I mean, clearly the system that we're

operating on doesn't work, and it seems

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: 00:25:59

like we're supposed to have a social

contract with those we elect in office

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: 00:26:02

who are completely doing us wrong.

542

: 00:26:04

If some of these things that we see

on these files, some of the things

543

: 00:26:08

we hear going on, some of these

wars that we're in, and the premise

544

: 00:26:12

for some of these things are true

and they're doing things for evil

545

: 00:26:16

purposes, then yes, full system reset.

546

: 00:26:20

Dave Conley: Hmm.

547

: 00:26:22

Wow.

548

: 00:26:23

Okay.

549

: 00:26:23

So walk us through Bob, the

lawyer, who's Bob and, what

550

: 00:26:28

does his life look like at 45?

551

: 00:26:29

What does,

552

: 00:26:30

Justin Meyers: Oh.

553

: 00:26:30

Dave Conley: like at 55?

554

: 00:26:30

If nothing's changing, I.

555

: 00:26:32

Justin Meyers: got a shout.

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: 00:26:33

Joe Rogan out for this.

557

: 00:26:34

So he made a great analogy.

558

: 00:26:36

So he was saying, imagine Bob the

lawyer who was the most hot shot

559

: 00:26:40

lawyer down in New York, right?

560

: 00:26:42

Like in suits.

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: 00:26:43

And essentially, Bob was winning all

these trial cases until there's this

562

: 00:26:48

new AI law firm that you can inject

all of the evidence, you could ingest

563

: 00:26:52

all the contracts, and you have a

custom LLM based on your court case.

564

: 00:26:57

And now, they can offer legal services

for 70% cheaper than Bob's firm

565

: 00:27:02

and have, 60 to 70% better results

that are personal to their case.

566

: 00:27:06

That could read every line

of case law ever put out.

567

: 00:27:09

Ever.

568

: 00:27:10

So Bob's like.

569

: 00:27:11

His identity's gone because he would be

out at the bars drinking or the club.

570

: 00:27:15

He was like, I'm this hotshot lawyer.

571

: 00:27:17

And then now after Bob lost his

job and their firm went under, Bob

572

: 00:27:21

gets universal basic income and

people ask Bob, what do you do now?

573

: 00:27:24

He is like, well, I play video

games all day and I collect

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: 00:27:27

my universal basic income.

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: 00:27:29

So what does Bob do?

576

: 00:27:31

Dave Conley: Hmm.

577

: 00:27:32

And Jason, when, so when you hear that

that scenario, the identity collapse,

578

: 00:27:37

the purposeless purposelessness, what do

you recognize from your actual clients?

579

: 00:27:42

Is Bob already in the room?

580

: 00:27:44

I mean, is he here?

581

: 00:27:45

I mean, who, are you coaching in this?

582

: 00:27:46

I.

583

: 00:27:48

Jason Sipple: Oh, great.

584

: 00:27:48

Quick, great question with Bob, I mean,

Bob wouldn't be my ideal person I'd

585

: 00:27:54

want to be working with, like, will

help Bob if he comes in front of me.

586

: 00:27:57

I'll do my best to leave whoever

I'm meeting better than I found him.

587

: 00:28:01

Right?

588

: 00:28:02

But if that's Bob's mindset that he's

gonna collect income and play video games,

589

: 00:28:07

Bob and I aren't getting along real well.

590

: 00:28:09

I don't have a lot in common with Bob.

591

: 00:28:10

I don't know how to coach him.

592

: 00:28:12

I talked to someone like

Bob the other day where.

593

: 00:28:15

he is been an entrepreneur for 25

years, has two of his boys involved in

594

: 00:28:19

the business, makes $290,000 a year,

like doing, well, but a ton of, fears.

595

: 00:28:25

I could hear it in the language, right?

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: 00:28:27

Jerremy, like, you can hear it in the

language and you're speaking to somebody

597

: 00:28:30

he is like, well, I just spent all

my savings to go watch my two teenage

598

: 00:28:34

boys play soccer over the weekend.

599

: 00:28:36

played soccer in college.

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: 00:28:38

He's telling me he was in great

shape, still late fifties, and he's

601

: 00:28:42

just like about he, he's worried

about so many things, but he doesn't

602

: 00:28:47

want to change the pattern he is in.

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: 00:28:49

And I just want to tell 'em

like, Hey man, like you told

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: 00:28:51

me, I could tell you the truth.

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: 00:28:53

And the truth is, if you don't do

something now and start taking better

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: 00:28:58

care of yourself now and putting yourself

first rather than last, you'll literally

607

: 00:29:03

be in the same place at 69, 79, 89.

608

: 00:29:06

And whenever you go, things

will not change for you.

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: 00:29:10

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, that's the crazy

part is it's, it's now regardless,

610

: 00:29:14

now it's a, regardless of the function

of society and how they're getting

611

: 00:29:18

their money too, in my opinion,

Justin is like, plenty of people that

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: 00:29:24

are kind of getting a form of that,

although it's not high income, you

613

: 00:29:29

have a lot of government programs.

614

: 00:29:31

Or they get income now, right?

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: 00:29:34

They're just not doing it.

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: 00:29:35

'cause of robots and AI necessarily.

617

: 00:29:37

It's the government funding it You also

have people that have inheritances.

618

: 00:29:41

You have people that have trusts,

you have people that are receiving

619

: 00:29:44

money from previous generations.

620

: 00:29:47

You have business owners.

621

: 00:29:49

It really is ultimately, the mindset

shift that someone has to help

622

: 00:29:55

people make and see and understand.

623

: 00:29:58

that's just what I wish presently,

that we had more synergistic viewpoints

624

: 00:30:05

and either, let's call it politics or

let's call it movies, or let's call

625

: 00:30:09

it, TV shows where you have mindsets

centered around regardless of how you're

626

: 00:30:16

creating income and regardless of how

much it is, you can always create more.

627

: 00:30:22

always do more for the world.

628

: 00:30:24

You can always find a way to give back.

629

: 00:30:26

And the more you give,

the more you receive.

630

: 00:30:28

The secret to living is giving, and if

you find ways to take copious amounts

631

: 00:30:33

of time, which realistically everyone

has now, both the billionaire and the

632

: 00:30:38

be, have the same 24 hours in a day.

633

: 00:30:41

all have the same resources.

634

: 00:30:43

We all have access to oxygen our mind

and our money for 98%, 99% of the

635

: 00:30:52

population, and those who obviously are

just in a position mentally where they

636

: 00:30:56

cannot, then I would love for them to

have better better, provisions where that

637

: 00:31:02

they can do the things they need to do

to live a little bit of a better life.

638

: 00:31:04

But ultimately.

639

: 00:31:06

I'm a big, big negative proponent.

640

: 00:31:08

I'm excited to be, transformed,

potentially into a UBI system or

641

: 00:31:12

into a system where's like, Hey,

if you're making money passively,

642

: 00:31:14

you're doing whatever you wanna do.

643

: 00:31:15

That's always the dream.

644

: 00:31:17

Everyone now wants to click buttons

and just make money passively, but

645

: 00:31:21

the people who want to do that aren't

doing it now when it's available now.

646

: 00:31:25

So even when it's available in the

future, they're still gonna get

647

: 00:31:27

whatever income they get and they're

still not gonna do anything with it

648

: 00:31:29

unless, they're told differently.

649

: 00:31:31

They're taught differently.

650

: 00:31:32

They're guided differently by some

loving, caring, compassionate system

651

: 00:31:37

that starts from the ground floor that

652

: 00:31:40

Jason Sipple: Yes.

653

: 00:31:40

Jerremy Newsome: out throughout

the nation, which I would call the

654

: 00:31:42

educational system slash entrepreneurs,

like all four of us on this panel.

655

: 00:31:47

Having the ability to pour into

people constantly and perpetually and

656

: 00:31:50

frequently to show them that there is

a better way, there's a better light,

657

: 00:31:53

there's another opportunities available.

658

: 00:31:56

Jason Sipple: Jerremy question for you.

659

: 00:31:57

I man.

660

: 00:31:57

Amen.

661

: 00:31:58

Amen.

662

: 00:31:59

Keep going.

663

: 00:31:59

President of the United

States, here he comes.

664

: 00:32:01

Jerremy Newsome: Let's go baby.

665

: 00:32:02

Jason Sipple: but question

for you on that though then.

666

: 00:32:05

How do you, how do you help someone?

667

: 00:32:09

'cause I haven't found the answer yet.

668

: 00:32:10

Like, I believe like everything you

just said and when you're trying to

669

: 00:32:14

move someone towards what's possible

for 'em, my experience is people

670

: 00:32:19

aren't moving unless there's enough

pain for, them to hit that rock

671

: 00:32:23

bottom for them to say, oh my God,

this is not what I was meant to do.

672

: 00:32:27

Like, so how do we get this?

673

: 00:32:30

Unless, nevermind, I'm gonna let you

answer 'cause I have some thoughts

674

: 00:32:33

on it, but what would you say?

675

: 00:32:34

Jerremy Newsome: I can't wait.

676

: 00:32:35

Well, Justin brought up a great point.

677

: 00:32:36

He said we have a lot more pain to

go, and I think that is an extremely

678

: 00:32:41

true sentence, right, Justin?

679

: 00:32:43

Like there's, a lot more pain for people

to wake up to go, wait a minute, there's

680

: 00:32:46

probably a different way to live.

681

: 00:32:47

I think the necessity is the mother

of invention, so the Great depression.

682

: 00:32:52

kind of in a way forced to recognize

that the fourth industrial revolution

683

: 00:32:57

was here and that we had to stop being

an agrarian culture and community.

684

: 00:33:01

And we had to shift from being

farmers to doing something different.

685

: 00:33:04

And that, even then, the Great Depression,

the Dust Bowl was a 25% unemployment rate.

686

: 00:33:12

I mean, people talk about

it like it was 85%, no

687

: 00:33:16

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

688

: 00:33:17

Jerremy Newsome: right?

689

: 00:33:17

One out of every four didn't.

690

: 00:33:19

one of, 'cause I'm not lo one of

you guys are losing a job, right?

691

: 00:33:23

Like it's, it's only 25%.

692

: 00:33:25

Like yeah, it kind of sucks, but

it's not the most tragic thing ever.

693

: 00:33:29

And the likelihood, that people can lose

a lot more than that is very possible.

694

: 00:33:37

It's very imminent.

695

: 00:33:38

So to me, to answer your question, Jason,

I feel like people have to be able to.

