Episode 149

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26th Dec 2025

AI & Biometrics vs. 26K Kids to Pedophiles: Fix Immigration Now (Full)

That 26,000 unaccompanied minors were released to cartel-linked pedophiles is the gut-punch nobody can unhear. Jerremy Alexander Newsome and Dave Conley go hard with David Williams (baby-products CEO who’s seen the trafficking fallout up close) and Steven Orr (ex-White House, AI fintech founder) on whether AI + biometrics can finally kill the chaos. Medieval paperwork, business carnage, media lies, human trafficking horror—nothing’s off limits. If you’re sick of the same talking points, this one hits different.

Timestamps:

  • (00:00) Medieval Systems, Modern Stakes – When immigration hits home
  • (00:55) Episode Overview – The stakes in 60 seconds
  • (01:04) Immigration System Challenges – Why it’s still stuck in the 1800s
  • (12:56) Human Trafficking Bombshell – The 26K kids stat that broke everyone
  • (18:58) AI & Biometrics Solutions – Can tech actually stop this?
  • (25:39) Legislation & Government Role – Why DC keeps failing
  • (45:25) Frustration with Illegal Immigration – Real talk, zero filter
  • (01:06:25) Private Sector Fixes – What companies can do when feds won’t
  • (01:14:14) Final Thoughts – Hope, rage, and next steps

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Transcript
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Solving America’s Problems — where Jerremy and Dave watched two CEOs who

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actually hire immigrants go at it over the single ugliest fact on the table.

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David Williams — the guy who sends 10% of every baby-product sale straight to

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anti-trafficking — dropped this: 26,000 unaccompanied kids crossed the border with

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notes pinned to their shirts that said “deliver to Uncle John in South Dakota”…

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and agents handed them to the exact pedophiles who’d already paid the cartels.

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Those kids are getting raped eight to ten times a day — right now.

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Steven Orr fired right back: that horror is 0.2% of crossings — torch the

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other 99.8% and tomorrow there’s nobody framing your house or picking your food.

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Both men demand AI and biometrics yesterday.

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They just can’t agree on who stays while the machines boot up…

Jerremy Newsome:

Dave, the people, our fans, the American public, they're

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desperate to know they're hungry.

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What are we discussing in this episode?

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In this week's episode of Solving America's Problems,

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we enter an immigration system.

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So medieval.

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It processes human lives at parchment speed.

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While outside its gates.

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A modern crisis explodes construction workers vanish from

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job sites hiding from ice rates.

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Legal immigrants bring physical photos to government offices to

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prove their marriages are real.

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These aren't statistics.

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They're fault lines running through every community, every business.

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Every family touched by America's most divisive issue, immigration.

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Today's guests bring solutions forged in experience, David Williams, CEO of four,

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humanity Baby products that dedicates 10% of every sale to ending human trafficking,

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including the 26,000 children coming into the US and Stephen Orr, CEO of Quasar

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Markets, and the big beat on Wall Street.

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Who navigated immigration policy from the White House and State Department to

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his own kitchen table where his wife's green card journey made it personal.

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And that's this week on solving America's problems, medieval systems, modern stakes.

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When immigration hits home with David Williams and Steven Orr.

Jerremy Newsome:

79% of Americans say immigration is good for our country.

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The highest number ever recorded yet 55% want immigration reduced,

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which is the highest since nine 11.

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How can both be true?

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Because we are trapped in a broken system that usually turns allies into enemies.

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I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom, alongside my cohost Dave Conley, and

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this is Solving America's Problems.

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Today Dave Williams joins us, a 30 year veteran of the baby products

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industry, whose company for humanity Baby products puts 10% of his company

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sales towards ending human trafficking.

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And Steven Big beat on Wall Street or from the White House

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and State Department to founding.

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Quasar markets.

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He has seen immigration policy from every angle.

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Dave Steven, welcome to the show.

David Williams:

Thank you.

David Williams:

Thank you.

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Pleasure to be here.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah,

Steven Orr:

Thanks Jerremy.

Jerremy Newsome:

yeah, of course.

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It's gonna be incredible.

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So Steven and Dave, what do you think the average American misunderstands

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about the immigration system based on your experience or knowledge?

Steven Orr:

Yeah, I'll start with this one.

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I think very simply put, when you ask the average American what is

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the foremost situation in their.

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Thinking and their forward view of the world.

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It's not about immigration, it's about economics.

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But when they get down into it, then they realize wait a minute,

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immigration affects economics.

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Wait a minute.

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I have a more deeper now understanding of the world because

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I have AI and the internet.

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And now I realize that my issue with my neighbor being from Mexico illegally is a

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whole different situation now that my, my now partner is from Ireland, or I'm now

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going overseas as a tourist to another country, and now I need another visa.

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The world is changing faster than I think most people's minds are.

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And what you're seeing is this anger towards unemployment,

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this anger I could do that job.

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Why is someone doing my job?

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And then when that job goes away to an immigrant, they're not happy about it.

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And then when we have harsh immigration policies like we do

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today, and we're sending them back.

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one's there to now do the job that they wanted them to do.

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So all of a sudden it's not a one little thing of send them back

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or I can't wait to get married to my partner from the country.

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It's becoming a more macro issue and I think people are having a

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harder time understanding that.

Jerremy Newsome:

And Dave, you're over in the Orange County

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area, which ironically, right?

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Steven is in Florida.

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Dave, you are in California.

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And the other Texas, right?

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Those are the three largest states in the us but also the ones that.

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Experience most immigration.

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What do you see being on the ground floor being relatively

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close to the LA and to the riots?

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That just happened not that long ago.

David Williams:

For me it's and I'm hearing the term immigration

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used synonymously with immigration and illegal immigration,

Jerremy Newsome:

I.

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I think there's two facets of that, that really

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have to be addressed independently.

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I'm all for immigration, 100%, and you wanna come to this country, you wanna live

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the dream, go ahead, bring it on, but do it legally because the rights that, ugh.

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We're being granted to people who cross the border illegally, who we

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don't have really any knowledge of what their background is and what

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their economic impact could be on the country in a positive manner.

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We're seeing them flood here and eat up resources.

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And we see crime that's out of control.

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We see overcrowding in cities that's out of control.

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I'm all for it.

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A hundred percent if you wanna come to this country, come

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do it, but do it legally.

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And there isn't another country in the world that's gonna let

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you come in there and just squat in and say, Hey, here I am, in.

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I've traveled internationally enough to know that if you don't have the

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right documentation going city to city you can be shown the exit door.

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I'm all for it, but just do it legally.

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Go through the proper channels.

Dave Conley:

So Steven, I think to those together.

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Hear you on the economics, like it's a huge driver and I know

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people are gonna be like, oh my God, suddenly there's inflation in

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areas that I don't even understand.

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And the reason might be that it's immigration related and people are

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gonna have a tough time connecting that.

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And then on the other side, particularly in the last four years, we've seen tens

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of millions of people at the border, which resulted in record numbers of

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people being released into the United States without really any sort of

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vetting, meaning we just don't know.

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Like we give you, a court date sometime in the future and be like, okay, enjoy.

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There's a safety aspect and an economic aspect.

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would you, do we even need to balance those things or

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what's the push pull there?

Steven Orr:

I think we do need a balance.

Steven Orr:

There's two things going on here, Dave, and that's a great question.

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if you look at the GDP of the United States, between 15 and 20% of it

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is levied by immigration itself.

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Whether those people are the ones who, as Elon Musk always says they're the ones

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that fuel the economy in the back end.

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When you look at, when Trump says bad hombres, and he talks about it from a

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legal standpoint of, oh, they're not coming in here illegally and it's, this

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is not right and we gotta vet every single person who comes into this country.

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That is not what this country was ever built on.

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It wasn't how we were started, it wasn't how we created the

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United States of America.

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We, put a poem from Emma Lazarus, on the Statue of Liberty, and

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they came into Ellis Island and said, we don't care what you are.

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Give us your tired, your masses.

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Give us all of 'em.

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We'll take 'em.

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And I said this earlier to you, Dave, is that, you know what's interesting?

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We probably would've lost both wars.

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World War I and two, had we not had a good immigration we let everybody in.

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It's when you put these internment camps like Japan we

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did that during World War ii.

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Didn't work out too well either.

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Are there bad people coming across the border?

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Yes, of course.

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Should we stop that?

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Should there be, I think the problem is not the fact of immigration or migration.

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In that aspect, I think the problem is enforcement, right?

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When you have a problem on the border, like in Mexico, and they're coming

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across and the cartels are coming across we're, it's this catch and release policy

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that has been in place for too long.

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It's not a catch and release.

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It should be.

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If you commit a crime, then you're out.

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And there is a whole process of immigration that we have to go through.

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My wife did it, my wife's from Ireland, she's from Belfast.

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She came in here on an F1 Visa worked visa too, and then, and all of a

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sudden she became the right way.

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But there is some stoppage to that.

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Some people can't afford the fees that go along with U-S-C-I-S

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right there are getting to the USCI, SS are not everywhere.

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We had to go ourselves.

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We live in dc We had to go to Virginia to go to U-S-C-I-S.

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It's not easy.

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The process isn't easy.

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It's not meant to be easy.

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But if you are having a problem right now with Trump saying as they're going

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to court or as they're going to the SCIS and the ICE raids are happening.

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How are they supposed to be?

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Get their green card, or if you have a green card and they're going

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back and now they're saying, even if you are a naturalized citizen,

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we'll still go back and check how you became a naturalized citizen.

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Those policies aren't making America greater.

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They're making America worse.

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And in my case, I look at it all the time and because they're not able to

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come here, they're going to Canada.

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Right now the immigration right now is nearly three times the size of the United

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States based on the latest numbers.

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And that's keeping the GDP of Canada over 3%.

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That's why they're not even complaining right now.

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So there is this thing where you have to think about it from a

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financial standpoint, but you've also gotta think about it from a

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personal and a familial standpoint.

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There are families being broken up too, in some places.

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And it's not just in the southern borders.

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They're everywhere.

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They're on every border.

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LA is a good example of that.

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So right now, I don't know, I don't think that the crime statistics are

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matching the border issue as much as I, for me, I think that making the

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process needs to be a lot easier.

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And the deep down process problem is very simple.

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And I think you and I talked about Dave earlier today, it's, need

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congressional stepping in, right?

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We need the team that actually writes and makes the laws and protects the laws.

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Supreme court and the judicial side of things.

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Protecting people in general, right?

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If they're committing a crime out, they go, if they're doing

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these things right, protect them.

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The police should be serve and protect, not harassing and deports.

Jerremy Newsome:

Well, I mean, what's fascinating to your point Steven, is the

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immigration court backlog hit 3.7 million cases with judges handling 4,500 each.

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So that math doesn't work out.

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We'll hear from you in a second.

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Dave, what do you think from a policy standpoint or restructuring standpoint

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or idea creation standpoint, where do we find a solution in all the legislation

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backlog that's occurring right now?

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David, William.

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speaking, you said you'd be

Jerremy Newsome:

Alright.

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in a minute.

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I apologize.

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I thought you

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You're good?

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that to Steven.

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Again, I think we're treating the symptoms instead of the illness, right?

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The symptoms are, we had 13 million illegal border crossings and now we're

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having to treat the symptom the illness.

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Is what caused this and the illness was we had open borders

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and we didn't have enough control.

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I'm all for making the process easier.

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Let's do what we can.

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In fact I was given about hours notice on here's the pre-pro briefing.

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So I wasn't able to have enough time to gather statistics, but I do know

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from personal experience in talking with several people years ago, that

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in Obama's first, in his eight years, the number of green cards issued

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under his administration in eight years was less than half of what

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Trump issued in his first four years.

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if the green card process was so difficult and it became a little bit easier.

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Then why didn't we go down that path, continue down that path,

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rather than just open the flood gates and let people through.

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Now we've overrun our system.

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We've overrun the, immigration system.

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We've overrun the court system, and now it's, throw everything you can at

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the wall to try to fix the problem.

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I'm all for, like I said, make the immigration process better and easier, but

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it doesn't mean you have carte blanche.

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Just walk in the country and we'll give you asylum.

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It just can't be.

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And, I'm an anti-human trafficking.

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That's where my passion is.

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That's where I want to stay focused on.

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the amount of kids that came across the border that were unaccompanied minors that

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were brought across with the cartel, with a letter pinned on it that said, my uncle

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John Adams up in South Dakota, here's his phone number is hogar to deliver me to.

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Knowing that was a pedophile that paid the cartel to pin that letter on that

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kid and bring 'em across the country, and the US government handed 'em over.

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I'm sorry, that's broken.

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That's wrong.

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And Steve, your wife had to go through a vetting process.

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Every single one of those kids should have been matched up.

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They should have been a background check.

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My friends came across with kids and their kids had to be vetted.

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They had to go through and prove who their parents were.

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These kids were brought across the border and handed over to total

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strangers because a letter was pinned to 'em, saying that my uncle is John

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Adams up in North Dakota, even though it's Miguel Rodriguez, whatever.

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Show me how there's any lineage there, that's your uncle,

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this is what was being done.

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These kids are being trafficked, they're being abused.

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We had zero control on the process and yeah, I'm sorry.

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If we gotta round up a bunch of people and send 'em back and

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say, you know what, I'm sorry.

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Start over.

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you had the money to pay the coyote in a lot of cases to get here.

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You had the money to go through and file your documentation.

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Again I'm not against immigration, I'm against illegal immigration,

Jerremy Newsome:

Sure.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

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Makes perfect sense.

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What the big challenge, I think a lot of people have mentioned, to

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your point, you're saying like, we're trying to fix the system.

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That's we're healing it right now, that it's already happened.

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But going forward, what do you think would be the fastest policy to create for

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the people that want to come in legally?

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That process also a lot of people feel is extremely arduous.

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It's a massive backlog.

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It's very inundated.

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It's not handled appropriately.

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Is there a policy or something that you feel that could just

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start implementing that right now?

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That would be faster or better, more efficient?

David Williams:

Again, put a bandaid on a bad situation.

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I think it I have a heart and I feel for the people that have been here for.

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years, 10 years, 15 years, established a life here.

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At the same time, I'm doing a construction project right now for my girlfriend Sarah,

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who's building out a new optometry office.

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And, I have migrant workers in there that are working as subcontractors.

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I've got framing, I've got electrical, most of which speak very little English.

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And I'm in there with my broken eng Spanish trying to communicate with them.

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But the consensus even within that group is, yeah, we got it.

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We're a couple guys short 'cause they're hiding from ice.

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I go, okay, I got it.

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How do you feel about that?

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And they said, you know what?

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They're idiots.

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And I'm telling you, I have three foremans that are Hispanic, Mexican,

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heritage that came over here.

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And they said, you know what?

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I told those guys, don't be drinking and driving.

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Don't be driving a car that doesn't have proper registration, especially if you've

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not gone through and taken the steps.

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You're making money here.

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You have plenty of money to own a car.

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You have plenty of money to buy beer every night after work.

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Why aren't you putting in your paperwork to get your documentation?

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So to answer your question a more roundabout way I think, maybe

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the short solution is tenure.

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How long have you been here 10 years, established you

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have a job, you have a home.

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Maybe they get put on the back burner.

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Maybe there's a grace period for them until we can get the system caught up.

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But I have very little sympathy for the past five years.

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funny.

Dave Conley:

I did actually just hear that from this administration.

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They said, Hey, if you've been here for, years and years, like there,

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there isn't going to be enforcement.

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And what I hear from you is that's also an opportunity to just cut a visa.

Dave Conley:

It makes zero sense to, to, deport somebody.

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It's okay, here's your visa.

David Williams:

Yeah.

Dave Conley:

Thanks.

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And if you want to apply for citizenship, fantastic.

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You're not gonna be penalized.

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But if you want to stay, you've already been here for decades,

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let's get you in the system.

David Williams:

Yep.

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And I'm, again I'm okay with the lesser of the eagle evils.

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And I think that's probably it because I think creating more,

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adding as much government as we need in order to process this, runaway

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system that we're in is gonna be.

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Extremely expensive.

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And cost taxpayers a ton of money.

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So yes, I think we do have to divide and conquer, so to speak.

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And if you've been here for, 10 years, then you get a pass.

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You've been here for less than five years, not much of a pass, between five and 10.

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Maybe it's a case by case.

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I don't have the answers.

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It's above my pay grade.

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It'll be Jeremy's job to figure out down the road.

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But for now all I have is, my opinion.

Jerremy Newsome:

Sure.

David Williams:

California native.

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I grew up, my first high school I went to was 98% Hispanic.

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It was a extremely rough area.

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There was a gang fight every day at school.

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Fortunately I was a big kid and I had a very big friend with me.

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And we had to stand up for ourselves in school.

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Unfortunately, we were the minorities.

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We had to be the ones protecting ourselves.

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I also had a lot of great families that took me in as one of their

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own and treated me, oh, you gotta eat, come feed, oh, here's tamales.

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It's a community that if you are able to connect with,

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will treat you like their own.

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But at the same time, there's some bad apples in there.

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And unfortunately we didn't do a very good job vetting those.

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And there's a lot of fallout because of it.

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And the biggest fallout that just eats at me is what's happening to these kids.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, for sure.

Jerremy Newsome:

Steven, you were shaking your head earlier when David was saying

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that would be really expensive.

Jerremy Newsome:

What's your general first thought on that?

Steven Orr:

Yeah, there's two thoughts on that and two separate sections.

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The first one for me is, when I went to Japan not too long ago, we all know

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how when we go through the customs bordering customs as biometrics.

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So you put your paw prints down and on both sides, and they know who

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you are almost immediately, right?

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They don't have to, there's no question about it.

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So on the first side of that is technology, right?

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We need to have better technology at the borders.

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It's not show me your passport and let some border agent decide

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whether or not you can come in.

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It's automatic, right?

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And the second side of that is that we talked about this earlier, is legislation.

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The new HR 1202 coming out with Representative Morgan

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Lutrell, is get passed, right?

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This is the one of the stop human trafficking of unaccompanied

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Migrant Children Act.

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I don't see a big push on this, right?

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And there needs to be these kind of pushes, Dave's right in

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regards to human trafficking.

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But I'm gonna put this in real perspective.

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Human trafficking is 0.2 to 0.4% of all immigration and migration issues, right?

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So it's a very small port, and let's crush that criminal aspect of it, right?

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But it is coming.

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It is happening, right?

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The majority of people coming across the border.

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I want to know who they are, but at the same time, it's just such

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a crushing blow to families.

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We gotta separate them because one person's on the track an F1 Visa

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and the other person's on the track for a work visa or a green card.

Steven Orr:

It has to be a little bit more lenient situation where they're coming in now.

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On the flip side of that, yeah, there's criminals.

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Yeah, there's problems happening, but it's not the majority issue

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that's happening with immigration.

Steven Orr:

We're sending back people that actually are doing the work.

Steven Orr:

We now have situations that people don't even wanna go to work.

Steven Orr:

Dave, just told you that he doesn't want to go because there's an ice issue,

Steven Orr:

that the slow down of a building of a home should not be happening because

Steven Orr:

someone's scared about their job.

Steven Orr:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

I agree with him when he says that, they're spending it on beer money and

Steven Orr:

not on getting their visas correctly.

Steven Orr:

That's a problem.

Steven Orr:

And they need to have some help with that.

Steven Orr:

But we have the technology today to speed this up.

Steven Orr:

4,300 cases.

Steven Orr:

You just said Jerremy in front of the per judge.

Steven Orr:

What would AI do to those applications?

Steven Orr:

We could go through them, not in days and years in minutes.

Steven Orr:

That's the whole key there.

Steven Orr:

And that's a problem, right?

Steven Orr:

So technology should be solving one side of it.

Steven Orr:

And on the other side of it, we should have some kind of push

Steven Orr:

against the government and not just in the voting booth every November.

Steven Orr:

It needs to be a situation where if these members of Congress are putting

Steven Orr:

these bills to the house and the Senate floor, let's get 'em passed.

Steven Orr:

You're talking about some of the most powerful people in Congress,

Steven Orr:

Chuck Grassley can't get passed.

Steven Orr:

Immigration Parole Reform Act of 2025.

Steven Orr:

Chuck Grassley of Iowa.

Steven Orr:

Come on, Chuck.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

personally.

Steven Orr:

The visible act by by representative Senator, now Senator Alex Padilla.

Steven Orr:

And Corey Booker.

Steven Orr:

These are two of the most powerful people in the Senate, and they

Steven Orr:

can't get these bills passed.

Steven Orr:

And from Dave's perspective Tom Lantos is on the Human Rights

Steven Orr:

Commission chair, chaired by both Jim McGovern and Chris Smith.

Steven Orr:

Two very powerful people.

Steven Orr:

Massachusetts and New Jersey.

Steven Orr:

So I think that the problem is it's not on the forefront.

Steven Orr:

And the first things out of Dave and Jerremy, you guys said this today,

Steven Orr:

was that 75% of people, this is on the forefront of their tongue.

Steven Orr:

50% of them believe in it.

Steven Orr:

And yet we can't get these things passed in Congress.

Steven Orr:

'cause the most important thing is tariffs right now.

Steven Orr:

Or the most important no.

Steven Orr:

Now, if you're saying that 3% of the GDP of Canada is being pushed up and

Steven Orr:

we're losing GDP because of immigration and migration, we have our issue here.

Steven Orr:

And when and the other side of the court side is.

Steven Orr:

It's, that's a slap on the hand.

Steven Orr:

Human trafficking should not be a slap on the hand.

Steven Orr:

It should be right to the gallows boys.

Jerremy Newsome:

Correct.

Steven Orr:

you're doing human trafficking there's no if and or buts

Steven Orr:

you don't get my former president, bill Clinton, my former boss, there's

Steven Orr:

no three strikes and you're out.

Steven Orr:

There should be one strike and you're out.

Steven Orr:

If you're caught human trafficking, there shouldn't be a question mark about it.

Steven Orr:

It should go right here.

Steven Orr:

Do not pass, go do not collect $200.

Jerremy Newsome:

See you later.

Steven Orr:

Because we have a problem here.

Steven Orr:

But the biggest problem is it's also stopping good immigration.

Steven Orr:

It's stopping some of the problems that we have.

Steven Orr:

It is not round them up and send them back.

Steven Orr:

It can't be that way.

Steven Orr:

'cause if we round 'em up and send them back, then you're rounding up the

Steven Orr:

good and the bad and you can't, and when I look at our own criminality in

Steven Orr:

the United States, how many people are in jail compared to other countries?

Steven Orr:

We have one of the highest incarceration rates in the United States.

Steven Orr:

So it's not an issue of criminality, it's an issue of morality, right?

Steven Orr:

The morality of our government and the morality of the people coming in.

Steven Orr:

There has to be a balance.

Steven Orr:

And how do we balance that out and simply through the courts?

Steven Orr:

And if the courts are backed up, how do we help the courts through AI and

Steven Orr:

through technology, and how do we help the courts by helping the government get

Steven Orr:

legislation passed in order to enforce it?

Steven Orr:

So I think there's a fairly easy way, a path here, but I think the

Steven Orr:

problem is, it's being put on the back burner because more important

Steven Orr:

I don't know what to do, so let's just round 'em up and throw 'em away.

Steven Orr:

That's just not how we are as a country.

Steven Orr:

As I said earlier, the states of Liberty.

Steven Orr:

Liberty says that it's not who we are as a country trying to

Steven Orr:

move forward with technology.

Steven Orr:

You, I'm a country trying to move and to be progressive.

Steven Orr:

This is not what America's about.

Jerremy Newsome:

I like the take that we don't use enough technology,

Jerremy Newsome:

at least to as of right now, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

I mean, it's 2025.

Jerremy Newsome:

There's certain ways, and I know Mr. Conley, you wanna say something, but

Jerremy Newsome:

there's, there's extremely easy and effective ways at least start speeding

Jerremy Newsome:

something up in the government and, uh, implementing some of these strategically,

Jerremy Newsome:

technologies that are currently available for everyone right now.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like, why not start using them?

Dave Conley:

I question, look, there's no doubt in my mind that our current

Dave Conley:

system is medieval and there's an aspect of this where it's just saying, oh, we

Dave Conley:

need to add more legislation to this.

Dave Conley:

Part of that doesn't make any sense to me in the sense that.

Dave Conley:

Look like Florida is the only state that requires E-Verify.

Dave Conley:

It's the only border state that requires it.

Dave Conley:

And E-Verify is very basic.

Dave Conley:

You plug in the information of either a Visa or your social security number and it

Dave Conley:

says, Hey, can work in the United States.

Dave Conley:

And it's the only one, right?

Dave Conley:

All of these laws already exist, right?

Dave Conley:

The president isn't.

Dave Conley:

Technically outside of the laws, and those laws are being tested in the

Dave Conley:

courts because it is pushing boundaries.

Dave Conley:

But those boundaries needed to be tested anyways, because

Dave Conley:

nobody's ever tried these things.

Dave Conley:

The last piece of legislation was DACA under Obama, and we

Dave Conley:

already talked about Obama.

Dave Conley:

Obama was a slew of, I worked during the Obama administration in the

Dave Conley:

administration, and he was very, he was always a contradiction, right?