696

: 00:33:45

given the pain and have them walk

through exercises, educational

697

: 00:33:51

approaches, mentorships, masterminds

group think where they can see, feel

698

: 00:33:56

known, and understand the pain and

how it can build in the future so

699

: 00:33:59

that they don't have to experience it.

700

: 00:34:01

And ultimately, also believe that

people will move from immense amount

701

: 00:34:07

of pain or immense amount of pleasure.

702

: 00:34:09

And it's the unfortunate truth

that general human psychology

703

: 00:34:12

works better with getting beat by

a rod than going after the carrot.

704

: 00:34:16

just happen to be wired

the exact opposite.

705

: 00:34:18

Like you can beat me into submission

forever, and I don't do anything

706

: 00:34:21

unless I actually want to.

707

: 00:34:23

pleasure is my biggest motivator.

708

: 00:34:24

It's my biggest driver.

709

: 00:34:26

So that's just how I'm wired.

710

: 00:34:27

It's just how I'm

created, which is awesome.

711

: 00:34:30

And I do think, man, that it's gonna be a,

process of cabinet members, of educational

712

: 00:34:36

members of secretary, members of Senate,

members of Congress members, and also,

713

: 00:34:40

Look at the platform that Mark Zuckerberg

has that Jeff Bezos has, that they're

714

: 00:34:44

not using nearly like Elon's using.

715

: 00:34:47

And when I say Elon's platform, I

just literally mean going out there.

716

: 00:34:50

The guy spends seven hours a day

on Twitter, and he is sharing and

717

: 00:34:53

posting and giving and commenting

and giving, people the red pill

718

: 00:34:57

treatment, if you will, of sending

them videos and sending them messages.

719

: 00:35:00

And when people said like, oh, the

moon landing was fake, he sent like

720

: 00:35:05

55 different articles out there.

721

: 00:35:07

It was like, Hey guys, like if

you believe the earth is flat that

722

: 00:35:10

you're, entitled to believe that.

723

: 00:35:11

But here's incredible evidence

that is the exact opposite.

724

: 00:35:15

But we have so many people in an

extremely large power position,

725

: 00:35:20

let, I mean, dude, LeBron James cdo.

726

: 00:35:22

Ronaldo them the mentorship, the capacity

to just simply provide to people.

727

: 00:35:31

different path and a different idea so

that they do not have to experience a

728

: 00:35:35

likely large amount of pain that is going

to come, that will shift the nation.

729

: 00:35:39

And I just hope that I can ha make

all this happen fast enough because

730

: 00:35:43

I will be one of those voices.

731

: 00:35:44

I'm gonna continue to be one

of those voices, and that's

732

: 00:35:45

why we're all here, right?

733

: 00:35:47

We're all gonna continue to

be those voices for people.

734

: 00:35:49

because Purposelessness really

defined as the lack of purpose.

735

: 00:35:53

Justin, you're absolutely right, is the

number one indicator on if someone's gonna

736

: 00:35:57

have mental health, if they're gonna be

financially free, and if they are going

737

: 00:36:01

to be physically and spiritually and

emotionally well, and lack of purpose is

738

: 00:36:07

a direct tie to poverty and really just

understanding, being seen, being given a

739

: 00:36:13

blueprint on how to escape being shown.

740

: 00:36:17

I got shown dude through a movie, right?

741

: 00:36:20

Growing up in incredible, poverty

with Forrest Gump here, IQ of 75.

742

: 00:36:25

Just a couple points

lower than mine being.

743

: 00:36:29

shown.

744

: 00:36:30

Being shown is like, listen, I made money.

745

: 00:36:32

I invested into a fruit company.

746

: 00:36:33

I no longer have to worry

about money ever again.

747

: 00:36:36

Now he's cutting the lawn for

free and he's building churches,

748

: 00:36:39

schools, and hospitals, then making

sure that Bubba's mom is retired.

749

: 00:36:42

So she doesn't have working

in one's kitchen no more.

750

: 00:36:44

Like, I think that's just so cool, but

you have to be given a compelling vision.

751

: 00:36:48

And got lucky enough to just the exact

right time to have it explained to,

752

: 00:36:54

my, hero at the time, my dad obviously.

753

: 00:36:57

But I believe if you can show other people

in prime media and prime opportunities and

754

: 00:37:02

prime positions of power and placement,

how they can do the exact same thing

755

: 00:37:07

for all the people that follow them.

756

: 00:37:08

I think that's one of the biggest keys

that are missing and that if adequately

757

: 00:37:12

tapped into would revolutionize

every country and all the countries.

758

: 00:37:16

But they just need a leader man.

759

: 00:37:17

They, they need a leader.

760

: 00:37:18

They need people to guide them.

761

: 00:37:19

They need people to show

them that this is how

762

: 00:37:20

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

763

: 00:37:21

You said something earlier, right?

764

: 00:37:23

It is how do we get people

to agree on, a vision right.

765

: 00:37:28

How do we get them to agree on a vision?

766

: 00:37:29

Like I had someone a couple

years ago, he, a grandmaster.

767

: 00:37:32

So you listen to someone that

has that depth of mastery, right?

768

: 00:37:36

In, anything like in TaeKwonDo,

grandma at this point.

769

: 00:37:40

opened a school because he didn't

wanna ha homeschool his, his daughter

770

: 00:37:45

during COVID and then like the school's

based on teaching kids how to think.

771

: 00:37:48

It's kind of a Montessori model.

772

: 00:37:50

It's kind of not.

773

: 00:37:51

But they're doing gardening,

they're doing leadership, they're

774

: 00:37:53

doing baking, they're doing all

of, they're doing, like podcasts.

775

: 00:37:58

They're doing all of these different

things that teach the kids how to think,

776

: 00:38:01

how to solve problems, how to do things.

777

: 00:38:03

And that was a conversation

that we sat down and had.

778

: 00:38:06

And it's like, that's awesome, sir,

but how do we bring this model?

779

: 00:38:10

To a nation, how do we, like this is

the thing that I've never understood.

780

: 00:38:14

I still don't get it.

781

: 00:38:15

I'm still not great at it, Jerremy.

782

: 00:38:16

So that's why, but when you have,

your whole life is built on going out.

783

: 00:38:22

You gotta get the best grades, be the

best athlete to get scholarships, to

784

: 00:38:27

be accepted into elite places, right?

785

: 00:38:29

You're always competing.

786

: 00:38:31

We compete, we compete, we compete,

and then we get out in the real world.

787

: 00:38:34

And then you're an entrepreneur and

you, you're supposed to conspire

788

: 00:38:37

with everyone, work with them.

789

: 00:38:39

So how do we teach people at an early

age, hey, solve problems together,

790

: 00:38:43

figure out how to make things and

add more value together, right?

791

: 00:38:46

How do we get on the same page with that?

792

: 00:38:48

Like that's, the leadership we need is

someone that's kind of speaking in those

793

: 00:38:52

very simple but very powerful ideas is,

listen, we're here to help each other.

794

: 00:38:57

We're not here to compete

against each other.

795

: 00:38:59

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

796

: 00:39:00

Yeah.

797

: 00:39:02

Love it.

798

: 00:39:02

shifting gears for just a quick, a

few seconds, Justin, to talk about.

799

: 00:39:06

Again, in a, good way, right?

800

: 00:39:08

Paint the picture for people

since we're here and you're,

801

: 00:39:10

great at painting pictures,

802

: 00:39:11

Jason Sipple: Hmm.

803

: 00:39:11

Jerremy Newsome: with, software

and with creation, you patented

804

: 00:39:17

data sovereignty tools, right?

805

: 00:39:19

You're wiring together physical

infrastructure with NVIDIA and a MD chips

806

: 00:39:24

and for all that kind of good stuff.

807

: 00:39:25

the people that are listening who

make, let's call it $58,000 a year, and

808

: 00:39:29

they have two kids, does your own data

actually mean for them practically today?

809

: 00:39:36

What would they use it for?

810

: 00:39:37

What would they do with it?

811

: 00:39:38

What should they be looking for

and how could they access it?

812

: 00:39:41

Justin Meyers: Yeah, so good question.

813

: 00:39:43

I mean, look at data as an asset, right?

814

: 00:39:47

We, we just have no way to scale,

or weigh that asset right now.

815

: 00:39:51

We don't have a way to

classify what that data is.

816

: 00:39:55

Who owns the data?

817

: 00:39:57

Once we figure out a way

to tax tax it, right?

818

: 00:40:00

Then there'll be a, way you could

have it on a balance sheet, which

819

: 00:40:02

eventually will probably happen.

820

: 00:40:04

Like what is a Joe Rogan episode worth

in terms of the data, that podcast,

821

: 00:40:09

if I were to put it on my balance

sheet, how, is it worth millions?

822

: 00:40:13

Is it worth a hundred million?

823

: 00:40:15

There's a monetary value to that, right?

824

: 00:40:18

Does Joe Rogan own that data or does

Spotify and YouTube own that data?

825

: 00:40:23

who, owns all the re-shares of that data?

826

: 00:40:26

Right.

827

: 00:40:26

Who, owns the ads?

828

: 00:40:28

that were made, that were

played in between that podcast?

829

: 00:40:31

So like, having ownership of your

data, and also like people are.

830

: 00:40:36

Have a little misconception when

using ai, if you're using like one of

831

: 00:40:40

these frontier models, the chat GBTs,

the CLOs, you're using their API.

832

: 00:40:44

So they're learning and seeing

all of your data and information.

833

: 00:40:49

If you have your own computer or server

that's running your own open source,

834

: 00:40:53

large language model, say on o Lama

or in your terminal, on your computer,

835

: 00:40:58

then you have control over your data.

836

: 00:41:01

so there's different ways to look at it,

and I think people in the future will

837

: 00:41:05

be able to monetize because eventually

these social media companies won't be

838

: 00:41:10

able to just mine your data for free.

839

: 00:41:11

They're gonna have to probably

pay you for it, for your interest,

840

: 00:41:15

like all the things you like.

841

: 00:41:16

I don't know if you know how

sophisticated some of these algorithms

842

: 00:41:19

are on, meta on X, like it's

tracking how long you look at it.

843

: 00:41:24

It's taking pictures of your eyes, your

retinas, like where you look at the

844

: 00:41:27

video, like where you touch on the screen.

845

: 00:41:30

Like, there's so many different

factors that these companies, they're

846

: 00:41:34

building these massive profiles on you

and NN none of us really understand

847

: 00:41:39

how much data they're collecting

and they're able to predict trends.