Dave Conley:

Because he was the smartest person in the room, right?

Dave Conley:

And so everything was a contradiction.

Dave Conley:

He was the deporter in chief.

Dave Conley:

He was also, the fewest number of green cards and daca none

Dave Conley:

of it made any sense, right?

Dave Conley:

There was no, no unifying vision around immigration because there hasn't been,

Dave Conley:

since Reagan Reagan was the last big piece of legislation that went through.

Dave Conley:

Otherwise, it's been just a, just hap So I I'm questioning.

Dave Conley:

Do we need more legislation?

Dave Conley:

Is it just like working the legislation we have or do we need more of it?

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah and here's my overarching point that I would

Jerremy Newsome:

love for you guys to chat about too.

Jerremy Newsome:

I think it's less legislation from one specific entity.

Jerremy Newsome:

So me and Dave Conley in our last episode I threw out a really crazy idea.

Jerremy Newsome:

What if the house representatives did their job crazy right?

Jerremy Newsome:

And unbelievable, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Because so far Dave and Steven, you both mentioned presidents and that is, and

Jerremy Newsome:

has been for over 25 years, the main person that controls the ebb and flow of

Jerremy Newsome:

the ideation of immigration and policy.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I think that's a problem because ultimately you have one person who

Jerremy Newsome:

probably has very little experience with immigration and that's okay.

Jerremy Newsome:

You can't be an immigrant and the president, I get that.

Jerremy Newsome:

But at the same instance, just the fact that it all boils down to that

Jerremy Newsome:

one person seems very pigeonholed.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I think it would be very realistic to go, all right, representatives, solve it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Enjoy.

Steven Orr:

mean the president of the United States who's married to

Steven Orr:

Melania, who is an immigrant herself?

Jerremy Newsome:

Correct.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

This touches on everybody's life, right?

Steven Orr:

Lemme put it this way.

Steven Orr:

When I, my own personal right?

Steven Orr:

With Catherine, when we went to U-S-C-I-S, she was already

Steven Orr:

green card holder, visa holder.

Steven Orr:

She had everything and all the documents ready to go, and we still

Steven Orr:

had to go in front of U-S-C-I-S, right?

Steven Orr:

We still had to go in front of that officer to, to say, yes, you two can get

Steven Orr:

married, so please bring us pictures.

Steven Orr:

Okay?

Steven Orr:

So both of us had our cell phones with us.

Steven Orr:

We both had a USB, and the guy says you need to bring in physical pictures.

Steven Orr:

Oh, yes.

Steven Orr:

This has been almost two decades ago when Catherine and I have gotten married.

Steven Orr:

But physical pictures like then he goes maybe, okay, I'll approve this.

Steven Orr:

I will approve this even though you don't have the pictures.

Steven Orr:

We'll, show me on your phone.

Steven Orr:

Show me your digital stuff, right?

Steven Orr:

Here we are, 16 years later after being married now, and, I look at

Steven Orr:

the system and it's still the same.

Steven Orr:

Bring us your physical pictures, right?

Steven Orr:

And we're still having to go in front of A-U-S-C-I-S person to approve us.

Steven Orr:

The technology can fix that.

Steven Orr:

We don't even need to do that anymore, right?

Steven Orr:

Just send us and I think you're right.

Steven Orr:

E-Verify should be everywhere.

Steven Orr:

That's first and foremost.

Steven Orr:

Get a social security number.

Steven Orr:

Anybody gets social security number these days, right?

Steven Orr:

So that should be too hard.

Steven Orr:

And I, but a biometric takes nothing.

Steven Orr:

It is here.

Steven Orr:

Fingerprints.

Steven Orr:

Here's some little bit of, a little bit of your background.

Steven Orr:

You'll know immediately who you are, but I'll tell you what, Jerremy, if you talk

Steven Orr:

about it from a perspective of the new blockchain, the heck outta this, right?

Steven Orr:

Every person is a blockchain number, right?

Steven Orr:

You can't make that up.

Steven Orr:

You can't change it.

Steven Orr:

So now we can follow it.

Steven Orr:

Technology can fix a lot of these problems.

Steven Orr:

And when I look at you say, don't you know, we don't need more legislation.

Steven Orr:

We don't.

Steven Orr:

Enforcement of the legislation that we have today would do a whole,

Steven Orr:

would do a lot of wonders, right?

Steven Orr:

And I think that's one of the things that we did say, and we're not seeing that.

Steven Orr:

And I think that's what Dave here is concerned about that we don't

Steven Orr:

have the enforcement of these, it's this catch and release issue.

Steven Orr:

But there's also Zoe Loflin representative from California is also

Steven Orr:

working out with one, and I look it up, farm Workforce Modernization Act.

Steven Orr:

All right, so you're a migrant coming in to pick whatever it should

Steven Orr:

be a temporary visa get you in.

Steven Orr:

And guess what?

Steven Orr:

You go in and you go out you do the migrant farm workforce thing, and then

Steven Orr:

you leave and then you build a reputation.

Steven Orr:

And we know we're the, we through the blockchain or through AI or

Steven Orr:

whatever, we want to use biometrics.

Steven Orr:

We know, okay, this person's been here for a few months, they

Steven Orr:

didn't make any criminality.

Steven Orr:

They went back home.

Steven Orr:

They came back, okay.

Steven Orr:

And you're creating a blueprint for how to bring others in, in a direct way.

Steven Orr:

But right now we have this, it's just slam it, throw 'em in a, throw

Steven Orr:

'em in a cell and send them back.

Steven Orr:

And that's not who we are as a country.

Steven Orr:

Especially in a situation where, the, economic force behind this is really

Jerremy Newsome:

Passive.

Steven Orr:

to a lot of people.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

David Williams:

also have to go back and look at the fact that we weren't

David Williams:

responsible for the past four years.

David Williams:

We weren't showing any kind of responsibility.

David Williams:

We've got California who was shifting water because of some salamander,

David Williams:

which was also shifting water away from farmland, which was meaning that we were

David Williams:

producing less crops, yet we're bringing in more migrant workers to work the fields

David Williams:

that we don't have as much output in.

David Williams:

So now we're creating a situation where we have unemployment, we're creating more

David Williams:

demand on the local government to support.

David Williams:

Report these people at the cost of home safety.

David Williams:

My girlfriend lives literally three blocks from Pacific Palisades.

David Williams:

I can drive over there now.

David Williams:

I couldn't up until recently, and it looked like a fricking

David Williams:

war zone because they didn't have enough water to put out the fires.

David Williams:

And millions and millions of dollars of homes, billions of

David Williams:

dollars of homes went up in smoke.

David Williams:

And to this day, a lot of those people can't move back in that

David Williams:

did have homes saved because of contamination in the water and lack

David Williams:

of electricity and everything else.

David Williams:

But the point is, newsom's got an open door.

David Williams:

Come on in.

David Williams:

California will accept you.

David Williams:

We're a sanctuary state, but we don't have enough water to fuel the

David Williams:

crops that you're coming to pick.

David Williams:

So now we're gonna put you on unemployment and we're gonna strain

David Williams:

our welfare system here, and we're gonna put your kids in our schools.

David Williams:

And yet you're not being productive.

David Williams:

We're just giving you the money.

David Williams:

You can't sit there and say we acted so irresponsibly now let's

David Williams:

continue to be irresponsible and not remove these people didn't come in.

David Williams:

You can't just put tax the system over and over again and say it's okay.

David Williams:

When you've been so absolutely egregiously irresponsible for the past five years,

David Williams:

there's gotta be some major movement.

David Williams:

and I apologize to those families that are getting caught up in the mess, but I think

David Williams:

as we spoke about earlier, maybe it's the five year, maybe it's the 10 year.

David Williams:

Time spent in the US that we separate this for the short term.

David Williams:

there has to be a quick and I agree with you Steven if we use

David Williams:

ai, absolutely, man, let's use it.

David Williams:

Let's process this stuff a hell of a lot faster, what we're doing.

David Williams:

Maybe that's how we separate, the cream rises the top and

David Williams:

we use the AI system to do it.

David Williams:

And I do agree, we do absolutely need more enforcement.

David Williams:

We had zero enforcement the past five years, zero.

David Williams:

we acted as irresponsible as a country could act.

David Williams:

And now we're paying for it.

David Williams:

And we're paying for it in a huge way.

David Williams:

And I can't even drive into downtown la after dark, I can't, I, it's taking,

David Williams:

everybody's lives in, and putting it in apparel because it is that bad.

David Williams:

It's horrible.

David Williams:

Sarah and I can walk down a street in Santa Monica because they

David Williams:

police it pretty well and they keep the homeless out of there.

David Williams:

But you go down to the beach where it's state land you

David Williams:

don't go down there after dark.

David Williams:

I'll tell you that right now because it is a homeless camp and

David Williams:

a lot of it is illegal immigrants.

David Williams:

I hear what you're saying, Steven, but at the same time, we're not a

David Williams:

country that can act as irresponsibly as we have the past five years.

David Williams:

We have to do something to make up for it.

Steven Orr:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

One thing she just mentioned was, California's use of

Steven Orr:

water in that situation.

Steven Orr:

80% of California's water right now used for what?

Steven Orr:

Agriculture, right?

Steven Orr:

Almonds

Dave Conley:

Almonds.

Steven Orr:

and pastures, I can listen.

Steven Orr:

I can tell you all the different crops in California,

Dave Conley:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

not water usage by homes and guess who works

Steven Orr:

those fields in California?

David Williams:

But you're not hearing what I said when I started Steven.

David Williams:

Our production is down because we've had a shortage of water.

David Williams:

We are producing less agriculture than we have the past 20 years, and we're bringing

David Williams:

in more workers to work the fields.

David Williams:

That's what's taxing in our system is you can't keep putting

David Williams:

more people at a problem when you've got a declining, industry.

David Williams:

You've gotta fix the industry first.

David Williams:

So

Steven Orr:

industry that you talk about, you're talking

Steven Orr:

about agriculture in general in

David Williams:

agriculture in general.

Steven Orr:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

When you look at ag around the world, and of course I grew up in southern

Steven Orr:

Illinois, so I grew up in corn fields.

Steven Orr:

I grew up around all of the ag.

Steven Orr:

I learned commodities at a very young age, 16 to 18, I learned commodities.

Steven Orr:

I learned how it all worked.

Steven Orr:

And when I look at agriculture was pulled up outta the ground, whether

Steven Orr:

it's corn crops or whether that's almonds or down here now, oranges,

Steven Orr:

picked oranges those crops changed.

Steven Orr:

And the who picks them and how they're picked today.

Steven Orr:

I just argued a few minutes ago that it's gonna be about technology, right?

Steven Orr:

That in tech, in the future, we won't even need people picking any of those things.

Steven Orr:

It'll be done by a machine.

Steven Orr:

John Deere's working on all of those things now.

Steven Orr:

And as we grow as a country and we progress and we don't need

Steven Orr:

migrants picking, those migrants will be doing other jobs.

Steven Orr:

They'll be either flipping hamburgers and when the ai, and then when the

Steven Orr:

technology grows from that, we won't need them doing that either because

Steven Orr:

the machine will flip the burger.

Steven Orr:

So migration is not an immigration.

Steven Orr:

It's not about what's going on now.

Steven Orr:

It's about the future.

Steven Orr:

We have to think about our problem now to, to solve it, but for the future.

Steven Orr:

Yeah, we've had a problem with criminality in the past.

Steven Orr:

We have, and still do.

Steven Orr:

We have a problem with getting them in now with biometrics, our

Steven Orr:

technology is behind, but technology could solve a lot of the problems

Steven Orr:

that we haven't done in the future.

Steven Orr:

When we first invented the car, it gave people the ability to

Steven Orr:

go outside of the cities, right?

Steven Orr:

But where was the biggest migration into the country?

Steven Orr:

Into the cities.

Steven Orr:

If you think about New York, it was the biggest influx of Irish in the world.

Steven Orr:

At what?

Steven Orr:

At one time.

Steven Orr:

Why?

Steven Orr:

Because they had a fam.

Steven Orr:

And at that time, New York hated the Irish people.

Steven Orr:

It was terrible.

Steven Orr:

We don't want to go back to those kind of days where we hate the

Steven Orr:

influx of whoever's coming in Today.

Steven Orr:

It's the southern border tomorrow.

Steven Orr:

It's the eastern border.

Steven Orr:

What we have to think about is how we get them to integrate in a way that integrates

Steven Orr:

into our psyche of this country.

David Williams:

Right.

Steven Orr:

I know one of the things that Obama did and I didn't always agree

Steven Orr:

with it, but when we had this issue with Somalia, he put them in Minnesota.

Steven Orr:

Then it became Somalians versus Minnesotans.

Steven Orr:

That became a big problem.

Steven Orr:

You can't just try to hide your immigration.

Steven Orr:

They're gonna go where they want to go anyway.

Steven Orr:

The question is tracking them, making sure that everything's good

Steven Orr:

and they're productive and they're being adding to the production of

Steven Orr:

the United States or in our case.

Steven Orr:

And I think a lot of people are concerned about social security too as well.

Steven Orr:

'cause there's journey in social security with those.

Steven Orr:

But I think if you look at the future, I think we do not have as

Steven Orr:

a country, a plan for technology to be implemented, to track, to

Steven Orr:

biometric, to the ai, to all of this.

Steven Orr:

And I think we have a good opportunity right now to do that.

Steven Orr:

yet our biggest concern right now is tariffs.

Steven Orr:

Our biggest concern is it neat?

Steven Orr:

And the first thing outta Jerremy and Dan's mouth was, Hey it's on the

Steven Orr:

forefront of everybody thinking here.

Steven Orr:

So I think for us, I think we need to take that, and I'm looking forward

Steven Orr:

to Jerremy saying, answer this question, but when do we do this?

Steven Orr:

Do we do it today or do we wait three months, five years from now

Steven Orr:

and hope that things work out?

Steven Orr:

I don't think that's the case.

Steven Orr:

I think this is very on the forefront burner of what needs to get done

Steven Orr:

and it needs to get happens.

Steven Orr:

Now or before we could have a breakout of a civil war, right?

Steven Orr:

In a lot of ways, and I don't mean civil wars and guns and people

Steven Orr:

fighting each other, but in a way that we already are a divided country.

Steven Orr:

It's a very divided country.

Steven Orr:

And the one and the things that divide us are the things that

Steven Orr:

make the pendulum swing so far.

Steven Orr:

And one of them was immigration, right?

Steven Orr:

And the other thing was the economy and we thought it was sleepy, Joe Biden.

Steven Orr:

And now we've got a president who's just too, not understanding

Steven Orr:

the psyche of the United States.

Steven Orr:

So the problem here is we keep swinging back and forth instead of

Steven Orr:

having a middle area trying to create the next level of the United States.

Steven Orr:

And I look at this country in general and I look at what needs to happen

Steven Orr:

in order to us to progress, right?

Steven Orr:

We need migration, we need immigration to be on the right path.

Steven Orr:

It's not gonna work.

Steven Orr:

If we don't have immigration, we will fall apart.

Steven Orr:

Elon Musk told you that right now.

Steven Orr:

You have, you already, it's already seeing that in Europe.

Steven Orr:

They're already cutting rates because their GDP is falling apart right now.

Steven Orr:

Our GDP is already slowing down and Trump is already upset about the

Steven Orr:

inflation rate coming down and he can't get the rates to come down.

Steven Orr:

He's already upset.

Steven Orr:

So what do we do in the next year or two to make this happen?

Steven Orr:

And I think we need pressure the lawmakers that are behind this, and then pressure

Steven Orr:

enforcement and then pressure the courts behind it or nothing's gonna happen.

Dave Conley:

Let me ask you this and to, to David's point.

Dave Conley:

Big round numbers for about the last 50 years.

Dave Conley:

We've had about a million people we'll say, legally immigrate into get through

Dave Conley:

this Byzantine system and actually immigrated to the United States.

Dave Conley:

They got all their paperwork and they got all their visas, about a

Dave Conley:

million people to become permanent residents in the United States.

Dave Conley:

And then about a million people on top of that have been undocumented.

Dave Conley:

And that's been true for about 50 years.

Dave Conley:

Those are the numbers, a million and a million,

Steven Orr:

Yep.

Dave Conley:

except for the last four years where not entirely sure.

Dave Conley:

We know that there was about 9 million.

Dave Conley:

Touch points at the borders,

Dave Conley:

That's very incomplete and that's often like the same

Dave Conley:

person, like three or four times.

Dave Conley:

So best guess is the last four years, it's been about three

Dave Conley:

or four times that, right?

Dave Conley:

So not a million, but now three or 4 million think.

Dave Conley:

What would you all think of something like a pause being like, Hey, like we hear you.

Dave Conley:

What?

Dave Conley:

Last week we interviewed first and second generation immigrants.

Dave Conley:

They were either sons and daughters of first generation immigrants

Dave Conley:

or second generation, right?

Dave Conley:

Their grandparents came.

Dave Conley:

the one thing that they said, which I absolutely believe.

Dave Conley:

Is that the United States is by far the best country on the

Dave Conley:

planet assimilating different cultures from all over the world.

Dave Conley:

Like we have more people from more places all over the planet.

Dave Conley:

And we are so good at it that, and they said the big thing there was

Dave Conley:

actually everybody just needs to learn English, to and if we learn English,

Dave Conley:

like everything else comes with that.

Dave Conley:

And by the second generation, you're all American at that point.

Dave Conley:

So what would you all think to be just like, Hey, we know it's

Dave Conley:

been big the last few years.

Dave Conley:

We know that it freaks people out, right?

Dave Conley:

Seeing a lot of change very suddenly we know that it also inflames a certain

Dave Conley:

amount of racism on top of that, right?

Dave Conley:

what would you all think to be just like, okay, hey, we're gonna cool our jets,

Dave Conley:

we're gonna take the next five years.

Dave Conley:

Like we did actually in the forties, fifties and sixties and

Dave Conley:

seventies, we were like, eh, this is gonna be a little bit of a pause.

Dave Conley:

Is that a, would that be a good idea or not so much?

David Williams:

What's a pause?

David Williams:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

And how long is the pause, I think is the question

David Williams:

So I'm gonna go back to your point, Dave, in the beginning is, why

David Williams:

don't we start and Stevens, let's use ai, let's use the technology we have, let's

David Williams:

start making people line up and E-Verify.

David Williams:

You've got, you got 120 days, you got six months, whatever it is to E-Verify.

David Williams:

don't E-Verify yourself, then adios.

Dave Conley:

This goes back to what Steven was talking about at the beginning

Dave Conley:

of this, which was economic, right?

Dave Conley:

We have created an underclass of people.

Dave Conley:

Do not get minimum wage.

Dave Conley:

They do not have any job guarantees.

Dave Conley:

They don't have access to any kind of benefits if they do lose their jobs.

Dave Conley:

They are permanent underclass and they are effectively human trafficked.

Dave Conley:

Like they can be turned over to ice.

Dave Conley:

They can be threatened with deportation if they don't work

Dave Conley:

how they want to be worked.

David Williams:

In the state of California.

Steven Orr:

You, you're almost harkening back to the time of Hitler calling them.

Steven Orr:

Mentions, right?

David Williams:

No.

Steven Orr:

have a lower class of humanity in it.

Dave Conley:

Absolutely not.

David Williams:

of California, you get a job and you're not

David Williams:

being paid at least minimum wage.

David Williams:

I don't care if you're documented or undocumented.

David Williams:

If you turn that employer in for not paying you at least minimum

David Williams:

wage, that employer's going to pay the penalty, not that employee.

David Williams:

So yeah, you don't have that.

David Williams:

The actual immigrant, non-documented worker has just as many rights in

David Williams:

California as a documented worker does when it comes to pay and benefits.

David Williams:

And the state of California will say, you know what?

David Williams:

You're gonna get unemployment now you're undocumented.

David Williams:

And that's what's going on here in this state.

David Williams:

And I hear what Steven was saying about, hey, cornfield's in southern

David Williams:

Illinois and my kids played, baseball through the Midwest.

David Williams:

I've been through a lot of cornfields in Kansas and everything else.

David Williams:

I see it all out there.

David Williams:

And you know what?

David Williams:

Cornfield's getting picked by machines.

David Williams:

I get it.

David Williams:

It doesn't mean, Hey, let's pause the world and pay for 13, 14

David Williams:

million illegal immigrants until our technology catches up with it.

David Williams:

Or until we no longer need that workforce, what are we gonna do with them?

David Williams:

Train 14 million people on a new job.

David Williams:

We acted so irresponsibly the past five years

Steven Orr:

have.

David Williams:

that we have to take drastic measures.

David Williams:

And I think the only thing that I could agree with is let's use ai, let's

David Williams:

separate those that have been here for 10, 15 years that are productive.

David Williams:

And I'm sorry if you don't fit in that class, you've got 60 days,

David Williams:

90 days to exit the country and if you can't do it, we'll help you.

Steven Orr:

Yeah, but Dave, if I told you that right now in the

Steven Orr:

United States, there are 10 million jobs available right now and only

Steven Orr:

6 million can actually fill 'em in.

Steven Orr:

And guess who's filling them in?

Steven Orr:

Nobody.

Steven Orr:

Nobody wants to do those jobs.

Steven Orr:

The migrants are coming here because they just said earlier

Steven Orr:

that we are the envy of the world.

Steven Orr:

So when they come here, they're looking for a better life.

Steven Orr:

And I agree with that.

Steven Orr:

I have

David Williams:

if I do your math and I think your math's way off that

David Williams:

only 26,000 kids were brought into this country that are undocumented.

David Williams:

That are being trafficked, that are being sold and raped eight to nine times a day.

David Williams:

that doesn't make you sick.

David Williams:

And you don't say, oh, I'm sorry.

David Williams:

That's just a small percentage of the people that came across.

David Williams:

Let's not focus on that.

Steven Orr:

No, I,

David Williams:

bs.

David Williams:

I call bs.

David Williams:

I say, you know what, send 'em all out and bring 'em back in the proper way because

David Williams:

I'm not gonna sit by and watch some kid get raped eight to 10 times a day.

David Williams:

I don't care if it's one.

David Williams:

And if it were for your kids, you'd have a whole different perspective.

Steven Orr:

I think the first thing I said about that is that if you're criminally

Steven Orr:

caught, you should be hang the gallows.

Steven Orr:

I think that was exactly the words that I said.

David Williams:

I agree with you.

David Williams:

But you also said right before that, It was only about, 0.002%

Steven Orr:

So you're

David Williams:

only.

David Williams:

Only about.

Steven Orr:

I don't, when you throw the baby outta the bath water, that's

Steven Orr:

like saying that we should, when I look at the country in general,

Steven Orr:

and I say, okay, I understand it.

Steven Orr:

There's some really bad things happening in the world, but believe

Steven Orr:

it or not, there are some really good people here too, Dave, and we're

Steven Orr:

doing some really good things in this

David Williams:

I I told you I work with them

Steven Orr:

stop creating technology because maybe there's

Steven Orr:

some bad people that are hackers.

Steven Orr:

That it's not, it doesn't add, it's not apples and oranges.

Steven Orr:

Here.

Steven Orr:

I've said this a million times and I'm probably harder on those, the

Steven Orr:

criminality side of things than anybody.

Steven Orr:

I'm the one that doesn't give 'em the gallows, send 'em off the,

David Williams:

and I'm working with those guys.

David Williams:

I'm working with those guys now, some of which are undocumented.

David Williams:

I'm sure I'm paying 'em a subcontractor, so I don't have to see that verification.

David Williams:

That's up to the sub to do.

David Williams:

But I know what I'm hearing from them.

David Williams:

We've had this conversation over the past 60 days not six months ago, not

David Williams:

six years ago, over the past 60 days.

David Williams:

'cause we started this project about the 8th of July.

David Williams:

And those that are documented, Hispanics documented are saying,

David Williams:

telling everybody go get documented.

David Williams:

If you're not screw you, you should get kicked outta the country.

David Williams:

I've got a Israeli general contractor who's married to an American who had

David Williams:

two kids in Israel, and they had to go through that whole vetting process, and

David Williams:

the kids had to be verified to be theirs and all, they went through that process

David Williams:

and they're saying the same thing.

David Williams:

I went through that process.

David Williams:

You know what?

David Williams:

Screw these guys that didn't go through the process.

David Williams:

Screw them for coming over here and doing it illegally.

David Williams:

And when the Hispanics are saying it about their own people and Israelis are

David Williams:

saying it about Europeans, why is we Americans just saying, eh, let it go.

David Williams:

Let it go.

David Williams:

We'll figure it out.

David Williams:

Give him a chance.

David Williams:

Give him a chance.

Jerremy Newsome:

So Dave, this will be, so this will be an interesting.

David Williams:

it's socially irresponsible to those that are taxpayers,

David Williams:

to those that are here, who, those that have paid the price over years.

David Williams:

And to see our school systems and our hospital systems and our

David Williams:

medical system all be overrun.

David Williams:

Court systems all be overrun because we were so irresponsible.

David Williams:

And just say, you know what, we'll absorb it.

David Williams:

We'll assimilate this through technology over the next five years.

David Williams:

I'm sorry, we don't have five years.