848

: 00:41:43

I heard an interesting story from

a friend, and I can't say who he

849

: 00:41:46

is, but I could say the story.

850

: 00:41:47

So he was working at a major, food

company, one of the ones that has grocery

851

: 00:41:51

stores nationwide and the working in

the data science division for them and

852

: 00:41:57

building models, to basically advertise

certain products to their customers.

853

: 00:42:03

So they had created a model that had

predicted that this girl would be

854

: 00:42:08

pregnant, who happened to be 17, like

120 days before she was pregnant.

855

: 00:42:13

So they advertised prenatal vitamins

and all these pregnancy products

856

: 00:42:18

120 days before she found out.

857

: 00:42:20

And the dad found out and they sued the

company, but come to find out, not in

858

: 00:42:24

a few months later, she was pregnant.

859

: 00:42:26

Dave Conley: Hmm.

860

: 00:42:27

Justin Meyers: So they lost the case.

861

: 00:42:28

So, is that accurate?

862

: 00:42:30

Jerremy Newsome: Crazy.

863

: 00:42:31

Crazy.

864

: 00:42:32

And that What, the one movie on

this, Justin, what's the name of it?

865

: 00:42:35

Do you remember?

866

: 00:42:36

It's on Netflix.

867

: 00:42:37

It's incredible.

868

: 00:42:38

Of course, I don't

869

: 00:42:39

Justin Meyers: Which one?

870

: 00:42:40

Jerremy Newsome: It's, the one

about like the, social media

871

: 00:42:42

companies and like Exactly.

872

: 00:42:44

They're explaining almost the

algorithmic aspects of what you're

873

: 00:42:47

talking about, like using your eyes,

how long you hover over something, where

874

: 00:42:50

your thumb is placed on the screen.

875

: 00:42:51

All those things are being tracked always.

876

: 00:42:55

Anyway.

877

: 00:42:56

Justin Meyers: and as well.

878

: 00:42:57

Jerremy Newsome: It's a wild, uh,

documentary on, Netflix, Dave.

879

: 00:43:00

Crazy.

880

: 00:43:01

Dave Conley: Well, let's back

up a little bit because helped

881

: 00:43:03

create the consumer internet.

882

: 00:43:04

And the first thing that we did, and

the first thing that we knew how to

883

: 00:43:08

do was to track a bunch of stuff.

884

: 00:43:10

And we did it, we were on, I was on the

tech side, we did it so we could hunt

885

: 00:43:14

down bugs and so like we could make better

user experiences for, our customers.

886

: 00:43:20

then we changed our business

model to advertising.

887

: 00:43:23

And the advertising guys came in,

they said, Hey, what are you tracking?

888

: 00:43:26

We got, well, we're tracking all this.

889

: 00:43:27

And they're like, fantastic.

890

: 00:43:28

And we had these simple models

and we were able to, drive some

891

: 00:43:32

advertising and, that was amazing.

892

: 00:43:34

But that was 27 years ago.

893

: 00:43:38

And, we were at that time tracking.

894

: 00:43:41

we were tracking down to the mouse,

like where you were on the screen

895

: 00:43:44

and like what you were hovering over.

896

: 00:43:47

25, 26 years ago.

897

: 00:43:50

I can't even imagine what it

might be like today when we're

898

: 00:43:54

talking about owning your own data.

899

: 00:43:56

Like do we own anything right now?

900

: 00:43:59

Like Right, right.

901

: 00:44:00

After that job, I actually went into the,

administration and they, called a bunch

902

: 00:44:05

of us who were doing technology across

the government up to, the White House.

903

: 00:44:09

And we had this round table on

things that the, White House could

904

: 00:44:12

be doing as far as technology goes.

905

: 00:44:15

And, I, they came around to me

and I said, Hey, it'd be really

906

: 00:44:17

great if we owned our own data.

907

: 00:44:19

And the guy started laughing

at me, he said, oh, no, That's

908

: 00:44:22

way too valuable to, business.

909

: 00:44:24

You'll, you'll never own your data.

910

: 00:44:27

So I, mean, do we own anything right now?

911

: 00:44:29

Is this.

912

: 00:44:31

Justin Meyers: Right.

913

: 00:44:31

Is anything real?

914

: 00:44:32

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

915

: 00:44:33

Right.

916

: 00:44:33

There's no, there is no spoon.

917

: 00:44:34

There is no spoon.

918

: 00:44:35

That's

919

: 00:44:36

Jason Sipple: Come on.

920

: 00:44:36

You tell, tell me you don't

feel that sometimes though.

921

: 00:44:38

Like, I was watching Dave kind of

listen to Justin and I was like, wow.

922

: 00:44:42

I was thinking, wow, like this.

923

: 00:44:44

gets weirder and weirder.

924

: 00:44:45

Like you're, like, you're talking

about the models of Claude or

925

: 00:44:48

GPT and, you know, you have to

tell it like, don't be so nice.

926

: 00:44:51

Like Jerremy, we like, that's

one of our love languages.

927

: 00:44:53

Right?

928

: 00:44:53

Tell, me how great I am.

929

: 00:44:55

And so everything you say is

like, oh, that's a great idea.

930

: 00:44:57

Is it really?

931

: 00:44:59

Jerremy Newsome: Like

Claude, it kind of sucks.

932

: 00:45:00

It's a terrible idea.

933

: 00:45:01

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

934

: 00:45:02

that

935

: 00:45:02

Justin Meyers: Completely incompatible.

936

: 00:45:04

The two parts are completely

incompatible, but it sounds great.

937

: 00:45:07

Jerremy Newsome: yeah,

938

: 00:45:08

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

939

: 00:45:08

Jerremy Newsome: yeah.

940

: 00:45:08

There's a hilarious dude right now who's

doing Chad CPT videos on Instagram,

941

: 00:45:12

and he'll talk to the Chad CPT and

he'll like, his eyes will be closed and

942

: 00:45:16

he'll ask him like, why can't I see?

943

: 00:45:17

It's, it's hilarious.

944

: 00:45:18

it's an amazing satire.

945

: 00:45:21

Justin, I have a question

about what you talked about.

946

: 00:45:22

'cause I don't understand this part.

947

: 00:45:24

Just clear it up for me.

948

: 00:45:25

When you say you can put it on the balance

sheet, what are you referring to exactly?

949

: 00:45:32

Like what are we put,

putting on the balance sheet?

950

: 00:45:35

Justin Meyers: So, like I use the

analogy of the Joe Rogan podcast, like

951

: 00:45:38

how do we put a monetary, like, can Joe

Rogan go get a loan against that asset?

952

: 00:45:44

Right?

953

: 00:45:44

Like, why not?

954

: 00:45:46

Jerremy Newsome: And the asset

955

: 00:45:47

Justin Meyers: you, go

956

: 00:45:48

Jerremy Newsome: his social reach

and the power that it holds.

957

: 00:45:50

Right.

958

: 00:45:51

The monetary optimization possibilities.

959

: 00:45:54

Justin Meyers: Yeah, absolutely.

960

: 00:45:54

All the advertising, like

how much is, like 15 seconds

961

: 00:45:58

in between, segments worth.

962

: 00:46:00

So it's gonna come down to like putting

that on like an NFT, like a blockchain

963

: 00:46:05

receipt and then like tokenizing it.

964

: 00:46:09

Jerremy Newsome: Hmm Are we gonna

be able to tokenize stuff without

965

: 00:46:11

using the blockchain, do you think?

966

: 00:46:13

Because me and Dave are kind of bears on

blockchain, we think it's kind of dumb.

967

: 00:46:18

Justin Meyers: So the, the blockchain

and crypto are 2D separate things.

968

: 00:46:21

It's just the actual technology of like

having an immutable record and then like

969

: 00:46:25

being able to, fractionalize the assets.

970

: 00:46:28

So we'd be able to assign an A score.

971

: 00:46:31

So we'd be able to create a scoring

system hypothetically saying,

972

: 00:46:35

okay, based on a Joe Rogan episode

or a PBD episode with this guest,

973

: 00:46:40

this is the monetary value, right?

974

: 00:46:43

And then be able to fractionalize it

like a REIT or something like that, and

975

: 00:46:47

like sell shares of that episode because

you, you now have ownership of that and

976

: 00:46:52

maybe you can now advertise, et cetera.

977

: 00:46:54

So there has to be, there

is a monetary value.

978

: 00:46:57

It's just, it doesn't, obviously

the government's behind, so we

979

: 00:46:59

don't know how to put a, actual

figure to that asset dollar value.

980

: 00:47:05

But it is an asset,

it's an intangible one.

981

: 00:47:08

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

982

: 00:47:09

Yeah, that's, okay.

983

: 00:47:10

Makes sense.

984

: 00:47:11

It's good to think about.

985

: 00:47:12

I think it's really, interesting.

986

: 00:47:13

'cause there's, there's ways to do

that now, but to your point, it's

987

: 00:47:15

gotta be a little bit more verified,

especially from a bank standpoint.

988

: 00:47:19

Right?

989

: 00:47:21

Justin Meyers: Mm-hmm.

990

: 00:47:21

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

991

: 00:47:23

Dave Conley: Okay, so

992

: 00:47:24

I.

993

: 00:47:25

think all of us are on the same page.

994

: 00:47:26

Change is coming and we're,

all a little bit like, wow.

995

: 00:47:31

It's, not just a small change.

996

: 00:47:33

It's a big change.

997

: 00:47:34

And this whole series has been about

at work is gonna look like in: 2030

998

: 00:47:40

Here's the thing that I've

asked everybody, and YouTube,

999

: 00:47:42

by the way, are our last guests.

: 1000

00:47:44,509 --> 00:47:49,969

And so what I'm trying to understand

is so many folks that we've talked

: 1001

00:47:49,969 --> 00:47:52,909

to have said, you have to do this.

: 1002

00:47:52,909 --> 00:47:55,659

The person has to do this,

people have to do this.

: 1003

00:47:55,809 --> 00:48:00,824

Like, it's, this individual responsibility

over and over and over again.

: 1004

00:48:01,674 --> 00:48:07,614

And what I, haven't heard too much

of is what is the role of government?

: 1005

00:48:07,644 --> 00:48:09,894

What's the role of academia?

: 1006

00:48:09,924 --> 00:48:12,624

What's the role of

companies and corporations?

: 1007

00:48:12,624 --> 00:48:16,714

What's the role of your community, or

your family, like, what it feels like

: 1008

00:48:16,714 --> 00:48:22,544

we're, giving too much responsibility

to the individual and not enough to

: 1009

00:48:22,574 --> 00:48:27,644

all of the different parts of places

that we, live and work and learn.

: 1010

00:48:27,884 --> 00:48:30,764

So like where, does the

rubber actually meet the road?

: 1011

00:48:31,064 --> 00:48:32,534

Or is it just all on us?

: 1012

00:48:33,534 --> 00:48:34,374

Jason, what do you think?

: 1013

00:48:35,374 --> 00:48:35,594

Jason Sipple: Hmm.

: 1014

00:48:36,594 --> 00:48:39,304

It's not a, a simple question.

: 1015

00:48:39,304 --> 00:48:43,544

I don't want the government

involved in, things.

: 1016

00:48:43,544 --> 00:48:47,924

Like, I don't like the idea of people

just receiving pay for a living.

: 1017

00:48:48,374 --> 00:48:52,964

And I don't un, I don't like the

idea of us not going out and creating

: 1018

00:48:52,964 --> 00:48:54,524

and solving problems together.

: 1019

00:48:54,554 --> 00:48:56,844

Like, it doesn't, feel right to me.

: 1020

00:48:56,844 --> 00:49:01,864

It doesn't feel, when I look, at our

current model, when I look at the news,

: 1021

00:49:01,864 --> 00:49:07,324

when I look at what's happening in the

world and, just, I feel like there has

: 1022

00:49:07,324 --> 00:49:11,704

to be some kind of reset where it's

brought back to a you and me level, Dave.

: 1023

00:49:11,704 --> 00:49:15,274

I really do think it's gonna have

to be new leadership, new ways of

: 1024

00:49:15,274 --> 00:49:17,644

thinking, new ways of, going forward.

: 1025

00:49:17,644 --> 00:49:19,564

And I know that's a very basic answer.

: 1026

00:49:20,134 --> 00:49:21,844

I just don't think

government's the answer.

: 1027

00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:24,964

I don't think government oversight,

more government involvement is

: 1028

00:49:24,964 --> 00:49:27,584

the answer to, going forward.

: 1029

00:49:27,584 --> 00:49:30,309

Dave Conley: okay, so what

I'm hearing is, all of those

: 1030

00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:31,719

institutions are off the hook.

: 1031

00:49:31,779 --> 00:49:35,829

The communities, the, governments,

the, academias, the, all of them

: 1032

00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:37,569

are like, since they're not gonna

: 1033

00:49:37,714 --> 00:49:38,794

Jason Sipple: No, not off the hook.

: 1034

00:49:38,794 --> 00:49:40,414

I just don't trust them to do anything.

: 1035

00:49:41,284 --> 00:49:41,464

Yeah.

: 1036

00:49:41,464 --> 00:49:43,114

No, I just don't trust 'em to do anything.

: 1037

00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,304

Like, I don't trust them

to have our best interests.

: 1038

00:49:45,304 --> 00:49:50,074

So I think we have to have different

leadership that's gonna move in a

: 1039

00:49:50,074 --> 00:49:54,034

direction where we start moving in the

direction where it is more supportive.

: 1040

00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:59,234

Like, I don't think, I just don't think

the handouts and teaching people like,

: 1041

00:49:59,234 --> 00:50:01,754

Hey, it's okay if you don't do anything.

: 1042

00:50:01,754 --> 00:50:06,704

If you, if you just exist, like it's

you, you have to go create value.

: 1043

00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:09,434

Like you weren't made in God's

image just to sit around and play

: 1044

00:50:09,524 --> 00:50:11,384

video games or whatever, right?

: 1045

00:50:11,384 --> 00:50:13,514

Like it's, go do something.

: 1046

00:50:13,514 --> 00:50:14,594

Go help your community.

: 1047

00:50:14,594 --> 00:50:16,034

Go be a leader in your community.

: 1048

00:50:16,034 --> 00:50:17,964

Go, do something.

: 1049

00:50:18,099 --> 00:50:18,554

Dave Conley: Okay, so

: 1050

00:50:18,564 --> 00:50:18,804

Jason Sipple: don't know.

: 1051

00:50:19,004 --> 00:50:22,244

Dave Conley: now I'm hearing don't trust

your community, don't trust your families.

: 1052

00:50:22,249 --> 00:50:23,389

Don't trust academia.

: 1053

00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:25,409

Is that what you're, mean?

: 1054

00:50:26,409 --> 00:50:26,979

Jason Sipple: no.

: 1055

00:50:27,979 --> 00:50:28,339

No.

: 1056

00:50:29,269 --> 00:50:30,049

Is that what you're hearing?

: 1057

00:50:30,049 --> 00:50:33,259

Because I'm just saying I don't

trust that the government has

: 1058

00:50:33,259 --> 00:50:34,939

our best interest in, mind.

: 1059

00:50:35,029 --> 00:50:38,389

Like I don't trust that big corporations

have our best interest in mind.

: 1060

00:50:38,839 --> 00:50:42,409

I don't trust that someone that

is tracking our eyeball movements

: 1061

00:50:42,409 --> 00:50:45,559

and knows exactly what we want and

when someone's getting pregnant

: 1062

00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,029

has our best interest in mind.

: 1063

00:50:47,509 --> 00:50:50,599

Like if, if it depends on

what our intention is on how

: 1064

00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:51,674

we're using this information.

: 1065

00:50:52,369 --> 00:50:54,919

Are we using it to make

life better for us?

: 1066

00:50:54,919 --> 00:50:58,099

Like we, how can we have, I mean,

Jerremy says this all the time,

: 1067

00:50:58,099 --> 00:50:59,959

like, how can people have poverty?

: 1068

00:50:59,959 --> 00:51:01,699

There's enough money for

everybody in the world.

: 1069

00:51:01,969 --> 00:51:03,889

There's enough food for

everybody in the world, right?

: 1070

00:51:03,889 --> 00:51:05,899

We have enough solutions

for everybody in the world.

: 1071

00:51:05,899 --> 00:51:07,189

So why is there so much?

: 1072

00:51:07,999 --> 00:51:09,379

is there so many people suffering?

: 1073

00:51:10,224 --> 00:51:10,494

Dave Conley: Oh.

: 1074

00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,639

Jason Sipple: a very utopic, but like

there's like, why trust the people

: 1075

00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:18,049

that have power when they're operating

from a war low vibrational standpoint,

: 1076

00:51:18,469 --> 00:51:21,049

versus how do we have more abundance?

: 1077

00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:22,039

How do we have more peace?

: 1078

00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,599

How do we have more

people working together?

: 1079

00:51:23,979 --> 00:51:26,364

Dave Conley: And, Jason, I, and I am

really just trying to get at this,

: 1080

00:51:26,364 --> 00:51:29,934

because what you're saying is something

we've heard over and over again, and

: 1081

00:51:30,294 --> 00:51:34,884

it feels so dark to me to say that

the only person that you can trust,

: 1082

00:51:35,214 --> 00:51:38,184

the only person responsible is you.

: 1083

00:51:38,244 --> 00:51:43,374

And no one else has any trust or any

responsibility in your communities,

: 1084

00:51:43,374 --> 00:51:44,544

because those are people too.

: 1085

00:51:44,724 --> 00:51:48,474

Your family, your communities, your

academia, the governments that you

: 1086

00:51:48,474 --> 00:51:51,264

vote in for nobody else but you.

: 1087

00:51:51,324 --> 00:51:55,734

And that is, that's tough for me to

hear is that that is where you're at.

: 1088

00:51:55,734 --> 00:51:56,094

Yeah.

: 1089

00:51:56,954 --> 00:51:57,244

Jason Sipple: Yeah.

: 1090

00:51:58,244 --> 00:52:00,194

Yeah, that, is where, that's where I'm at.

: 1091

00:52:00,349 --> 00:52:00,799

Dave Conley: God,

: 1092

00:52:01,004 --> 00:52:03,794

Jason Sipple: where I'm at because

when I, for 46 years, I trusted

: 1093

00:52:03,794 --> 00:52:05,144

the system and I was angry.

: 1094

00:52:05,144 --> 00:52:08,054

I was drinking, like you would go have

the release because you're thinking

: 1095

00:52:08,054 --> 00:52:09,134

you're doing everything right.

: 1096

00:52:09,134 --> 00:52:11,564

You feel like you're carrying

this big weight and you're

: 1097

00:52:11,564 --> 00:52:13,124

like, wait, I'm suppo as a man.

: 1098

00:52:13,124 --> 00:52:14,594

I'm supposed to provide for my family.

: 1099

00:52:14,594 --> 00:52:15,464

I'm protecting them.

: 1100

00:52:15,464 --> 00:52:16,514

I'm creating for him.

: 1101

00:52:16,964 --> 00:52:19,394

And, it just never felt

like it could be enough.

: 1102

00:52:19,424 --> 00:52:23,894

Like when you talk to someone making

$165,000 a year and they tell you,

: 1103

00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:27,584

Jason, like the dude was almost

crying in my first conversation,

: 1104

00:52:27,584 --> 00:52:28,664

first time I ever met him.

: 1105

00:52:29,054 --> 00:52:31,544

And he is like, sometimes I just

want to go hide in the closet.

: 1106

00:52:31,864 --> 00:52:32,284

Dave Conley: Hmm.

: 1107

00:52:32,644 --> 00:52:33,184

All right.

: 1108

00:52:33,274 --> 00:52:37,354

Ja, Justin, where, so what I, heard

from, you know, Jeremy's agreeing,

: 1109

00:52:37,354 --> 00:52:40,744

Jason saying, no trust, for your family.

: 1110

00:52:40,744 --> 00:52:42,124

No trust for your communities.

: 1111

00:52:42,124 --> 00:52:44,674

No trust for academia,

no trust for government.

: 1112

00:52:44,724 --> 00:52:46,284

don't rely on them for anything.

: 1113

00:52:46,284 --> 00:52:47,574

It's all on you.

: 1114

00:52:47,574 --> 00:52:49,404

So where, do you fall on that, Justin?

: 1115

00:52:50,404 --> 00:52:52,859

Justin Meyers: And can you, put

that in the question format?

: 1116

00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:53,629

Dave Conley: Yeah.

: 1117

00:52:53,739 --> 00:52:59,889

What we've heard over and over again,

is, is that when we're looking at, work,

: 1118

00:53:00,209 --> 00:53:07,689

in: 2030

over again from, many of the, people.