David Williams:

We can destroy this country in five years.

David Williams:

We have to take immediate action and the immediate action.

David Williams:

I'm with you, Steven.

David Williams:

Let's kick it, AI in and start separating the good from the bad

David Williams:

or at least the good from the gray.

David Williams:

Say, okay, let's focus on the great part.

David Williams:

But we have to take immediate action and we can't just throw our hands up

David Williams:

in the air and say, you know what?

David Williams:

Agricultural rebound, or we'll move 'em into another sector of the economy.

David Williams:

Or, and I'm on the, I'm on the tariff side.

David Williams:

I'm having to pay the 30% tariffs on products coming into

David Williams:

the US that I paid 4.4% before.

David Williams:

But I can also tell you that my friends over in China applauding it

David Williams:

because you know what, it happened the first time with Trump, they were

David Williams:

now able to afford American products.

David Williams:

My quality control manager over in China me up in a Ford festiva

David Williams:

that he was so excited and proud.

David Williams:

Look, Dave, I got a new car.

David Williams:

Check this out.

David Williams:

Isn't this brilliant?

David Williams:

This is beautiful.

David Williams:

I said, what'd you pay for that 40,000 us?

David Williams:

I'm like, it's an 18,000 car in the US was at the time, this is a few years back.

David Williams:

He had to pay a hundred percent tariff on that vehicle.

David Williams:

So yes, I understand it may not be the top priority when we

David Williams:

have this, but you know what?

David Williams:

Slap it in place and let it, which is what he did, slapped it in place.

David Williams:

Let it work itself out.

David Williams:

But we're gonna create more jobs in America.

David Williams:

And I can tell you what happened immediately was everybody I know in my

David Williams:

industry shifted and said, how else?

David Williams:

How else can we do this?

David Williams:

Can we, how much of this can we do at home?

David Williams:

How much of it can we do in Mexico?

David Williams:

How much of it can we do in Vietnam?

David Williams:

Can we do it in, they made an immediate shift based on that.

David Williams:

And I'm hoping that more of it will come back to the us.

David Williams:

But to your point, Steven, if we're having declining agriculture and

David Williams:

we have better technology and it's eliminating those jobs, don't we

David Williams:

have to create more jobs in order to.

David Williams:

Find a place for these people to assimilate to.

David Williams:

We have to do it's a simultaneous, it's a parallel path.

David Williams:

You've gotta create more jobs because we're losing jobs to technology.

David Williams:

And you can't just keep bringing in a floodgate of immigration and say,

David Williams:

eh, we'll assimilate them over time.

David Williams:

It's too difficult on the GDP.

David Williams:

It's too difficult.

David Williams:

Our GGDP is down.

David Williams:

I agree.

David Williams:

And it's ground probably because of tariffs.

David Williams:

It's not because of lack of workforce, it's because of tariffs and people are

David Williams:

laying people off 'cause they can't afford it when they don't have product to sell.

David Williams:

So it is, it's caused a temporary problem.

David Williams:

I understand that.

David Williams:

But the temporary problem is also that we have a way too large of a

David Williams:

immigration bubble, if you will, that is now taxing every aspect

David Williams:

of our life, every aspect of it.

David Williams:

And I see it more in California than probably anywhere.

David Williams:

Because we've got a governor that's just out of control with what he's doing.

David Williams:

And they had no King's Day here and they should have been up in Sacramento.

David Williams:

'cause if there's a king anywhere in the world it's in Sacramento.

David Williams:

This guy is destroying this state and it's just it's horrible.

David Williams:

And the fact that they even keep him in office after burning,

David Williams:

whatever it was, 4,000 homes that were well over $3 million each.

David Williams:

You just say, eh, I saved the salamander.

David Williams:

It's just unconscionable what's going on.

David Williams:

And you can't just sit there and say, we'll, assimilate it.

David Williams:

Over time it, we don't have that kind of time.

David Williams:

We haven't got those kind of resources.

Steven Orr:

When I hear people say the country can't handle another five more

Steven Orr:

years, they can't handle the country will fall apart in five more years.

Steven Orr:

I almost discre that.

Steven Orr:

Almost immediately, this country has gone through a whole lot worse

Steven Orr:

problems than this throughout time.

Steven Orr:

And while immigration is a huge problem, this country has gone through

Steven Orr:

a lot that, you could talk about the civil rights time, you can talk

Steven Orr:

about wars that we've gone through.

Steven Orr:

We, we are a very resilient country.

Steven Orr:

We are very strong in who we are and when other, and I'm

Steven Orr:

outta the country all the time.

Steven Orr:

My passport has is covered in blue and purple in all when I'm over there in

Steven Orr:

the past, oh, you're an American today.

Steven Orr:

It's, oh, you're an American.

Steven Orr:

We do no longer lead in how people look at us.

Steven Orr:

We need to lead in all of these things, right?

Steven Orr:

Whether it's Governor Newsom or Governor Mundi, who's gonna be

Steven Orr:

the next mayor of New York City?

Steven Orr:

It doesn't matter, right?

Steven Orr:

Because we will get through it.

Steven Orr:

'cause we are the United States of America, period.

Steven Orr:

We will get through it and we will be better and we'll be stronger.

Steven Orr:

Warren Buffett said it very clearly.

Steven Orr:

He said if you were born in the United States of America,

Steven Orr:

you already won the lottery.

Steven Orr:

He told you that.

Steven Orr:

He said, look, it's true, and that's why we have an immigration problem

Steven Orr:

because we are the greatest country.

Steven Orr:

If we weren't the greatest country, they wouldn't come here.

Steven Orr:

Or that we wouldn't have a problem if we weren't the greatest country.

Steven Orr:

Look, we are called the United States of America for a reason

Steven Orr:

because every state is different.

Steven Orr:

California does not have the same problems that Florida has or that

Steven Orr:

Illinois has, or Michigan has.

Steven Orr:

We each have our own separate, because we're such a big country

Steven Orr:

and we have different areas.

Steven Orr:

So when I look at immigration issues in Europe are a little different because

Steven Orr:

they are separated by nationality and what they consider themselves to be French or

Steven Orr:

German but if you go to countries like Switzerland and I, they're, every year

Steven Orr:

I can tell you it's French, it's German, Italian, and they all get along and they

Steven Orr:

do have an immigration issue 'cause he

David Williams:

So Steven, now that you've discredited me, what's your point?

David Williams:

What's your point?

David Williams:

You're spinning a bunch of, spinning a little bit of this

David Williams:

and a little bit of that.

David Williams:

You're not addressing the point.

David Williams:

The point is that I was trying to make to you is that in California, we're overrun.

David Williams:

We're overrun in California.

David Williams:

You wanna talk about Illinois and corn there, and you wanna

David Williams:

talk about Switzerland there and discredit me in the process.

David Williams:

Quit spinning the room and address the points.

David Williams:

This is the problem I have with most Democrats is that they are hypocrite

David Williams:

in their responses because Yeah.

David Williams:

Oh, let's talk about this over here.

David Williams:

'cause we're not gonna address this here address the issues one by one.

Steven Orr:

this is not a political discussion.

Steven Orr:

This is a BA based on very simple of an issue of,

David Williams:

You made it one by discrediting me and that's not gonna fly.

David Williams:

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr:

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr:

I don't care about your politics.

Steven Orr:

I care about the issue and.

David Williams:

You No, you said you discredit me because I said the country

David Williams:

couldn't handle another five years.

David Williams:

I immediately discredit somebody who says that.

Steven Orr:

can't, can handle whatever we throw at it because we

Steven Orr:

are the United States of America.

Steven Orr:

It's not a political issue.

David Williams:

No.

David Williams:

No, it's not.

David Williams:

We can't handle, you can't say we have unlimited resources.

David Williams:

You can't say that we can take on anything in the world.

Steven Orr:

unlimited

David Williams:

we can.

David Williams:

No.

David Williams:

It's not true.

David Williams:

We're not able to, no.

David Williams:

What you've got to say is we do have limited resources and

David Williams:

we have to act responsibly.

David Williams:

That I agree with you.

Steven Orr:

Lemme tell you something.

Steven Orr:

I know how it works in the oil business.

Steven Orr:

I'm in there too all the time.

Steven Orr:

We have so much oil in this country.

Steven Orr:

We put a nice big bow on and a number on it.

Steven Orr:

So that commodity, we've got plenty of food.

Steven Orr:

We are the literally bread basket of the world.

Steven Orr:

You wanna talk about rare earth outside of China.

Steven Orr:

We are the second largest and rare earth.

Steven Orr:

Is there a commodity that you're interested in?

Steven Orr:

I'm happy to tell you the numbers if you'd like to know.

Steven Orr:

That's what I do for a living every single day.

Steven Orr:

And I can tell you right now, this isn't a political issue.

Steven Orr:

Immigration is a very serious issue that we need to tackle, and

Steven Orr:

it's not based on what Newsom is doing or what DeSantis is doing.

Steven Orr:

It's based on how we come together as a country to make immigration.

Steven Orr:

Most immigration right now, problems isn't even in California.

Steven Orr:

It's in Texas, right?

Steven Orr:

They're coming across the border in Texas.

Steven Orr:

Why?

Steven Orr:

Because they need leatherneck in work in the oil fields.

Steven Orr:

They need people in the agriculture that aren't even there.

Steven Orr:

And there's a problem in Nevada, and there's a problem in Utah.

Steven Orr:

It's not a California issue alone.

Steven Orr:

This is a United States of America issue

David Williams:

No, it's a California issue right now because they're you're, no

Steven Orr:

care about

David Williams:

but the point is because we're so irresponsible

David Williams:

in bringing them in, we did not direct them to the right places.

David Williams:

We said, come on in, tax our resources.

David Williams:

Go ahead.

David Williams:

We're fine with it.

David Williams:

We'll figure you out later.

David Williams:

That's the problem that we have, is that we've been irresponsible with

David Williams:

immigration and we cannot continue to be, we're not carte blanche to the world.

David Williams:

Yes, we have a great, vast amount of resources.

David Williams:

Every resource can run dry like it has in California.

David Williams:

And we're not gonna just, got people in California that are picking

David Williams:

up and shifting to other states because they can't take it anymore.

David Williams:

They're tired of it.

David Williams:

We're paying six and $7 gas and you tell me we got unlimited fuel supply.

David Williams:

Yeah.

David Williams:

But we've got a state that's gonna tax the hell out of us.

David Williams:

'cause now we gotta make up for all the immigration.

Steven Orr:

I tell everybody that lives in California that hates California.

Steven Orr:

Why the hell are you there?

David Williams:

live here because of my family.

Steven Orr:

You should say, you know what, if you're defending

Steven Orr:

the state of California and what's going on you can pick up and leave.

Steven Orr:

That's what the United States of America says, Hey, you know what,

Steven Orr:

there's other states to go to.

Steven Orr:

So if you really

David Williams:

There's other countries to go to pick up and leave.

David Williams:

You don't like what's happening with you as an immigrant?

David Williams:

Pick up and leave, go back to your own country.

David Williams:

I'm in California because my kids happen to be here and I have

David Williams:

some family that I need to spend some time with my actual home.

David Williams:

Legal

Steven Orr:

those

David Williams:

My li my legal residence.

David Williams:

My legal residence is Colorado.

David Williams:

company is based in Nevada.

David Williams:

So the fact that I happen to be in California right now is because

David Williams:

of some family obligations, but it's not 'cause I love it.

Steven Orr:

are in the United States is because they have work here and

Steven Orr:

they have family here that you just told me your only answer, right?

Steven Orr:

They can go where they need to go to, but it may make a better

Steven Orr:

life for their own families.

David Williams:

Huh?

David Williams:

At the cost of the taxpayers until we can figure out how to assimilate 'em.

Steven Orr:

are you

David Williams:

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr:

to?

David Williams:

I'm sorry.

Steven Orr:

Are you paying to California?

Steven Orr:

Are you paying Nevada

Steven Orr:

To Colorado?

David Williams:

I pay California taxes every time I go fill up my gas tank.

David Williams:

I took Sarah out to dinner last night.

David Williams:

I paid 10 and a half percent tax on food.

David Williams:

So yes, I'm paying taxes all day long that are helping to support

David Williams:

the broken system in California.

David Williams:

Anytime I do business in California, yes, I pay California taxes on the

David Williams:

business I do in California as well.

David Williams:

So yeah, I pay California taxes.

David Williams:

I also pay Colorado taxes, and I also pay taxes in Nevada.

David Williams:

They're just in various different forms.

David Williams:

So no, it's

David Williams:

In every situ, every place that I'm at.

David Williams:

But I take real offense to somebody, telling me we can just bring on

David Williams:

the entire world and bring 'em into the United States because we're

David Williams:

the greatest country in the world.