: 1119

00:53:07,689 --> 00:53:12,459

And again, today I've heard this, which is

like the only person you can trust and the

: 1120

00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,819

only person that you can rely on is you.

: 1121

00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,619

That there is no responsibility

for, government, there's no

: 1122

00:53:20,619 --> 00:53:22,509

responsibility for communities.

: 1123

00:53:22,509 --> 00:53:24,429

You cannot rely on your family.

: 1124

00:53:24,429 --> 00:53:27,219

You cannot rely on anybody else.

: 1125

00:53:27,369 --> 00:53:29,109

So it's all on you.

: 1126

00:53:29,439 --> 00:53:33,249

All of this work on ai, all the things

that are changing all of the, the,

: 1127

00:53:33,279 --> 00:53:37,669

the, the mess that we're in, that maybe

it was created by those institutions.

: 1128

00:53:37,669 --> 00:53:41,689

Maybe it was created by your communities,

but doesn't matter, it's only you.

: 1129

00:53:41,779 --> 00:53:43,219

So what do you think about that?

: 1130

00:53:44,219 --> 00:53:48,769

Justin Meyers: Yeah, so I would

lean on the side of, a green as

: 1131

00:53:48,769 --> 00:53:53,659

well because we, we could only save

ourselves at the end of the day.

: 1132

00:53:53,659 --> 00:53:55,219

No one's gonna come save us.

: 1133

00:53:55,219 --> 00:53:58,099

you could lead a horse to water,

but you can't force 'em to drink.

: 1134

00:53:58,099 --> 00:54:04,289

We have YouTube University, which trumps

any, college degree you can possibly get.

: 1135

00:54:04,799 --> 00:54:09,419

And with AI you can become an expert

almost in anything in rapid time,

: 1136

00:54:09,419 --> 00:54:11,459

faster than any time in history.

: 1137

00:54:11,669 --> 00:54:12,089

So.

: 1138

00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:17,049

With access to information and

knowledge being abundant right

: 1139

00:54:17,049 --> 00:54:21,379

now, you have the tools to be able

to really make a lot of money.

: 1140

00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,439

And like Jerremy said, you have to

have all these different streams of

: 1141

00:54:24,439 --> 00:54:27,859

income passive, and you don't have

all of your eggs in one basket,

: 1142

00:54:27,859 --> 00:54:29,899

especially in this evolving economy.

: 1143

00:54:30,179 --> 00:54:34,709

so I would tend to lean on the side of

you have to save yourself and then you

: 1144

00:54:34,709 --> 00:54:36,389

can help others, once you save yourself.

: 1145

00:54:37,389 --> 00:54:39,549

But it's like the analogy on the airplane.

: 1146

00:54:39,789 --> 00:54:43,719

If it's about to go down, you have to

give yourself air before you can give even

: 1147

00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,279

your kid air because you can't help them.

: 1148

00:54:45,819 --> 00:54:46,109

Dave Conley: Okay.

: 1149

00:54:46,904 --> 00:54:49,004

Jason Sipple: Yeah, the, I learned

that lesson becoming a lifeguard.

: 1150

00:54:49,004 --> 00:54:49,754

I'll never forget it.

: 1151

00:54:49,754 --> 00:54:53,984

I was 15 years old becoming a lifeguard,

and the guy I was supposed to be

: 1152

00:54:53,984 --> 00:54:56,144

rescuing, I was about a hundred almost.

: 1153

00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:59,369

160 pounds, maybe five,

ten, a hundred sixty.

: 1154

00:54:59,579 --> 00:55:02,189

And the guy I was rescuing

was our middle linebacker.

: 1155

00:55:02,189 --> 00:55:05,819

He weighed about 215

pounds, was like six one.

: 1156

00:55:06,149 --> 00:55:09,179

And his lesson was to

grab me and pull me down.

: 1157

00:55:09,299 --> 00:55:09,719

Right?

: 1158

00:55:09,989 --> 00:55:12,719

And you learn right away as a le

lifeguard, when your hand's on

: 1159

00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:17,429

you, if you can't save that person,

'cause they're attacking you.

: 1160

00:55:17,434 --> 00:55:20,789

You have to get off of them,

get release, and save yourself.

: 1161

00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:24,689

Because if they're gonna drag you down,

you don't want two people drowning.

: 1162

00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,049

Right?

: 1163

00:55:25,049 --> 00:55:27,239

Same point Justin's

making on the airplane.

: 1164

00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:28,829

You have to save yourself.

: 1165

00:55:28,829 --> 00:55:31,949

You have to take responsibility and

radical responsibility, and then action.

: 1166

00:55:32,669 --> 00:55:35,789

Like take ownership of whatever's

happening and then go forward.

: 1167

00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:37,079

Dave Conley: Okay.

: 1168

00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,939

Jerremy Newsome: So getting into

the lightning round, you guys

: 1169

00:55:40,939 --> 00:55:43,604

have been and listened to enough

podcasts, know how these work.

: 1170

00:55:44,604 --> 00:55:52,834

So if you could force every

parent to watch one 62nd video

: 1171

00:55:52,834 --> 00:55:54,424

about what's actually coming,

: 1172

00:55:55,229 --> 00:55:55,499

Jason Sipple: Hmm.

: 1173

00:55:55,744 --> 00:55:58,414

Jerremy Newsome: what would be the

video if you already have it, or

: 1174

00:55:58,414 --> 00:56:00,514

what would that video at least show?

: 1175

00:56:01,444 --> 00:56:02,524

Let's start with Jason first.

: 1176

00:56:03,524 --> 00:56:05,144

Jason Sipple: Oh man, I

can't defer to Justin.

: 1177

00:56:05,144 --> 00:56:07,739

I don't have a 62nd video for this, 62nd.

: 1178

00:56:08,739 --> 00:56:12,484

I've been looking how to put together

all the systems and processes

: 1179

00:56:12,484 --> 00:56:13,804

and simplify everything, man.

: 1180

00:56:13,804 --> 00:56:17,764

I want things simple like my last

name where I can just, where I can

: 1181

00:56:17,764 --> 00:56:20,794

look at it and say, Hey, how can

we teach our kids how to think?

: 1182

00:56:20,794 --> 00:56:23,854

How can we, well, how's

the 62nd video would be?

: 1183

00:56:24,854 --> 00:56:26,054

Pick where you're going.

: 1184

00:56:26,054 --> 00:56:28,304

Have your destination with your family.

: 1185

00:56:28,784 --> 00:56:33,764

Understand what you guys stand for,

what you stand against, and, know that

: 1186

00:56:33,764 --> 00:56:37,124

you can build the systems and processes

and have all the tools for whatever

: 1187

00:56:37,124 --> 00:56:40,124

you dream, and it's all possible.

: 1188

00:56:40,274 --> 00:56:42,794

So it's time to reset and

decide where you're going.

: 1189

00:56:42,794 --> 00:56:43,994

Be the captain of your own ship.

: 1190

00:56:44,584 --> 00:56:46,564

Jerremy Newsome: It is a good

62nd video for you to make, Jason.

: 1191

00:56:46,564 --> 00:56:47,284

I totally agree.

: 1192

00:56:47,944 --> 00:56:48,304

Love

: 1193

00:56:48,314 --> 00:56:48,584

Jason Sipple: go.

: 1194

00:56:48,724 --> 00:56:49,654

Jerremy Newsome: Justin,

what about you, man?

: 1195

00:56:49,654 --> 00:56:52,744

What 62nd video have you already

watched, or which one would you create?

: 1196

00:56:52,744 --> 00:56:55,594

Which one would you share with

every parent about what's coming?

: 1197

00:56:56,594 --> 00:56:58,829

Justin Meyers: So I, have a

great one that I'll go to.

: 1198

00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:00,479

It has a great quote.

: 1199

00:57:00,509 --> 00:57:01,679

It goes tough times.

: 1200

00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:02,849

Create strong men.

: 1201

00:57:02,849 --> 00:57:04,769

Strong men create easy times.

: 1202

00:57:04,769 --> 00:57:05,489

Easy times.

: 1203

00:57:05,489 --> 00:57:06,449

Create weak men.

: 1204

00:57:06,689 --> 00:57:08,489

Weak men create tough times.

: 1205

00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:11,589

you know, I walked 10 miles to school.

: 1206

00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:12,939

My son walked five.

: 1207

00:57:12,969 --> 00:57:15,849

His son drove in a Cadillac, his son.

: 1208

00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,429

After that, my grandson

drove into Mercedes.

: 1209

00:57:18,659 --> 00:57:22,409

his grandson will be in a Ferrari,

and then the next one will be walking.

: 1210

00:57:23,409 --> 00:57:24,514

Jerremy Newsome: It's

a powerful video, man.

: 1211

00:57:24,694 --> 00:57:26,434

Yeah, that's, that's

always stood out to me.

: 1212

00:57:26,644 --> 00:57:28,564

It's one of the reasons why I,

like, one of my ethos is always

: 1213

00:57:28,564 --> 00:57:32,994

do hard things, 'cause not to,

remind myself how easy my life is.

: 1214

00:57:33,994 --> 00:57:35,434

Because of the choices that I've made.

: 1215

00:57:35,434 --> 00:57:37,754

I choose to do the hard, things.

: 1216

00:57:37,844 --> 00:57:41,414

Like right now I'm doing six miles every

day and I'm gonna do seven miles every

: 1217

00:57:41,414 --> 00:57:45,254

day May, and then eight miles every

day in June and so on and so forth.

: 1218

00:57:45,254 --> 00:57:47,924

And I'm gonna do a 50 mile

hike on my birthday for 38.

: 1219

00:57:48,614 --> 00:57:54,114

So it's like myself that I can choose my

hard, it doesn't have to happen to me.

: 1220

00:57:54,504 --> 00:57:56,424

It can, and it did for a very, long time.

: 1221

00:57:56,424 --> 00:57:58,224

But I need, I need to shift that.

: 1222

00:57:58,314 --> 00:58:02,154

I needed to shift things happening

to me to eventually one day I'll

: 1223

00:58:02,154 --> 00:58:06,024

get to the point where things can

happen through me, I'm not there yet.

: 1224

00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:08,154

Right now, I'm still in the

point where things happen for

: 1225

00:58:08,154 --> 00:58:09,414

me and it's always a gift.

: 1226

00:58:09,414 --> 00:58:10,374

It's always beautiful.

: 1227

00:58:10,734 --> 00:58:15,854

But it does absolutely, create a,

recognition pattern that we can

: 1228

00:58:16,214 --> 00:58:20,834

ultimately, especially as parents, give

our children adversity they can handle.