David Williams:

We have unlimited resources.

David Williams:

And if you say otherwise, you're discredited.

Dave Conley:

No I think it's

David Williams:

You're

Dave Conley:

I think it's super fair as somebody who moved from California

Dave Conley:

to Florida, I think it's super fair that the ninth largest economy on the

Dave Conley:

planet like that's California is also running the worst deficits this year.

Dave Conley:

And they're trying to figure out how to balance their budget.

Dave Conley:

Some of that is definitely tied to all of the different programs that are going on.

Dave Conley:

They are not hiding the fact that they do pay a lot of money.

Dave Conley:

A lot of money goes out for a lot of social services.

Dave Conley:

So I think it's fair to say that depending on the state, there is

Dave Conley:

an unequal burden across states.

Dave Conley:

And like I live in Florida now, and frankly they just don't pay like the

Dave Conley:

state of the school system in the county that I live in is abysmal.

Dave Conley:

So it depends on the state.

Dave Conley:

So I think it is fair to say that to both of your points, we do have unlimited

Dave Conley:

resources in the sense that we have more oil than any other planet on Earth, right?

Dave Conley:

That is a shocking thing for most people to hear, we have so much oil, that's

Dave Conley:

one of our biggest exports, and that some states are cratering because of

Dave Conley:

the burdens on them and some aren't.

Dave Conley:

So I think that there's a certain amount of aspect to this that is also true.

Dave Conley:

What you said David, was that.

Dave Conley:

The foreign policy for the United States for the last hundred plus years

Dave Conley:

has been to put our nose in every country's business, our foot on most

Dave Conley:

of their necks, all through Central and South America and the Caribbean.

Dave Conley:

Like we've overturned more governments and we've made, any number of

Dave Conley:

countries absolutely miserable.

Dave Conley:

And I don't know about you, but yes, America is like the

Dave Conley:

greatest place on the planet.

Dave Conley:

I can't imagine living someplace else.

Dave Conley:

And I'm sure for tens of millions of people, they didn't wanna

Dave Conley:

leave their country either.

Dave Conley:

so is there something to be said about US foreign policy, and if we're

Dave Conley:

making America great again, making Venezuela great again, making Haiti

Dave Conley:

great again, making Cuba great again.

Dave Conley:

What do you think our role is?

Dave Conley:

Not only in creating this problem, but also fixing it and

Dave Conley:

starting with foreign policy.

David Williams:

Yeah I agree.

David Williams:

I agree that we have history of overstepping in

David Williams:

countries we didn't belong.

David Williams:

And some of it to the benefit of those countries and some of it to the detriment.

David Williams:

I'm not dodging your question to say that, is from Seoul, Korea.

David Williams:

Her family migrated here when she was eight years old.

David Williams:

She didn't speak lick of English.

David Williams:

Her parents were, her father was a pharmacist, her mom was a school

David Williams:

teacher, and they got over here.

David Williams:

And those certifications those skill sets couldn't apply.

David Williams:

So they ended up doing different jobs and she lived a very life

David Williams:

for her first five or six years.

David Williams:

And her brother's now a Los Angeles County prosecutor, and she's a

David Williams:

optometrist and has been one for 20 plus years, 30 years very very

David Williams:

productive and contributor to society.

David Williams:

But we stuck our nose in South Korea in a good way.

David Williams:

We could, my father fought in South Korea.

David Williams:

I think in other places we've stuck our foot in, especially in the Middle East,

David Williams:

and we did like you said, stepping on the neck of some people and doing it in a

David Williams:

backhanded way that, should be ashamed of.

David Williams:

I agree.

David Williams:

If we put more resources into making some other countries better so

David Williams:

they didn't have to migrate here, maybe that's a good thing too.

David Williams:

I'm talking about.

David Williams:

Where we are immediately, the immediate problem, I'm not talking about five years,

David Williams:

six years, eight years down the road.

David Williams:

I'm talking about how do we fix it today.

David Williams:

And the best thing that I can agree with Steven on is let's put ai, let's

David Williams:

get fricking technology cranked up and

Jerremy Newsome:

So rather than so David, you're saying rather than a

Jerremy Newsome:

mass deportation, so let's say Hey, if you're here by, go through some

Jerremy Newsome:

channel of using technology just to speed up the entire process that you

Jerremy Newsome:

could do a week from now to say, who should stay here and who should not?

David Williams:

We're out there trying to use a guppy net to pick up, what

David Williams:

we should be casting a huge net for.

David Williams:

And the only way you can, we can't afford to cast the huge

David Williams:

net, so let's put E-Verify in, let's put AI in and let's separate

Jerremy Newsome:

What are we E-Verify?

Jerremy Newsome:

If they're illegal, what are wever verifying?

David Williams:

I'd make 'em well.

David Williams:

To Steven's Point that, we should be able to do a scan, but biometrics, but

David Williams:

the, now your question, does Mexico have a database the biometrics of these

David Williams:

people that we can cross reference?

David Williams:

That's, that would be my biggest concern, is how many of these people aren't

David Williams:

registered in their own country from a biometric standpoint, but I think

David Williams:

you have to it it's the only way we're gonna be able to solve it fast, quickly

David Williams:

is I think all the resources at ice.

David Williams:

Is trying to scoop up the ocean with a guppy net.

David Williams:

I think if you use at least E-Verify to identify the good ones,

David Williams:

The bad ones won't be standing in line to E-Verify,

Jerremy Newsome:

interesting.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

David Williams:

days, give 'em six months to E-Verify.

Jerremy Newsome:

So Steven what do you think wastes more taxpayers money?

Jerremy Newsome:

Would it be like miles of unused border walls?

Jerremy Newsome:

The 70 billion for the CBP?

Jerremy Newsome:

Our boy David just mentioned ice, that's 70 billion

Steven Orr:

let's break that down.

Steven Orr:

That's a lot to unpack and I think it's a great point.

Steven Orr:

There's been some good points there.

Steven Orr:

The first, I think I would say is when you look at the border wall, that was

Steven Orr:

the biggest waste of money period.

Steven Orr:

Because guys were climbing over the fences, or they're crawling under

Steven Orr:

or whatever they can get around it.

Steven Orr:

I, border wall was just nonsense.

Steven Orr:

Now speaking from a former Department of State employee and someone who believes

Steven Orr:

in diplomacy and sticking our nose in other places, absolutely we should.

Steven Orr:

We've stuck our nose in places that probably shouldn't have been, but as

Steven Orr:

my former employees would say, I would rather be over there making peace than

Steven Orr:

having them come over here and making war.

Steven Orr:

So in a lot of ways, there's a reason why we're over there is to make sure

Steven Orr:

that they have a much better life.

Steven Orr:

So China did the very smart thing.

Steven Orr:

What did they do?

Steven Orr:

They stuck their nose into all of Africa.

Steven Orr:

now control most of the continent of Africa through finance.

Steven Orr:

Ask, of the water now is run through African money or

Steven Orr:

through a Chinese war money.

Steven Orr:

That, that we started that process but did not finish it.

Steven Orr:

The second thing I'd say here now is that we also need to fund better the

Steven Orr:

State Department itself, diplomacy.

Steven Orr:

And we just laid off how many employees there again I believe

Steven Orr:

in, in, in peace more than war.

Steven Orr:

Nobody wins in war.

Steven Orr:

And when you have people in their own country that are not

Steven Orr:

happy, that's when war happens.

Steven Orr:

Just ask Somalians.

Steven Orr:

Just ask the Haitians.

Steven Orr:

Just ask the Iranians right now that in that border and gaza's a problem, right?

Steven Orr:

Because they hate each other's lives, right?

Steven Orr:

So when I look at the United States and how do we fix this problem,

Steven Orr:

fix it over there first, and not have them come here, Right?

Steven Orr:

If we help them have a better life in their own country, we

Steven Orr:

won't have an immigration issue.

Steven Orr:

They'll be like, why don't want to go to the United States?

Steven Orr:

I have a better life in Mexico.

Steven Orr:

I have a better life in Canada than I did in the United States.

Steven Orr:

Why do I want live in France, so I don't wanna go to the United

Steven Orr:

States and immigrate there 'cause I have a better life here.

Steven Orr:

That's what they want.

Steven Orr:

And they wanna live with their families and they love the way that they lived or

Steven Orr:

they wouldn't live in those areas, right?

Steven Orr:

Or that's where their business is.

Steven Orr:

That's where their families are.

Steven Orr:

They won't wanna move if they live in a much better situation.

Steven Orr:

So when those look, living in South Florida, in Key West, at some point we

Steven Orr:

had a wet foot dry foot policy, Which

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Steven Orr:

you made it over in a boat, whatever that submarine or that 30

Steven Orr:

stroke engine, whatever that thing was, aluminum foil put together from Cuba.

Steven Orr:

If they could make it here, hell yeah.

Steven Orr:

Let 'em be here because they've just braved sharks and everything else in

Steven Orr:

bad water and weather to a better life.

Steven Orr:

And majority of them didn't make it.

Steven Orr:

A lot of them didn't make it over here.

Steven Orr:

They, a lot of them died on the way over it.

Steven Orr:

Or they got stopped by a US Coast Guard and they didn't make it that

Steven Orr:

with foot drive po foot policy.

Steven Orr:

But if they're willing to get here, there's wrong with that.

Steven Orr:

I think that's exactly the weather we should be, if you look at.

Steven Orr:

Little Haiti now, and little Cuba and Miami.

Steven Orr:

They'll say the same thing.

Steven Orr:

You know what?

Steven Orr:

They left Cuba because of Castro.

Steven Orr:

It was a worst economy and a worse dictatorship.

Steven Orr:

So they came here.

Steven Orr:

If we make their lives better in those countries, they

Steven Orr:

will not want to come here.

Steven Orr:

So I'm okay with that.

Steven Orr:

You wanna say, what?

Steven Orr:

Where should we spend our money and where should we spend in the

Steven Orr:

State Department spend it in?

Steven Orr:

In U-S-A-I-D, which was what?

Steven Orr:

We're cutting.

Steven Orr:

It's the biggest cut right now.

Steven Orr:

The state department's budget to, according to the federal government,

Steven Orr:

the all of it is less than 1%.

Steven Orr:

Now, 1%.

Steven Orr:

If we really wanted to solve the problems, spend money in places that

Steven Orr:

makes diplomacy and makes their lives better, United Nations should have more

Steven Orr:

money than they have right now in order to make, and that won't be a US problem.

Steven Orr:

It'll be a world problem to helping solve those problems.

Steven Orr:

Then we don't have to worry about immigration issues.

Steven Orr:

Then we don't have to worry about biometrics and all that other stuff.

Steven Orr:

Make their lives better over there.

Steven Orr:

They won't wanna come here.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's fascinating.

Jerremy Newsome:

Love that take.

Jerremy Newsome:

Let's do one last question.

Jerremy Newsome:

And again, I will say I love both of your hearts for the

Jerremy Newsome:

individuals and for the people too.

Jerremy Newsome:

I mean, like, it, it just really shines through the discussion because ultimately

Jerremy Newsome:

that's what we're talking about.

Jerremy Newsome:

And we do realize that it's all complex.

Jerremy Newsome:

Every single person, every life, they all have a story.

Jerremy Newsome:

They all have families, they all have their trials, their tribulations,

Jerremy Newsome:

what they're trying to do, the dreams, the achievements, the jobs,

Jerremy Newsome:

the careers, their home, their kids.

Jerremy Newsome:

I mean, that's really what, it's the discussion.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's extremely complex.

Jerremy Newsome:

And we realize that we're not gonna solve the problem in a phone

Jerremy Newsome:

call and a webinar and a podcast.

Jerremy Newsome:

Dave and I also, we've had a few discussions where we go,

Jerremy Newsome:

wow, that's actually probably a solution for this problem.

Jerremy Newsome:

Or there's a real solution for this problem.

Jerremy Newsome:

There's a real solution.

Jerremy Newsome:

We came into immigration realizing there's probably not gonna

Jerremy Newsome:

be like a oh that's solved.

Jerremy Newsome:

But

Jerremy Newsome:

I would like to pose this question because I think it'd be interesting 'cause both

Jerremy Newsome:

of you're extremely great business owners.

Jerremy Newsome:

You're great entrepreneurs, very powerful men, very thought through gentlemen.

Jerremy Newsome:

Where do you both see private sector innovation, potentially

Jerremy Newsome:

solving what government could not in this specific situation?

Jerremy Newsome:

Let's go with Steven first.

Steven Orr:

Yeah, I think it starts with the private sector and not

Steven Orr:

in the government sector, because why and Dave have both said it,

Steven Orr:

nothing's changed since the nineties.

Steven Orr:

That's the first time the bills have, so this is not

Steven Orr:

gonna happen to the government.

Steven Orr:

We need to understand that even if we want laws change and we want the judicial

Steven Orr:

system to actually, it's gonna start with the US as business owners to set the

Steven Orr:

policy right, to be able to say, look.

Steven Orr:

We know that there's an immigration policy problem.

Steven Orr:

We know that there are people, there are bad hombres.

Steven Orr:

I'll say There are bad hombres here, right?

Steven Orr:

But.

Steven Orr:

If we take the general idea that everybody is just bad coming in this country that,

Steven Orr:

okay, throw the baby out with the bath water, then that's not gonna solve the

Steven Orr:

problem for those owners in the farms.

Steven Orr:

It's not gonna solve the problem for the Dr. Hortons of the world who

Steven Orr:

need people to build those homes.

Steven Orr:

It's not gonna solve the problem.

Steven Orr:

So I think it does start with us pressuring our member of Congress.

Steven Orr:

I think it does start with us saying, look, let's spend more money in diplomacy.

Steven Orr:

Let's spend more money of my hard earned money that I spend taxes on the day,

Steven Orr:

spend taxes on California and not waste it on fixing the salamanders problem.

Steven Orr:

But actually getting the deep heart problem.

Steven Orr:

All right.

Steven Orr:

If you're saying that the biggest problem is human trafficking, let's

Steven Orr:

put those guys to the test and send them out and put 'em the chopping block

Steven Orr:

as I've been saying, that needs to be pressure from the business owners.

Steven Orr:

That needs to come from pressure financially, right?

Steven Orr:

If that member of Congress isn't doing it as business owners, then

Steven Orr:

maybe we should start putting money to people that will do that.

Steven Orr:

Maybe we should start putting P pack money together that says, okay, this

Steven Orr:

organization is supporting my ideas about getting rid of the bad ombres.

Steven Orr:

This is the place I wanna spend money in order to make diplomacy better.

Steven Orr:

Because right now, all we care about, and this is I think why a lot of

Steven Orr:

people were attracted to MAGA in the first place, is they felt that the,

Steven Orr:

people ask me all the time about politics and why is it so divided?

Steven Orr:

And I said, look, lemme tell you something.

Steven Orr:

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were talking to the same people.

Steven Orr:

What?

Steven Orr:

Bernie Sanders on the far left, and Donald Trump's in the far right.

Steven Orr:

That's right, but he is talking to the same people because what

Steven Orr:

they're saying is you didn't get a fair shake in the United States.

Steven Orr:

You didn't get to live the American dream.

Steven Orr:

Okay?

Steven Orr:

So my path is this way, and my path is this way, but we're both down charting.

Steven Orr:

We're not the ones that are happy, so we want to change it.

Steven Orr:

That's why politics is so separated.

Steven Orr:

there are people don't really, that want to solve the problem, and the

Steven Orr:

business owners don't want problems because the more problems that are

Steven Orr:

solved and the less problems we have, those people spend more money.

Steven Orr:

And businesses grow and immigration comes in the right way.

Steven Orr:

So I think as business owners, we have an, obligation to set some of

Steven Orr:

those policy ideas to those people.

Steven Orr:

And I think Jerremy thanks.

Steven Orr:

And Dave, thanks for having me on the show because, this is really,

Steven Orr:

a lot of ways members of Congress actually will be seeing this.

Steven Orr:

People that actually do make decisions will be listening to us

Steven Orr:

at, on Dave's side, Dave's point and my points and our points together

Steven Orr:

that maybe we could come together.

Steven Orr:

If Dave and I can come together on this show here and talk about how to get the

Steven Orr:

things done, maybe they can do it too.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Fascinating.

Jerremy Newsome:

Love that.

Jerremy Newsome:

David Williams, what's your thoughts?

Jerremy Newsome:

Private sector?

Jerremy Newsome:

What should we be doing?

David Williams:

I think that, i've been consistent.

David Williams:

I think Steven's consistent in this thought too, we can use technology

David Williams:

to separate to refine that process.

David Williams:

I think we use private sector to refine it as well.

David Williams:

If you're a gainfully employed person, you've been employed with me for the

David Williams:

past, four or five years we should be able to vouch for these people to

David Williams:

say, Hey, look, here's an exception.

David Williams:

This is not somebody you wanna round up.

David Williams:

So I think that we can vouch for people, we can accredit people that are here.

David Williams:

But I do disagree that we're just rounding everybody up and throwing 'em out.

David Williams:

I've not seen that.

David Williams:

I've seen most of 'em are going through criminal background checks.

David Williams:

Most of 'em are being rounded up because they are criminals.

David Williams:

I think the focus on the security of the country has been on,

David Williams:

let's get the bad ones first.

David Williams:

Let's get the bad ones first.

David Williams:

But I think that we can use technology and I do think that we can use

David Williams:

the private sector to identify who that is at one point in time.

David Williams:

And I, forgive me guys, I'm somewhat blindsided by the topic when I

David Williams:

got the thing a couple hours ago.

David Williams:

But at one point in time, orange County was the 34th richest economy in the world.

David Williams:

Orange County alone, 90% of which was run by companies with less than 50 employees.

David Williams:

So we are the private sector.

David Williams:

Orange County is the 34.

David Williams:

Again, these statistics go back away.

David Williams:

They may have changed, but if you're the 34th richest economy and you're

David Williams:

employing less than 50 people it should be real quick and easy to be

David Williams:

able to say, Hey, look, I can verify, 25, 40%, 50%, 75% of my workforce to

David Williams:

say, look, they've been here, they've been here for x amount of time.

David Williams:

I can verify them.

David Williams:

Let's give them a pass.

David Williams:

Let's focus on the bad.

Jerremy Newsome:

Got it.

David Williams:

because we don't have the resources, we don't have the

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

David Williams:

to address all 13, 14 million people that came across

David Williams:

in that short period of time.

David Williams:

So how do we use the resources we have?

David Williams:

I think AI is one of 'em.

David Williams:

I think the private sector to vouch for others is another way to do it.

David Williams:

But we have to separate, we have to separate divide and conquer.

David Williams:

Because I agree, you can't throw the baby out with the bath water.

David Williams:

We don't have the resources for it.

David Williams:

We don't have unlimited resources.

David Williams:

Steven, I'm sorry I'll argue that point till the cows come home.

David Williams:

But we do have, we have to use the best of the resources that we have.

David Williams:

And I think the private sector and AI would be the best.

David Williams:

Two things we could implement immediately.

David Williams:

And I think you're right.

David Williams:

Congress.

David Williams:

make Congress get involved.

David Williams:

Make them stand up and do

Jerremy Newsome:

Hold 'em accountable.

David Williams:

And,

Jerremy Newsome:

I'll say this.

David Williams:

get started on term limits because I guarantee

David Williams:

around doing absolutely nothing and have been for 20 plus years

Jerremy Newsome:

Whole different conversation.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yes.

Jerremy Newsome:

And, but I'm a big proponent of term limits because you have it in

Jerremy Newsome:

literally everything else imaginable.

Jerremy Newsome:

So like every other field of all, even in military, they kick you

Jerremy Newsome:

out at a certain point, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

If you've been serving for they're like, bye.

Jerremy Newsome:

So yes, a hundred percent.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like we should have some level of adequacy there.

Jerremy Newsome:

But I will blend both of your statements.

Jerremy Newsome:

From my perspective, from my point of view, we have unlimited

Jerremy Newsome:

nothing, but we have a, we have an infinite amount of finite resources.

Jerremy Newsome:

So David what that would mean from the abundance standpoint, like the

Jerremy Newsome:

amount of oil that's on earth is like the grains of sand on a beach.

Jerremy Newsome:

Like it's so innumerable though.

Jerremy Newsome:

It is finite.

Jerremy Newsome:

'cause it's contained, it's extremely large.

Jerremy Newsome:

Just like money.

Steven Orr:

Yep.

Jerremy Newsome:

can say that money is also finite, but there is much of it

Jerremy Newsome:

that it feels and can act very infinite.

Jerremy Newsome:

So ultimately that is a blend of an abundance mindset.

Jerremy Newsome:

At the same time, a realization of, yeah, there's not an unlimited

Jerremy Newsome:

amount of anything on earth.

Jerremy Newsome:

'cause earth is a contained spherical, it's contained.

Jerremy Newsome:

So there's an infinite amount of finite resources.

Jerremy Newsome:

But to that statement and to that wrap up, here's, I would love to ask

Jerremy Newsome:

both of you, and again, thank you for bringing us both energy excitement, two

Jerremy Newsome:

counterintuitive points that have really allowed both myself and Dave to take

Jerremy Newsome:

extremely adequate notes about what we can and could do relatively quickly.

Jerremy Newsome:

Because again, to the point of.

Jerremy Newsome:

The innovation sector for the private sector.

Jerremy Newsome:

We have thousands and thousands of people listening to this podcast.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's a humongous business opportunity, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Being able to create the biometrics, being able to create the ai, being able

Jerremy Newsome:

to create the legal aspect that can move things along a lot faster and can

Jerremy Newsome:

read through the complexities, it can start solving some of those problems.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's a huge opportunity.

Jerremy Newsome:

So with that being stated David, Steven, do you have anything to

Jerremy Newsome:

share as a final with our listeners?

Jerremy Newsome:

And do you have anything that you would like to promote or discuss or provide?

Jerremy Newsome:

Have David Williams.

Jerremy Newsome:

You go first.

David Williams:

I'm frustrated from a standpoint of.

David Williams:

Having to just literally deal with the No Kings Day, walking right down the

David Williams:

street and being thrown in my face.

David Williams:

Which I found to be very hypocritical because that they're standing up for

David Williams:

migrants that Clinton, Obama we're much tougher on than what's, what,

David Williams:

than any other administration has been.

David Williams:

But you're gonna turn around and scream at Trump for, saying, Hey,

David Williams:

we gotta get under control after, the floodgates were just opened up.

David Williams:

So my frustration is in this current state of affairs, the media is propagating to

David Williams:

create this division within the country.

Jerremy Newsome:

Oh, we can all agree on that.

David Williams:

Seven, 75% of us are concerned about immigration.

David Williams:

What was the other statistic that you have?

David Williams:

And 55% of us are unhappy with it, I think is we're the same

David Williams:

55% that voted Trump into office saying, look, we want to change.

David Williams:

We wanna stop this.

David Williams:

It was probably the number, in my opinion, the number one issue on the ballot.

David Williams:

And I think that as long as the media the George Soros of the world

David Williams:

want to continue to pay, we had ads here in Southern California.

David Williams:

Go protest, we'll send you $3,000, literally in

David Williams:

Craigslist ads in nextdoor ads.

David Williams:

Which then fuels the propaganda.

David Williams:

That's not gonna fix anything.

David Williams:

All it's gonna do is continue to create divide.

David Williams:

That's what I saw in my neighborhood, walking down the street on No Kings Day.

David Williams:

and what was going on with the protesting in downtown la?

David Williams:

It was so contained in a small area, right around an ice

David Williams:

facility downstairs or downtown.

David Williams:

But if you looked at it across the national News, LA was on fire.

David Williams:

People are right.

David Williams:

Burning cars left and right.

David Williams:

It was within a three block, four block area.

David Williams:

It's.

Jerremy Newsome:

Small.

David Williams:

Yeah, it was extremely small, made to be a huge issue, which

David Williams:

then propagated the, no Kings Day, which then, you know, depending on what

David Williams:

part of the country you were in, we had probably, I don't know, 25, 30,000

David Williams:

people down on the beach in Santa Monica.

David Williams:

It went very peacefully.

David Williams:

There wasn't any kind of unrest or anything like that, and in Orange

David Williams:

County, they showed up and got ran off.

David Williams:

Depending on where you're at, it was a big deal or it wasn't a big deal.

David Williams:

But it's frustrating that somebody comes into office, voted in by, the largest,

David Williams:

popular vote in recent history with one of the best approval ratings in a 90 day, 120

David Williams:

day stretch, whatever it was that he had.

David Williams:

And then turn around and say, that we're shutting down the country.

David Williams:

No King's Day.

David Williams:

We don't want him dictating what's going on.

David Williams:

It was a very small minority of people that were really protesting in, in a loud

David Williams:

way that the media made to be a huge deal.

David Williams:

And that's what's causing the separation in this country.

David Williams:

I think there is a solution.

David Williams:

I think Stephen and I can agree that, least there's technology that

David Williams:

could help to resolve a lot of this.

David Williams:

And I think that was a brilliant idea of Stevens to put the AI in there.

David Williams:

I think the private sector can lend a huge hand towards that.

David Williams:

But I think, the media propaganda and the paid protesting and all that kind of

David Williams:

stuff is not helping our country at all.