: 1229

00:58:21,164 --> 00:58:25,874

And if we do that, it would start helping

and shifting that, creating tough times.

: 1230

00:58:25,874 --> 00:58:28,004

'cause life can be easy and

you can still give your kids.

: 1231

00:58:28,349 --> 00:58:30,539

These massive obstacles that

they have to overcome, that are

: 1232

00:58:30,539 --> 00:58:32,609

safe and that are okay for them.

: 1233

00:58:33,609 --> 00:58:35,049

Justin, you know a lot about this.

: 1234

00:58:35,949 --> 00:58:40,569

the gig economy liberation or a trap?

: 1235

00:58:41,539 --> 00:58:41,759

Jason Sipple: Hmm.

: 1236

00:58:42,759 --> 00:58:43,904

Justin Meyers: That's a good question.

: 1237

00:58:43,954 --> 00:58:44,404

would say.

: 1238

00:58:45,404 --> 00:58:49,544

It's not a, I think it's something

good to be useful at multiple different

: 1239

00:58:49,544 --> 00:58:53,244

things, especially if, you could build

a website for somebody in a day and

: 1240

00:58:53,244 --> 00:58:56,964

charge, you know, some money and earn

off of that and do a really good job.

: 1241

00:58:56,964 --> 00:59:02,024

Or you could set up text automations for

them and, you know, build out funnels

: 1242

00:59:02,024 --> 00:59:04,984

for them or, help with, their podcasting.

: 1243

00:59:04,984 --> 00:59:09,414

Like if you offer those four services,

it's hard to say it's a, you know, just

: 1244

00:59:09,414 --> 00:59:13,774

a gig, because you're gonna have to have

multiple streams of revenue and be able

: 1245

00:59:13,774 --> 00:59:19,084

to provide multiple value ads, especially

to businesses when they can just go use AI

: 1246

00:59:19,084 --> 00:59:20,704

to do a lot of these things on their own.

: 1247

00:59:21,704 --> 00:59:22,004

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1248

00:59:22,004 --> 00:59:22,664

What about you, Jason?

: 1249

00:59:22,664 --> 00:59:23,684

What about the gig economy?

: 1250

00:59:23,684 --> 00:59:24,884

Trap or liberation?

: 1251

00:59:25,684 --> 00:59:26,979

Jason Sipple: Depends on your mindset.

: 1252

00:59:27,979 --> 00:59:29,664

It completely depends on your mindset.

: 1253

00:59:29,664 --> 00:59:34,714

If you, it, could be an absolute trap

if you believe doing more, working

: 1254

00:59:34,714 --> 00:59:37,804

harder, and doing that unless you

have a reason you're doing it and

: 1255

00:59:37,804 --> 00:59:41,514

you have a timeframe and a plan it,

could be either, just depends on

: 1256

00:59:41,514 --> 00:59:45,084

what side you're on that are you in a

scarce mindset or an abundant mindset?

: 1257

00:59:46,084 --> 00:59:47,579

Jerremy Newsome: Perception is reality.

: 1258

00:59:48,249 --> 00:59:48,819

I love it.

: 1259

00:59:49,029 --> 00:59:49,569

I love it.

: 1260

00:59:49,629 --> 00:59:50,169

All right.

: 1261

00:59:51,169 --> 00:59:52,519

Justin, finish this sentence.

: 1262

00:59:52,579 --> 00:59:56,779

The thing large employers know

about AI and headcount that

: 1263

00:59:56,779 --> 00:59:59,569

they'll never say publicly is.

: 1264

01:00:00,569 --> 01:00:04,464

Justin Meyers: I am gonna reduce my

head count and implement AI and robots,

: 1265

01:00:04,554 --> 01:00:06,049

and I don't tell the people yet.

: 1266

01:00:07,049 --> 01:00:07,469

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1267

01:00:08,469 --> 01:00:08,979

Yep.

: 1268

01:00:09,189 --> 01:00:09,759

Good answer.

: 1269

01:00:10,059 --> 01:00:10,539

Good answer.

: 1270

01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:12,129

All right, Jason, your turn

to finish this sentence.

: 1271

01:00:12,129 --> 01:00:17,409

The moment most Americans realize they've

been last in line for their own money is

: 1272

01:00:18,409 --> 01:00:23,839

Jason Sipple: Is when they understand

the power of banking is when they,

: 1273

01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:29,059

when for me, it's been when somebody

gets to the point where they can't,

: 1274

01:00:29,669 --> 01:00:33,569

can't figure out a way forward, they

can't work harder, they can't make

: 1275

01:00:33,569 --> 01:00:37,529

more money in their mind, they don't

have any more resourcefulness, right?

: 1276

01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:41,459

So then they're like, okay, now I realize

that I'm last in line for my money.

: 1277

01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:43,349

When they see their pattern, Jerremy.

: 1278

01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:46,319

Jerremy Newsome: sometimes I gotta

just help someone else see it.

: 1279

01:00:47,319 --> 01:00:47,679

Yeah.

: 1280

01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:49,669

Love it gentlemen.

: 1281

01:00:49,669 --> 01:00:50,179

Thank you.

: 1282

01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:55,999

Thanks for the very fast, very quick

hour and some change discussion panel

: 1283

01:00:55,999 --> 01:01:02,959

style podcast to get two remarkable

cerebral pyromaniac to come together and

: 1284

01:01:02,959 --> 01:01:05,599

share insight and tips and information.

: 1285

01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:08,689

And I know you all already know this,

but for all of our listeners, really the

: 1286

01:01:08,689 --> 01:01:14,449

goal for me is to listen, to understand,

to get ideas and to get solutions to

: 1287

01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:18,649

challenges and problems that this country

and that the Americans of this country

: 1288

01:01:18,649 --> 01:01:22,939

are gonna go through not only today, but

in the future, and to get real world.

: 1289

01:01:23,939 --> 01:01:26,699

solutions that people can pass down,

that they can use, that they can speed

: 1290

01:01:26,699 --> 01:01:30,089

up, that they can increase, that we

can shift, and to continue to remind

: 1291

01:01:30,089 --> 01:01:35,159

myself of how important education

is and knowing how it's dramatically

: 1292

01:01:35,164 --> 01:01:35,654

Justin Meyers: There's

: 1293

01:01:35,789 --> 01:01:35,909

Jerremy Newsome: and

: 1294

01:01:36,379 --> 01:01:36,499

Justin Meyers: also.

: 1295

01:01:36,689 --> 01:01:39,089

Jerremy Newsome: life and my capabilities,

and just learning the right things

: 1296

01:01:39,089 --> 01:01:43,409

and understanding how to learn, and

understanding how to ask questions.

: 1297

01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:46,679

And Jason, you've been a big proponent

of helping me in that, so thank you.

: 1298

01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:49,389

And Justin, I appreciate you

always sharing insight and inviting

: 1299

01:01:49,389 --> 01:01:52,749

me to everything in Las Vegas

and keeping me in the network.

: 1300

01:01:53,739 --> 01:01:56,109

it's been an honor and I

wanna appreciate your time.

: 1301

01:01:56,109 --> 01:01:59,229

Before we go, feel free to share

with all of our listeners, where

: 1302

01:01:59,229 --> 01:02:02,049

can people find more information

about you, what you teach, and what

: 1303

01:02:02,049 --> 01:02:03,549

value you create for the world.

: 1304

01:02:03,549 --> 01:02:04,779

Justin Myers, you go first.

: 1305

01:02:05,779 --> 01:02:06,069

Justin Meyers: Yeah.

: 1306

01:02:06,184 --> 01:02:07,654

Thanks guys for having me on.

: 1307

01:02:07,654 --> 01:02:08,374

This was fun.

: 1308

01:02:08,504 --> 01:02:12,224

finance guy, Justin on

Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn.

: 1309

01:02:12,564 --> 01:02:13,764

feel free to reach out.

: 1310

01:02:13,913 --> 01:02:15,054

Eva fi.ai

: 1311

01:02:15,054 --> 01:02:16,324

is a platform we're working on.

: 1312

01:02:17,324 --> 01:02:17,984

Jerremy Newsome: Thank you, sir.

: 1313

01:02:17,984 --> 01:02:19,514

And Jason Sipple, what about you?

: 1314

01:02:19,514 --> 01:02:19,994

My brother?

: 1315

01:02:20,994 --> 01:02:21,174

Jason Sipple: No.

: 1316

01:02:21,174 --> 01:02:21,744

Amazing.

: 1317

01:02:21,744 --> 01:02:26,184

Thank you for first of all, for having me,

both you, Dave, Justin, nice to meet you.

: 1318

01:02:26,214 --> 01:02:27,234

Now I know where to find you.

: 1319

01:02:27,234 --> 01:02:30,234

I will follow you, learn more about

what you're up to in the world.

: 1320

01:02:30,234 --> 01:02:32,814

You can find me just in

my name, jason sipple.com.

: 1321

01:02:32,904 --> 01:02:34,734

It's on my YouTube channels, the same.

: 1322

01:02:35,094 --> 01:02:36,624

You can find me all

kinds of places, Jerremy.

: 1323

01:02:37,624 --> 01:02:38,644

Jerremy Newsome: You're, you're findable.

: 1324

01:02:38,704 --> 01:02:39,004

You're

: 1325

01:02:39,419 --> 01:02:39,689

Jason Sipple: I'm fine.

: 1326

01:02:39,754 --> 01:02:40,413

am findable.

: 1327

01:02:40,413 --> 01:02:44,494

I gave you guys my link, but you can

find our family, GPS as well helps

: 1328

01:02:44,494 --> 01:02:46,054

you create your family constitution.

: 1329

01:02:46,054 --> 01:02:49,054

So, know, depending on what you're

trying to do, reach out to me.

: 1330

01:02:49,479 --> 01:02:50,739

Jerremy Newsome: Thank you so much.

: 1331

01:02:50,739 --> 01:02:51,549

I appreciate your time.

: 1332

01:02:51,549 --> 01:02:52,538

Jason, you're the man.

: 1333

01:02:52,569 --> 01:02:53,349

Thank you Justin.

: 1334

01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:54,519

Thanks so much for your time, Dylan.

: 1335

01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:54,549

I

: 1336

01:02:55,294 --> 01:02:55,804

Jason Sipple: you guys.

: 1337

01:02:56,354 --> 01:02:56,984

Justin Meyers: Have a good day.

: 1338

01:02:57,074 --> 01:02:57,284

Bye.

: 1339

01:02:58,284 --> 01:03:01,284

Jerremy Newsome: Well, I mean, shout

outs to, I like shout outs to Justin

: 1340

01:03:01,284 --> 01:03:03,974

being quick, being fast, being succinct.

: 1341

01:03:04,604 --> 01:03:09,944

I'm always working on brevity and he's

young man, I mean young, mid twenties

: 1342

01:03:09,944 --> 01:03:12,314

entrepreneur doing things, which is cool.

: 1343

01:03:12,854 --> 01:03:16,484

So it is good to see that there's, I

mean, just randomly met 'em in Vegas.

: 1344

01:03:16,544 --> 01:03:17,894

It's nice to.

: 1345

01:03:18,894 --> 01:03:23,084

I guess be comforted and and aware that

the young generation, whatever that

: 1346

01:03:23,084 --> 01:03:26,834

generation's called, the 25 year olds of

the world are doing things or grinding

: 1347

01:03:26,834 --> 01:03:32,144

things or understanding or building, are

aware that there's, there is a giant tidal

: 1348

01:03:32,144 --> 01:03:33,794

wave of change and opportunity coming

: 1349

01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:34,360

Dave Conley: Yeah.

: 1350

01:03:34,934 --> 01:03:35,413

Jerremy Newsome: and.

: 1351

01:03:36,374 --> 01:03:40,409

I love what Jason said about,

it's all, it, it is all mindset.

: 1352

01:03:40,469 --> 01:03:41,489

in a big, way.

: 1353

01:03:41,489 --> 01:03:45,899

It's an understanding, the knowing

and a reckoning and awareness of

: 1354

01:03:45,899 --> 01:03:50,038

where, why, when, how, and most

specifically, the how, right?

: 1355

01:03:50,038 --> 01:03:52,379

Because the win can be

tomorrow, it can be today.

: 1356

01:03:52,769 --> 01:03:54,479

It's not gonna be one

day, it should be Monday.

: 1357

01:03:54,479 --> 01:03:55,288

It shouldn't be Sunday.

: 1358

01:03:55,288 --> 01:03:56,099

It should be Sunday.

: 1359

01:03:56,489 --> 01:03:59,394

That's, that's the awareness

and to shift into that.

: 1360

01:04:00,394 --> 01:04:01,924

I also am on the caliber.

: 1361

01:04:01,954 --> 01:04:06,304

I would love for government

agencies to do more to help.

: 1362

01:04:06,514 --> 01:04:12,114

but I don't trust in that power

to actually create a meaningful

: 1363

01:04:12,114 --> 01:04:16,404

assistance for a large group of

individuals, at least right now.

: 1364

01:04:16,714 --> 01:04:17,794

that's sustainable.

: 1365

01:04:18,184 --> 01:04:22,174

So interesting that we have

the UBI conversation coming up.

: 1366

01:04:22,174 --> 01:04:23,134

Dude, that's gonna be really.

: 1367

01:04:24,109 --> 01:04:25,129

Really fun for me.

: 1368

01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:26,869

I'm super jacked about that.

: 1369

01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:29,959

and yeah, man, I also learned

that we, we are right.

: 1370

01:04:30,709 --> 01:04:35,029

There's so many people that we interviewed

where the deal that they received that

: 1371

01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:38,569

they went into knowingly did not work.

: 1372

01:04:38,989 --> 01:04:43,524

And it's people from all ages,

all backgrounds, all religious

: 1373

01:04:43,524 --> 01:04:45,259

beliefs all over the country.

: 1374

01:04:45,875 --> 01:04:46,445

Dave Conley: Yeah.

: 1375

01:04:46,729 --> 01:04:47,689

Jerremy Newsome: They're like, no, bro.

: 1376

01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:48,619

It changed.

: 1377

01:04:48,649 --> 01:04:52,309

It massively changed, and

there's a lot more that we have

: 1378

01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:53,239

to do, and there's a lot more.

: 1379

01:04:53,239 --> 01:05:00,359

That is, it is happening to us

presently, and we need as a nation

: 1380

01:05:00,779 --> 01:05:05,639

and a community and an online tribe

to start shifting it into the, it

: 1381

01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:07,259

is happening more for us as well.

: 1382

01:05:07,665 --> 01:05:08,025

Dave Conley: Hmm.

: 1383

01:05:09,025 --> 01:05:09,745

Hmm.

: 1384

01:05:10,509 --> 01:05:12,069

Jerremy Newsome: What'd you learn DC.

: 1385

01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:16,129

Dave Conley: I love that we have so

many conversations about choice, right?

: 1386

01:05:16,229 --> 01:05:19,739

torked my glasses earlier this

morning, and so I walked over to

: 1387

01:05:19,739 --> 01:05:22,099

the, eyeglass place, which is just

down the street, and I'm like.

: 1388

01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:23,749

Help me, here.

: 1389

01:05:23,749 --> 01:05:25,619

I need to, see, like fix this.

: 1390

01:05:26,619 --> 01:05:29,199

But as I was, waiting there,

there was this, young guy and,

: 1391

01:05:29,269 --> 01:05:34,569

had a, few, friends with him and

he was, not nice to the people.

: 1392

01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:36,699

I mean like really not nice.

: 1393

01:05:36,833 --> 01:05:37,253

Jerremy Newsome: Mm-hmm.

: 1394

01:05:37,689 --> 01:05:39,609

Dave Conley: He was like, wear my glasses.

: 1395

01:05:39,609 --> 01:05:42,219

I did this two weeks ago and.

: 1396

01:05:42,994 --> 01:05:48,663

the woman was, was kind and said, Hey,

like we're coming with UPS, and he kept

: 1397

01:05:48,663 --> 01:05:55,114

going and I, started laughing and the,

kid shot me a dirty look and, left.

: 1398

01:05:56,114 --> 01:05:59,104

I, looked at the, woman and I'm

like, man, I think one, I think

: 1399

01:05:59,104 --> 01:06:01,954

everybody should be in a service

job, like I waited tables and,

: 1400

01:06:01,998 --> 01:06:02,328

Jerremy Newsome: dude.

: 1401

01:06:02,873 --> 01:06:03,113

Mandatory.

: 1402

01:06:03,604 --> 01:06:05,974

Dave Conley: You, you have to,

I mean, that and or military

: 1403

01:06:05,974 --> 01:06:07,174

service or both of them.

: 1404

01:06:07,174 --> 01:06:08,644

Like you, you gotta go and do this.

: 1405

01:06:08,644 --> 01:06:11,424

And she said, well, he's

a, like a bajillionaire.

: 1406

01:06:11,424 --> 01:06:13,734

He, he might, he made all this

money on, crypto and he's like,

: 1407

01:06:13,734 --> 01:06:15,144

18 years old, you can look him up.

: 1408

01:06:15,834 --> 01:06:24,224

And said, well, he's, he's choosing to, be

a, real ass and, And be because of that.

: 1409

01:06:24,294 --> 01:06:28,924

like it, the, UPS guy happened to

come in like 10 minutes later and they

: 1410

01:06:28,924 --> 01:06:31,654

were looking at me and I'm like, oh,

you're not gonna call him, are you?

: 1411

01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:35,714

And they're like, Hmm, we, have some

testing to do on this, eyeglasses.

: 1412

01:06:35,714 --> 01:06:37,784

It might be a couple of

days for us to get this.

: 1413

01:06:37,784 --> 01:06:39,104

And if he'd just been.

: 1414

01:06:39,499 --> 01:06:41,269

The slightest bit kind.

: 1415

01:06:41,659 --> 01:06:45,429

They would've been all, you know, you

would help, out anybody who was just

: 1416

01:06:45,429 --> 01:06:46,809

like the slightest bit kind to you.

: 1417

01:06:47,469 --> 01:06:48,579

And I'm like, man.

: 1418

01:06:48,579 --> 01:06:52,449

And he had friends with him, and

his friends weren't calling him out

: 1419

01:06:52,449 --> 01:06:53,769

saying, man, you're being an asshole.

: 1420

01:06:53,769 --> 01:06:55,839

And I'm like, well, they're,

they're not friends then.

: 1421

01:06:55,924 --> 01:07:00,294

like it's, and it's all about

choices and he's choosing to, bring

: 1422

01:07:00,294 --> 01:07:02,064

a little bit of pain to the world.

: 1423

01:07:02,064 --> 01:07:04,464

So I, hear that over and over again.

: 1424

01:07:04,464 --> 01:07:05,514

I heard it, I hear it from you.

: 1425

01:07:05,514 --> 01:07:07,384

I hear it from, uh, Jason and Justin.

: 1426

01:07:07,384 --> 01:07:08,644

It's like, these are, all choices.

: 1427

01:07:08,644 --> 01:07:12,844

There are a lot of things coming our

direction, and it's going to be on you,

: 1428

01:07:12,874 --> 01:07:15,244

on how you're going to, experience that.

: 1429

01:07:15,269 --> 01:07:18,219

You can experience it as a, positive

thing or you can experience it as a

: 1430

01:07:18,219 --> 01:07:21,999

negative thing, and there's so many

opportunities and, you can reframe

: 1431

01:07:21,999 --> 01:07:24,069

your brain on, a lot of this and.

: 1432

01:07:24,078 --> 01:07:24,368

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1433

01:07:25,368 --> 01:07:28,548

Dave Conley: The other thing I learned is

that I feel like I'm in a real minority,

: 1434

01:07:28,578 --> 01:07:35,148

and can't wrap my head around it because

it feels so dark and so bleak to say no.

: 1435

01:07:35,178 --> 01:07:42,338

Your community, your family, your,

your, schools, your governments, they.

: 1436

01:07:42,608 --> 01:07:47,138

They are not only off the hook, you

can't trust them and don't give them any

: 1437

01:07:47,138 --> 01:07:48,998

responsibility because they're terrible.

: 1438

01:07:49,028 --> 01:07:54,158

And I'm like, whoa, that is, that

feels so dark and so bleak to me

: 1439

01:07:54,158 --> 01:08:00,128

because I know that if the moment,

the moment I'm in crisis, there

: 1440

01:08:00,128 --> 01:08:03,878

are like four phone calls that I'm

going to immediately make for texts.

: 1441

01:08:03,878 --> 01:08:04,623

That are gonna go out.

: 1442

01:08:04,623 --> 01:08:07,623

It's gonna go out to my family, it's

gonna go out to you, it's gonna go out

: 1443

01:08:07,623 --> 01:08:11,703

to Robin, it's gonna go out to my sister,

and it's gonna go out to my brother Joe.