David Williams:

It's just making us more divided.

Jerremy Newsome:

I agree on the media piece.

Jerremy Newsome:

100%. Steven.

Jerremy Newsome:

Big beat, my man.

Jerremy Newsome:

Do you have anything to promote, share, or anything as a final?

Steven Orr:

I think that you talk about the media in general and you

Steven Orr:

say, okay, the media's split, and there's a right wing side to it, and

Steven Orr:

there's the left wing side to it.

Steven Orr:

places like this, Jerremy and Dave that you guys, that you're putting

Steven Orr:

out there to giving a platform for those of us who are on both sides to

Steven Orr:

talk about things in a more better way of explaining our positions and

Steven Orr:

saying, Hey, there is a middle ground.

Steven Orr:

Let's find that middle ground.

Steven Orr:

Because right now all you're seeing is news organizations that are

Steven Orr:

either one side or the other because they want more clicks or they want

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Steven Orr:

Instead of bringing a platform that says, bring all the ideas

Steven Orr:

together and let's fix the problem faster right now, that's easier said

Steven Orr:

than done, and I understand that.

Steven Orr:

And, but.

Steven Orr:

When we are looking at the country, the next, people say,

Steven Orr:

okay, let's fix the problem now.

Steven Orr:

You're not gonna fix immigration tomorrow.

Steven Orr:

It's just not gonna happen.

Steven Orr:

but we have to start somewhere.

Steven Orr:

And this is a good place to start is talking, right?

Steven Orr:

That's the problem.

Steven Orr:

We're not talking to each other.

Steven Orr:

We're letting some people yell and scream on TV and say, this

Steven Orr:

is the way it's supposed to be.

Steven Orr:

And then we're having another person go, oh, down a city.

Steven Orr:

That doesn't accomplish anything, right?

Steven Orr:

We need to actually have it.

Steven Orr:

You talk about it from the perspective of Martin Luther King, he is.

Steven Orr:

It's all come together.

Steven Orr:

I look forward to a day when it's a better day.

Steven Orr:

And in order to do that, we have to.

Steven Orr:

And yes, there's gonna be some issues and there's gonna be some problems.

Steven Orr:

There's gonna be some bumps in the road.

Steven Orr:

But we can talk about technology, we can talk about budgets.

Steven Orr:

We could talk about how good and bad the country is or financially

Steven Orr:

was, is immigration good?

Steven Orr:

But when it comes down to it, immigration in and of itself is

Steven Orr:

actually a very personal thing.

Steven Orr:

It's either a personal thing.

Steven Orr:

If you're a business owner and you go, okay, this is hurting my business.

Steven Orr:

I don't have enough immigrants working for me, it's a personal thing.

Steven Orr:

If my sisters in United States and I'm from Mexico and I can't see my family

Steven Orr:

because I can't be with them, it's a personal thing on so many levels.

Steven Orr:

That's why it's a heated discussion, right?

Steven Orr:

If it wasn't an issue that didn't really resonate in the hearts of every person,

Steven Orr:

75% according to the last polls, then we wouldn't have this issue, right?

Steven Orr:

It wouldn't be a dividing issue amongst us.

Steven Orr:

So there we have an ability as the greatest country in the world.

Steven Orr:

Together.

Steven Orr:

So let's do that.

Steven Orr:

Let's come together on these kind of forums and let's have this chat and

Steven Orr:

let's put these ideas together, put it in the AI and say help us solve this.

Steven Orr:

And then get the biometrics down.

Steven Orr:

Get the technology side of this down and solve the problem.

Steven Orr:

It's, that's, it's really to me, and that's that easy.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Jerremy Newsome:

That easy and that, that challenging at the same time, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

I love it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Gentlemen, David, thank you man.

Jerremy Newsome:

Thank you for your favor and your excitement and your enthusiasm and

Jerremy Newsome:

your care for the world, your care for kids, your care for ending

Jerremy Newsome:

human trafficking, and just your general brightness for the world.

Jerremy Newsome:

And Steven, thank you as well for your kind reminder that this country was

Jerremy Newsome:

built on amazing principles, principles of growth, principles of optimism,

Jerremy Newsome:

principles of hope, and appreciate you both being a part of the podcast

Jerremy Newsome:

today, solving America's problems.

Jerremy Newsome:

You are both incredible men, and thank you for being my life.

David Williams:

Thank you.

David Williams:

Appreciate you.

Jerremy Newsome:

You guys are awesome.

Steven Orr:

Jerremy.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Jerremy Newsome:

See you.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah, we got our first fight.

Jerremy Newsome:

We needed it finally.

Dave Conley:

Loved it.

Jerremy Newsome:

I loved it too.

Jerremy Newsome:

Finally, dude, great people.

Jerremy Newsome:

It was good.

Dave Conley:

Let 'em roll.

Jerremy Newsome:

It was good.

Jerremy Newsome:

I got a lot out of that man.

Jerremy Newsome:

I learned a lot from that.

Dave Conley:

Yeah.

Dave Conley:

What did you learn?

Jerremy Newsome:

I did learn then, man, California is an absolute dumpster fire.

Jerremy Newsome:

I did learn that.

Jerremy Newsome:

Again, relearned it.

Dave Conley:

As a resident and a few

Jerremy Newsome:

yeah

Dave Conley:

a past and future

Jerremy Newsome:

dude, yes it is.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's a dumpster fire.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's our biggest area of reform in this country is Californian.

Jerremy Newsome:

Truly figuring that out.

Jerremy Newsome:

And you mentioned the word that just boggles my mind, deficit.

Jerremy Newsome:

America's in a deficit, California's in deficit.

Jerremy Newsome:

This is a massive problem, but the problem with American deficit is we

Jerremy Newsome:

can finance it through other countries.

Jerremy Newsome:

California can't.

Jerremy Newsome:

Right?

Jerremy Newsome:

You can't go out and get California debt on other countries.

Jerremy Newsome:

Maybe you can.

Jerremy Newsome:

I don't know if they're doing that.

Jerremy Newsome:

I doubt it.

Jerremy Newsome:

But anyway that's one of the things that kind of just reminded me of it.

Jerremy Newsome:

And ironically enough, David did make an interesting point, but at

Jerremy Newsome:

the same time stipulated that like he wanted a lot of human rights

Jerremy Newsome:

for immigrants, but is upset that California is giving those human rights.

Jerremy Newsome:

And so that's, that's a tricky one to kind of navigate because you also do

Jerremy Newsome:

want to take care of people, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

You wanna provide people assistance and care and, uh, it's a burden probably

Jerremy Newsome:

'cause of the amount of people and how quickly it happened and the fact that

Jerremy Newsome:

California has to hold that weight, but they're still doing it because it's the.

Jerremy Newsome:

Open air for, Hey, if you wanna come somewhere, come here

Jerremy Newsome:

and we'll take care of you.

Jerremy Newsome:

Although California has a really hard time doing that.

Jerremy Newsome:

This is better than the alternative, right?

Jerremy Newsome:

And the thing that I do agree with, and I think that was really kind of the

Jerremy Newsome:

underlying theme of this discussion, Dave, was the discussion of, Hey,

Jerremy Newsome:

let's, let's bring in technology to speed this up because that's available.

Jerremy Newsome:

It is possible.

Jerremy Newsome:

And I think a lot of our listeners probably feel the exact same way.

Jerremy Newsome:

Technology's not being used in our government right now to speed things up.

Jerremy Newsome:

Uh, it's still, uh, what was the word you used, use a great word to

Jerremy Newsome:

describe our governmental system.

Jerremy Newsome:

Medieval.

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's such a fantastic adjective because I would really agree

Dave Conley:

medieval.

Jerremy Newsome:

ultimately it feels like we're in the 1530s in a lot of the

Jerremy Newsome:

way we handle things and, I think that's really what I learned is that that's

Jerremy Newsome:

probably gonna be an advent that a lot of individuals listening could find

Jerremy Newsome:

solutions for, could find creations for, could find opportunities for, to really

Jerremy Newsome:

start integrating that relatively quickly.

Jerremy Newsome:

What'd you learn, Dave Conley?

Dave Conley:

I think what gets a couple of things, one of them is

Dave Conley:

that I appreciate how the current administration is burning down the

Dave Conley:

bridges and setting things on fire and making this such a front and center.

Dave Conley:

I disagree with what they are doing.

Dave Conley:

I find it it's inhumane and it's weird and it's haphazard and it's expensive.

Dave Conley:

I mean the billions of dollars that they're pouring into this and.

Dave Conley:

about taxes because it's something that we interact with on a fairly basis.

Dave Conley:

We'll complain about the DMV because, every now and then we

Dave Conley:

have to go and get a license.

Dave Conley:

We'll complain about some aspect of the government because it touches us.

Dave Conley:

And I think most things are ethereal.

Dave Conley:

We'll talk about safety and we'll talk about foreign aid.

Dave Conley:

We'll talk about giant military, industrial complex.

Dave Conley:

But these are, I, like it's not something that we can put our

Dave Conley:

fingers on because it's out there.

Dave Conley:

is.

Dave Conley:

like really activated with a lot of people.

Dave Conley:

And I like that.

Dave Conley:

Even though it's negative, it's touching a lot of people.

Dave Conley:

And until you start touching a lot of people, then you're not

Dave Conley:

gonna see legislative change.

Dave Conley:

And we've said that over and over again, is that the legislature has just abdicated

Dave Conley:

everything and left it to one dude.

Dave Conley:

And the current dude who has his hand on the wheel is all over the map, right?

Dave Conley:

It's everywhere.

Dave Conley:

It's south African white people can come in, but let's go invade Greenland.

Dave Conley:

I don't know.

Dave Conley:

It's

Jerremy Newsome:

Yeah.

Dave Conley:

talk.

Dave Conley:

The second thing I learned was this isn't an overnight, other than let's

Dave Conley:

add some technology and let's drag the government into at least the 20th

Dave Conley:

century, if not the 21st century.

Dave Conley:

The longer term thing is what you come back to over and over again.

Dave Conley:

It's about education.

Dave Conley:

And I think it's until we, teach business leaders what

Dave Conley:

it means to, to hire and hire.

Dave Conley:

And if you are hiring day laborers and if you're hiring undocumented, how do you

Dave Conley:

get those people into the system properly?

Dave Conley:

How do you get them onto Pathways for success?

Dave Conley:

How do other companies spot people who aren't playing by the rules?

Dave Conley:

Because if one company is playing by the rules and another company isn't playing by

Dave Conley:

the rules, who's at a disadvantage there?

Dave Conley:

It's the one that's playing by the rules.

Dave Conley:

How do we teach people about the economics of this?

Dave Conley:

Like if we don't even understand our own food supply and how that works and

Dave Conley:

all of the different people who have to touch your food and where those

Dave Conley:

people come from, then it becomes this oh, I just go to the grocery

Dave Conley:

store and there's food there, and then one day it's more expensive.

Dave Conley:

You're gonna be like, why?

Dave Conley:

It's more expensive because suddenly we started making sure that people

Dave Conley:

weren't being held in slave labor, so I think there's a lot of education in

Dave Conley:

order to make this real for people.

Dave Conley:

I think it's okay, let's bring ESL, English is a second language.

Dave Conley:

Let's make sure that people are getting

Jerremy Newsome:

Yep.

Dave Conley:

Make sure that businesses are like on board with this.

Dave Conley:

Make sure our schools are like, okay, what does immigration actually mean?

Dave Conley:

How does it work in the United States?

Dave Conley:

How broken is this?

Dave Conley:

What's the history of

Jerremy Newsome:

It's something that never is talked about in school.

Jerremy Newsome:

That's an, this is not a discussion.

Dave Conley:

For a nation of immigrants, we don't know anything about it.

Jerremy Newsome:

correct.

Jerremy Newsome:

It's mind blowing.

Jerremy Newsome:

Mind blowing.

Dave Conley:

I think the short term, I think we got it.

Dave Conley:

There's a lot of technology and we gotta find, set the thing on fire

Dave Conley:

because it's gonna drive change.

Dave Conley:

People are gonna be like, oh my God.

Dave Conley:

And then longer term, I think it's education and like bringing

Dave Conley:

everybody on board with this.

Dave Conley:

That's what I learned.

Jerremy Newsome:

Fascinating.

Jerremy Newsome:

I love it.

Jerremy Newsome:

Thank you so much for having another wonderful episode.

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Solving America's Problems
Solving America’s Problems isn’t just a podcast—it’s a journey. Co-host Jerremy Newsome, a successful entrepreneur and educator, is pursuing his lifelong dream of running for president. Along the way, he and co-host Dave Conley bring together experts, advocates, and everyday Americans to explore the real, actionable solutions our country needs.

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