: 1444

01:08:12,003 --> 01:08:13,353

Those are the four people.

: 1445

01:08:13,503 --> 01:08:15,903

I mean, that moment, like when crisis hits

: 1446

01:08:16,282 --> 01:08:16,572

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1447

01:08:16,983 --> 01:08:19,863

Dave Conley: it feels

like that so many people.

: 1448

01:08:20,278 --> 01:08:23,728

The people today are saying, yeah,

don't trust that it's really on you.

: 1449

01:08:23,788 --> 01:08:26,818

And that just feels dark to me,

and I, don't, I don't know what

: 1450

01:08:26,818 --> 01:08:29,808

to do with that yet because that

feels almost like the crisis that

: 1451

01:08:29,808 --> 01:08:31,247

I would be calling you guys about.

: 1452

01:08:32,247 --> 01:08:34,468

Jerremy Newsome: Well, I'll say

this, I think, and again, it could

: 1453

01:08:34,468 --> 01:08:36,118

be maybe a definition of community.

: 1454

01:08:36,118 --> 01:08:42,627

I kinda feel like that's more family or

friend circles to rely on for assistance

: 1455

01:08:42,627 --> 01:08:50,957

or help versus, connection, or love versus

like giving the government the ability to.

: 1456

01:08:51,957 --> 01:08:56,408

Provide and take care

of people's wellbeing.

: 1457

01:08:56,408 --> 01:09:01,247

I mean, like, just take the va, like as

like a microcosm of like, Hey, you should

: 1458

01:09:01,247 --> 01:09:06,138

be taking care of all these people that

you forced and you caused them to go to.

: 1459

01:09:06,198 --> 01:09:07,758

They didn't like, yeah, let's go to war.

: 1460

01:09:07,848 --> 01:09:09,288

Let's go blow some people up and shoot.

: 1461

01:09:09,288 --> 01:09:13,368

Some people they didn't wanna do that,

like training and protecting and like.

: 1462

01:09:13,952 --> 01:09:18,133

Forging or something like that's one

thing, but like going to war all the

: 1463

01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:25,993

time and then just letting 'em hang

out there and, giving 'em a system

: 1464

01:09:25,993 --> 01:09:29,563

that does kind of work, but also kind

of not, but sometimes, not really.

: 1465

01:09:30,042 --> 01:09:32,383

It depends on who you ask,

maybe does, maybe doesn't.

: 1466

01:09:32,712 --> 01:09:36,493

I think it's just a microcosm of

the unfortunate truth where the

: 1467

01:09:36,493 --> 01:09:38,173

big, players of this country.

: 1468

01:09:38,893 --> 01:09:41,683

I don't think they care as

much as they want people.

: 1469

01:09:41,683 --> 01:09:47,513

People might think they do, and I also

just haven't maybe again, personally

: 1470

01:09:47,513 --> 01:09:52,582

ever been quote unquote embraced

by a community of like individuals.

: 1471

01:09:53,408 --> 01:09:57,638

In the space that I've lived in,

maybe my community of people that

: 1472

01:09:57,638 --> 01:10:00,428

I connect with and people that I

love and care about, absolutely.

: 1473

01:10:00,428 --> 01:10:02,558

But just the general individuals.

: 1474

01:10:02,558 --> 01:10:06,668

Like random example here at our

house, we've sent out cookies and

: 1475

01:10:06,668 --> 01:10:09,758

presents and prizes and like just

things around to the neighbors.

: 1476

01:10:10,758 --> 01:10:13,098

We're the only ones dude, and they're

like, like, Hey, you wanna come

: 1477

01:10:13,098 --> 01:10:14,298

over to our house and like hang out?

: 1478

01:10:14,298 --> 01:10:15,648

It's like we're the only ones doing that.

: 1479

01:10:16,098 --> 01:10:17,298

No one else is doing that.

: 1480

01:10:18,288 --> 01:10:21,948

It's like where, where does the, where

does the care for the physical community

: 1481

01:10:21,948 --> 01:10:23,208

that that's probably a good term for it.

: 1482

01:10:23,208 --> 01:10:24,048

Physical community.

: 1483

01:10:24,048 --> 01:10:29,758

Like where does that lay and where did

that go and where did that leave us?

: 1484

01:10:29,788 --> 01:10:35,558

'cause now if you have like a block party

or a end of the road culdesac party,

: 1485

01:10:35,989 --> 01:10:36,189

Dave Conley: Yeah.

: 1486

01:10:36,338 --> 01:10:38,258

Jerremy Newsome: everyone's

on their phones anyway.

: 1487

01:10:38,258 --> 01:10:39,818

It's maybe an hour.

: 1488

01:10:40,643 --> 01:10:41,093

You.

: 1489

01:10:41,093 --> 01:10:43,583

Everyone has to get drunk

to talk to each other.

: 1490

01:10:43,883 --> 01:10:45,023

Everyone's busy.

: 1491

01:10:45,053 --> 01:10:46,103

it's just, it's weird.

: 1492

01:10:46,103 --> 01:10:48,143

But that's the thing is like

it, if you think about it, it's

: 1493

01:10:48,143 --> 01:10:48,983

not happening like it does.

: 1494

01:10:48,983 --> 01:10:50,273

I mean, does it happen in your building?

: 1495

01:10:50,273 --> 01:10:52,643

Like did your building get

together and party a bunch and

: 1496

01:10:52,643 --> 01:10:53,843

hang out and have good events?

: 1497

01:10:54,099 --> 01:10:56,949

Dave Conley: I mean, like, a little

bit, but that's, that's partially on me.

: 1498

01:10:57,049 --> 01:10:59,559

like my, sister's here and she's

already made like four or five friends

: 1499

01:10:59,589 --> 01:11:01,479

and she's found like great folks here.

: 1500

01:11:01,678 --> 01:11:01,968

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1501

01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:05,699

Dave Conley: and, that's, that's on me

not being a social and she's a, woman.

: 1502

01:11:05,699 --> 01:11:10,349

And, like I, have different

social skills, so I, yes.

: 1503

01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,129

And.

: 1504

01:11:12,129 --> 01:11:14,139

Like, it just makes my

heart hurt a little bit.

: 1505

01:11:14,139 --> 01:11:17,169

Like it feels dark, like it's a

little bit of a darkening of a soul.

: 1506

01:11:17,169 --> 01:11:20,139

And I, didn't want to

think that it was that bad.

: 1507

01:11:20,139 --> 01:11:21,279

And I'm like, oh God.

: 1508

01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:25,399

And, you, you know me for years now,

and like, I feel like I can be, I can

: 1509

01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,519

sound like a Debbie Downer, like when

we're talking about like, oh my God, the

: 1510

01:11:28,519 --> 01:11:32,629

economy, or oh my God, like the craziness

of the administration or, oh my God, so I.

: 1511

01:11:32,943 --> 01:11:34,324

I believe all of those things.

: 1512

01:11:34,324 --> 01:11:37,804

But I also believe in, sort of

the greater angels, I believe that

: 1513

01:11:37,804 --> 01:11:39,364

there's more good people than bad.

: 1514

01:11:39,364 --> 01:11:42,574

And I know that when people get in

community, and I know when people

: 1515

01:11:42,574 --> 01:11:46,443

get into corporations and academia,

I know they can look like they act

: 1516

01:11:46,443 --> 01:11:50,404

weird, but I also know that magic can

happen out of all of those things too.

: 1517

01:11:50,674 --> 01:11:54,814

I know that there are magic, there's

more good that happens out of

: 1518

01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:59,464

governments and communities and,

and, academia and, your, the schools.

: 1519

01:12:00,294 --> 01:12:00,714

groups.

: 1520

01:12:00,714 --> 01:12:05,894

I know that there, I want to, okay, I

want to believe that there's more good

: 1521

01:12:06,533 --> 01:12:06,863

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1522

01:12:07,004 --> 01:12:08,264

Dave Conley: bad and.

: 1523

01:12:09,084 --> 01:12:12,744

I, and I know that that's, that's why

I believe in, you and your work and

: 1524

01:12:12,744 --> 01:12:16,614

how we wanna change the world in this

because it, does need that change.

: 1525

01:12:16,644 --> 01:12:19,644

And it's going to happen through

government and community and people,

: 1526

01:12:19,644 --> 01:12:21,384

because we're made up of these

: 1527

01:12:21,593 --> 01:12:22,343

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, totally.

: 1528

01:12:22,674 --> 01:12:26,904

Dave Conley: if you get enough good in

the stew, then, like, it doesn't matter.

: 1529

01:12:26,954 --> 01:12:29,754

like the, bad, bad that's in

there, there's going to, like,

: 1530

01:12:29,754 --> 01:12:30,864

it's gonna, taste pretty good.

: 1531

01:12:30,924 --> 01:12:31,164

I,

: 1532

01:12:31,433 --> 01:12:31,763

Jerremy Newsome: Yep.

: 1533

01:12:31,884 --> 01:12:32,274

Dave Conley: I'm.

: 1534

01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,369

it's just, it's, I'm

gonna, I'm gonna learn

: 1535

01:12:35,533 --> 01:12:36,253

Jerremy Newsome: I don't think they,

: 1536

01:12:36,299 --> 01:12:37,049

Dave Conley: do UPI.

: 1537

01:12:37,513 --> 01:12:37,993

Jerremy Newsome: bro.

: 1538

01:12:37,993 --> 01:12:39,793

I was about to say Hoby.

: 1539

01:12:39,823 --> 01:12:41,952

I think this UBI thing is gonna be,

: 1540

01:12:42,324 --> 01:12:42,674

Dave Conley: right.

: 1541

01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:43,663

Jerremy Newsome: revealer.

: 1542

01:12:44,663 --> 01:12:45,083

Dave Conley: Alright.

: 1543

01:12:45,083 --> 01:12:45,638

Wrap us up.

: 1544

01:12:46,162 --> 01:12:46,642

Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.

: 1545

01:12:46,672 --> 01:12:50,672

Well, ladies and gentlemen, boys

and girls, friends and family from

: 1546

01:12:50,672 --> 01:12:54,872

around the world, thank you so much

for listening to yet another episode

: 1547

01:12:54,872 --> 01:12:56,282

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: 1548

01:12:56,612 --> 01:13:00,992

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: 1549

01:13:01,022 --> 01:13:06,362

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: 1550

01:13:06,362 --> 01:13:10,262

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: 1551

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: 1552

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